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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-02-15

---Logopened Wed Feb 15 00:00:45 2017
00:01<Ikaros>I know I am.
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00:05<mmustac>servers down
00:05*Ikaros feels no love and retreats back to his corner of IRC
00:06*arlen hugs Ikaros
00:07<Ikaros>Well I suppose one's good after a 12-hour workday
00:07<millisa>i see pings to your system, kongrenet
00:07<arlen>Ikaros: will you be my valentine?
00:07<Ikaros>Ok now I'm concerned.
00:07<arlen>:(
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00:38<SVK>Helllo?
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00:39<millisa>Greetings
00:40<Cromulent>hi
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00:40<Cromulent>bye
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00:42<SVK>Can i get free credits to startup with linode?
00:42<Cromulent>no but there is a 7 day money back deal if you are not happy
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00:42<millisa>Though if you read any of the docs (https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started is a good start) there might be a promo code up at the top...
00:43<Cromulent>oh good call - I didn't know they had promo codes in the docs
00:43*Cromulent remembers that for the future
00:43<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Direct Dokku support big must to compete with DO <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14560&p=72748#p72748>
00:45<SVK>Can i get floating IP's like Digital Ocean?
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00:47<millisa>They mention using them in the https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/introduction-to-high-availability doc. I'm assuming you just need to drop them a ticket and use it as part of the justification
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00:48<SVK>Thanks! The promo code was there
00:48<millisa>(found another reference to floating ip's that does say just to contact support: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/host-a-website-with-high-availability )
00:50<millisa>If you just need an IP that you can bounce around to nodes manually - there is a 'swap ip' feature that you can do from the management UI yourself
00:51<SVK>Got it :)
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00:56<grawity>...the valentine's day upgrade for linodes is a bigger disk. you did that on purpose, didn't you.
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01:00<Afsal>hi
01:00<millisa>greetings
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01:01<Afsal>hi , do you have any dedicated server ?
01:01<millisa>They are all vps style; you'd have root access to do what you want with it
01:01<nate>Linode is a VPS provider, VPS's are pseudoly "Dedicated" in that you get an instance all to yourself and 'root' access to it
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01:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to use new linode manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14561&p=72749#p72749>
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01:23<linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • love linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14562&p=72750#p72750>
01:25<grawity>in some countries they call those "virtual dedicated servers"
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01:25<millisa>but. are they private?
01:26<arlen>dedicated privately
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01:53<linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • love linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14562&p=72751#p72751>
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02:06<Xpell>Hello
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02:19<Waqar>Hello
02:19<Cromulent>hi
02:20<Waqar>My friend told me that linode give 20$ for new customers .. Can you tell me how can I get my 20$ ..
02:21<Cromulent>there is a $10 credit on this page at the top https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
02:24<Waqar>Okay thanks
02:25<Waqar>Okay order successful .. Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
02:25<Waqar>When I receive my account info
02:26<Peng>Soon.
02:26<Waqar>Okay
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02:26<Peng>We can't give a precise number. Watch your email inbox. :)
02:26<Peng>fuck
02:27<Peng>v_v
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02:28<Zimsky>Peng, you may as well just go retire to the Burmese jungle now
02:28<Peng>;_;
02:28<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
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02:34<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Disaster Recovery Plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9815&p=72752#p72752>
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03:38<ankush>any one there
03:38<arlen>yup
03:38<arlen>are you here?
03:38<ankush>i want to close the linode account
03:39<ankush>so can you guide me that
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03:39<ankush>there is option to cancel this account
03:39<ankush>should i do that
03:39<arlen>yes
03:39<ankush>so it will stop also the billing process it will include billing till date
03:40<ankush>is that so
03:40<arlen>correct
03:40<ankush>ok thanks
03:40<arlen>welcome
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03:53<ankush>hello
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03:54<ankush>sir i have deposit 20 usd in linode account
03:54<ankush>i have used it 10 days
03:54<ankush>and billing is 5 usd
03:54<ankush>not now 15 usd will be returned to my account or not
03:54<ankush>???
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03:55<sandeep>I think you need to open a ticket for that
03:55<ankush>where i can open a ticket
03:55<ankush>now
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03:56<ankush>because i have canceled the account
03:58<ankush>sure it will refund the amount??
03:58<nate>you need to talk to support at that email about it
03:59<ankush>yes i will do i am asking after taking they will refund me
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04:00<sandeep>yup
04:00<ankush>ok
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05:14<bylzz>Shrinking images of type raw is not supported.
05:14<bylzz>oh bummer
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05:25<JamesTK>bylzz: making t hem bigger is ok!
05:26<JamesTK>bylzz: they're using lvm as the backing store... it's potentially quite destructive to shrink lvm lv's
05:26<JamesTK>especially when they have a partition table ;)
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05:39<bylzz>ah right :)
05:39<bylzz>But I dont want to make it bigger :)
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05:58<adeel>how much does Linode Managed addon costs ?
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06:01<arlen>adeel: $100 per linode
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06:05<mac>hey all. QQ does anyone know is there a limit of records per domain on DNS service?
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06:07<Peng>I don't know of one.
06:08<Peng>If there is a technical limit, i'm sure it's very high.
06:09<arlen>I think cloudflare has a limit of 3500 no idea if they have that limit for the vanity dns service too
06:09<Peng>No way.
06:10<Peng>A zone like linode.com has thousands of records.
06:10<arlen>https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200169116-How-many-zone-file-records-can-I-have-per-domain-
06:10<Peng>And the Virtual DNS thing is more of a caching reverse proxy, total number of records isn't really an issue, they can always expire them.
06:10<Peng>Plus no doubt Linode is paying them huge amounts of money
06:10<arlen>yeah
06:14<mac>wait, so linode DNS is Cloudflare?
06:15<trippeh>yes, they needed to offload all the ddosing
06:15<arlen>they use cloudflares vanity service
06:15<mac>oh, didnt know that, but this is a bonus :)
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06:27<Peng>https://www.cloudflare.com/dns/virtual-dns/ probably
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07:13<genocid>THIS NETWORK IS GAY PLEASE MOVE TO IRC.VOLATILE.CH FOR YOUR FUTURE CHATS!
07:13<nigretod>THIS NETWORK IS GAY PLEASE MOVE TO IRC.VOLATILE.CH FOR YOUR FUTURE CHATS!
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07:13<lfybbk>THIS NETWORK IS GAY PLEASE MOVE TO IRC.VOLATILE.CH FOR YOUR FUTURE CHATS!
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07:13<bylzz>well I have to move now since this network is gay
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07:25<linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • Thank you $5/month 1GB Linode benchmarks <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14563&p=72753#p72753>
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07:39<leopold>Hi, I am researching for a Start up. Could linode be used for a business model such as Wordpress.com ? Meaning Implementing SSL / TLS certs and IP-adresses for a growing number of domains?
07:39<DrJ>yes
07:39<ponas>yes
07:40<DrJ>you talking about using SNI?
07:40<ponas>one IP address can be used with multiple domains and associated certificates, using several IPs for that is a waste of address space
07:40<leopold>Thanks and yes
07:41<DrJ>I have about 10 sites on one IP leopold
07:41<DrJ>all with their own SSL cert (through lets encrypt)
07:41<DrJ>this really isn't specific to linode though... you could do this on any linux server
07:41<leopold>Ok - currently everything has been hosted at 1&1 root and cloud servers. There you'll need an IP for each cert
07:42<ponas>wow
07:42<DrJ>is that just basic web hosting?
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07:42<leopold>using single only and the redirecting via A-Record onto the server
07:42<DrJ>https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI
07:43<leopold>using single domains only
07:43<arlen>what
07:43<leopold>arlen?
07:43<DrJ>leopold, if you have root access to your server at 1&1 then you should be able to do SNI
07:44<DrJ>if its just a web hosting account that you have then you are limited to the abilities they give you
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07:44<DrJ>either way
07:44<leopold>DRJ - I just been talking to the support whole morning
07:44<DrJ>I'd drop 1&1 in a heart beat regardless
07:44<DrJ>yea 1&1 support probably doesn't know crap
07:44<DrJ>just being honest
07:45<leopold>Root access but apparently restricted wiht IP usage
07:45<leopold>linode sounds great so far
07:45<DrJ>10-1 they don't know SNI exists
07:45<leopold>:D
07:45<leopold>how's with upgrading plans?
07:45<leopold>seamless?
07:46<DrJ>very easy to upgrade
07:46<ponas>short downtime while storage is moved to the new host
07:46<leopold>nice
07:46<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
07:46<leopold>guess we just need to play with it right
07:47<leopold>where do you issue the certs? directly from geotrust or does linode offer reseller packages?
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07:48<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/install-lets-encrypt-to-create-ssl-certificates
07:48<DrJ>for most purposes a lets encrypt cert is more than enough
07:49<DrJ>and it's free as in Bacon
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07:49<ponas>DrJ: where can I get free bacon
07:49<leopold>Is it suitable for small business websites?
07:50<DrJ>ponas: :)
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07:50<DrJ>leopold, yes
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07:50<acuzio>Question: I resized my linode and the dhcpcd service while active says - the interface is unreachable, expiring it.
07:50<JamesTK>So if I reboot
07:50<JamesTK>i get 1bit out?
07:50<JamesTK>*1gbit
07:50<JamesTK>*1gbitch
07:50<arlen>yup
07:50<DrJ>correctomendo
07:50<JamesTK>woo
07:50<JamesTK>woo
07:50<leopold>DrJ - you've been a great help. Thanks!
07:51<DrJ>I always am leopold
07:51<DrJ>you're welcome
07:51<JamesTK>im rebooting
07:51<JamesTK>brb
07:51<arlen>hurry back
07:51<DrJ>JamesTK, I got my reboot in yesturday
07:51<DrJ>thanks to a power outage in atlanta
07:51<DrJ>well, for my main server at least
07:52<leopold>how many downtimes do experience p.a.`?
07:52<JamesTK>brb
07:52<DrJ>leopold: very few
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07:52<DrJ>of course, with any provider there will be some
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07:52<acuzio>Here is the log for the dhcpcd service : http://pastebin.com/F1c3LwzQ
07:52<arlen>think I only had an hour of downtime last year ymmv
07:52<DrJ>if you need 100% uptime then you need to work out a plan for that
07:53<acuzio>Any ideas on what else i can do - currently i cant ping anything outside from my linode ?
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07:53<JamesTIsDead>So dead
07:53<arlen>rip
07:53<DrJ>leopold, I've been with Linode since 2010... wouldn't still be here if they had uptime issues
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07:54<leopold>guess so DrJ. Seems like a lifesaver. Thanks guys and good luck JamesTIsDead!
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08:04<JamesTK>I'm back
08:04<JamesTK>Pretty painless, extending my volumes now
08:05<arlen>•ᴗ•
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08:14<ahm110>Hi guys
08:14<ahm110>I need some help with SSL
08:14<arlen>hi
08:14<arlen>!ask
08:14<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
08:14<ahm110>I have installed it and the server is listening to port 443
08:15<ahm110>However, my site doesn't load with HTTPS
08:15<ahm110>Apparently someone told me the firewall is blocking it
08:15<arlen>did you allow the port in your firewall?
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08:15<ahm110>How do I do that?
08:16<ahm110>Im using Ubuntu server
08:16<ahm110>Is it this command: sudo ufw allow 443/tcp
08:17<arlen>if you're using ufw probably
08:17<ahm110>HAHA thanks. That was it!
08:18<ahm110>Took me two hours to figure out where the issue is :/
08:18<arlen>:)
08:18<ahm110>Thank you!
08:18<arlen>np
08:26<DrJ>surprised linode I haven't like hit a limit on new servers or something after creating 4 in a few hours
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08:35<DrJ>hours away from having all my digital ocean servers shutdown
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08:35<DrJ>basically just giving DNS time to clear out of caches
08:36<DrJ>been waiting/wanting to do this for YEARS
08:36<DrJ>lovin' the $5 plan
08:37<@jalter>:D
08:37<arlen>yeah it's pretty awesome. might split a $10 server up
08:38<ponas>the smaller plans seems to give more storage per buck
08:38<ponas>kinda unfortunate
08:38<DrJ>yea
08:39<DrJ>40GB if you do 2 $5... only 30 if you do 1 $10
08:39<ponas>and only 96 for $40 :<
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08:41<DrJ>I could see myself firing up a $5 linode at some point just for the storage
08:41<cantdo5dollarpl>Just came on too say I remember back in the day when Linode said a $5 plan would never be sustainable
08:41<DrJ>put it in the same datacenter and mount a drive remotely to it on my main server
08:42<DrJ>but then again, the upcoming block storage might make that unpractical
08:42<DrJ>cantdo5dollarpl, yea
08:42<DrJ>there were people (not neccessarily linode staff) in here that said many times that $5 would never happen
08:44<Cromulent>what the... since when has there been a $5 plan? Time to move my final DO server it seems
08:45<DrJ>yesturday
08:45<Cromulent>wow nice
08:45<DrJ>https://blog.linode.com
08:45<DrJ>that's what I'm doing Cromulent
08:45<Cromulent>although it does mean moving to Linode DNS which has the annoying 15 minute refresh time
08:45<DrJ>moving my 4 $5 servers from digitial ocean to linode
08:46<DrJ>yea, would be nice if they updated instantly
08:46<DrJ>but I can live with it
08:46<cantdo5dollarpl>Good call getting out of DO gives me uncomfortable vibes and i dont even want to explain that haha...
08:47<cantdo5dollarpl>I have a question due to the very nature of hourly billing vps nodes how has Tokyo 1 never been available in years?
08:47<cantdo5dollarpl>(well feels like years)
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08:48<arlen>it's full
08:48<arlen>and no space available to expand it
08:48<arlen>so they created tokyo2 at a different data center
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08:49<cantdo5dollarpl>Surely people would of cancelled ? will Tokyo 1 ever open for business again...
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08:50<arlen>no idea
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08:51<DrJ>cantdo5dollarpl, I don't believe you will ever be able to add a new linode there
08:51<DrJ>why does it matter though?
08:51<DrJ>just use tokyo 2
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08:52<cantdo5dollarpl>I don't want to have to put my tinfoil hat on again... just find it very strange...
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08:52<DrJ>what's strange?
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08:53<arlen>perhaps it's not available because they'd like people to eventually switch from xen
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09:04<goose>so uh.. anyone know why my Linode rebooted itself yesterday?
09:04<arlen>is it in Atlanta ?
09:04<goose>Yes
09:05<arlen>power outage
09:05<goose>Networking didn't come back up correctly either
09:05<goose>Had to do a restart just now to get all my additional v6 addresses to come up
09:05<arlen>https://status.linode.com/incidents/zz6xpzkccz4q
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09:06<goose>Thanks
09:06<arlen>np
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09:38<Kite>Hello, I would like to know what is and how it works or affects our operations the "Network Transfer Pool". Thanks.
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09:48<arlen>Kite: transfer pool is the amount of data you can send to the internet without any overages
09:51<Kite>Arlen, why it is half of the transfer of my linode? which one we have to take in count, transfer pool or individual transfer limit?
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09:52<Peng>Kite: Did you sign up today?
09:52<Kite>Yes, yesterday. We are testing the service.
09:52<arlen>what does it list for transfer limit and transfer pool?
09:52<Peng>Kite: You get a certain amount of transfer per month. Since you created the node in the middle of this month, for this month it gets about half the transfer.
09:52<arlen>^
09:52<Kite>We have to choose one VPS provider, we are looking at Linode or Digital Ocean.
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09:53<arlen>for the rest of this month you have available what's listed. starting march 1st and every month after you'll have the full pool available
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09:54<Kite>Thank you, that clarify a lot! The service at Linode look very strong but the admin panel is a mess.
09:54<arlen>they're working on a new one
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09:55<DrJ>I did it!
09:55<DrJ>I no longer have a digital ocean account as of 17 seconds ago
09:55<arlen>yay
09:55<csnxs>woo!
09:55<DrJ>long overdue... but glad the day has come
09:55<arlen>!point DrJ
09:55<linbot>arlen: Point given to DrJ. (1)
09:55<DrJ>now to remove their channel from my IRC autojoin list
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09:56<Kite>Since they are making a new admin panel, do you know if they are going to add the service to buy more storage?
09:56<arlen>yes they are
09:56<DrJ>Kite: block storage is coming
09:56<DrJ>https://blog.linode.com <--recent blog update is about as much as we know
09:56<Kite>Wow, thanks!
09:56<DrJ>it's mentioned near/at the end
09:57<trippeh>Kite: but but but I like the current admin panel :(
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09:58<DrJ>me too
09:58<DrJ>I'm actually nervous about that trippeh
09:58<trippeh>it can be a little uh, technical I guess
09:58<DrJ>one of the perks of linode is they currently have a ******* kick *** control panel
09:58<trippeh>but compared to AWS.. hehehe
09:58<DrJ>I'm worried they'll screw it up
09:58<jfred>You can actually check out the new Manager in the alpha environment now: https://engineering.linode.com/2016/05/26/Getting-started-with-the-new-manager.html
09:59<jfred>it's open source :)
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09:59<DrJ>anyone just have screenshots jfred?
09:59<DrJ>honestly, I don't see a single need for a new control panel design
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10:00<trippeh>man, the new base egress limit really made a yuge diff to backend stuffs
10:00<arlen>yeah I like the current one
10:00<cruxeternus>But the new one will be REACTIVE/RESPONSIVE/ADAPTIVE, etc.
10:00<trippeh>was about to open ticket asking for it to be lifted if possible
10:00<Kite>I mean, I don't care about how it looks but I like to have all the importan information there, like this weird thing of Transfer Pool (that was new for me).
10:00<DrJ>I should start a dont-change.org site and make the first petition be for linode to not change their control panel
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10:00<cruxeternus>DrJ: haha
10:01<cruxeternus>!whois dont-change.org
10:01<DrJ>haha, actually available
10:01<cruxeternus>Available!
10:01<@jfred>DrJ: Don't know if we have any official screenshots, but here's one from my alpha account: http://imgur.com/a/ItWRd
10:01<cruxeternus>Someone _does_ have dontchange.org though.
10:02<DrJ>cruxeternus :)
10:02<DrJ>jfred: doesn't look bad... but I'm still in love with the current one
10:03<Kite>:D
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10:38<Zimsky>do you even lift
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10:39<ArcanePhoenix>Anyone have experience with postfix and amavis-new? Having some issues with integration. The messages are passing to dovecot but the X-headers are nonexistent but I do see a received line for amavis-new so I am a little confused. I have set sa_tag_level_deflt to -999 so I should be seeing something. Here is the mail log, postfix configs: http://paste2.org/1vGkdI9c
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10:39<Zimsky>apt-get install toast
10:40<ArcanePhoenix>TOAST=bread > toaster
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10:40<Zimsky>no
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10:59<jiggawattz>w0000000000000
10:59<jiggawattz>Linode $5
10:59<jiggawattz>just downgraded my Linode $10
10:59<jiggawattz>very very happy
11:00<DrJ>:)
11:00<DrJ>I think we are all very happy right now
11:01<DrJ>I'm sure Linode loses some money by people downgrading when they offer a cheaper plan... but I'm also guessing that Linode is making that up and more in people moving in mass from other providers like DO
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11:02<DrJ>like me... who migrated 4 $5's from DO
11:02<DrJ>gonna get $240 more from me every year thanks to their new $5 plan
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11:03<millisa>ArcanePhoenix: When you unzip that i/spam-isS5CyI_Vj8s.gz in your quarantine and look at it, it doesn't have the x-spam headers added?
11:07<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, the headers are present in the gzipped message. The headers are NOT present in the delivered copy
11:07<jiggawattz>DrJ: The $5 market is huge
11:07<jiggawattz>they gained customers
11:07<jiggawattz>no question
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11:07<millisa>something up with your amavisd conf then. sa_tag_level_deflt/sa_tag2_level_deflt/sa_kill_level_deflt would be the first place i look.
11:08<DrJ>jiggawattz, yea... which is why I always wondered why linode was so slow to finally grab on to that market
11:08<jiggawattz>well I think they want to focus on enterprise
11:08<jiggawattz>it's sometimes good to stay away from the mass market
11:08<millisa>sa_tag_level is when it'll add the headers (doesnt mean spam/ham), sa_tag2 is what level the headers will say 'spam', sa_kill is the one that determines if it's going ot trigger your spam settings (looks like 'quarantine')
11:09<jiggawattz>but I think $5 plan opened up a lot of revenue
11:09<jiggawattz>'tis all good
11:09<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, I was thinking more about postfix since amavis is obviously processing the message and tagging it but THAT version of the message is not being passed back to postfix for delivery to dovecot. Almost like just the original message is
11:10<millisa>I only see the one spam message in that header you pasted. what does a non-spam message look like in the mail log?
11:11<ArcanePhoenix>Yeah I only copied the log for a single spam message since that is what I am most concerned about. Standby, I will send a normal email.
11:13<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, http://paste2.org/fJZ1J8bZ
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11:20<millisa>this is the same server without changing the log levels? I don't see the SPAM-TAG line in that last paste
11:20<Zimsky>that log had a child
11:23<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, 7-13 and 19-21?
11:23<ArcanePhoenix>Passed CLEAN
11:25<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, or are you talking about the header_edits line?
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11:26<millisa>in amavis turn you log level up to 3 - there should be a spam-tag line you can get that tells you all those same tests in the 'header_edits', for every message.
11:27<millisa>maybe your mail you are testing is scoring a -1000 somehow, so it's actually below your tag level.
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11:28<ArcanePhoenix>Put it to log level 3 (was 2) and the log is no different and according to the one line, it's -1.19 score which is still above -999
11:28<ArcanePhoenix>so it should be showing
11:28<millisa>it shows a tag=-999 still with that score?
11:30<ArcanePhoenix>No tags in the delivered message. In the log it shows HITS=-1.19
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11:31<millisa>that log line with -1.19 - it still doesn't show the tag and tag2 levels it used?
11:31<millisa>or which tests got it to -1.19?
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11:32<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, doesn't appear to
11:33<millisa>(what I'm trying to determine is if the user you are testing with actually is using the default tag levels or not - there should be a log level that will let you see that value for both spam and ham in the log)
11:33<millisa>paste your amavisd.conf?
11:34<ArcanePhoenix>Sec, pasting the log for you. and the amavisd configs are split so I will paste them all
11:35<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, http://paste2.org/EW6XJjan - log
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11:38<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, configs: http://paste2.org/Z42bnOGv
11:41<millisa>If you change the @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain" ); line to @local_domains_acl = ( "." ); and reload amavis do you get the spam header in your ham?
11:41<ArcanePhoenix>That config option is overridden in 50-user to localhost but I will try .
11:42<millisa>comment out that override
11:42<millisa>pretty sure amavis only inserts the x-spam to mails it think are your local addresses
11:43<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, wow... been spending 2 days on this...
11:43<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, that worked.
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11:44<millisa>ok, well, you can fiddle with that setting to just have your domains if you want. but I honestly don't know of anything it might hurt to just let amavis think you own it all... there's probably a reason.
11:44<millisa>(maybe if you had amavis open to the outside so that any server could talk to it, maybe it'd matter then?)
11:45<ArcanePhoenix>Well, I am using virtual domains so it would be a pain to constantly update that var with new hosted domains unless it can do an SQL lookup
11:45<millisa>definitely look into doing your policy via sql
11:45<millisa>it'll make it easier when you get someone who is a special snowflake that wants to let all spam into their box
11:45<ArcanePhoenix>I saw a reference somewhere about integrating SQL, especially with the quarantine specifically.
11:46<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • separate Web server & DB server and connect via private IP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14564&p=72755#p72755> || General Discussion • Running scripts at startup: What's the best way? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14559&p=72754#p72754>
11:46<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, yes - I wanted to have that option to turn it off. Definitely not allowing the virus scanner to be turned off. Heh
11:46<millisa>look for @lookup_sql_dsn and $sql_select_policy - that'll let you set things like the tag/tag2/kill leveles on a per user or domain basis
11:46<ArcanePhoenix>sweetness. Definitely looking into that
11:47<millisa>(you could even h ave folks with a custom quarantine - have their mail go to to spam@ address instead of just going to the standard D_DISCARD etc)
11:47<ArcanePhoenix>I currently have it set to D_PASS and dovecot sieve is putting it in Junk
11:47<ArcanePhoenix>With no subject modification
11:48<millisa>that part probably won't matter to you then
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11:48<ArcanePhoenix>I think for now just using the junk folder will be acceptable. Something to think about in the future though.
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11:50<ArcanePhoenix>millisa, can I do white/blacklists via SQL as well?
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11:51<millisa>I don't use it, but I think $sql_select_white_black_list might be what you are looking for?
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11:52<ArcanePhoenix>Perfect. I will search around - was just wondering if it was possible. Thanks for the help!
11:52<millisa>Sure thing
11:56<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:57<nasell>anyone here impacted by the Atlanta outage last night?
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11:58<millisa>lots of folks
11:58<nasell>Anyone having residual issues still from the outage?
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11:59<nasell>I'm unable to connect to any service on any port outside of Lish, network config seems off between my linode and the main server
11:59<millisa>if you are, it's probably ticket time. most people were backup within that hour. some folks had some network issues after that, but it appeared to mostly be host settings
11:59<nasell>yeah, i've been with an open ticket for 3 hours...
11:59<millisa>is it a centos guest? seemed most of them were yesterday
11:59<nasell>yes, cent
11:59<millisa>in lish, can you ping your gateway?
12:00<relidy>There's some discussion from last night starting about here: http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2017/02/14#20:10
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12:00<nasell>yep, appears to ping the gateway fine
12:01<nasell>aha! this is why I came here... thanks for that link
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12:07<jitender>are you provide vps server
12:07<millisa>linode is indeed a vps provider
12:08<jitender>i need vps
12:09<millisa>Well then https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
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12:25<piratmkd>hi
12:27<piratmkd>i just bought a server and i need some help. can someone help me?
12:27<@mcintosh>!ask
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12:38<Lucretia>is it possible to automate linode configure?
12:39<Eugene>"Shrinking images of type raw is not supported. " since when
12:39<Lucretia>I'd like to automate dkim
12:39<Lucretia>and dns update
12:41<@mcintosh>Lucretia: you can automate that stuff using the API https://www.linode.com/api/dns
12:42<Lucretia>yes, but I'm wanting to know how to use linode configure in my stackscript
12:42<Eman>do i have to do the pending upgrade and then downgrade to get on the $5 plan?
12:43<@mcintosh>Eman: yes
12:43<Eman>ok
12:46<Eugene>If you're crazy(like me!) then you have to Resize up to a 4GB, dd to a new Raw Image, delete the original one, and then downsize to a 1GB :-(
12:48<Eugene>OTOH, dd-ing on Linode SSDs is ~250MB/s
12:49<Eman>thankfully ive only used 5.7gigs of disk
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13:04<dwfreed>Eugene: since always
13:04<Eugene>TIL
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13:05<cruxeternus>Shrinking is based on copying the filesystem, I believe. So, it can't work at the raw level.
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13:12<matan>hey
13:12<arlen>hi
13:12<matan>can anyone please help me with something?
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13:12<arlen>!ask
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13:13<matan>i need to delete my creditcard from the acoount
13:13<matan>but i dont wanna update it
13:13<matan>who can i do it
13:13<matan>who can i do it?
13:13<arlen>need a valid credit or debit card on the account
13:14<matan>o
13:16<matan>I can download the server to my local comp?
13:16<matan>like take a snapshot and save it localy?
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13:18<relidy>matan: https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/copying-a-disk-image-over-ssh
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13:21<Louis6321>wooo, irc bouncer now on $5 linode ^_^
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13:21<customer232>How long does it normally take for an account review for a freshly signed-up?
13:22<Cromulent>depends - they are normally pretty quick I think
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13:22<Louis6321>customer232: when that happened to me a few months back I got impatient after like 20 mins haha so I called them and they fixed it up straight away :)
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13:24<Lucretia>mcintosh: how can i use linode configure in a stackscript?
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13:26<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Getting error message when connect with SSH <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12533&p=72722#p72722> || General Discussion • Newbie question - Ubuntu 16.04 hang on apt-get update <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14541&p=72720#p72720>
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13:39<dwfreed>cruxeternus: for regular disks, shrinking is just a resize2fs and then a resize of the underlying volume; it refuses to shrink raw volumes, because it has no idea if just shortening the underlying volume will cause data loss
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13:45<Drew>hello
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13:46<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Strange folder appearing in web root folder after sftp via filezilla <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14566&p=72757#p72757> || Linux Networking • IP address SOP for Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14565&p=72756#p72756>
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13:50<ArcanePhoenix>What would cause the response from the host command to give you a single line with a correct resolution and a second line with an nxdomain?
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13:51<Peng>Something too exciting with the AAAA or MX query.
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13:51*Peng scratches head
13:52<Peng>I don't remember precisely how host works. But you can run 'sudo tcpdump -lnptttti any port 53' to tcpdump your DNS traffic, then run 'host whatever' and see what it did.
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14:06<ArcanePhoenix>Peng, yeah, it's NSDOMAIN'ing on MX. Weird.
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14:07<DrJ>$5!
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14:10<csnxs>!lick DrJ
14:10<linbot>csnxs: Point given to DrJ. (2)
14:10<DrJ>:)
14:10<ArcanePhoenix>O.o
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14:11<Peng>Sounds like you gots scary DNS servers
14:12*ArcanePhoenix points at Linode DNS
14:12<dwfreed>what domain?
14:12<Peng>Oh dear
14:12<Peng>Sounds like you gots wonderful DNS servers
14:12<ArcanePhoenix>^
14:12<ArcanePhoenix>arcanephoenix.com
14:13<Peng>arcanephoenix.com. (unsigned) 86393 A 23.239.20.79
14:13<Peng>; arcanephoenix.com. (unsigned) has no AAAA records (NOERROR)
14:13<Peng>arcanephoenix.com. (unsigned) 86393 MX 10 pluto.crypticdata.com.
14:13<dwfreed>works fine here, that's odd
14:13<Peng>Weird cached stuff?
14:13<Peng>Weird caching either in your local resolver, or maybe in Cloudflare Virtual DNS?
14:13<ArcanePhoenix>Peng, autoconfig.arcanephoenix.com
14:13<ArcanePhoenix>sorry
14:14<ArcanePhoenix>No MX record - not sure why it is even trying to find one
14:14<dwfreed>host always looks for an MX record
14:14<Peng>A 23.239.20.79, AAAA NOERROR, MX NOERROR.
14:14<dwfreed>it tries A, AAAA, and MX, unless you ask for a specific type
14:14<ArcanePhoenix>Guess I never noticed it.
14:15<Peng>Yeah. We've all done thousands of unwanted MX queries and never noticed.
14:15<Peng>ArcanePhoenix: I'll stick with my "weird caching" theory.
14:15<DrJ>so... I just want to be the first to ask... when are we ever going to see the coveted $2.50 plan?
14:16<dwfreed>DrJ: get out
14:16<DrJ>:)
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14:35<csnxs>I'm just waiting for the $0.15625, honestly
14:37<DrJ>:)
14:38<DrJ>I'd guess $5 is as low as it goes... but then again... for the longest time people thought Linode would never see a sub $20 plan
14:39<ArcanePhoenix>5... 5... 5 dollar foot longggggg
14:39<DrJ>$5 is like the perfect price point imo for entry level
14:41<DrJ>ArcanePhoenix :)
14:41<DrJ>$6 now I believe
14:41<Peng>2021 CE: <DrJ> comrades, ¥17 is like the perfect price point for entry level
14:41<dwfreed>there are still $5 footlongs, they're just only available with certain meats
14:42<ArcanePhoenix>DrJ, I don't eat out anymore so I haven't been to subway in years.
14:42<dwfreed>cold cut combo is still $5
14:42<DrJ>I don't go to subway often
14:42<DrJ>I do like their spicy italian, which is what I always get when I do
14:43<@mquatrani>pop quiz: what does B.M.T. stand for? No Googling!
14:43<DrJ>Bacon, rest doesn't matter
14:43<ArcanePhoenix>^
14:43<@mcintosh>bring my tomato
14:43<@mquatrani>dat's BLT ;)
14:43<ArcanePhoenix>beat my tomato
14:44<Ikaros>dwfreed: Maybe where you are. Every market varies. Here it's whatever the store sets. Sometimes $6, sometimes a bit more. Always between $6 and $6.50 though from what I've seen.
14:44<DrJ>:)
14:45<Ikaros>BUUUT since it's "Footlong Fest" every footlong is $6, and I like that.
14:46<Ikaros>Also side note: Stop increasing things on your plans that make me have to reboot to take advantage of it :(
14:46<ArcanePhoenix>mquatrani, i googled... interesting read. the more you know*
14:46<DrJ>I know Ikaros, linode loves to kill uptime that way
14:46<Ikaros>My superiors frown upon reboots when it's not necessary for stability.
14:47<@mquatrani>ArchanePhoenix: indeed ;)
14:47<Ikaros>At this stage they probably won't let me do one for a few months.
14:47<Ikaros>At the least.
14:47<ArcanePhoenix>Ikaros, increasing? Free upgrades?
14:48<DrJ>hmm, sounds more like they should be concerned about getting redudancy set up
14:48<Ikaros>Yeah that's not "critical to stability" in their book, lol
14:48<DrJ>should be able to reboot any given server without anyone noticing if it's that important
14:48*Ikaros eyeshifts
14:48<Ikaros>You know though
14:48<Ikaros>If they're going to play the stability card...
14:49*Ikaros could feign a crash >.>
14:50<DrJ>I am curious why a network speed increase would require a reboot
14:50<Ikaros>Though...it is my server to do with as I please, not at their direction.
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14:54<TheAdmiral>Leslie Gore parody server songs for $100, Alex.
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14:57<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • database connection error <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7432&p=72759#p72759>
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15:01<Eugene>DNS manager no longer accepts underscore characters in zone names.... and doesn't accept edits to such existing zones. "Yay" :-| http://i.imgur.com/k2hkyOQ.png
15:02<Peng>D:
15:02<Peng>CNAME time!
15:02<gparent>lol
15:02<Eugene>Since its a regression in the Manager, i filed a ticket
15:02<Eugene>(and that is a valid hostname, fuck you arbitrary regex)
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15:03<@mcintosh>Eugene: thanks for the ticket! sorry for the unexpected error
15:03<Eugene>Do you guys even test this stuff before rolling it out? What if you break my Winode!
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15:05<Peng>It's not a hostname, exactly
15:06<csnxs>wow, releasing software that's NOT bug-free? you just lost a customer!!!!!11
15:06<Eugene>Potato, tomato
15:06<gparent>I already migrated to amazon due to these stunning developments
15:06<gparent>is this related to the moon landing? probably
15:06<Eugene>I wonder if Route53 supports underscores
15:07<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Block Storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14552&p=72761#p72761> || General Discussion • Linode vs other cloud <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14380&p=72760#p72760>
15:07<Eugene>Yes, that is in their "printable ASCII characters" list. Cool.
15:07*gparent pipes his zone file to lp
15:08*csnxs uses his zone file as a source of entropy
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15:12<enrique>hi, can you help me ?
15:12<Eugene>Hi, how are you
15:12<enrique>fine, you ?
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15:12<Eugene>Still Linodin'
15:13<enrique>i am looking for a cloud server, but i wonder if i will need a domain name
15:13<Eugene>Nobody says you have to have one, but it is useful for serving a website by name instead of IP address
15:14<enrique>maybe the question must be if the cloud server i can buy from you has a public ip address
15:14<Eugene>!ips
15:14<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
15:15<enrique>is an static ipv4 and ipv6 ?
15:16<Eugene>Yes, they are static.
15:16<@avelardi>Yes
15:17<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Block Storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14552&p=72732#p72732> || Feature Request/Bug Report • linode-longview-1.1-5: MySQL: skip-name-resolve <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14548&p=72723#p72723> || General Discussion • Getting error message when connect with SSH <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12533&p=72722#p72722>
15:17<enrique>ok, thx. And the second question how long time is the contract for a virtual server ?
15:18<Eugene>There is no contract. You are free to cancel your account(or delete/add Linodes) at any time. Charges accrue hourly up to the monthly limit, and you are billed on the 1st of the month
15:18<enrique>ok. and the last question is if i can pay with paypal
15:18<Eugene>!paypal
15:18<linbot>Make a Payment - via PayPal (beta): https://blog.linode.com/2016/07/26/paypal-payments/
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15:19<enrique>ok, thx again Eugene
15:20<@mcintosh>!point Eugene
15:20<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to Eugene. (2)
15:20<enrique>!ips
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15:20<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
15:21<enrique>thx again Eugene
15:21<csnxs>!lick Eugene
15:21<linbot>csnxs: Point given to Eugene. (3)
15:21<Eugene>That is a much better alias
15:22<enrique>bye Eugene
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15:23<GTAXL>We can't update the outbound networking without a complete reboot?
15:23<Eugene>Correct. Network limits on Linode are implemented by the hypervisor, and historically that's part of a boot task
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15:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Cloud storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14567&p=72764#p72764>
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15:28<csnxs>woo, more storage!
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15:29<csnxs>now jenkins has 6GB more space to store its artifacts!
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15:30<csnxs>oh yeah I forgot i accidentally removed all my jenkins jobs
15:30<csnxs>oh well!
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15:32<Renuka>hi guys. I need to buy a VPS for hobby to learn linux administration
15:33<Renuka>Just saw Linode offers $5 plan , which is brand new
15:33<csnxs>indeed!
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15:34<Renuka>any coupon code to start with ?
15:35<csnxs>last time I checked the docs had a nice one...
15:35<@mcintosh>Renuka: LINODE10
15:36<Renuka>mcintosh: while signing up i should enter this code in promo code box ? credit will be applied immediately ?
15:36<@mcintosh>yup!
15:36<Renuka>any other codes which offer $20 credit ?
15:36<Renuka>I saw few online, but it would be great if you can help me with a working one
15:36<@caker>there is a code that makes everything cost 2x as much
15:37<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • database connection error <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7432&p=72766#p72766> || Linux Networking • IP address SOP for Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14565&p=72765#p72765>
15:37<@caker>it's called: OUR COMPETITION
15:37<csnxs>haha
15:37<DrJ>haha
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15:38<Renuka>which is the newest data center ?
15:38<DrJ>the LINODE10 one is really the only code Renuka
15:38<DrJ>afaik the only way to get others is to go to their booths at events linode attends
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15:39<DrJ>tokyo 2 is the newest
15:39<csnxs>also DOCS10
15:39<Renuka>DrJ: so if i add $50 using my credit card, and then using LINODE10 promo code, i will be getting
15:40<Renuka>DrJ: $60 in total credited to my account
15:40<csnxs>sixty dollarinos
15:40<DrJ>yea
15:40<Renuka>i see only credit card is the payment option , no paypal ?
15:40<DrJ>I'm not sure if you even have to deposit anything upfront
15:40<Eugene>!paypal
15:40<linbot>Make a Payment - via PayPal (beta): https://blog.linode.com/2016/07/26/paypal-payments/
15:40<DrJ>I may be wrong on that
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15:41<DrJ>typically you are billed on the first of the month for what you used last month
15:41<DrJ>might be different for first month of a new account though
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15:42<csnxs>you have to sign up using credit card, but you can add credit using paypal
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15:44<Renuka>Is Linode $5 plan OpenVZ or KVM ?
15:44<csnxs>kvm
15:44<Renuka>great :)
15:45<Renuka>What are the OS templates available ?
15:45<DrJ>all the major ones
15:45<DrJ>debian, ubuntu, centos, etc
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15:46<Peng>!distros
15:46<linbot>https://www.linode.com/distributions
15:46<csnxs>https://www.linode.com/distributions
15:46<csnxs>Peng you ninja :<
15:46<Peng>With some work, you can upload a custom OS
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15:52<Renuka>DrJ: We can re-build the OS of our VM using linode manager ?
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15:53<dwfreed>yes
15:53<Peng>Yes.
15:53<Peng>D:
15:53*dwfreed ninjas the ninja
15:53<Peng>I saw it coming, but couldn't stop myself from hitting Enter in time.
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16:27<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • I have a server that uses PHPMailer, is it safe to use it or I will finish in a RBL? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14546&p=72767#p72767>
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16:35<millisa>I could swear I've asked this before, but I can't seem to find it. So (for probably the third+ time) - what's linode's stance on signing a BAA so I can get some healthcare based stuff hosted here? (Rackspace says 'no' for their non-managed cloud servers)
16:35<dwfreed>millisa: I believe Linode will do that
16:36<dwfreed>millisa: they do mention on their website that you can get HIPAA compliant on Linode, and iirc, a BAA is required for that
16:36<millisa>!to millisa ticket
16:36<linbot>millisa: Sounds like ticket time! Your problem will probably be solved much faster by submitting a support ticket, rather than hoping to catch an employee's attention here.
16:37<dwfreed>heh
16:37<csnxs>!lick mi
16:37<linbot>csnxs: Point given to mi. (1)
16:37<csnxs>bag
16:37<csnxs>bagh*
16:37<csnxs>!lick millisa
16:37<linbot>csnxs: Point given to millisa. (2)
16:42<TheAdmiral>more points if mill is offering good health plans.
16:43<millisa>these guys are mostly all about oncology type billing unfortunately.
16:44<millisa>more coding procedures than anything]
16:46<@jalter>just to confirm - yep, we can sign a BAA
16:50<millisa>awesome tahnks.
16:50<millisa>er, and thanks
16:50<@jalter>np
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17:01<csnxs>but can they sign my sensitive areas?
17:02<Eugene>I have a sharpie
17:04<FluffyFoxeh>baaaa
17:04<csnxs>well I have the smelliest sharpie that ever existed
17:04<FluffyFoxeh>/nick FluffySheep
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18:39<Q3Man>So.. Yay for the new $5 instances! Quick question though.. at what point should I give support a heads up that we plan on starting a bunch of instances? I've got 300 aws nano boxes that we might try to migrate to linode. Would it be ok to start up 100 of them as a test or should I let support know first?
18:41<@caker>if possible, distribute them across DC would be helpful ... If you want to instantly do 300 in one DC in one afternoon, you may experience some wrap-around ... so let us know
18:44<dwfreed>> 300 boxen
18:44<dwfreed>quite the herd you got there
18:44<cruxeternus>Herd of gnats :)
18:44<dwfreed>that would be a swarm
18:45<Peng>a cloud
18:45<cruxeternus>I'm just using your word!
18:46<devilspgd>Is there any reason to avoid switching to hourly billing? I vaguely recall when it first came out there was some minor disadvantage, but I don't see anything in our notes.
18:46<dwfreed>if you pay yearly, you'd lose the discount
18:46<devilspgd>I think maybe we had a yearly server or two at one point, but not today.
18:46<dwfreed>then no disadvantage
18:48<ponas>the disadvantage is you cannot change your mind to get the yearly discount back
18:48<dwfreed>there's that too
18:49<devilspgd>If we did anything yearly it was at least a few years back, lately our needs have been variable enough that I don't really plan on making any long term commitments.
18:51<devilspgd>I'm weirded out by Linode not offering the new plans to legacy pre-pay accounts, but I've got my eye on a High Memory plan.
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18:53<Nivex>not really weird. they're trying to wean folk off the pre-paid.
18:54<devilspgd>Yeah I guess. That is also weird to me, I always like it when people give me money sooner rather than later (both as a business owner, and a person). Although, consistency makes sense too.
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18:59<Nivex>I wonder when they'll find a way to move me off my yearly discount plan.
19:00<Peng>Remember, you can have two accounts.
19:00<Peng>With different billing.
19:00<millisa>an anniversary bonus giving double of some resource might?
19:00*Peng cheap
19:00<millisa>if you had to do it to get that double ram bonus they did this past year?
19:01<dwfreed>Nivex: if you can fit everything into the $5 plan, you can cut your costs by almost 75%
19:02<Nivex>dwfreed: true, but I have the budget (at least for the moment) for the $20/mo, even at full price, and I kinda like having the second core when I need it.
19:02<devilspgd>Speaking of the $5 plan (and taking a shot at DO directly), has Linode given any hints of higher disk space plans or purchasing extra disk space? Any beta programs or anything that I missed?
19:02<Nivex>as millisa suggests, there will probably be some resource bump they'll make contingent to shake loose the stragglers
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19:03<Nivex>devilspgd: there's a block storage beta in the works coming in some months
19:03<devilspgd>Sweet.
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19:07<Q3Man>Any hints as to how fast the block storage would be? Are we talking something similar to S3/EFS? Or something more like a NFS mountable volume?
19:07<Peng>I bet it'll be 50% faster than DigitalOcean's block storage :D
19:08<Q3Man>can I run my 1.5tb elasticsearch cluster on it? :)
19:08<devilspgd>Peng: Probably :)
19:10<devilspgd>I moved a SpamAssassin masscheck box over from DO to Linode, jobs take about 60% of the time to complete on a similarly spec'd Linode. I was quite surprised.
19:10<Q3Man>One thing I do love about linodes are the diskIO speeds.. SSDs all around make life easier
19:11<Peng>Back in my day, we liked Linode's I/O speeds, and the disks were HDDs!
19:11<devilspgd>DO has supposedly been SSD since day #1, but... I've never noticed them being substantially better, even when Linode was running spinners.
19:12*Q3Man gets off devilspgd's lawn
19:12<Peng>But how quickly can you get off a lawn
19:12<Eugene>Everybody knows its not the MBps that counts, its the IOPS :v
19:13<ajmitch>Peng: the disks were HDDs, and the kernel on UML?
19:13<Peng>And we liked it, up hill, both ways!
19:13<ajmitch>64MB of RAM should be enough for anyone
19:13<Peng>The kernel version number should begin with "2" forever
19:14<cruxeternus>Kernels beginning with 3 come from the NSA.
19:14<cruxeternus>and 4 :P
19:14<Peng>Version 5 comes from the GRU
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19:14<cruxeternus>But not the GNU!
19:14<Nivex>I thought that would be the start of Lennarx
19:14<Peng>Definitely not
19:15<Peng>Definitely yes
19:15<Nivex>You know, systemd all the things.
19:15<Peng>things all the systemd
19:15*cruxeternus throws up.
19:15<Peng>Was someone asking for help before i started shitposting
19:15<Peng>>_>
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19:15<Eugene>Does it matter
19:15<Nivex>shiptoast!
19:15<cruxeternus>That's what I end up with after my World of Warships games...
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20:18<TheAdmiral>.
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20:28<DrJ>$5
20:29<Peng>0.3 meter loooong
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20:31<DrJ>just so happy
20:31<DrJ>even 2 days later
20:32<cruxeternus>Five. Five dollar. Five dollar Linooooode.
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20:33<DrJ>they said it couldnt be done
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20:40<DrJ>Brexit
20:40<DrJ>Trump
20:40<DrJ>$5
20:40<devilspgd>I've shrunk a couple of mine to $5, next I'm looking at migrating a couple things over to the high memory plans to make up for it. Weeeeeeeee.
20:53<FluffyFoxeh>I'm keeping my 2GB. I can use the extra storage to seed more Linux ISOs :p
20:53<FluffyFoxeh>(yes, actual Linux ISOs)
20:53<Peng>Soon: Block storage! :D
20:55<FluffyFoxeh>yeah :D that might be good for when I temporarily need a bunch of storage on a fast uplink
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22:45<Zimsky>well that's just fucking rude
22:45<Ikaros>ikr
22:48<millisa>So, are we all enjoying MS's new open info policy and patch rollups? https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/msrc/2017/02/14/february-2017-security-update-release/
22:49<Ikaros>...wait. So what they just said is "We'll give you February's updates on top of March's updates because we had one last minute issue?"
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22:50<Ikaros>One more month for unpatched systems!
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22:50<millisa>Tuesday it was "no updates for february, we'll update tomorrow". Today it was "No patches all month".
22:50<Ikaros>Yeah that's uh...
22:50<millisa>It looks like they cancelled the mac office update, too . . . so I'm guessing it wasn't just that smb flaw.
22:51<millisa>I'm sure glad they started rolling those updates up into one big patch...
22:51<Ikaros>Well...looking at it from another perspective
22:51<Ikaros>Would you rather have a broken patch or a working patch
22:51<millisa>I'd rather have the dozen working patches and not have the one broken one.
22:51<millisa>Not no patches because we botched one
22:51<Ikaros>Mmm
22:52<Ikaros>I suppose you have a point
22:52<Ikaros>And I do sorta take issue with that 'cause that's the rest of February with potentially unpatched flaws.
22:52<millisa>Then again, I prefer the exact opposite for desktops . .mostly because I don't want to support them
22:52<Ikaros>I wonder if any moron up there even took that into consideration
22:53<millisa>This scenario was brought up more than a few times when they revealed they were heading down the rollup style update path.
22:53<Ikaros>If it were me I'd say push out the patches that are good to go, and throw the botched one in with March's
22:53<millisa>that's what they used to do
22:53<Ikaros>Provided it was actually *fixed* by that point
22:54<Ikaros>But you know, maybe because of the fact they do rollup-style now, they had to actually make the call that they did.
22:54*TheAdmiral tries not to comment on fake os's ;)
22:54<millisa>I just can't even come up with the linux equivalent of their patch mindset; and if my distro of choice went that route . .I'd probably switch
22:54<Ikaros>Yeah because I'd drive over there and smack yuo
22:54<Ikaros>yuo*
22:54<Ikaros>GOD DAMN
22:54<Ikaros>you*
22:55<Ikaros>Well that's because Linux.
22:55<millisa>And being a hypocrite, I'm more than happy to let apple do the same thing for my desktop and phone. I guess because I don't use any apple products for servers.
22:55<Ikaros>Only Apple product I use is an iPhone.
22:56<MJCS>Hissssss
22:56<Ikaros>And not by choice
22:56<mmustac>yeah reluctant iPleb user here too. i feel your pain
22:57<MJCS>Windows Phone is where its at
22:57<Ikaros>Actually it's not nearly as half bad as people claim. I mean I can think of countless better phones to have, but it's not really let me down either.
22:57<millisa>I was so excited for that google modular phone ('Ara'); I thought it'd finally be the thing to get my away from this apple candybar.
22:57<TheAdmiral>yeah, because that only be good.
22:58<MJCS>I use a windows phone
22:58<Ikaros>Make calls. Send texts. Use the occasional app. That's it for me.
22:58<TheAdmiral>personally, i sort of miss using a flip phone ;)
22:59<millisa>i miss buttons.
22:59<TheAdmiral>or heck, even a day glo pink princess rotary phone.
22:59<Ikaros>lol flip phone.
22:59<Ikaros>At least the battery on those things would last a hell of a lot longer
22:59<TheAdmiral>well, ya know, they worked for what they did: being a phone ;)
22:59<millisa>someone had some tech news about a new flip phone in the last couple days
23:00<Ikaros>Hell I still remember my old Nokia handheld mobile.
23:00<TheAdmiral>wife had me purchase and try out 4 diff oemj/vendor phones and what each did to "customize" android ended up being deeply annoying.
23:01<Ikaros>But the key thing was, both my flip phone and my old Nokia lasted an extremely long time on a single charge
23:01<TheAdmiral>indeed.
23:01<dwfreed>I kind of wish I could use the Nokia N810 I have for something useful these days
23:01<TheAdmiral>weeks.
23:01<Ikaros>I honestly don't get why smartphone makers can't do the same with their phones
23:01<dwfreed>TheAdmiral: so why not buy a Nexus/Pixel?
23:02<Ikaros>What's so difficult about it
23:02<mmustac>mcintosh: come on come on come on now touch me Rich.....can't you see, that I am not afraid!
23:02<dwfreed>Ikaros: um, battery size?
23:02<Ikaros>I call it being cheap
23:02<dwfreed>Li-Ion only gets so dense
23:02<millisa>http://cdn2.knowyourmobile.com/sites/knowyourmobilecom/files/styles/gallery_wide/public/2016/08/samsung-foldable-phone-patent-may16.png?itok=9h11vv5y
23:02<dwfreed>then it just explodes in your face
23:03<millisa>it was the galaxy X patent filing
23:03<MJCS>Looks like a nintendo 3ds
23:03<Ikaros>Hm.
23:03<Ikaros>Speaking of Li-Ion...I hear conflicting things on proper care of such batteries especially in mobile phones
23:03<TheAdmiral>i am a true tech fan. been coding since 1975, at least. but at this age, when eyesight, fingers, prostate and colon all go down hill (in that order), simple becomes better.
23:04<millisa>I'm assuming this was a mockup and not from samsung: http://icdn8.digitaltrends.com/image/samsung-flexible-display-smartphone-promo-640x0.jpg
23:04<TheAdmiral>you'll see someday, kids.
23:04<TheAdmiral>;)
23:04<dwfreed>Ikaros: *shrug* for 99% of people, they'll buy a new phone before they do significant damage to the cycle time of their battery
23:04<Ikaros>Mine is at the 2.5 year mark nearly. And still holds charge fairly well.
23:05<Ikaros>Though the device itself is kinda ragged, lol...faceplate looks to be coming a bit loose.
23:05<dwfreed>millisa: it looks like a piece of paper was taped to a little notebook
23:05<TheAdmiral>i've kept all of my iP* products nearly constantly plugged in & charging. batteries still work 100% even for the 1st gen ipads sitting over there on the shelf.
23:06<dwfreed>millisa: by notebook I mean the paper kind
23:06<millisa>the best kind of notebook
23:06<Ikaros>But yeah. Mine doesn't even have so much as a single hint of a scratch or crack anywhere on the screen
23:06<dwfreed>I needed a new phone to switch to Project Fi
23:06<MJCS>My sister keeps breaking phones so I am going to get her a Nokia 3310
23:07<Ikaros>I'm about to drop for a new phone though with my carrier soon, anyway
23:07<dwfreed>MJCS: if she manages to break that, enter her into a strength contest; she'll win
23:07<MJCS>My sister is a klutz
23:07<MJCS>Has nothing to do with strength
23:07<millisa>oooh! http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nokia-3310-news/
23:07<dwfreed>MJCS: supposedly, it's coming back
23:08<dwfreed>as per the link millisa just posted
23:08<TheAdmiral>hah, mill;)
23:08<MJCS>I know
23:08<millisa>look at those buttons!
23:08<millisa>excuse me 'full tactile feedback mechanism'
23:08<TheAdmiral>so far i've skipped andriod dev so don't have a large collection of them. just enough to test for wife;)
23:08<TheAdmiral>i betcha i'd like that nokia. simple.
23:08<Ikaros>Holy hell that was mine
23:09<Ikaros>I had a 3310
23:09<millisa>i hope it has the ringtone.
23:09<Ikaros>Matter of fact I still HAVE it
23:09<MJCS>It will have snake
23:09<MJCS>I would love to see kids today try to text with a T9 keyboard
23:10<TheAdmiral>oh, they'd adapt. kids always adapt.
23:11<MJCS>And 14.4k modems
23:11<MJCS>:)
23:11<millisa>"What do you do with it?" "You call people and talk to them." "What?"
23:11<Ikaros>Let's get Doom running on it!
23:11<TheAdmiral>yes, you're right about baud rates. one can never go back ;) [14.4?? sheesh. try 110 ;)]
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23:11<MJCS>14.4k was common when the 3310 was around
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23:12<TheAdmiral>300 baud was just about right for typing fast.
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23:13<TheAdmiral>;)
23:13<Ikaros>Haha
23:13<millisa>c1650 sitting on the 1541 drive?
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23:13<TheAdmiral>2bad4ace
23:15<TheAdmiral>oh, nevermind.
23:15<TheAdmiral>was thinking far older main frame drives;)
23:15<TheAdmiral>which had hex disk labels.
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23:17<ibbe>hi
23:18<linbot>hi
23:18<millisa>greetings
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23:23<Ikaros>Fun read: http://itrunsdoom.tumblr.com/tagged/it-runs-doom
23:23<Ikaros>Got a few pages worth at least
23:29<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72768#p72768>
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23:39<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72769#p72769>
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23:40<applefri1ter>+i
23:40<applefri1ter>hello
23:41<millisa>greetings
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23:41<millisa>aww; was going to ask about the snow
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23:42<Zimsky>millisa: what do you want to know?
23:43<millisa>if it water really solidifes and then falls from the sky
23:43<millisa>er, s/it//
23:44<Zimsky>do lake chickens' barks echo?
23:44<TheAdmiral>not in my sound proof dungeon.
23:49<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72770#p72770>
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