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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-02-17

---Logopened Fri Feb 17 00:00:22 2017
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00:00<William__>Your available memory would be the sum of free and buff/cache.
00:01<millisa>which 'free -h' or 'free -m' would let you see that
00:02<JeremyE77>free | awk 'FNR == 3 {print $3/($3+$4)*100}'
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00:15<Sonny>Which VPS plan will be sufficient for running OpenVPN server ?
00:16<arlen>this was answered already
00:16<Sonny>arlen: I was not there during that time , please tell me
00:16<arlen>you were
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00:16<arlen>unless you're a different sonny
00:16<Peng>All of them
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00:17<millisa>It was about an hour ago that arlen said: "Sonny: should be fine on the $5 plan and resizing is super simple should you need to upgrade later" to you saying you'd like a hobby server mostly for playing with openvpn with
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00:17<Sonny>millisa: oops.. now i remember
00:18<JeremyE77>It's gonna depend on how many users. OpenVPN barely makes a dent in the $10 server with a few users.
00:20<Sonny>JeremyE77: my requirement is only one user. for myself alone
00:20<JeremyE77>You'd be fine using the neighbors Apple TV then....
00:21<Sonny>Torrenting is allowed on Linode Servers ?
00:21<Peng>Legal torrenting.
00:21<JeremyE77>No reason not to
00:21<millisa>non-illegal things are mostly allowed
00:22<JeremyE77>I'm just gonna assume you follow the laws when I answer questions, heh
00:23<JeremyE77>I'm a sanctuary tech. :P
00:24<Sonny>JeremyE77: You use your server for hobby or commercial purposes ?
00:24<JeremyE77>both...I guess. I am sure where they end.
00:25<Sonny>JeremyE77: Looks like you have couple of servers at Linode.
00:25<Sonny>JeremyE77: Are you developer or Networking guy ?
00:26<JeremyE77>Yeah. That's true
00:26<millisa>please say you were evaluating the second question and decided it came out ==1
00:27<Sonny>millisa: I did not understand
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00:28<JeremyE77>I am...neither. Frankly.
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00:29<JeremyE77>I am far enough into marketing to have deal with this crap :P
00:30<Sonny>JeremyE77: LOL
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00:34<JeremyE77>Which really gets me at this particular moment when I know exactly what i need to do....not quite how to do it :(
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00:39<arlen>me everyday
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00:39<Zimsky><arlen> unless you're a different sonny <Peng> All of them
00:39<Zimsky>oh god
00:40<snake> Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
00:40<arlen>ok i will
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00:40*Zimsky hangs tighter
00:40<snake>anyone speak chinese?
00:40*arlen hangs tightest
00:40<arlen>not I
00:41<Zimsky>snake: which type of chinese?
00:41<snake>any tape
00:41<Zimsky>duct tape it is
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00:45<Zimsky>what an absolute bellend.
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01:06<steve_>the last section of this guide describes how to boot to grub2 mode via the linode dashboard:
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01:07<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Glish keyboard layout <>
01:07<steve_>is there some way to automate that via stackscript?
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01:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Automate changing boot settings to use grub2 <>
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02:19<quad>hello folks, I just signed up for linode and paid, and it says "Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!"
02:19<nate>quad: Most you can do is what it asks, support will contact you as soon as they can for some extra verification stuff probably
02:19<quad>I got a payment confirmation/receipt, and it has been 30 minutes, and any attempt to sign-out sign-in etc still shows me tat
02:19<quad>why charge me if i can't access the service?
02:20<dcraig>hang tight
02:20<nate>Because that's how things work sometimes, technically you haven't been charged, you've had a hold placed :P
02:21<quad>Then I probably should not receive something called a receipt. :)
02:21<quad>Anyway, I'll hang on, but it definitely wasn't a very encouraging experience is all.
02:21<nate>Well no people still can get a receipt. You go to the store, shop, use your card, you get a receipt, but the transaction is still a hold until the payment processes fully :P
02:21<quad>Fortunately in a store I can walk out with my goods. :D
02:22<nate>Yes but fortunately in a store it's also a lot easier for them to handle potential fraud stuff, this is an online service with a limited number of staff potentially dealing with a large number of things :P
02:22<dcraig>not without paying...
02:26<rsdehart>!point dcraig
02:26<linbot>rsdehart: Point given to dcraig. (1)
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02:30<arlen>would you rather pay a company that tried to reduce fraud risks or pay a company that didn't care
02:30<dcraig>company that didn't care
02:31<FluffyFoxeh>the former :)
02:31*arlen puts dcraig in the corner
02:33<arlen>quad: you could call them if you wanted to speed things up a bit
02:33<JeremyE77>I'd rather they pay me.
02:34<arlen>move to jersey
02:34<JeremyE77>I feel like they might want me to work. :(
02:34<arlen>just take long bathroom breaks
02:35<quad>arlen: it got through, finally
02:35<arlen>don't forget your receipt
02:35<quad>I actually don't mind waiting, but I want the wait to be an expectation, not "free trial, pay money, oh btw wait an hr"
02:36<arlen>it's a free trial because you have a 7 day money back
02:36<JeremyE77>Betetr than Pony Express!
02:37<FluffyFoxeh>I wonder what proportion of signups actually end up having to be manually reviewed
02:37<arlen>I never had one
02:37<FluffyFoxeh>I didn't when I signed up, but that was in 2014
02:39<arlen>manager says I signed up 2015
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04:34<darwin>if I install Gentoo on a linode, does Linode's image have systemd, or just the normal/original initialization system?
04:34<darwin>and is there any work on setting up some actual BSD Unix images?
04:38<dwfreed>darwin: Linode's Gentoo template is openrc
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05:07<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <>
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07:53<Suresh>need help
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08:00<csnxs>don't we all
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08:40<DrJ>not me csnxs
08:40<DrJ>there's not a thing wrong with me
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08:55<Sonny>Guys, What is This Month Network Transfer Pool in my Linode Manager ?
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08:57<@nbrewer>Sonny: it's the total outgoing transfer available to your Linodes. In other words, your Linodes can send out that much this month without going over your transfer limit.
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08:57<Sonny>nbrewer: after i create the Linode, i see another column to the right of the page showing Network Transfer/mo and it shows 2000GB
08:58<Sonny>nbrewer: network transfer pool quota is 354GB
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09:00<@nbrewer>The Transfer/mo indicator on your Linode's Dashboard just says how much outgoing transfer your plan size allows in a month. Keep in mind that if you create a Linode later in the month, the actual amount available for the remainder of the month will be prorated
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09:03<DrJ>it's all pooled as well... so if you have more than 1 Linode you start to rack up a lot... kind of nice because it's the one resource that is shared across all existing Linodes
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09:06<DrJ>adding 4 new $5 plans more than double my transfer limit
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09:07<DrJ>which btw is another use for the $5 plan
09:07<DrJ>if you go over your limit by 1TB a month that would qual $20 in overage costs
09:08<DrJ>or you could get that 1TB for $5 by adding another linode
09:09<DrJ>so instead of 2cents per GB overage you can lower that down to 1/2 cent per GB
09:10<d1g1t>but you'd have to do that at the beginning of the month right?
09:10<DrJ>starts to become the better way to go once you hit 250GB of overage
09:10<DrJ>I don't believe so
09:10<DrJ>it would be prorated
09:10<DrJ>so I guess it really depends
09:11<DrJ>if you did it mid month you would get 500GB more for that $5
09:11<DrJ>which would still save you $5
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09:11<DrJ>but if you are going over every single month
09:12<DrJ>by more than 250GB... you might as well add one for that purpose
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09:13<DrJ>regardless of the situation though d1g1t, it would be a wise move if you are over 250GB
09:13<DrJ>it's just the later in the month you do it the less you will save
09:13<DrJ>but you would still save
09:14<DrJ>that $5 linode would also cost less... which balances things out
09:14<DrJ>so in theory if it was the last week of the month (7 days to go)... you just add 5 new $5 linodes
09:15<DrJ>eh, make that 4
09:15<DrJ>prorated the 4 linodes would bill you a combined total of $5 and the prorated transfer accumlation of those 4 $5 linodes would still equal 1TB
09:16<DrJ>so really it doesn't matter what day you of the month you do it
09:16<DrJ>the later it is the month, the more $5 linodes you add to make up the difference
09:16<d1g1t>thats pretty neat
09:16<DrJ>end result, if you do it right, it still always going to be $5 for another TB instead of $20
09:17<ang>why must the new $5 linode be hourly? I don't want to convert from legacy billing
09:17<Nivex>Incentive to get people off pre-paid.
09:18<Sonny>DrJ: How much SWAP disk should I give ? I have $5 plan, it comes with 1GB RAM, so can i increase SWAP to 3GB , so technically my RAM becomes 4GB
09:18<DrJ>I wouldn't do that
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09:19<DrJ>my philosophy is give it as little amount of swap as possible
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09:20<ang>Nivex, i don't want to get off pre-paid. I prefer to pay upfront for the year than to get billed monthly. been paying that way since 2007.
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09:20<Sonny>DrJ: Why is that ?
09:21<arlen>ang: you can still add a years worth of credit to your account
09:21<arlen>but there's no discount for doing so
09:21<Nivex>ang: so don't switch to the $5 plan then
09:21<Nivex>ang: that's what I mean by incentive
09:21<ang>nivex: I don't want to switch to it, I want to add some in addition to what i have :)
09:21<Nivex>ang: and I want a pony too, but waaaaaah
09:22<Nivex>you can do as arlen suggests, or stick with what you've got
09:22<Nivex>or maybe put in a ticket and plead your case for why you should be treated differently than everyone else
09:22<DrJ>Sonny, swapping is bad in most cases
09:22<DrJ>if you are swapping then you have other problems
09:23<ang>arlen, ahh, I didn't realize you can add a credit. I only see an option to pay. how would one add a credit? just overpay?
09:23<DrJ>the only reason I personally see for swap is to have a little so you can fix a memory issue before it starts crashing things
09:23<ang>Nivex, wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
09:23<DrJ>ang, there is little to absolutely no reason to stay on the old payment method
09:24<ang>DrJ, i see no incentive to switch
09:24<DrJ>if you aren't adding/removing linodes then your costs will remain fixed even on hourly
09:24<DrJ>and you can still prepay
09:24<DrJ>hourly plans have a max limit (basically you get the last few days of the month for free)
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09:24<ang>not 100% true: "Please note that annual and biennial discounts will go away when converting to hourly."
09:25<DrJ>well, yea, you would lose that
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09:25<DrJ>if you must have a $5 plan your best bet then would be to create a new account and place them there
09:26<DrJ>I would expect that the day will eventually come that linode will force you to switch though
09:26<DrJ>not saying that will happen for sure... but I could see it happening
09:27<DrJ>if not, they will slowly (as they have) make it so you lose out on a lot of stuff by staying
09:27<arlen>ang: yes you would just overpay
09:28<Sonny>how much time does re-build of image in linode take ?
09:28<ang>arlen, ok. thx.
09:29<Sonny>I am about to re-build, i am in a downtime window
09:29<arlen>should give an estimate
09:29<DrJ>depends on the rebuild method
09:30<DrJ>if its from a linode backup it will depends on how much data you have
09:30<DrJ>if it's starting over from scratch, then just a minute or less
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09:35<Sonny>DrJ: Backups of my Linode are free ?
09:35<DrJ>the Linode Backup service isn't free
09:35<DrJ>but it's pretty cheap
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09:35<Sonny>In Dashboard i see backup option
09:35<DrJ> <--pricing table if you scroll down
09:36<DrJ>I recommend that you use it if your Linode is being used for an uptime sensative purpose
09:36<DrJ>because it's the quickest way to restore in the event of a disaster
09:36<DrJ>of course, you should also, have your own offsite backups
09:36<Sonny>DrJ: Oh okay.
09:36<DrJ>there is no exception to the offsite backup rule unless you don't care about your data at all
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09:40<JeremyE77>I condense my backups into tightly packed radio waves and bounce them back and forth between orbiting bodies in space.
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09:41<DrJ>I rsync all my servers to my home backup server every night... they are stored on a ZFS volume that I then snapshot... it's cool because the backups are incremental but I can browse each nights snapshot in my file explorer as if it was a full backup
09:42<DrJ>my backup script even manages the snapshots... keeping all "End of Months" and each of the past 60 days
09:45<JeremyE77>I have rejoggered rsnaphost to meet most of my needs.
09:45<JeremyE77>(for offsite)
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10:09<Sonny>Hope LongView is free in Linode :P
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10:50<HoopyCat>DrJ: zfstools does auto-snapshotting pretty nice
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10:56<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
10:56<io____>hallo I have a doubt, it seems like plans changed lately, so I am paying 20$/month but have 2G memory (48G ssd).. shouldn t I have been upgraded or something?
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10:58<@nbrewer>io____: your plan is different from the current 2GB plan. it has significantly more disk space, and an extra CPU core.
10:58<io____>yes sure, i wonder why I didn t get the 4G ram
10:59<@nbrewer>io____: you should see a notification in your Linode's Dashboard to take the free upgrade
10:59<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Issue of SSH logins causing firewall rules to be created, blocking where I am logging in from <>
10:59<@nbrewer>unless you're on Xen, in which case you will need to upgrade to KVM first.
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11:00<DrJ>HoopyCat, yea... I just have my script handle it
11:00<DrJ>script handles creating the snapshot name and renaming the EOM snapshots when it comes time to do so
11:01<io____>nbrewer: ok ok I ve seen it thanks
11:01<DrJ>and deleting old snapshots as well
11:01<HoopyCat>DrJ: nods, i was lazy and just went with the existing wheel =^.^=
11:01<DrJ>so you are doing pretty much the same thing I do then?
11:02<HoopyCat>DrJ: yep. also doing duplicity to S3 for offsite of local backups
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11:36<Evan_Donovan>is there a way to add an hdd (non-sdd) drive in as an additional drive for your Linode?
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11:37<@nbrewer>Evan_Donovan: nope
11:37<Evan_Donovan>we have a lot of files that need to be served out on our website, and we need more space for them than the Linode 12GB plan (which is what we are currently on) provides
11:37<gparent>why would you want to do that when there are SSDs!
11:37<Evan_Donovan>gparent: see above
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11:37<gparent>But they sell SSDs!
11:37<Evan_Donovan>it's 113.87GB of audio
11:38<gparent>do they change often
11:38<Evan_Donovan>basically, the choice for us would be between Linode 12GB & Linode 200GB, but we actually don't need anything else from the 200GB plan - just more disk
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11:38<Evan_Donovan>no, they will never change again
11:38<gparent>I would use a CDN
11:38<Evan_Donovan>ah, good point
11:39<Evan_Donovan>i was thinking of having a cheap host somewhere else for them, and reverse proxying
11:39*Evan_Donovan has never researched CDNs befoer
11:39<@jfred>We've got a block storage service in the works for extra disk space, but nothing quite yet
11:39<Evan_Donovan>the other thing i was considering was just moving them off site to and linking to that
11:40<Evan_Donovan>i also was considering Amazon's cloud storage solution, but their pricing on things is not as transparent as Linode's, imo, and they don't really focus on support
11:40<Evan_Donovan>jfred: cool, that would be great for things like that i think - i'm not really too knowledgeable on these areas though
11:40<Evan_Donovan>ok, well now at least i have a few more alternatives i can present to my boss
11:41<Evan_Donovan>to be clear, i really like the SSDs - they are great for Apache and MySQL....but the file serving doesn't really need that kind of speed i don't think since there's not really writes on them
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11:41<Evan_Donovan>plus they are not as frequently requested as most of our content
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11:42<Evan_Donovan>thanks, all
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11:55<Ryan_>Hi, Can you migrate my wordpress for me?
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12:02<realraghavgupta>Does linode offer any Education discounts? that would be amazing
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12:15<skyfaller>hi folks, my Linode appears to be under some sort of DOS attack, but I'm too noobish to respond. I want to manually list some IP addresses to be dropped by iptables but it doesn't seem to be working. Help?
12:15<skyfaller>I'm saying something like "sudo iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP"
12:16<skyfaller>but then when I go "sudo iptables -L" I don't see that rule listed
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12:34<pmsteil>Hello, we are running WP multisite over at Siteground... on mysql of course
12:35<pmsteil>So if we were hosting with you guys and our database had grown to 4gb in size, but phpmyadmin reports the database is actually only 1.7gb in size would you guys take care of shrinking the database back down, or is that our responsibility?
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12:37<cruxeternus>With a Linode, you just get a fast virtual machine with good tools for managing the instances. The software that runs on the VM you have to set up, manage, upgrade, maintain, etc.
12:37<cruxeternus>There _is_ a Managed Service though that may do some of that, but it's extra.
12:37<pmsteil>ok, thanks
12:38<pmsteil>are on staff at linode?
12:38<pmsteil>are you on staff?
12:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
12:38<cruxeternus>Nah, I'm just a happy customer. :)
12:39<pmsteil>gotcha. i would be wanting the managed service, so going to look at that
12:39<cruxeternus>er, I guess I meant professional services
12:40<cruxeternus>I've never used them... the quality of the VMs and tools is the real selling point with Linode.
12:40<cruxeternus>And customer service, at that level.
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12:40<cruxeternus>But I imagine the pro services team is good as well :P
12:41<pmsteil>right, going to fill out their form to get a quote
12:42<cruxeternus>Cool... good luck :)
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12:48<skyfaller>wait a minute, here are some addresses that I'm suspicious of:
12:48<skyfaller>the sshd entries are me, the others are suspect
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12:48<skyfaller> ... that would be another computer on the Linode network, right? Why would another Linode be pinging me constantly?
12:49<cruxeternus>I don't think the 192 Class A is a private network address.
12:49<relidy>That's an AUTOMATTIC IP address.
12:49<cruxeternus>Only the Class B 192.168.*.*
12:49<skyfaller>ohhhhh, ok
12:49<cruxeternus>but as relidy says, there may be another classification for that address
12:50<skyfaller>relidy: so now the question becomes, why would AUTOMATTIC be pinging me constantly???
12:50<relidy>skyfaller: You're saying ping, but do you really mean requesting a page on your website?
12:51<skyfaller>CrazySane: someone in the Linode channel said they think the 192 address is an AUTOMATTIC address, not a local address
12:51<cruxeternus>Er, I guess technically 192.168.*.* is a Class _C_ network. (Just to correct the info. :P)
12:51<relidy>Mistell :)
12:51<skyfaller>relidy: well, requesting something over port 443
12:51<relidy>Doh, I'd hoped that would work
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12:52<csnxs> is indeed automattic
12:52<skyfaller>ah, thank you
12:53<relidy>That's the company basically behind WP, so you're probably seeing WP ping-backs or something.
12:53<skyfaller>relidy: yes that makes sense....
12:53<skyfaller>OK, so regardless of what's causing this traffic, how do I block it so that I can use my server? It's at 100% CPU, I can barely do anything
12:53<csnxs>if you have jetpack installed, that could be why too
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12:54<relidy>The nuclear approach is something like iptables -A INPUT -s $IP/32 -j DROP
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12:55<relidy>But that's not going to stop them from making the requests.
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12:55<relidy>The better approach would be isolating why they're talking to you in the first place and deal with it at that layer.
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12:59<skyfaller>relidy: but I've already tried dropping individual IP addresses and it's not working
12:59<skyfaller>like, the IP addresses don't appear to be dropped
12:59<skyfaller>I'm saying something like "sudo iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP"
12:59<skyfaller>but then when I go "sudo iptables -L" I don't see that rule listed
12:59<relidy>Add the netmask on the end of the IP?
13:01<skyfaller>relidy: can you tell me how to modify that command?
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13:01<relidy>Add the "/32" after the IP address like in my example. That targets a single IP address.
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13:07<skyfaller>dear god I can't do anything at all, this server is totally locked up
13:07<relidy>Have you tried connecting via LISH?
13:07<relidy>!to skyfaller lish
13:07<linbot>skyfaller: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
13:08<skyfaller>I just tried dropping the IP address, but it seems to have no effect
13:09<skyfaller>relidy: I can try that, but I don't think it'll be better when the problem is that the CPU is 100%
13:09<relidy> is that IP
13:09<skyfaller>I can deal with why Akismet is fucking up later once I figure out how to get the CPU down to something reasonable
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13:17<jstitt>$5 Leenodes! Pity I am no longer a support agent!
13:19<Cromulent>oh it was nice of Linode to tell me via email - if I didn't read this channel I would have missed that
13:19<Nivex>there's a blog
13:19<Cromulent>I don't read it
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13:20<Nivex>whose fault is that?
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13:20<Cromulent>did I blame Linode?
13:20<Cromulent>I just said it was nice that they emailed me
13:21<csnxs>Cromulent, do you even read?
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13:21<Nivex>csnxs: no, apparently he just complains
13:22<Cromulent>what? LOL where did I complain? I was just thanking Linode for emailing me jesus you people
13:22<jstitt>You should read the blog.
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13:23<Cromulent>all I said was if I didn't get the email I would have missed the infor about $5 linodes and stuff - that is not a complaint at all
13:24<Cromulent>I didn't blame anyone for me missing it
13:24<jstitt>He left.
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13:25<jstitt>Why don't you like the blog?
13:25<@nbrewer>probably left to go read the blog
13:25<jstitt>heya nbrewer
13:25<@nbrewer>hey jstitt
13:25<jstitt>How's life!
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13:26<@nbrewer>not bad, tried (and failed) to plug 3 monitors into my macbook today.
13:27<@nbrewer>how've you been?
13:27<jstitt>I'm great! Just stopped by to say congrats for the new pricing.
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13:27<Nivex>OK, I'll own that egg on my face. I didn't see the email from Linode and Cromulent's statement looked like snark.
13:27*Nivex apologizes to cruxeternus
13:27*Nivex apologizes to Cromulent
13:27*Nivex fails at tab complete
13:28<jstitt>You should get a job in government.
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13:29<Cromulent>Nivex: thank you - I can assure you I wasn't complaining I was actually grateful :)
13:30<Nivex>Cromulent: yeah, sorry. I've just dealt with wayyyyy too much snark lately.
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13:30<Cromulent>jstitt: I probably should add the blog RSS feed to feedly I might do that now
13:31<Nivex>I have Linode emails going to a non-prime email account since my prime email is hosted on a Linode, so I hadn't polled it lately.
13:31<Cromulent>nbrewer: I went for a smoke if must know :)
13:33<Cromulent>going back to the email - storage upgrade AND increased network out all for $10 a month - I certainly can't complain about that - now I need to try and remember how to resize my filesystem *googles*
13:33<@nbrewer>here ya go:
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13:39<Cromulent>ah thanks :D
13:40<Cromulent>was just reading about Ryzen I'm getting hyped :)
13:41<jstitt>nbrewer: how can I use LVM in one disk image and then XFS in another and enable SELinux in the kernel? :P
13:41<jstitt>oh yeah and I need RHEL and not Fedora/CentOS
13:42<jstitt>(I kid)
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13:43<Eugene>Step 1) put your node in a box
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13:43<jstitt>I can actually do it all on the Linode platform but I'm a Power User :)
13:44<Eugene>It should be possible to do a kickstart install
13:45<jstitt>I have KVM locally.
13:46<jstitt>Did I mention I also need 4x the inodes on the boot image?
13:47<@nbrewer>jstitt: uhhhh
13:47*nbrewer runs away
13:47<jstitt>Believe it or not I did actually help a customer increase the actual inodes before.
13:48<jstitt>Or, more specifically, jfred did the legwork, I only relayed the information.
13:48<@nbrewer>don't you need to format the disk if you actually want to increase the inode limit?
13:49<jstitt>You do
13:49<@jfred>jstitt: hah, I remember that
13:49<jstitt>it was just mk2fs -i or something
13:50<@nbrewer>you change the bytes per inode or something
13:50<@nbrewer>i remember looking this up before but was too squeamish to do it
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15:01<zifnab>yay less money for linode (in reality, just more instances for me!)
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15:03<jiggawattz>nah linode brought in a huge new customer base
15:03<jiggawattz>$5 is huge
15:04<jiggawattz>puts them in the same bottom tier as DO and
15:04<jiggawattz>now - it's probably debatable whether Linode (or its existing customers) would want those bottom feeders, but.....
15:04<jiggawattz>no question it got a lot of new sign ups
15:04<Eugene>Just /ignore all the webIRC users and your experience should stay about the same
15:04<jiggawattz>sounds about right Eugene
15:04<zifnab>arbitrary question: i have a 512 kvm (ancient)
15:05<zifnab>it looks like i can just migrate it to the new 1024 plan w/o going through the million upgrade steps?
15:05<Eugene>Unless you do a Clone + IP swap?
15:05<jiggawattz>zifnab: you'll need to resize your disk
15:05<zifnab>or does that migrate it to 'old 1024 plan'
15:05<jiggawattz>not too hard
15:05<Eugene>You need to take the Upgrades before you can Resize
15:05<jiggawattz>just boot gParted
15:05<zifnab>jiggawattz: when i say ancient, its a 128 or something thats been upconverted, disk is probably only 8g
15:05<zifnab>it may have even been a 194 originally
15:05<jiggawattz>I don't know about that stuff
15:05<jiggawattz>is this KVM ??
15:06<jiggawattz>what is that even
15:06<zifnab>its a 512mv kvm now
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15:06<jiggawattz>c ya Belarus
15:06<jiggawattz>I wonder how long Belarus will be independent
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15:06<jiggawattz>I bet the Soviet Union will reform in 15 years
15:11<Peng>except for the communism
15:12<jiggawattz>yeah it will be a weirder right-wing kind of thing
15:12<jiggawattz>not sure what though
15:13<jiggawattz>the philosophy behind the future Soviet Union might not have been fully developed yet
15:13<jiggawattz>some kind of State Capitalism thing I presume
15:13<Eugene>Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia
15:13<jiggawattz>like China with some kind of ethnic pride aspect to it
15:13<jiggawattz>(that being said: Russia is a very multi-ethnic country so maybe *without* it)
15:14<Eugene>An interesting aspect of the Soviet Union that I hadn't considered until recently is the link between rejection of state religion, the position of Man in place of God, and the focus on scientific progress as a way to improve Mankind
15:14<jiggawattz>I think it will certainly be very very autocratic by Western standards
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15:15<Eugene>IE, "we can make ourselves better by rejecting God and embracing Science.... to colonize the moon!". Which didn't work out.
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15:15<jiggawattz>nah that was just something to give humans to do
15:15<jiggawattz>the thing about humanity is that beyond the basic stuff (food, shelter) we don't really need anything else
15:15<jiggawattz>we just do it because we are naturally like that
15:15<jiggawattz>competitive, etc
15:16<Eugene>I really enjoy my decadent Western luxuries
15:16<jiggawattz>so the Space Race was just something to give people to do
15:16<jiggawattz>Remember: 25% of the Soviet GDP was dedicated to military
15:16<jiggawattz>no war no purpose
15:16<Eugene>Space race was an offshoot of the ICBM launchers
15:17<jiggawattz>What will we be doing in 100 years I wonder
15:17<jiggawattz>if mankind's needs are met
15:17<jiggawattz>we will fucking go crazy
15:17<jiggawattz>like those hamster societies where the hamsters had all their food needs met
15:17<jiggawattz>explosion in population and lots and lots of infighting over pointless shit
15:18<Eugene>We're already there, haven't you noticed
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15:19<jiggawattz>nah we haven't made it that far yet
15:19<jiggawattz>there's still things to work hard for
15:19<jiggawattz>things to be proud of
15:19<jiggawattz>accomplishment, etc
15:19<jiggawattz>the Protestant work ethic isn't dead yet
15:19<Eugene>But we're on that road, according to the hockey-stick-shaped human population graph
15:19<jiggawattz>though it might be very soon
15:20<jiggawattz>I don't think humans will follow hamsters in this regard
15:20<jiggawattz>our population won't explode
15:20<jiggawattz>because we will have protected sex
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15:20<jiggawattz>that's the difference between us and the hamsters
15:20<Eugene>Only if Dog allows it
15:20<Nivex>that requires education
15:20<jiggawattz>but the infighting and irritability yes
15:20<jiggawattz>we will copy the Hamsters
15:20<Eugene>I look forward to our cannibalistic dystopian future
15:21<@nbrewer>i think it's pretty obvious that with the onset of climate change most of the earth will eventually become an uninhabitable wasteland, and mankind will be forced into megacities where, to maintain order, entities known as Judges will act as judge, jury, and executioner
15:21<Eugene>I would watch this major motion picture starring Sylvester Stallone
15:22<cruxeternus>but not any of its sequels
15:22<Eugene>The remake was OK. Not the same campy cartoon story
15:24<cruxeternus>Well, it is based on a campy cartoon story. :P
15:26<Eugene>Yeah, but why was Rob Schneider in it? THat's just terrible.
15:26<cruxeternus>Why is Rob Schneider in anything.
15:26<cruxeternus>Except for Waterboy... I get that one.
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15:29<cruxeternus>So what are these High Memory plans for.... some kind of memcached farm?
15:30<@caker>it's right there in the name
15:31<Eugene>I don't even know what the cool kids are using these days instead of redis
15:31<Eugene>Probably postgres on a tmpfs
15:31<cruxeternus>Just curious about the applications driving that need.
15:33<cruxeternus>I suppose it gives better headroom for containerization.. but the number of cores seems limiting there.
15:35<cruxeternus>Or maybe if most of your storage... is remote block storage!
15:36<DrJ>I'd think most would use the in conjunctions with database applications
15:36<DrJ>*use them
15:37<cruxeternus>Ok.. I'll have to think about this.
15:37<cruxeternus>because I want one of each
15:37<cruxeternus>Gotta collect 'em all.
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15:37<DrJ>I'd have to get the 32GB one to meet my other needs such as disk space and at least 2 cores
15:37<DrJ>too pricey for me
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15:41<DrJ>still nice having them as an option in case you ever grow enough to have a need like that
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15:42<DrJ>if I ever did get one I'd probably use it in conjunction with a lower level plan
15:42<DrJ>and use the high memory for nothing but my database server
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15:46<Eugene>I'm curious whether Block Storage will be backed by Rust or NAND or what
15:46<Eugene>(or both! pricing options are nice)
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15:47<cruxeternus>Rust the programming language or rust the euphemism for magnetic disks? :P
15:47<cruxeternus>I think I answered my own question, nm
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16:08<cruxeternus>Hrmm... now all we need are Low Memory plans!
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16:47<csnxs>no memory plans!
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17:16<Sachin>Linode is the best brand in VPS
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17:18<millisa>and the worst brand in coffee
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17:34<MajObviousman>last time I tried linode coffee, it tasted like used motor oil
17:37<@jalter>that's strange - the flavor is supposed to capture the essence of fresh motor oil
17:37<Eugene>That's the UPS drain
17:40<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • what to do with new linode? <>
17:41<Kniaz>where is the linode paste?
17:41<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
17:42<millisa>or if you like
17:44<Kniaz>I upgraded debian 8.3 -> 8.7 yesterday and then restarted the VM. And here is what I see now
17:45<Kniaz>did not select another kernel in the profile only rebooted
17:45<Kniaz>does this look like i patched the OS correctly?
17:46<SleePy>If your profile is set to use the latest x64 kernel, you automatically get it upon next reboot.
17:46<millisa>well, 4.8.6 linode78 I think is the current kernel you'd get if you have it set for 'latest kernel'
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18:44<JeremyE77>It's raining again. Oh no, my Linode's got an abend.
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18:53<csnxs>it's raining meen
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18:53<JeremyE77>Lordy Hellejuah!
18:53<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
18:53<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 69.8F/21C, visibility 10 miles, wind 14.96 mph, chill 70.01F (altimeter: 29.72) [KDFW 172253Z 15013KT 10SM FEW030 BKN130 BKN250 21/11 A2972 RMK AO2 SLP060]
18:54<Ikaros>This is...February...right...?
18:54<JeremyE77>It's Donuary!
18:54<JeremyE77>!wx klax
18:54<linbot>JeremyE77: [metar] OBS at KLAX: 57.2F/14C, visibility 2 miles, wind 20.71 mph, chill 52.94F (altimeter: 29.47) [KLAX 172253Z 15018G30KT 2SM R25R/4500VP6000FT +RA BR BKN009 OVC013 14/13 A2947]
18:54<Ikaros>I should just forget about the month then
18:55<Ikaros>'cause it certainly doesn't act like it here.
18:55<millisa>You must have missed the memo. Texas scheduled winter for the first week in February. It's over.
18:55<Ikaros>No we were close up to 90 the other week, weren't we?
18:55<relidy>We were here.
18:55<relidy>!wx kggg
18:55<millisa>It was probably before feb. my a/c is on; there's only been a week that I was happy for a furance
18:55<linbot>relidy: [metar] OBS at KGGG: 60.8F/16C, visibility 10 miles, wind 0.00 mph, chill N/A (altimeter: 29.83) [KGGG 172353Z 00000KT 10SM FEW095 16/10 A2983 RMK AO2 RAB2254E07 SLP102 P0000]
18:56<csnxs>!wx britland
18:56<linbot>csnxs: [metar] BRITLAND: not data available, valid code?
18:56<Ikaros>Then there was Jan 15th, too
19:00<JeremyE77>Woops, not sure that image that bank put up to verify my account does any good. I accepted it before it even loaded :P My bad...
19:01<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • i really tried with email.... <>
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19:18<JeremyE77>That poor guy is everywhere but the right place with his email server...issue, heh
19:21<arlen>probably shouldn't run his own email then
19:21<JeremyE77>I guess we all been there at some point with something. I just hope it's not for the "enterprise", heh
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19:32<Josh>hello do you accept bitcoins?
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19:34<JeremyE77>margaritacoin is the only non USD fake money Linode takes. in lieu of that canacoin is fine.
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19:35<Zimsky>!wx OIIE
19:35<linbot>Zimsky: [metar] OBS at OIIE: 28.4F/-02C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 20.71 mph, chill 15.05F (altimeter: ) [OIIE 180030Z 29018KT 9999 FEW030 OVC100 M02/M07 Q1016]
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20:38<Cromulent>when a backup enters needs post processing is it safe to assume that the backup is finished I can resize my disk because of the recent storage increase?
20:38<Cromulent>cool thanks
20:40<ang>i have a linode 4096 that I want to clone (it's got 48gb of space plus an extra 10gb free and all space is allocated) how can I clone this to another linode 4096 as I'll be using to much space. would I need to shrink may partitions first?
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20:44<Cromulent>well that was easy :D always nice to get free storage even though I don't need it
20:45<dwfreed>ang: you'd need to shrink your disk image, yes
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21:09<Cromulent>wordpress comments upgrading to disqus - hopefully that'll kill the spam
21:10<Cromulent>upgraded even
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21:14<JeremyE77>Some call it a downgrade :P
21:16<react>the real solution, dump wordpress
21:17<Cromulent>JeremyE77: it'll do for my small blogs that get next to no traffic I'm just fed of deleting comments telling me to buy some SEO product
21:18<JeremyE77>Ik. just cracking wise :P
21:18<Cromulent>which is ironic because the only way these spammers could find my blog is through search engines
21:18<Cromulent>ah OK
21:18<Cromulent>unless they watch the whois database I guess for new domain registrations?
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21:20<react>that's unnecessarily complicated; think simpler, just passively scan an address range making HTTP requests and watch the web service serve the default virtual host
21:21<Cromulent>hmm good point
21:24<react>react is always right, all hail... me!
21:25<react>in seriousness though, I've always hated the stock config of popular web services, I don't think serving a default is good practice; but one school of thought likes giving feedback to users in the form of an error.
21:27<Cromulent>react: as to dumping wordpress I guess I could - I do have two blogs running on Pelican which is a static blog generator which is cool because you can just use a normal text editor and RST to write blog posts but it is a bit of a pain to upload new articles through SSH
21:28<Cromulent>at the moment I'm more interested in writing blog posts than managing the technical side of things
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21:38<arlen>what's your blog about?
21:39<dwfreed>what are all blogs about?
21:39<Cromulent>arlen: I've got one on tech stuff one on extreme metal one on PC gaming and one on politics
21:40<Cromulent>the only one that gets any traffic is the tech one and I haven't updated it in ages
21:41<arlen>years ago I had a photography blog but got too busy to keep up with it
21:41<arlen>so I destroyed it
21:41<Cromulent>yeah blogging can be surprisingly time consuming - I spent ages doing my AVR programming blog posts on Mac OS X for instance
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21:42<Cromulent>compiling a GCC AVR cross compiler on Mac OS X took me ages to get working right
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23:46<antiraza>so -- on this documentation page are some guidlines regarding tuning mysql to optimize for a 2gb instance -- however the my.cnf file that's present at defaul install doesn't match the docs --
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23:46<antiraza>in fact, it's blank save for two include directories
23:47<antiraza>some of the lines referenced can be found via those include directories
23:47<antiraza>has anyone encountered this? what's the best practice? re-populate the lines in my.cnf or edit the child files in the other include directories?
23:48<antiraza>forgot to paste: << this was the doc file in question
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23:57<kyhwana>Hmm, do I need to justify a request for an ipv6 /64?
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23:58<rsdehart>I thought those were just freely given out
23:58<Cromulent>kyhwana: not that I am aware of people seem to give out IPv6 addresses like candy
23:58<kyhwana>rsdehart: yeah, that's what im assuming
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23:59<JeremyE77>antiraza: I think the includes are the default install. Anything you place UNDERNEATH the includes in that file will over ride those or implement them (if not).
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