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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-02-16

---Logopened Thu Feb 16 00:00:47 2017
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00:09<Eugene>I've just had the best/worst idea for Tor browsing: boot Tails in a Linode
00:09<Eugene>Use Glish
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00:12<millisa>it'd fit in the 2gb image limit wouldn't it?
00:12<Eugene>Thats what I was thinking about
00:12<millisa>so you could even keep it around and just spin it up when you want it for something
00:12<dwfreed>or just pull the iso from the internet via ipxe every boot
00:12<Eugene>From a torrent!
00:12<dwfreed>#madeitworse
00:12<Eugene>No, that's insane. What are you people smoking
00:12<Ikaros>Booting images from the net...lol...
00:12<millisa>using another Tailsnode?
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00:23<Eugene>Well, I've given up trying to find actual Tails documentation on installing
00:24<Eugene>They don't appear to have anything as advanced as magic dd(that they support)
00:24<Eugene>Which means.... time to do it the obvious way: dd the iso to a Linode and see what boots
00:25<Zimsky>Eugene: why don't you be happy with your own dd
00:25<Zimsky>be happy with what god gave you.
00:25<millisa>it looks like they are even anti-install . .which I guess makes sense. https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/index.en.html#index8h2
00:25<Eugene>Yup, total sense for the intended target audience
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00:37<FluffyFoxeh>Tails http://www.fastquake.com/images/photos/P8081344_j.JPG
00:38<Ikaros>Yes that's quite funny.
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00:53<Shahid>Recently, I have joined linode. Payment deduct from my account. But account not active yet
00:53<millisa>How recently?
00:53<Shahid>yes
00:54<Shahid>It is amazing thing for me. I have payment mail. But account going pending
00:54<millisa>What amount of time has passed?
00:55<Shahid>5$
00:55<sandeep>how much time has it been since you signed up?
00:55<Eugene>Tails results: https://vomitb.in/IUtnwwYjSl on ISOLINUX boot(yay it works!), followed by http://i.imgur.com/a5AwgHP.png. Ends up hanging at http://i.imgur.com/ABlfKeu.png. Probably something network related
00:55<Shahid>near 20 minute. I have received mail. but still going in pending
00:55<Eugene>And thats as far as I'm chasing it tonight
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00:56<Eugene>Shahid - new accounts need manual review. Its currently 1AM at Linode HQ; I'm sure the support guys on-duty will be done with their lunch break or ticket backlog shortly
00:56<Eugene>Patience, and a cup of coffee.
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00:57<Shahid>I have worked various like OVH and digitalocean not view such thing
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01:03<dwfreed>Eugene: fwiw, there's never a period where everybody is on break at once
01:03<Eugene>"or ticket backlog"
01:04<FluffyFoxeh>do night shift people have "lunch"?
01:05<Eugene>Ya gotta eat
01:08<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: they have "mid shift meal break commonly referred to as lunch, regardless of time of day it occurs"
01:08<FluffyFoxeh>I see
01:08<FluffyFoxeh>:p
01:09<Eugene>Shift-based labor laws are pretty similar across industries
01:10<dwfreed>because they're not industry specific :P
01:10<dwfreed>pretty much every state, including new jersey, requires a 1 hour "lunch" break for every 8 hours worked
01:10<millisa>NJ's an at-will state that doesn't require you give breaks for folks over 18
01:10<dwfreed>really? I didn't think at-will covered that
01:11<millisa>doesn't. but NJ does.
01:11<millisa>http://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/wage-and-hour-laws/state-wage-and-hour-laws/new-jersey/
01:11<millisa>anyone who wants to keep good IT folks won't deny them lunch though . . . much less candybars. and assorted carbonated taurine filled megavitamin beverages.
01:12<Eugene>alternative employment law
01:13<Eugene>I hate tech companies that don't have Mountain Dew in the fridge. Let's be honest about who you have working there and what they want in a beverage
01:13<millisa>Just screw a redbull right into the socket: http://www.valupets.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/h/a/hamster_drinking_bottle_150ml.jpg
01:13<dwfreed>soon enough they'll have to follow PA law as well, anyway
01:13<millisa>hang it on the cube wall and . . .
01:13<Eugene>If its a health thing fine, get the 6oz mini-cans, I'll take three.
01:14<dwfreed>millisa: hah
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01:36<nate>dwfreed: PA law in what?
01:36<dwfreed>employment
01:36<dwfreed>soon Linode will be employing people to work in PA
01:37<nate>Oh you mean the phily thing?
01:37<nate>too bad it's in phily, else I'd be interested
01:37<nate>lol
01:37<FluffyFoxeh>PA
01:37<dwfreed>nate: yes
01:37<nate>phily is a poo city for a lot of reasons
01:37<dwfreed>nate: at philly isn't really that bad
01:37<dwfreed>s/at/and/
01:37<FluffyFoxeh>nate: yeah well you're a poo head
01:38<nate>dwfreed: it has it's good parts and it's bad parts, crime wise, but it's also the only first class city in PA, and as such have complete control over their own gun laws (which are pretty much no guns)
01:38<nate>so yeah I'm good :P
01:38<dwfreed>*shrug* there's a pistol range across the street from a building I used to spend a lot of time in
01:39<nate>dwfreed: Yes but if you got caught carrying (concealed or open) to it, you'd get in massive shit
01:39<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • I have a server that uses PHPMailer, is it safe to use it or I will finish in a RBL? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14546&p=72771#p72771>
01:39<dwfreed>so don't carry an armed weapon? I mean, that's what gun cases were invented for
01:40<millisa>wait, if I put it in a case, how do I set a table? what goes next to the fork?
01:40<FluffyFoxeh>spoon
01:40<nate>dwfreed: I didn't pay for a conceal license and actually pay for training shit (along side technically free training) just to, well, not carry, that's silly
01:40<nate>lol
01:40<dwfreed>conceal permits are the least likely to be honored across states
01:41<nate>dwfreed: It's not across the states I'm worried about, phily isn't a state, it's part of PA, and it's not even honored there :P
01:41<nate>That said, a pretty significant number of states accept PA's
01:41<dwfreed>ah
01:42<dwfreed>didn't know you were elsewhere in PA
01:42<nate>technically speaking I believe -every- state that has a concealed carry permit law accepts PA's, because PA's actually does federal background checks
01:42<dwfreed>also, pittsburgh is pretty good sized, even if nobody ever goes there for tourist reasons
01:42<nate>Yeah I'm over by pittsburgh
01:42<nate>but phily is our only class 1 city in the state, so they get to run their own gun laws
01:43<nate>Even driving through philly with a gun in the vehicle, you have to have like separate lock boxes for ammo and the gun
01:43<FluffyFoxeh>i forgot where PA is let alone pittsburgh
01:43*FluffyFoxeh fins a map
01:44<nate>FluffyFoxeh: under new york
01:44<nate>to the left of new jersey
01:44<nate>lol
01:44<FluffyFoxeh>oh, huh
01:44<nate>pittsburgh is the major city on the south west of PA
01:44<FluffyFoxeh>that's closer to here than I expected
01:44<nate>phily is eastern-ish
01:45<nate>or well no guess phily is south eastern
01:45<FluffyFoxeh>there's a star on my gmaps in pittsburgh, wtf
01:45<FluffyFoxeh>who put that there
01:45<FluffyFoxeh>and two more in toronto
01:49<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Cloud storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14567&p=72772#p72772>
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02:05<Ha>Can i Mine Bitcoin or Litecoin Mining On Your Vps?
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02:05<Zimsky>Last I Heard That Was Not Generally Permissible On These Vps
02:05<millisa>https://www.linode.com/tos section 3 probably has the relevant line
02:06<react>get outta here millisa with your documentation
02:06<Zimsky>wait, linode has a TOS?
02:06<millisa>It says 1. Don't do bad things.
02:06<millisa>2. ???
02:06<Ha>so Mining is Bad Thing?
02:06<Zimsky>for the environment? yes
02:06<Ha>Hmm .
02:07<millisa>It might fall under "Misuse of System Resources: Intentional misuse of system resources, including but not limited to employing programs that consume excessive network capacity, CPU cycles, or disk IO."
02:07<Ha>i understand
02:07<react>what good are dedicated cores if you can't use them as you see fit...
02:07<Zimsky>why would you use CPUs to mine anyway
02:07<millisa>then again, maybe not . .my late factorio games probably dont' look much different that a miner.
02:07<Ha>I Want to Earn Money with Vps
02:07<Zimsky>if you're serious, you should be using FPGAs or ASICs
02:08<Zimsky>you'll hardly earn a thing
02:08<millisa>like zimsky said - it's pretty unlikely you'd cover costs doing cpu based mining on a vps...
02:08<dwfreed>mining any kind of coin would be considered a misuse of system resources by Linode
02:08<react>no, you WONT earn anything, you'll spend more on the server
02:08<Zimsky>^
02:08<Ha>Okay
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02:08<Jerry>hello
02:08<Zimsky>dammit jerry
02:09<Ha>Thanks for help me
02:09<react>philosophically though, I would challenge Linode to prove I'm misusing resources, one man's bitcoin miner is another man's wordpress
02:09<Zimsky>^
02:09<Jerry>@@
02:09<Zimsky>I was going to make some comedic attempt at some useless blog topic
02:09<millisa>solar based raspberry pi based mining is where it's at. you take money from the sun, see . . .
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02:09<FluffyFoxeh>lmao
02:10<dwfreed>react: pretty easy when the miner segfaults and that ends up printed on the console
02:10<Zimsky>"you see ivan"
02:10<Jerry>guys
02:10<Zimsky>wow did you just assume my gender?
02:10<millisa>Yes, Jerry?
02:10<Jerry>abcd
02:10<Zimsky>efgh
02:10<FluffyFoxeh>ijkl
02:10<dwfreed>ijkl
02:10<Zimsky>mnop
02:10<react>if they were to prove misuse, would they be admitting to inspecting an instance, isn't that a breach of customer privacy? >_>
02:10<Jerry>boring and nth to do ==
02:10<Zimsky>lol
02:11<Zimsky>what is this channel
02:11<dwfreed>react: support can look at your console at any time for any reason
02:11<react>what line is that on
02:11<dwfreed>the "you're hosting your shit on our stuff" line
02:11<Jerry>LOL
02:12<dwfreed>but breach of customer privacy is pretty moot when you're breaching the ToS yourself
02:12<react>allegedly breaching :D
02:12<millisa>Favorite TOS sentece: "Linode.com provides support related to your Linode virtual server physically functioning.'
02:12<react>so place the miner in a container, run it hot at 95%, stay off the radar
02:12<react>;)
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02:13<dwfreed>millisa: "virtual ... physically" is great, isn't it?
02:13<Jerry>bunch of ppl talking about T&C ? ==
02:13<react>it turtles all the way down...
02:13<Zimsky>==
02:13<millisa>As long as they can guarantee that the underlying physical server is virtually functioning, I think I'm satisfied.
02:13<react>s/it/it's/
02:13<FluffyFoxeh>a == a
02:13<FluffyFoxeh>2+2 == 5
02:13<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: I can mathematically prove a != a
02:13<react>I want my server to be figuratively functioning
02:13<Zimsky>and I can also prove 1 = 2
02:13<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: orly
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02:13<dwfreed>react: the segfault would still show up on the console
02:13<dwfreed>even in a container
02:14<dwfreed>printk is not containerized
02:14<Jerry>1+1=3
02:14<Zimsky>no Jerry
02:14<Zimsky>dammit jerry
02:14<Jerry>*eveil*
02:14<react>i was just about to go on a long tirade where I hack the kernel to rip out any perror related libraries and functions, but it's getting late
02:14<Jerry>*evil*
02:15<Jerry>i assumed Zimsky is admin of this chat?
02:15<nate>react: Anyone claiming privacy invasion of linode accessing hardware that, well, they effectively own in the long term would proably get told legal-wise that if they were that concerned they would have encrypted their instance
02:15<Zimsky>yes definitely
02:15<react>blame Ha btw, this is his hypothetical puppy
02:15<Zimsky>react: there's a myriad of things you can do
02:16<FluffyFoxeh>ooh I love puppies
02:16<Jerry>i am selling pet food
02:16<Zimsky>okay
02:16<Jerry>hahaha
02:16<Zimsky>ಠ_ಠ
02:16<Jerry>non-sense all the way~~ lalalala
02:16<react>we have rights, stand up for your metaphorical rights netizens
02:17<FluffyFoxeh>!boo Jerry
02:17<Zimsky>I am a citizen of the world, your borders are meaningless to me
02:17<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Point taken from Jerry! (-1)
02:17<Zimsky>!point Zimsky
02:17<linbot>Zimsky: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
02:17<FluffyFoxeh>wut.
02:17<react>it says in the TOS that Linode could talk to law enforcement and not tell you... O_O
02:17<Zimsky>okay then.
02:17*react straps on tin-foil hat
02:17<dwfreed>react: under certain terms, yes
02:17<Zimsky>react: tinfoil hats can improve signal
02:17<dwfreed>react: eg subpoena with gag order
02:18<react>those memes totally aren't mine, im holding them for someone...
02:18<Jerry>!point Jerry
02:18<linbot>Jerry: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
02:18<Jerry>what is that
02:18<dwfreed>mcintosh: you broke it
02:18<FluffyFoxeh>what does HTML have to do with this anyway?
02:18<dwfreed>karma function, but it seems to not be working
02:18<dwfreed>linbot: help point
02:18<linbot>dwfreed: (point <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title urmom.rm.wtf/points/add/$nick/$1/".
02:18<dwfreed>that
02:18<FluffyFoxeh>really?!
02:18<dwfreed>yes
02:18<Zimsky>what do fluffy foxes have to do with VM hosts?
02:19<FluffyFoxeh>you call a web service for that?!\
02:19<dwfreed>easier than trying to add a plugin when you don't have admin in linbot
02:19<FluffyFoxeh>ohh
02:19<FluffyFoxeh>makes sense :p
02:19<dwfreed>most of what linbot does is just an alias that calls web title or web fetch
02:19<FluffyFoxeh>who does have admin
02:19<Jerry>there is a point system ?
02:19<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72773#p72773>
02:19<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: anymore I don't know
02:19<FluffyFoxeh>that's spooky
02:20<react>some of these forum posts crack me up
02:20<Zimsky>yes Jerry, the more you liken yourself to benito mussolini, the more you are loved by nate
02:20*Jerry slaps FluffyFoxeh around a bit with a large fishbot
02:21<nate>zimsky: I like that you seem to have this persistance dislike of anyone that ever argues with you on stuff. I can only imagine what a life with likely no real friends must be like, do tell us
02:21<nate>lol
02:21<Jerry> benito mussolini ? what the hell is that
02:22*Jerry slaps Zimsky around a bit with a large fishbot
02:22*Jerry slaps Zimsky around a bit with a large fishbot
02:22*Jerry slaps Zimsky around a bit with a large fishbot
02:22*Jerry slaps Zimsky around a bit with a large fishbot
02:22*Jerry slaps Zimsky around a bit with a large fishbot
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02:22<Zimsky>I will cut you
02:22<nate>Guessing he didn't like being called a nazi leader
02:22<nate>I can only imagine why not
02:23<Zimsky>he wasn't a nazi leader
02:23<FluffyFoxeh>I have no friends, life is fine
02:23<Zimsky>he was the leader of the national fascist party
02:23<Zimsky>and nate, your misinterpretation of my words only advances my amusement further
02:24<nate>Zimsky: He and hitler became pretty BFF towards the end, he might as well have been
02:24<Zimsky>"might as well have been" does not constitute being
02:24<nate>And yes, my misinterpretation that you implied I like dictators and assholes. If that were true I would definitely be in love with you lol
02:24<Zimsky>but you are in love with me
02:24<Zimsky>denial only leads to frustration
02:25<Zimsky>be one with your feelings, nate
02:25<Zimsky>ミ▰˘◡˘▰彡
02:25<nate>Uh huh, well when I become the one constantly highlighting you for silly things like you frequently do to me, I might agree to that :P
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02:26<Jerry>REBORN!
02:27<Jerry>ok.. it works..
02:27<Jerry>somehow muted by system
02:29<Jerry>where's everyone ?
02:29<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72774#p72774>
02:29<Jerry>exit
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02:32<nate>Jerry: Technically you were muted for spamming, changing your IP will generally just get you re-banned for evasion lol
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02:37<Jerry>re-banned?
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02:39<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72775#p72775>
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02:49<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72777#p72777>
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02:59<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72780#p72780> || Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72779#p72779>
03:09<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72782#p72782> || Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72781#p72781>
03:12<FluffyFoxeh>lol smilies
03:14<dwfreed>up to 171 posts on the forum
03:14<dwfreed>I shouldn't post again, though, because I'm in the perfect spot
03:14<dwfreed>42 on the member list, sorted by post count
03:18<JeremyE77>I am never sure why people get upset. I never came in expecting a "turn key" solution. It was never advertised as one (at the time anyway).
03:19<dwfreed>the template should at least function properly, though
03:19<dwfreed>I consider non-working IPv6 to be not functioning properly
03:19<JeremyE77>That is true. This is a poor example. :(
03:19<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72783#p72783>
03:20<dwfreed>(linbot only checks for forum posts every 10 minutes)
03:21<millisa>I don't think i have anything *but* centos linodes at this point. 5, 6 and 7 (ones even cpanel). haven't hit any of these weird issues folks have had crop up recently.
03:21<dwfreed>millisa: Linode may have rerolled the CentOS 7 template to get the latest updates or something
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03:22<millisa>could be. the last one I spun up was before thanksgiving.
03:22<Zimsky>"4JHAACK71"
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03:22<Zimsky>xolotl, the aztec god of death
03:22<dwfreed>Zimsky: auto generated identifier
03:22<Zimsky>cool
03:23<Zimsky>dwfreed: I k n o w
03:23<Zimsky>hence my remark
03:23<dwfreed>the server ID is 4JH; the user's identifier on that server is AACK71
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03:23<Zimsky>אױ װײ
03:25<JeremyE77>And 4 rocks is one stone
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03:26<Zimsky>JeremyE77: is that a BIPM standard
03:26<Stephen>Who is Linode sales?
03:26<dwfreed>Stephen: this is the community, but we can probably answer your real questions if you just ask those instead :)
03:27<JeremyE77>Two zebras on a parch bench with Motorola TAC phones hoping someone calls.
03:27<Stephen>Do they have Chat support 24/7 ?
03:27<dwfreed>they provide 24/7 ticket, phone, and email support
03:27<dwfreed>there is no live chat support, really
03:28<Stephen>Thanks dwfreed
03:29<dwfreed>there are staff members that hang out in this channel, but they cannot provide support about account specific issues here, just general stuff, which we can answer too
03:30<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72786#p72786> || Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72785#p72785>
03:37<nate>Hm, suddenly wonder if linode will ever offer any DoD SRG compliant services
03:37<dwfreed>probably not
03:37<nate>Sadly at least not within my timeline no :P
03:38<nate>last I saw there still aren't many claiming they are
03:40<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • pip does not work <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14569&p=72788#p72788> || Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72787#p72787>
03:40<Stephen>@dwfreed You are their customer?
03:40<nate>dwfreed: The majority of us lurking in here are linode customers
03:43<Stephen>What is there to lurk here?
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03:45<nate>Updates on linode stuff, any status events, simple socialization amongst fellow customers/geeks/etc. It's IRC, who ever needed reasons to lurk? :P
03:46<JamesTK>:D
03:47<Zimsky>yay it's JamesTK
03:47<JamesTK>hi Zimsky's anus
03:47<Zimsky>hello
03:50<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72789#p72789>
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03:54<JeremyE77>How long we gonna ignore the Diagnostic code? Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "admin"
03:55<JeremyE77>Wietse always...always lets ya know whats ups when in his code :)
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04:00<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72791#p72791> || Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72790#p72790>
04:02<JeremyE77>This is a long shot...but I am trying around before I dig to far into it. Anyone have experience with Commerce 2 on Drupal 8? Specifically, a product wherein the customer can enter there own price ( donation )?
04:02<JeremyE77>their
04:02<JeremyE77>or know of a better solution that is not civiCRM (gawd I hate that thing)
04:04<JeremyE77>I am thinking I can just hook into order pre-save and add to the item price. :-/
04:08<JeremyE77>I think I am on my own...I should have done this project on version 7, heh
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04:20<JeremyE77>This might be easier than I thought. You can just script an order. Bing bang boom.
04:20<JeremyE77>That was a lot of stress over nothing
04:22<arlen>•ᴗ•
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04:30<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72792#p72792>
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04:38<JamesTK>who wants to get hit by 1gbit?
04:38<JamesTK>;)
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04:54<Zimsky>JamesTK: your aunt
04:54<JamesTK>no
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05:26<Debashis>hello
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05:27<Debashis>how are you?
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05:28<linuxnoob>sup
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05:28<Zimsky>guten Tag
05:28<Zimsky>make JamesTK great again
05:29<JamesTK>:D
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05:29<James>Whodat
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05:31<Zinsky>Hi
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05:31<Zimsky>Zimsky sounds like a chump
05:35<linuxnoob>shots fired
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06:05<k1m0>hi all
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06:05<csnxs>hi
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06:11<JeremyE77>Push my code pull my changes. That's how I while away the night......In the merry old land of.......Linode
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06:12<JamesTK>\o/
06:15<JeremyE77>If I didn't like it. I wouldn't do it :-)
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06:58<Cromulent>the painful day has come - I might need to consider writing a wordpress plugin - god help me
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07:03<Knofte>Cromulent: are you sure?
07:03<Knofte>"everything that can be invented has been invented"
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07:04<Cromulent>Knofte: I could see if there are any graphing solutions out there - basically I want to take what I've done in Excel and make it look good on my blog
07:05<Knofte>screenshot*
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07:05<Cromulent>yeah I guess
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07:06<Cromulent>would be nice if it was SVG graphs so I can scale them
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07:07<imthiaz>I am unable to connect to one of my linodes
07:10<dzho>imthiaz: you mean, even through the management interface or lish you cannot connect?
07:13<imthiaz>I can connect to lish but not through SSH remotely
07:13<imthiaz>I am not able to connect to that system even from another linode I have
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07:28<imthiaz>@ dzho prooblem resolved.. some networking issue with centos 7 and linode networking
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07:44<video>hi
07:44<video>i want purchase your hosting package
07:44<video>Linode 4GB
07:45<video>how much uploading limit on your server
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07:45<ponas>traffic going to the server is not counted
07:45<DrJ>3TB out, unlimited in
07:46<video>i have video portal
07:46<video>how much uploading limit for video on y
07:46<nate>video: The pricing page states the total outbound 'traffic' per package before you get charged extra
07:47<nate>as others already said, upstream (data -to- the server) is not counted towards any limits
07:48<DrJ>also, if by upload you mean disk space... you'll get 48GB of disk to store the videos on
07:48<DrJ>*if by upload limit
07:48<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/pricing <--it's all right here
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08:00<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • [SOLVED] CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72793#p72793>
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08:41<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • [SOLVED] CentOS 7 and IPv6 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14570&p=72794#p72794>
08:42<gbit>is sad that we can't see the status of the main server anymore.
08:43<DrJ>?
08:44<gbit>on the right side of the page, on Host tab.
08:45<arlen>hmm yeah
08:45<gbit>it was possible to see the load (low, medium, high) for the host
08:45<gbit>I'm sure not to long ago
08:46<DrJ>hmm, never noticed a "Host" tab
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08:47<gbit>when you click on a linode, you will see
08:47<DrJ>I did, still not seeing
08:47<DrJ>there is a host section on the right that says what host I'm on
08:47<DrJ>but that's all it has ever shown
08:48<gbit>err no, it used to show the load too
08:49<gbit>and I miss it :(
08:49<DrJ>guess I never noticed a load status there
08:50<gbit>I'm sure they have a really good reason to rip that off
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09:00<arlen>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Linode-Manager.png shows the host load
09:05<gbit>yes, thanks arlen
09:06<arlen>I think I saw it last week but not sure
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09:10<gbit>it was a little bit different, minimalist
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09:19<MajObviousman>something going on in dallas? I can't reach my oldest linode on any of its IPs
09:19<cruxeternus><-- Dallas
09:19<cruxeternus>No latency here.
09:20<MajObviousman>yeah, so super weird thing, my standing ssh connection to it is still active, but any new attempts are getting no route to hose
09:20<cruxeternus>:o
09:20<MajObviousman>this irc bouncer is on the linode in question.
09:21<cruxeternus>Can linbot ping it?
09:21<MajObviousman>http://i.imgur.com/tJ24ZLl.jpg
09:21<cruxeternus>lool
09:22<cruxeternus>I'm guessing you're on Comcast. So I'm gonna blame Comcast.
09:22<MajObviousman>Frontier, so equivalent thinking is appropriate
09:22<cruxeternus>o
09:23<cruxeternus>I just tested to see if I could establish a new SSH connection. It worked. :P
09:23<MajObviousman>to what node?
09:23<MajObviousman>yours?
09:23<cruxeternus>Yours, naturally.
09:23<cruxeternus>jk :P
09:24<cruxeternus>The node this bouncer is on. :)
09:26<cruxeternus>Does SSH root@secspeed.com have a route?
09:31<MajObviousman>ok, now it's back again. wtf
09:32<cruxeternus>You've been NSA'd. Initiate emergency procedures.
09:32<MajObviousman>I'm going to say that you fixed it
09:33<MajObviousman>whatever it is you did, hang on to that and be ready to do it again
09:33<cruxeternus>I'll take the credit.
09:33<cruxeternus>Only the first ones free though.
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09:36<MajObviousman>I'll give you virtual gummy bears
09:42<MajObviousman>I think it must be on my side somehow
09:42<MajObviousman>mail log shows it was getting connections during the period I couldn't reach it
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09:55<HoopyCat>MajObviousman: it was probably your router
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10:01<mrjayribs>what should my permission and owners be for FTP?
10:01<cruxeternus>secure and trusted
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10:05<dzho>mrjayribs: do you mean sftp?
10:06<dzho>because if you're using ftp, it should only be for outgoing material that doesn't need any special ownership or permission structure: it's only good for world-readable stuff.
10:06<mrjayribs>dzho: Oh okay. What's the best way to upload websites then?
10:07<dzho>sftp
10:07<dzho>I mean "best" is operationally defined.
10:07<dzho>best for one situation is not necessarily best for another.
10:08<dzho>I think these days a lot of people will use http transport and some sort of web application or another, using POST methods or whatnot.
10:08<dzho>and, well, that's a whole set of web application design questions, not really my strength.
10:09<mrjayribs>dzho: I see. Okay. Before I was using FireFTP when I had my own hosting. But know i have a linode and it's a bit different.
10:09<dzho>mrjayribs: what exactly are you trying to do?
10:09<mrjayribs>dzho: I'm just hosting a static html page
10:09<dzho>mrjayribs: looks like fireftp does sftp so that should be ok
10:09<dzho>TIL about FireFTP
10:10<dzho>so, thanks for that mrjayribs
10:10<mrjayribs>dzho: Oh cool. I didn't know that. What do you mean by TIL?
10:10<dzho>today I learned
10:12<mrjayribs>dzho: Ah cool! I'm glad. Yeah I'm having a hard time getting connected with it though. FileZilla hooked me up right away. Have some issues with FireFTP
10:13<mrjayribs>dzho: What do you use your Linode for?
10:13<dzho>mrjayribs: well, you want to be very sure you are using openssh for sftp and not some non-secure ftp server.
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10:13<dzho>of which there are many, as a legacy of the very long time in which the pre-commercial internet got away with using non-secure ftp
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10:15<dzho>mrjayribs: the usual, generalized data accessibility, storage on a site which I can reach over various protocols knowing it'll be reachable reliably on the remote end because of the nature of the linode service.
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10:17<mrjayribs>dzho: classic. and how do I make sure I'm using openssh for sftp?
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10:18<dzho>mrjayribs: depends on the distro you're running on your linode. Were I you, I would not ask for installation advice at this level from strangers on the internet generally, but would consult, for instance, the linode library for details.
10:20<mrjayribs>dzho: Gotcha. Yeah there is a lot of information out in the library :D very interesting puzzle, but it can get frustrating.
10:21<DrJ>anyone here ever set up a pptp server on linode and experiance terrible speeds over it (Disclaimer: I know pptp is not the best protocol and any comments about how I should not use it will be ignored :) )
10:22<gparent>feel free to ignore this comment about how trying to debug stuff that shouldn't be used is nonsense in my mind
10:22<gparent>the wonders of business
10:22<DrJ>I'm clocking in at a whopping 247Kbps
10:24*cruxeternus feels free to chuckle.
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10:29<microvb>having some trouble with one of my boxes. it isn't responding on any port. I can use Lish to login, and have even disabled the firewall to no avail.
10:33<vgalvis> Good day, a question, I have hosted a website in the Dallas datacenter, I want to create the same website as mirror in singapure, with linode I have this service?
10:40<dzho>no
10:41<dzho>you can set up hosting on linode, but you'll have to set up the mirroring yourself.
10:41<dzho>unless you pay for additional services from them.
10:44<vgalvis> What additional services can I hire that will allow me to update the changes of my other website automatically?
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10:46<microvb>is there anyway to tell what kernel i was running before
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10:47<relidy>!to vgalvis pro
10:47<linbot>vgalvis: https://www.linode.com/professional-services
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10:47<microvb>the config seemed to have switched this box back to automatically update the kernel -- which is the root of my problems
10:48<vgalvis>Thanks!
10:48<dzho>microvb: I'd rummage around in logs probably for that?
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10:50<microvb>i am... but seeing hints of 4.4.4 --- to make matters worse, i ran upcp (cpanel update) after the kernel was swapped ...
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10:51<dzho>I'm not finding any signs on mine.
10:52<dzho>some of the things I do, I'll dump a uname -a into a log, but that won't help you now :\
10:52<microvb>i dunno why it switched from fixed to automatic
10:52<microvb>-.-
10:54<microvb>this is pissing me off
10:54<microvb>all services are running --- why is there no outside access to the box
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10:56<microvb>is there a routing issue ?
10:57<relidy>microvb: Is that machine in Atlanta? There were some issues Tuesday night that sound a lot like that.
10:58<microvb>newark
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11:07<@mcintosh>microvb: do you have a ticket open by any chance?
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11:08<microvb>I have just finished opening the ticket
11:09<microvb>7527748
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11:09<microvb>I ran cpanels upcp script on both this box and another box (noted in the ticket). The other box has no issues, but this one is just being funny.
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11:10*microvb panics
11:11<@mcintosh>microvb: output of systemctl status -l NetworkManager.service ?
11:11<microvb>:)
11:11<microvb>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pbRjIE4r/
11:11<microvb>good call .... inactive (dead)
11:11<microvb>o.0
11:12<@mcintosh>enable it and then restart network.service
11:12<@mcintosh>systemctl enable NetworkManager.service && systemctl restart network.service
11:14<microvb>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hvNK96pF/
11:14<microvb>still no external access
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11:15<stavallo>Hello, I have a question related billing
11:15<microvb>and status of Network Manager after running that is still dead
11:15<microvb>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hlz2Ovec/
11:16<stavallo>is it possible to pay the monthly bill through a bank transfer instead of credit card?
11:16<@mcintosh>stavallo: only if you have a very, very large monthly bill
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11:17<@mcintosh>microvb: systemctl start NetworkManager.service && systemctl status -l NetworkManager.service
11:17<@mcintosh>what does that give you?
11:20<stavallo>mcintosh: thank you
11:21<microvb>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lIOVZcz8/
11:21<microvb>masked the server as 'masked.com'
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11:22<@mcintosh>microvb: okay, now that we're sure it's running can you try a restart on Network.service once more?
11:22<microvb>`systemctl restart network.service` right ?
11:23<microvb>there we go... i see traffic incoming
11:24<microvb>how can i make sure this stays running ?
11:24<microvb>kind of need that service lol
11:24<cruxeternus>systemd-ead
11:25<@mcintosh>microvb: you're fine now that it's enabled
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11:25<microvb>was meaning through reboots
11:25<microvb>also thank you :)
11:25<@mcintosh>now that it's enabled it'll start on every boot
11:26<@mcintosh>there's a bug in the Network Helper tool that only affects a subset of centos 7 deployments -- if network manager is not enabled it results in a broken networking config
11:26<dzho>:\
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11:27<@mcintosh>should be fixed very soon :)
11:27<@mcintosh>and you're quite welcome, microvb!
11:27<microvb>sounds like lots of fun :) what's weird is the box has been running for months and just did this now lol
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11:32<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:41<cbirk>l337 ^
11:41<microvb>mcintosh: rated on the ticket :)
11:42<microvb>not sure if you see it, but as a sysadmin i believe you do !
11:42<microvb>ticket can be closed
11:46<@mcintosh>microvb: <3 will go ahead and do so for ya :)
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12:40<Kniaz>hi. i have linode with debian 8.2. what is the command to update it to debian 8.7? will that require reboot and selecting of new kernel in linode profile manager?
12:40<react>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
12:42<react>(if a kernel is identified and held back, dist-upgrade)
12:48<Kniaz>just ran apt-get update && apt-get ipgrade. restart required or no?
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12:49<react>honestly, personally, it depends on the extent of the upgrade
12:51<react>if libraries like libssl, libcrypt, etc. were upgraded then you'll have outstanding maps that are arguably easier to clean up with a reboot, than hunting down each and every associated service
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12:52<gparent>if you don't really care about uptime rebooting once is a nice way to make sure you have the latest kernel and dynamic linking
12:52<react>TL,DR, if application availability isn't an issue, sure, restart
12:52<react>gparent: ^5
12:52<gparent>yeah im just rewriting things you said better :)
12:52<gparent>you already said better than me*
12:53<react>;)
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15:20<mmustac>so I know this isnt exactly linode related but Im really desperate and at the end of my rope herE1
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15:21<Eugene>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NMTDVK2
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15:22<mmustac>I recently released a solid loaf in my D-pants after hours of extreme attempts otherwish, both mentally and physically. Sadly it happanend. Anyone know what can I expect?
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15:23<mmustac>also, thx for the link Eugene, might comd in handy for tieing off the bottoms
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15:24<csnxs>Eugene, does that work when times get rough?
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15:25<Eugene>I prefer glow-in-the-dark myself
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16:28<Cromulent>is disqus a good way to stop wordpress comment spam - I get so much spam that I just delete without reading that I might miss the odd real comment
16:28<Cromulent>?
16:29<JeremyE77>Seems that might be a sign to just quit comments :P
16:29<Cromulent>I quite like the idea of being able to engage with people especially on a new blog I'm about to start
16:29<JeremyE77>I hear good things about disqus (for a comment system) though. I haven't used it live though.
16:29<Cromulent>answering questions and what have you
16:30<Cromulent>I've got it on one blog but it isn't wordpress
16:30<@mquatrani>Cromulent: Askismet is supposed to be good https://wordpress.org/plugins/akismet/
16:31<JeremyE77>Mollum or Disqus seems to be the Drupal solution. I am not much into the Wordpress circle.
16:31<Cromulent>mquatrani: I thought you had to pay for akismet now to get the API key? Maybe I'm wrong I'll check it out
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16:32<@mquatrani>They are free for personal sites, but paid for commercial sites
16:33<JeremyE77>https://www.mollom.com/download
16:33<JeremyE77>If you get less than 50 comments its a good free solution :P
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16:34<Cromulent>this is a brand new site but I'm expecting to have to answer questions because it is quite technical
16:34<Cromulent>not sure if it would be classed as a business though - I certainly want to make a little money from it
16:35<FluffyFoxeh>akismet wants you to pay if you make a *profit*
16:35<FluffyFoxeh>IIRC
16:35<ponas>:O
16:36<Cromulent>hmm
16:36<JeremyE77>It seems the barrier to entry should be pretty low for those things...in order to increase the sample size.
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16:39<SleePy>Hmm, that block storage pre-announcement..
16:39<JeremyE77>hmm, that power outage
16:39<millisa>mmm, these cheetos
16:39<JeremyE77>Could they go together?
16:39<SleePy>Lights are on over here, not my problem!
16:41<JeremyE77>I expect block storage about the time that manager gets written :P
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16:49<@mcintosh>JeremyE77: you can watch it being written https://github.com/linode/manager :)
16:49<JeremyE77>It's slow!
16:49<JeremyE77>I kid.
16:50<JeremyE77>I prolly wouldn't like the change if it was released anyway. HAH!@
16:50<HoopyCat>i've been watching it for 30 seconds now and it hasn't moved. worst video stream ever
16:51<SleePy>Node. I need node :(
16:56<alexf>Cromulent: I use disqus for WP comments and get 0 spam
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17:02<Cromulent>alexf: cool thanks - I think I'll use disqus as it seems like a reasonable choice - so that'll be three wordpress blogs I've got to configure tomorrow shouldn't take long
17:03<alexf>Cromulent: where are you hosting them?
17:04<Cromulent>Linode
17:04<alexf>Oh...
17:04<Cromulent>why?
17:05<Cromulent>I've still got two Pelican blogs on DO but I might move them over as well
17:05<alexf>Oh, no reason
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17:06<Cromulent>I would have thought you'd have known - I've been in this channel for years now :)
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17:06<Cromulent>it would be a bit weird to hang out in a web hosting channel you didn't use
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17:08<react>why would it be weird?
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17:11<Cromulent>react: just seems a bit odd I guess unless you really like the people here I guess
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17:29<poopfeast420>Does Linode charge europeans a VAT?
17:32<Cromulent>no
17:34<JeremyE77>You can deposit it in my account...if you like.
17:34<poopfeast420>What are they going to do when they get fined for taxes they did not collect?
17:34<csnxs>pay the fine?
17:34<dwfreed>^
17:35<Cromulent>the UK might not fall under those rules soon enough :)
17:35<poopfeast420>I don't think they could afford to pay the fines at that point
17:35<JeremyE77>or pull an Apple and say they gonna and just maybe never do it...
17:35<dwfreed>poopfeast420: you'd be surprised at how much money Linode has :)
17:36<csnxs>Cromulent, yes, because nobody will be able to afford to pay taxes :)
17:36<poopfeast420>How much does Linode have?
17:36<@mcintosh>$1
17:36<csnxs>lots
17:36<poopfeast420>Yes I would be surprised if they could pay the fines after every country levied their substantial fines on them on top of the VAT they already owe.
17:36<millisa>400k customers in a couple year old announcement I saw. even if they were all $10/month linodes...
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17:36<dwfreed>besides, companies generally don't have to pay it all at once anyway
17:37<JordanJ2>Cromulent, I'm here and don't use Linode
17:37<JordanJ2>Although am considering it.
17:37<Cromulent>JordanJ2: fair enough
17:37<dwfreed>the EU is not going to bankrupt a company just because they didn't pay VAT
17:37<JordanJ2>How's your experience been Cromulent?
17:37<poopfeast420>They have to set some examples otherwise nobody will care about it.
17:37<dwfreed>Cromulent: I've hung out here for a while and not been an active customer
17:37<poopfeast420>Linode is a good candidate
17:38<dwfreed>poopfeast420: hahahaha
17:38<Cromulent>JordanJ2: pretty good although I only own a $10 Linode - I've been with them on and off since 2010
17:38<csnxs>JordanJ2, believe it or not I'm not Cromulent, but Linode is the best thing ever!
17:38<dwfreed>poopfeast420: that will do them *a lot* more harm than good
17:38<JordanJ2>I have way too many servers, so many cut most of them off any get a linode
17:38<dwfreed>people will just stop selling to EU customers, rather than face bankruptcy because somebody wanted to "set an example"
17:39<poopfeast420>As we have seen that is not the case
17:39<dwfreed>[citation needed]
17:39<poopfeast420>Large companies are already collecting the VAT for customers from the EU
17:39<dwfreed>sure, some are choosing to comply with the law
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17:39<dwfreed>I'm talking specifically about the ones that haven't
17:39<Cromulent>dwfreed: hmm the EU is the worlds largest economic area - stopping selling to it would be painful
17:39<csnxs>pfft, who needs the law
17:40<dwfreed>Cromulent: the US + China outstrips that
17:40<dwfreed>Cromulent: the rest of the world is larger than the EU
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17:40<Cromulent>dwfreed: no shit
17:40<poopfeast420>Stopping to sell to customers from the EU also does not absolve them of the VAT they already owe.
17:41<William__>Hi. I just got a survey scam served to me via Linode. Does Linode allow dodgy "surveys?"
17:41<dwfreed>what's the EU going to do? Linode is a US company
17:41<dwfreed>bit out of their jurisdiction
17:41<millisa>I'd like to impose my own tax on the EU.
17:42<millisa>I have just as much right to dictate what happens to their money, right?
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17:42<@mcintosh>William__: can you email abuse@linode.com about it? we'll be glad to investigate
17:42<millisa>besides, I wanted to get some new coins for board game tokens
17:42<Cromulent>dwfreed: to be fair if it was unenforceable then why are so many US companies charging and paying VAT to the EU?
17:43<Cromulent>DO charge VAT for instance
17:43<millisa>they probably have more of a presense/interest in their product or employees being there.
17:43<dwfreed>because they have some presence in the EU beyond just a few servers?
17:43<poopfeast420>Having a presence is not the criteria.
17:43<Cromulent>^
17:43<dwfreed>I'm well aware of that
17:43<William__>Just e-mailed them.
17:43<dwfreed>But not having a presence makes it a lot harder for the EU to actually do anything if you don't collect the VAT
17:44<Eugene>I propose that we tax digits at the end of IRC nicknames
17:44<Eugene>The tax is death
17:44<dwfreed>Eugene: that can be arranged
17:44<dwfreed>(/whois dwfreed)
17:44<Cromulent>dwfreed: pretty sure that if the EU confiscated London and Frankfurt servers it would screw Linode up more than it would upset the EU
17:44<dwfreed>Cromulent: not really
17:45<Eugene>Furthermore, anybody caught with a _ should be hung by their bollocks
17:45<poopfeast420>By failing to collect the VAT Linode is omitting to themselves that they are irrelevant.
17:45<dwfreed>you go ahead and think that
17:45<dwfreed>and maybe figure out some grammar while you're at it
17:45<dwfreed>because that sentence as written does not make sense
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17:46<Cromulent>pretty sure the next step in this argument is someone mentioning hitler
17:46<JeremyE77>Might it be that a "linode" falls into some type of "wholesale" provision. I mean, excluding the fact that Linode is not VAT registered (that I am aware).
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17:47<dwfreed>JeremyE77: nah, under the law they're subject to VAT
17:47<Eugene>Cromulent - https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU
17:48<JeremyE77>I see. It's not like sales tax from Amazon where you just claim it yourself (or not).
17:48<dwfreed>nope
17:48<dwfreed>also Amazon has started collecting sales tax on certain purchases
17:48<dwfreed>mostly ones where they're not just facilitating the sale
17:48<JeremyE77>(for example :))
17:48<Eugene>Ignoring business law is an American pastime. If you don't want to pay a tax, don't. If nobody complains then you didn't need to pay it anyway
17:49<Eugene>If they do complain, sue them until it goes away or pay the fine - its probably less than the tax would have been
17:49<Nivex>That strategy could even get you elected President!
17:49<JeremyE77>If they made it easier to know all the taxes they expect you to pay and which ones you shouldn't it might help. I have to take a new class every year!
17:51<Cromulent>Eugene: heh :)
17:51<Cromulent>tax is complex
17:53<JeremyE77>I think more people should take them to task for collecting more than they should :P They certainly come back for their share when you miss (oh, $5000 in income :P )
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17:54<Cromulent>I wonder if the UK is going to keep its same VAT laws when we leave the EU - people have been talking about us becoming a tax haven but of course that only applies to businesses and not joe public
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17:55<Eugene>Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia
17:56<millisa>Eastasia are our friends.
17:56<JeremyE77>Is "contemporary fit" code for "chunky" in clothing?
17:57<JeremyE77>I hate bell shaped shirts
17:58<Eugene>I honestly don't know what the kids are wearing these days. Is goth back in yet?
17:59<JeremyE77>I just wish I knew the code word for this shirt is not a bell
17:59<JeremyE77>I guess I will have to leave the house. No place carries carries tall and skinny physically though :(
18:00<JeremyE77>big AND tall, not, big OR tall.
18:01<millisa>hyuge and orange
18:02<JeremyE77>The tumpeters are quiet this week.
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18:12<Cromulent>time to buy a raspberry pi 3 model b I think
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18:12<Cromulent>much better than my original model
18:13<millisa>just one?
18:13<Cromulent>just one to play with yes - I want to get into EE a bit and I thought the raspberry pi would be quite cool for some little projects
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18:14<JeremyE77>By lots. My brother did some of the engineering on one of the chips those use.
18:14<JeremyE77>by=buy
18:14<Cromulent>cool :)
18:14<JeremyE77>Probably networking...since that what he do. I didn't get details. It was a short visit.
18:15<Cromulent>gah sold out
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18:19<Cromulent>hmm didn't know the Pi 3 supported hardware virtualisation
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18:20<millisa>sold out? I forget where you are. several places have them on the shelf here now and there's lots of vendors for them amazon (most are adding a couple bucks onto the base price, but it's usually reasonable)
18:21<Cromulent>I'm in England
18:22<Cromulent>ah due back in stock on the 27th - I can wait that long
18:22<Cromulent>I'd rather get it from the official distributor
18:22<millisa>£44.99 for the pi, official case, a 16gb sd card and a transformer. that's not awful
18:22<Cromulent>yeah not bad
18:23<millisa>https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/B01CI58722
18:23<Cromulent>thanks
18:24<millisa>'pi hut' is pretty reputable too, if you see their stuff up
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18:33<JeremyE77>'member when that thing was like a $4000 computer?
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18:35<Niko>Aloha!
18:35<millisa>Greetings
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18:41<Eugene>Yo
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18:42<Zimsky>مرحبا
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18:46<xavax>Gabon.
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18:53<JP>hello
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18:54<JP>do you have any articles of how to load a custom iso for deployment on my linode account
18:54<Eugene>!custom
18:54<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/running-a-custom-linux-distro-on-a-linode-vps
18:54<millisa>Did you see this? https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/custom-distro-on-kvm-linode
18:55<millisa>There are others here: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/
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18:55<Eugene>It is possible(but not easy) to directly boot an ISO on a LInode via pv_grub; I can't recommend that route
18:56<dwfreed>direct disk boot
18:57<dwfreed>you keep forgetting about that
18:57<dwfreed>Eugene: also, using grub to boot an iso is actually pretty easy; use memdisk from syslinux to do it
18:57<dwfreed>memdisk is your kernel, the iso is your initrd
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18:58<Eugene>Not all ISOs are built correctly for that, and everything is easy if you know how. Random new user asking on IRC probably does not know how, and I'm not explaining it
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19:00<@mtjones>JP: If you're looking to deploy your own custom iso rapidly across multiple Linodes, then you can deploy as Eugene mentioned then use our Images system: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-images
19:01<@mtjones>Or, clone the Linode: https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/clone-your-linode
19:01<Eugene>Unless I'm really, really mistaken, Images works with ext4 filesystems, not ISOs that are uploaded..... but what do I know
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19:02<@mtjones>Eugene: Our Backup system is only compatible with EXT 3 and EXT 4. The Image system will copy the entire disk. Whatever happens to be on it gets moved.
19:03<JP>one more question
19:03<Eugene>mtjones - JP's original question was "load a custom iso".......
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19:04<JP>is it posible to install a linode image with another kernel or do i have to change it manually after the installation
19:04<Eugene>Linode-provided Distros use the Linode-provided kernel. If you load a custom distro it will use whatever kenel that has.
19:05<JeremyE77>Would it be easier to look at it this way? You can have an out of the box experience with a pre-rolled image or a machine with a boot loader.
19:05<JeremyE77>and anything between...I guess
19:06<@mcintosh>all of the recommended distros support booting into distro-supplied kernels via GRUB2 by default now, fwiw
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19:07<@mtjones>And, on the other side of things, you can use our kernels with your own custom distro, as long as they're compatible.
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19:10<JeremyE77>4.9 did something magical to my development web server but I have been to lazy to figure out what.
19:11*relidy strains to withhold snark on being too lazy to add that extra 'o'
19:12<JeremyE77>I deserve it :)
19:12<relidy>:)
19:12<relidy><- Self-professed grammar jerk.
19:14<JeremyE77>I proofread in another job. I really should be better. I just have a horrible casual attitude in chat for some reason. I think everyone know what I know or something.
19:15<relidy>Heh, I do too much proofreading here in the office. It's not part of my job at all, but it hurts so much to see unedited crap go out that I've inserted myself into the pipeline for some of the more important stuff.
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19:17<JeremyE77>Maybe people who proof go casual and people who do not go extra perfect, heh
19:18<Zimsky>relidy: heil das Wörterbuch
19:21<zifnab>Zimsky: Derr Mann eist einen Weisser Apfel
19:21<zifnab>Wasser?
19:21<zifnab>Wasser.
19:25*relidy was trying to avoid going full Godwin's Law, but it seems we've arrived there circuitously.
19:26<HoopyCat>Godwin's Law was repealed about a month ago, so it's all good
19:26<cruxeternus>by executive order? :P
19:26<relidy>Ha!
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19:32<JeremyE77>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1hnBv12-uk
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19:48<Zimsky>zifnab: the man is a white apple?
19:48<Zimsky>what
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19:48<Zimsky>or water apple?
19:49<zifnab>The man eats a water apple
19:49<Zimsky>relidy: we haven't hit godwin's law
19:49<Zimsky>speaking german != nazism
19:49<zifnab>Waisser?
19:49<Zimsky>if only the west would realise this.
19:49<Zimsky>like nate
19:49<Zimsky>hate for nate
19:49<zifnab>Idk.
19:49<Zimsky>zifnab: what are you trying to say?
19:50<JeremyE77>What are some kind of Hitler? Don't tell me what languages mean what!
19:50<zifnab>I only did one lesson in Duolingo. Those are the only words I remembered
19:50<zifnab>The man eats an apple. And water.
19:50<Zimsky>Wasser == water
19:50<Zimsky>Weiß = white
19:50<zifnab>Eichör
19:50<zifnab>Eichörnchen!
19:51<Zimsky>Der Mann trinkt Wasser*
19:51<Zimsky>you don't eat water
19:51<Zimsky>much like you don't drink a burger (normally)
19:51*millisa goes to register burgershake.com
19:51<zifnab>Have you never had a water apple?
19:51<zifnab>They're delicious
19:51<Zimsky>ever had squirrel?
19:51<zifnab>Eichörnchen!
19:51<Zimsky>oder Känguru?
19:52<JeremyE77>Tough gamey and hardly meaty
19:52<Zimsky>sehr lecker
19:52<zifnab>I have had kangaroo Zimsky
19:52<Zimsky>same
19:52<zifnab>Ask Eugene
19:52<Zimsky>I try not to talk to Eugene
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19:52<Eugene>A good idea really
19:52<zifnab>It was for his dog. It was kinda nasty.
19:52<Zimsky>I get that tingly feeling of uncertainty in my elbow
19:52<Zimsky>really I do
19:52<zifnab>Eugene: dinner plans at all?
19:53<Eugene>None so far
19:53<zifnab>Hannerz still working?
19:53<Zimsky>gonna go on a hot date?
19:53<Eugene>She should be home before 6
19:53<zifnab>K. I'd be up for food.
19:53<zifnab>If you guys are
19:53<zifnab>Just not poke this time.
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19:53<Zimsky>JamesTK: let's stick it to zifnab and get pizza and chips
19:54<zifnab>Are chips French fries there
19:54<Zimsky>no, they're chips
19:54<Zimsky>like I just said
19:54<Zimsky>fries are fries, chips are chips, crisps are crisps
19:54<Zimsky>petroleum is petroleum
19:54<Zimsky>gas is gas
19:54<Zimsky>a stable democratic process is a stable democratic process
19:54<Zimsky>:D
19:54<Eugene>What does #linode have to do with the horse presidency
19:55<Zimsky>who said it was a presidency?
19:55<Zimsky>we have a sultan
19:55<Eugene>Sortition or GTFO
19:55<Zimsky>speaking of which, how fucking cool is Hassanal Bolkiah
19:56<zifnab>What's his view on global warming
19:56<Zimsky>what global warming?
19:56<zifnab>Cat is sleeping https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/R5WLMaJJ/1487292984.JPG
19:57<zifnab>It's something that you don't have to worry about because you'll die of skin cancer before it happens
19:57<zifnab>I think. Statistically speaking.
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19:57<zifnab>Or a spider bite. Or drop bears.
19:58<Zimsky>I live on the moon anyway
19:58<Zimsky>can't have climate change if you don't have a climate *taps head*
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20:00<Eugene>We could BBQ
20:01<Eugene>Oh, you rearranged
20:01<Zimsky>could we?
20:01<Zimsky>awesome
20:01<Zimsky>I'll bring the steak and salt
20:01<Eugene>I could BBQ up here
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20:02<Zimsky>Eugene: realistically if I were to attend a barbecue I'd probably just sit in a corner eating chips and glaring at people
20:02<Eugene>Thats what zifnab does
20:03<Zimsky>should an opportunity for such an occasion arise, please provide chairs in separate corners
20:03<zifnab>Eugene I rearranged and every time that door opens the cat bolts
20:03<zifnab>I'd rather just not open it
20:03<zifnab>I don't want to have to catch her outside
20:03<Zimsky>cash me ousside
20:03<Zimsky>howbowdah
20:04<zifnab>What the fuck is that from
20:04<Eugene>!to zifnab urmom
20:04<linbot>zifnab: Go away.
20:05<zifnab>!urmom
20:05<linbot>zifnab: Go away.
20:05<zifnab>Huh
20:06<dwfreed>linbot is busted
20:06<Eugene>urmom is busted
20:06<dwfreed>mcintosh broke it
20:06<zifnab>I blame drussell
20:06<zifnab>Although I assume with the turnover no one remembers him
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20:07<zifnab>Or akerl.
20:07<JeremyE77>Let him loose with the twitterbots. Free range.
20:08<dwfreed>zifnab: pepperidge farm remembers
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20:09<Eugene>Streets is watchin'
20:10<Eugene>Dashboard feature request: age of account vs age of employee in Tickets
20:11<zifnab>I've come to realize it's practically impossible to get banned here
20:11<Zimsky>I ordered an mSATA reader because I thought the computer an SSD was in had a board failure and the data needed to be cloned, but now that the reader arrived, the computer works and I can do the transfer via network
20:11<Zimsky>ಠ_ಠ
20:11<JeremyE77>It really is. I feel like I have tried. Short of flooding.
20:11<Eugene>Even flooding only gets you a temporary ban
20:12<Zimsky>california should be temporarily banned
20:12<Eugene>Why? They're the sane ones nowadays
20:12<Zimsky>>flooding
20:12<Zimsky>also I miss arnie
20:12<JeremyE77>The South should be permanently banned (or issued some sense).
20:12<Eugene>#CascadiaRises
20:13<Zimsky>if you could impeach trumplestiltskin and replace with arnie, that'd be perfect
20:14<Zimsky>JeremyE77: but then there would be no one to laugh at
20:14<JeremyE77>OMG. I just got a Google Rewards Survey that was worth $2.10. That's the highest yet...I think. I can download farmcity or something!
20:15<dwfreed>wow
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20:15<dwfreed>my highest one so far was $0.96
20:16<zifnab>I have an iThing
20:16<Eugene>My wife gets $5+ pretty often for having the "female" box checked
20:16<zifnab>Need a working phone and Nexus dies too quickly
20:16<Zimsky>Eugene: how does that work
20:16<JeremyE77>I like that slmost a dollar ones! This one wasn't even one of the long ones, heh
20:16<Eugene>Zimsky - women don't exist on the internet, remember?
20:16<Zimsky>¿
20:16<dwfreed>in the last 4 months, I've made about $5.50
20:16<Zimsky>so millisa was just my imagination
20:16<Zimsky>huh
20:17<Eugene>Statistically, yes.
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20:17<millisa>er...
20:17<millisa>this may come as a shock . . but this is a last name...
20:17<Zimsky>shh just roll with it
20:17<millisa>oh, right. it is thursday.
20:17<Eugene>Google Rewards surveys are based upon demographics. "female" is a sought-after and under-represented one
20:18<Eugene>Whether your shopping habits include dresses or jeans
20:18<Zimsky>does google allow for selecting one of 35 different genders?
20:18<arlen>no
20:18<Eugene>I'm not satisfied until Apache Attack Helicopter is available
20:18<millisa>I identify as a Stack Inserter
20:18<Zimsky>I'm an nginx attack helicopter
20:18<JeremyE77>I put programming languages in thel language slections of online surveys to see how close of attention clients pay to things :)
20:18*Peng rolls eyes
20:18<Eugene>........ok, you got me there. That got an actual laugh
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20:19<zifnab>I should play factorio again
20:19<Zimsky>Google has a way of determining if you're just bullshitting them
20:19<Eugene>I think my server is still up
20:19<zifnab>Is 15 out yet
20:19<Eugene>Nope
20:19<zifnab>Soon
20:20<Eugene>End of next month I think they said?
20:20<millisa>they did a small update to 14.22 a week or so ago. different artifact icon.
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20:21<millisa>i started a new game on Tuesday on the $5 linode. it's actually performing just fine and I'm nearly done with research.
20:21<dwfreed>JeremyE77 / Eugene: OkCupid has two programming languages in the languages list: C++ and Lisp; why those? I have no idea
20:22<Zimsky>the fact you know that says more
20:22<Eugene>Their backend is apparently written in C++, and their 'OkPub' intermediate language is probably Lisp-related
20:23<Eugene>Source: 5 seconds of random googling
20:23<dzho>cf Paul Graham
20:25<Zimsky>"5 seconds of random googling" the most dangerous thing in our society today
20:26*Eugene shamelessly steals that
20:26<Zimsky>"why is there a brown spot on my leg?" - "ITS' DEFINITELY CANCER" - "how much does cancer treatment cost here in freedomland?" - "LOL YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT" - "where do I find doxorubicin for cheap?"
20:27<Zimsky>for those unknowing, doxorubicin is a chemotherapy drug
20:28<zifnab>Just remember: everything can be reduced to a 1/2 chance
20:29<Zimsky>ah yes the professor of quantum statistics
20:29<zifnab>Roll a dice? Chance of 6? Well you get it or you don't. That's 1/2
20:29<Zimsky>zifnab stole that from me
20:29<zifnab>Did I
20:29<Zimsky>just want to make that clear.
20:29<zifnab>I twatted it first
20:29<zifnab>Twitter says so
20:29<Zimsky>twitter also says the jews should be roasted
20:30<zifnab>Tweeted? Twatted? Twit?
20:30<Eugene>Yeah, but Comedy Central will never do a Roast about Jerry Seinfield. Dude's too much of a jerk
20:31<dzho>:(
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20:34<Zimsky>Eugene: you mean Jerry 1/cosec(feld)
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20:35<Zimsky>why is he called Jerry Sine-feld when he always goes off on tangents?
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20:35<blackstar76>hello
20:35<Eugene>Hello.jpg
20:36<@mquatrani>blackstar76: o/
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20:37<blackstar76>i need support :(
20:37<dwfreed>!ask
20:37<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
20:37<Zimsky>you're an awesome person, keep it up!
20:38<blackstar76>i created new acc at linode , but need verify, some one help me :)
20:38<blackstar76>please
20:39<@mquatrani>hi blackstar76: I can take a look
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20:39<blackstar76>dear mquatrani, my account: blackstar76
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20:45<@cmullen>hey blackstar76 did you send in the requested images we asked for?
20:46<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72795#p72795>
20:46<blackstar76>i send 9-10hours ago
20:47<@cmullen>cool I'll take a look
20:47<blackstar76>i sent to email:service@linode.com
20:47<@cmullen>ah
20:47<arooni>do i need to restart my linodes for more resouces?
20:48<@cmullen>if you could resend those to support@linode.com we'll take care of that for you. Just send them that way with an emails saying "here's the requested creds"
20:48<@cmullen>we'll set it up for you from there
20:48<@cmullen>hey arooni, yeah you'd need to power your server down for a resize migration
20:48<@cmullen>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
20:50<arooni>wouldnt i see something in my dashboard
20:50<arooni>telling me i have more resources I can add to my current linode
20:51<arooni>ah it is a storage upgrade for my linodes
20:52<arooni>so once i do the resize does that auto trigger the shutdown/restart sequence
20:52<arooni>can i schedule it for say 2 or 3 am tonight?
20:53<@mquatrani>arooni: no, you can't schedule it for a specific time. When you initiate the resize you will be put into a Q
20:55<blackstar76>@mquatrani , you got my image?
20:55<arlen>or if you're referring to the storage upgrade the 2gb plan got on Tuesday, just shutdown the Linode and resize your disk
20:55<arlen>no queue needed
20:55<arooni>is it possible to downgrade to a lower tiered linode
20:55<arlen>yes
20:55<@mquatrani>!doc resize
20:55<@mquatrani>welp
20:56<arlen>!resize
20:56<linbot>Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images.
20:56<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72796#p72796>
20:56<@mquatrani>blackstar76: we are taking care of you right $meow
20:56<@mquatrani>arlen: that's it XD
20:56<arlen>:)
20:57<@mquatrani>!point arlen
20:57<linbot>mquatrani: Point given to arlen. (1)
20:57<arlen>yay
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21:04<@mquatrani>blackstar76: looks like it didn't make it to us. would you be able to send it again?
21:08<blackstar76>@mquatrni , i will send again
21:08<@cmullen>thanks man support@linode.com is the way to go
21:08<@mquatrani>thx blackstar76 !!
21:10<blackstar76>Done! , pls check it again
21:11<@mquatrani>looking
21:21<nate>Zimsky: I see you're obsession with me still continues :P
21:21<nate>*your
21:24<@mquatrani>blackstar76: You are good to go! Welcome to Linode!!
21:25<blackstar76>thanks
21:26<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72797#p72797>
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21:30<William__>Hello. I have a Linode in Newark, NJ, I live in Maine, and my ISP is Time Warner Cable. Can anyone explain why I can get 27ms ping on IPv4 but IPv6 is slower at 59ms? Should I complain to TWC Spectrum about this?
21:32<Peng>!mtr
21:32<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
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21:34<Peng>William__: You can run mtr from both directions to see what seems to be the problem -- probably your packets are going on a scenic tour of the country -- and it's possible Linode or Time Warner can and will improve the situation, but who knows.
21:34<Peng>William__: There are a lot of factors to Internet routing, and latency isn't the only one.
21:35<William__>Google is 63ms on v6 and 26ms on v4, so I guess it isn't specific to Linode's datacenters.
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21:36<JeremyE77>I get that too. It's especially noticiably at Apple.com
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21:37<JeremyE77>at least on TWC in LA
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21:39<Peng>From the latency, it sounds like TWC is backhauling William__'s traffic most of the way *to* LA. :-/
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21:40<JeremyE77>I think that is why I have such a better experience on the VPN...tbh. I never really put it together.
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21:40<Peng>63 ms to Google is pretty frightful. Sounds like, i dunno, Texas?
21:40<Peng>If you say about 20 RTT from Maine to NYC, and 43 ms from NYC to DFW.
21:42<William__>Can't be due to using Tomato router firmware because the gap for Cloudflare's nearest node is closer at 36 for v6 and 26 for v4. Or could it?
21:43<Peng>Nah.
21:43<Peng>Cloudflare just has better or luckier peering, i guess.
21:44<Peng>!mtr
21:44<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
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21:44<sdfd>hello
21:44<Peng>Although i ran an mtr from a couple places to the IP you're IRCing from, and TWC sets rDNS on nothing and it's almost entirely useless.
21:44<sdfd>can linode band url
21:44<sdfd>?
21:44<Zimsky>nate: you know how some people like sitting in a park and feeding pigeons because it pleases them to watch them? it's the same kind of thing here. I make little quips and you get bothered by them, but ultimately, much like the pigeons, if you stop getting bothered by them and/or go away, it makes no difference to me and I find something else
21:44<William__>Am I using IPv4 or IPv6?
21:44<sdfd>somebody help me pleas
21:44<Peng>William__: IPv6.
21:45<Peng>sdfd: I'm sorry, what do you mean?
21:45<Peng>William__: Can confirm you're 59 ms away from a different ISP near Linode Newark. And 60 ms away from Linode Dallas.
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21:45<sdfd>if i had a linode vhost ,and a url like google.com
21:45<Zimsky>nate: I don't actually dislike you, I should clarify
21:45<sdfd>how can i band that url
21:45<sdfd>@Peng
21:45<Peng>"band"?
21:46<sdfd>yep ,match
21:46<Peng>I don't understand
21:46<sdfd>how match that url
21:46<Zimsky>.*
21:46<Zimsky>very useful regex
21:46<Zimsky>has many purposes and works all the time 100%
21:46<sdfd>linode sell some domain name?
21:46<Zimsky>nope
21:46<Zimsky>you'll need to go to a domain registrar for that
21:47<Zimsky>linode can host your DNS though
21:47<Zimsky>provided you have services with them
21:47<William__>Ping times are about the same to the Dallas speedtest server. In fact v6 is 59-60ms and v4 is 63-64ms.
21:48<sdfd>ok , that means i should host that domain in my #etho0
21:49<Peng>William__: That sounds pretty reasonable, TBH. As i said, it's about 43 ms from Dallas to New York City. Take that, plus about 20 ms from NYC to you in Maine, sounds about right.
21:50<William__>Thanks for the insights, I'll run mtr back and forth and see if TWC Spectrum is willing to help. I suspect they still consider IPv6 to be "beta" though.
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21:50<millisa>I'll be impressed if you can get to someone that even understands what you are saying.
21:51<Zimsky>in reference to whom?
21:51<millisa>contact TWC/Spectrum
21:51<Zimsky>the wheel company
21:51<Zimsky>that weird cow
21:51<millisa>Third World Connectivity!
21:51<Zimsky>thy wholemeal crust
21:51<Zimsky>that's excellent
21:52<millisa>The Wasted Call
21:52<Zimsky>but I think internet on haiti is slightly better
21:52<William__>True; when an overloaded pulp truck took out my cable line a couple years ago, it took quite a while talking to someone in Asia to convince them it wasn't a matter of rebooting the modem. I think I had a cell phone in one hand and a flashlight in the other, looking at the broken line while the lady on the other end kept trying to get me to reboot my modem and router.
21:52<Zimsky>I talk to people in Asia all the time and never have issues
21:53<Zimsky>it helps if you speak mandarin and malay though
21:56<millisa>(Just re-read what I wrote . . . I was referring to their ability to comprehend that ipv6 exists, not the actual language/accent ability . .jeez. I'm a jerk!)
21:58<Zimsky>actually in this instance it would be William__ who is the jerk
21:58<Zimsky>since you didn't intend it in that manner but he perceived it in that manner
21:58<millisa>See, I was saying they were stupid because of their complete technical ineptness, not that they were stupid because of how they sou . . .nope. I'm still a jerk.
21:59<William__>Can't seem to run mtr on Windows 10 Bash unfortunately. There's a bug at https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows/issues/717 that describes the issue. Time to (re)install VMware and give it bridged networking then.
21:59<Zimsky>but really, it doesn't make anyone a jerk because it is a genuine issue - not only the cultural gap but the working conditions in those countries that effectively lead to people not giving a shit about their jobs
22:00<Zimsky>also upper and middle management make them follow scripts and "procedures"
22:00<Zimsky>bash on windows? ick
22:00<millisa>does it impact https://sourceforge.net/projects/winmtr/ too?
22:01<William__>Does that support both IPv4 and IPv6?
22:01<arlen>sourceforge ick
22:02<Peng>Does Windows have an IPv6 tracepath or traceroute?
22:02<Peng>Honestly it doesn't really need to be mtr.
22:03<millisa>tracert -6 should do it
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22:03<William__>Just did the -6, seems they are routing through Hurricane Electric judging by the rDNS.
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22:05<Peng>!mtr-dallas -bzc 8 2604:6000:1509:c214:8d14:18d2:214f:e175
22:05<linbot>Peng: [mtr-dallas] 12. AS11351 2604:6000:9fc0:26:4d37:2a59:167e:b6e3 0.0% 8 59.8 60.1 59.6 61.0 0.0 -- 13. AS11351 2604:6000:1509:c214:8d14:18d2:214f:e175 0.0% 8 59.6 61.6 59.5 72.1 4.2 -- see https://mtr-dallas.mn0.us/?c=2b65ee5e for full mtr
22:05<Peng>Different New Jersey ISP: https://mtr-nyc1.mnrd.us/?c=01648801
22:06<zifnab>Can linode band URL ?
22:06<zifnab>This is my new favorite quote.
22:06<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72798#p72798>
22:06<Peng>Seems to be by and large TWC's fault
22:06<William__>The -4 routes through IPs that rDNS to zayo.com
22:07<Peng>Zayo's a big backbone ISP (and data center operator).
22:07<Peng>As is HE
22:07<HoopyCat>zaaaaaaaaaayo, zaaa-aa-aaa-aaaa-yoooooo, latency come and me wan' go home
22:07<Peng>zaaaaaaaaa --
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22:08<William__>I have a Tomato router that is configured to connect to IPv6 on the WAN side using "DHCPv6 with Prefix Delegation" and all settings left default.
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22:08<Peng>I doubt your router is the problem.
22:09<Zimsky>a normal tomato or an american tomato?
22:09<Peng>If you look at the traceroutes *to* you, the latency starts in the middle of TWC's network
22:10<William__>advancedtomato.com firmware which is based on Shibby firmware with a fancy HTML5 interface.
22:14<zifnab>It's a water tomato!
22:15<nate>Zimsky: The fact you think I get bothered by the fact you seem to show a public obsession with me is really the only amusing thing here, you're hardly the first practical stalker I've had, I mean if that's what you feel you have to do in life well that's your choice, lol
22:16<zifnab>Zimsky is mostly harmless.
22:16<nate>I know, just apparently obsesses over people who argue with him :P
22:17<nate>then tries to excuse it as self-entertainment, but yes, causes no real harm :P
22:17<Zimsky>>practical stalker
22:17<Zimsky>oh god
22:17<Zimsky>this is too much
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22:18<Zimsky>zifnab can attest to my general nonchalance and apathy
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22:19<zifnab>I did say mostly harmless. A bit insane. But harmless.
22:19<nate>Zimsky: it's okay, you have my permission to keep being you, I mean I'm nobody to stop you anyways, if you really feel the need to mention my name on a daily basis, I guess I'll just accept my popularity from you, lol
22:19<Zimsky>zifnab: until I acquire that radioactive materials license
22:20<zifnab>Yeah, for once I'm glad you're on another continent
22:20<Zimsky>someone made a quip about elon musk being "one lab accident away from a supervillain"
22:21<Zimsky>zifnab: I have two passports
22:21<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
22:21<William__>I can't seem to find out exactly where 100ge5-2.core1.chi1.he.net is located. Ping hits 36 there then hits 58 on the next step which is 100ge3-2.core1.nyc4.he.net which I assume by the domain name is New York City.
22:21<arlen>chi is Chicago
22:21<arlen>usually
22:21<zifnab>So that's 20ms between Chicago and new York city
22:21<zifnab>That's relatively normal
22:22<Zimsky>unless there's an accident on the freeway
22:22<arlen>then it's 5000ms
22:22<zifnab>(Ill leave the math to you - distance and speed of light)
22:22<Zimsky>math day was yesterday
22:23<Zimsky>today is breaking filesystems day
22:23<William__>I guess there's my problem. Steadfast's Chicago speedtest server is 40ms on v4, seems v6 is taking the scenic route.
22:28<Peng>Just curious, what's your good route to Cloudflare?
22:29<Peng>Or... click on https://mattnordhoff.net/ and Cloudflare will tell me which data center you hit. :O
22:31<William__>IPv6 goes through Telia and is served from Chicago. IPv4 also uses Telia and is served from Newark.
22:31<Peng>Interesting
22:31<Peng>Could be TWC has no IPv6 peering in NYC near you and backhauls everything to Chicago.
22:32<Peng>Cloudflare doesn't *necessarily* have the best possible route to you, but they likely do.
22:33<zifnab>Peng that site gives me a default nginx page
22:34<Peng>zifnab: It does.
22:34<zifnab>Fixit
22:34<Peng>Actually, i've modified the default Nginx page slightly. >:D
22:34<zifnab>Huh
22:35<zifnab>I was curious how you were doing cloudflare lookup. But then I realized you're just looking at IPs
22:35<William__>Try on any Cloudflare domain /cdn-cgi/trace. That will give the location code for the edge server you hit under the "colo" field.
22:36<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14568&p=72799#p72799>
22:36<zifnab>Ah cool. TIL
22:36<William__>Then find a Cloudflare-powered domain that has IPv4 only configured and do the same thing. EWR is Newark NJ and ORD is Chicago IL.
22:37<Peng>Oh. That's way cool.
22:37<Peng>Cloudflare sends an HTTP header containing the location to the backends; i was just reading that in my logs.
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22:38<Peng>I don't have an IPv4-only Cloudflare site.
22:39<Peng>If you have *nix you could use 'curl -4' or something on any dual-stack Cloudflare site.
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22:43<William__>Turns out The Pirate Bay, one of Cloudflare's favorite customers, is v4 only.
22:43<Peng>Heh
22:45<William__>Also I found news stories they use Flexible SSL so they get blocked from behind Cloudflare in parts of India.
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22:47<Sonny>Hi Linode.
22:48<Peng>William__: Yupppp.
22:48<Peng>William__: That is so bad. D:
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22:48<Peng>I configured SSL properly for my default Nginx page!! And The Pirate Bay forgot.
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23:03<Sonny>Peng: Is Linode good and reliable ?
23:03<Sonny>I would like to buy a hobby server to play around linux OS. Suggest me a good Linode plan.
23:04<arlen>the one for $5
23:04<arlen>then upgrade if needed
23:05<William__>As of a couple days ago, the lowest end plan is for $5 1GB RAM, 1 core, 20GB SSD, 1TB/month transfer, and 1Gbps outgoing bandwidth.
23:06<Sonny>arlen: my main purpose is just to play around linux and learn to setup openVPN and squid http proxy
23:06<William__>I personally run the 2GB plan, will need to re-partition my OS drive because they just added 6GB to the storage on the same day they launched the $5 plan.
23:06<arlen>Sonny: should be fine on the $5 plan and resizing is super simple should you need to upgrade later
23:07<Sonny>William__: In their $5 plan , their hourly rate exceeds $5 , do they charge per month fixed rate or hourly ?
23:07<Peng>Sonny: If you run it all month, it won't exceed $5.
23:07<William__>I believe the hourly rate hits the monthly just before the end of the month.
23:07<Sonny>Peng: If i shutdown the VM, will it do any cost saving ?
23:07<William__>No, unless you delete the VM.
23:08<Sonny>William__: If Linode calculates in hourly basis, then the total cost per month is $5.4
23:08<Peng>Sonny: The last $0.40 of hours are free.
23:09<Sonny>William__: Calculate 0.0075 x 720
23:09<Peng>Sonny: If you have a Linode all month, you pay $0.0075 for the first 666 or 667 hours, and the rest are free.
23:09<Peng>Sonny: It won't be $5.40.
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23:09<Sonny>Peng: So just leave the linode ON 24x7 , it will charge only $5 , right ?
23:09<FluffyFoxeh>can you really dd a .iso directly to a flash drive? there's no headers or anything?
23:09<arlen>correct
23:10<Peng>Sonny: If you leave it off 24/7, you'd also be charged $5. :P
23:10<Sonny>Peng: :P
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23:11<Sonny>Peng: Have you tested VPS on all the 8 Linode locations ?
23:11<Peng>All 8? Not at all.
23:11<Sonny>Peng: any location which offers better performance ?
23:11<Peng>I've used... five of them? Maybe 6? :D
23:11<Peng>Sonny: No.
23:11<Zimsky>performance is the same
23:11<Peng>Sonny: You should probably pick whichever one is closest to you. Or your users.
23:11<Peng>!speed
23:11<linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
23:12<Zimsky>your network requirements determine where you want to put it
23:12<Sonny>Peng: You use any of them for lab purposes ?
23:12<Peng>No. What kind of lab purposes?
23:12<Zimsky>rat dissection
23:12<FluffyFoxeh>what are you getting at Sonny
23:12<FluffyFoxeh>out with it
23:12<FluffyFoxeh>:p
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23:13<Zimsky>sounds more like Sonny just wants a billion points of why they should fork out the mountain of US$5/mo
23:13<Peng>:|
23:13<Zimsky>|:
23:15<Sonny>40 Gbps for inbound speed for VPS ?
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>that is what it says
23:15<Peng>That's how fast the wires are.
23:15<Zimsky>it's all there on that page
23:15<Sonny>that means if i wget some file from my server, it will download at 40 Gbps ?
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>the disk is not that fast, so no
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23:16<FluffyFoxeh>(the disks are fast, they're SSDs, but not 40Gbps fast)
23:16<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: So the max which i will get is SSD speeds ?
23:16<FluffyFoxeh>for writing a file to the disk, yes.
23:16<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: Bottleneck here is SSD :)
23:16<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: Wires are faster than SSDs :P
23:17<Peng>Sonny: I'd guess that you'd have trouble finding anything that would send you meaningful data at 40 Gbps, and you don't have enough CPU to meaningfully process it.
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23:17<Zimsky>that's... not how it works
23:18<Peng>Yes it is?
23:18<Zimsky>not you
23:19<William__>What is the interface and specs of the SSDs used by Linode?
23:19<nate>They're clearly all PATA SSD's
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23:20<Zimsky>original SCSI SSDs
23:21<Peng>William__: The details aren't public. They're stated to be data center-grade, not cheapo consumer gear, but that's about it.
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23:22<William__>If I had to guess, they would likely be PCIe interface for maximum speed.
23:22<Zimsky>they use tachyonic superluminal connections
23:22<Zimsky>all data is stored as DNA strands
23:24<Sonny>nate: PATA ?
23:24<Sonny>nate: I do not even remember if SSD came with such old interface
23:25<Sonny>I guess they would be using NVMe
23:25<nate>Sonny: I was being silly :P
23:25<millisa>(they do, military and slot machines use 'em. but linode likely doesn't)
23:25<nate>technically are PATA<->SATA bridges though
23:25<FluffyFoxeh>[1065308.246364] usb 2-4: Manufacturer: 1
23:25<FluffyFoxeh>[1065308.246365] usb 2-4: SerialNumber: Љ
23:25<FluffyFoxeh>Љ?
23:26<nate>FluffyFoxeh: It's clearly a 1lb drive
23:26<HoopyCat>seems valid
23:26<nate>had to weigh it some how
23:26<FluffyFoxeh>haha
23:27<Sonny>Any one done bandwidth benchmarks in your VPS ?
23:28<FluffyFoxeh>why don't you start one up and try it
23:28<Peng>Not recently.
23:28<Peng>Sonny: You'll have trouble finding anything on the Internet that will send you traffic at more than a couple Gbps
23:29<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: Have to purchase my VPS very soon. Feeling excited !!! Its gonna be a great learning curve.
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23:29<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: Hope , they instantly provision my VPS after I order.
23:30<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: If I add $50 using credit card and also use coupon code LINODE10 , they will credit my account with $60 , right ?
23:30<nate>assuming you don't flag any fraud stuff it's usually fairly quick I believe
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23:32<Sonny>got a coupon code which offers $20 credit , but not sure if this is working one. coupon code : bootstrapped20
23:33<arlen>try bootstrapped2017
23:33<arlen>think it was changed
23:33<arlen>or bootstrapped2016 can't remember
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>try all of them from 20-2017
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>just to be sure
23:34<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: During signup , i get an option to enter the promo code. if its not valid do i have option to re-enter the coupon code again ?
23:34<FluffyFoxeh>dunno
23:35<Sonny>FluffyFoxeh: Its like a signup form, i dont have anything to check if the coupon is valid till i submit the form
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23:37<guru>hi
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23:37<millisa>Greetings
23:38<Guest972>This is Guru from india
23:38<Guest972>Accually I brought Linode hosting
23:38-!-mode/#linode [+l 331] by ChanServ
23:39<Guest972>i brought 4GB Plan
23:39<Guest972>but now Memory RAM (with Cache): 3.31GB / 4GB ( 82.8%)
23:39<Sonny>Guest972: Cool :P , did you use any coupon code ?
23:39<Guest972>i was contact the Linode
23:39<Guest972>they said you need migrate properly they said
23:40<Sonny>Guest972: Which OS have you installed ?
23:40<Guest972>CentOS
23:41<Guest972>right Iam using CentOS
23:41<FluffyFoxeh>accually is dolan
23:41<Guest972>accually i dont have that much traffic also
23:42<Sonny>Guest972: What is the purpose of this VPS ?
23:42<millisa>And what is the actual question?
23:42<Guest972>but why Memory RAM taking more space
23:42<Guest972>hw i migrate properly
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23:42<millisa>you can use top (or htop) if you want to see what resources are using your memory.
23:43<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/uptime/monitoring/top-htop-iotop
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23:44<JeremyE77>Guest972: Keep in mind that Linux has begun to cache more. If you are not carefully looking you might be mistaking (easily and automatically realeased) RAM for in use.
23:45<Guest972>oh
23:46<Guest972>accually i dont have idea on the server side
23:46<Guest972>so, that iam facing this issue
23:47<Guest972>can you help for me on this thing plz???
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23:53<JeremyE77>No ;)
23:54<JeremyE77>I cannot figure out what variable makes this result in this web page I am dealing with right now :P
23:55<Guest972>okay
23:56<JeremyE77>What is the problem. Maybe we can work through it while kint loads
23:57<Guest972>thing is taking too much Memory RAM
23:57<JeremyE77>Why do you think that? You have a 4gb instance. How much do you think should be used? How much is used?
23:58<millisa>running 'top' and sorting by memory with 'M' should give you a hint.
23:59<Guest972>i think it should take 2.5 to 3 GB
23:59<millisa>because?
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