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---Logopened Mon Feb 20 00:00:09 2017
---Daychanged Mon Feb 20 2017
00:00<Peng>!dns15
00:00<linbot>The DNS Manager reloads your zones every quarter hour. If you just added/changed a record you'll need to wait until the next refresh before the changes will be reflected by Linode's nameservers.
00:00<arlen>5 more minutes
00:00<JeremyE77>Then you've been intentionally misleading us?
00:00<arlen>different guest
00:00<JeremyE77>oh
00:00<FluffyKitteh>haha
00:00<Guest1175>I see
00:00<arlen>this one is 4 more better
00:01<Guest1171>I might just see it up myself...join this system...
00:02<Guest1171>just see how it works for 100$
00:02<Guest1171>not much...
00:02<Guest1175>every quarter hour should be refresh, but still it's doesnt work
00:02<Peng>What's the subdomain?
00:02<FluffyKitteh>also try querying ns1.linode.com (right?) directly
00:02<Peng>right
00:03<Peng>Or 2, 3, 4 or 5
00:03<FluffyKitteh>your upstream DNS resolver might have cached the NXDOMAIN
00:03<Guest1175>yes
00:03<Guest1175>ns1.linode.com
00:03<Peng>the Cloudflare DNS layer could possibly have cached it too
00:03<FluffyKitteh>I try and do direct queries first when setting up new subdomains, to avoid putting bad results in the various caches
00:03<Peng>I don't know how long they cache stuff.
00:04<Guest1175>Uhm
00:04<Guest1175>how to do direct queries?
00:05<ArcaneFeenix>millisa, do you know if it is possible to use a different table name for amavis? Would I just modify the $sql_select_policy with the query I need to get the mailbox and policy?
00:05<arlen>@8.8.8.8
00:05<millisa>you could, sure.
00:05<millisa>technically you could even use a different db for the policy and the whitelists (there were dsn's for both, I think?)
00:05<millisa>same goes for the quarantine if you decide to start pumping that in the db
00:05<arlen>Guest1175: dig a sub.domain.tld @8.8.8.8
00:06<FluffyKitteh>that's google's DNS though, not linode
00:06<ArcaneFeenix>I'm having a terrible time integrating that database into my panel I am making since it is a separate database. Would be nice to integrate it into existing database. Only problem is I am using the 'users' table for the panel users and the equiv of users would be my mailboxes table.
00:07<Peng>Hmm. I'm not sure Cloudflare does any caching.
00:07<Guest1175>Wait, is it true to add subdomain thru A/AAAA Records?
00:09<Peng>Hmmm. They may do brief caching.
00:09<Peng>Guest1175: If you want the subdomain to have A or AAAA records, yes.
00:09<Peng>b
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00:10<Guest1175>Uhm i guess i need to wait for few minutes
00:10<Guest1175>Its about 30 mins since I have added new subdomain
00:10<Peng>what's the subdomain?
00:10<Peng>Either something went wrong with one of my zone transfers, or they do some degree of caching (which is likely brief, and most likely lower than the TTL).
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00:11<Guest1175>the subdomain is charlie
00:11<JeremyE77>The great Linode DNS mystery box...heh
00:11<Guest1175>charlie.domain.com
00:12<Peng>What's the complete name?
00:14<Guest1175>it is charlie.demorboutique.com
00:15<Peng>!dns6 charlie.demorboutique.com
00:15<linbot>Peng: 139.162.3.75
00:15<Peng>Seems to work.
00:15<Peng>If there's a cached negative value, it's not global.
00:16<JeremyE77>Confirmed. Loads here. If that is, indeed, the correct domain.
00:18<Guest1175>!dns6 www.google.com
00:18<linbot>Guest1175: 2a00:1450:4010:c09::68, 173.194.122.209, 173.194.122.212, 173.194.122.208, 173.194.122.211, 173.194.122.210
00:18<Guest1175>So any solution? it's still not working
00:19<JeremyE77>Guest1175: If that is your site. I like it. The consistency of the photos is a little weird but...nice.
00:19<Guest1175>Thank you jeremy..
00:19<Guest1175>I'd be happier if DNS for charlie works
00:19<Guest1175>Frustrate me thou
00:20<arlen>it does work
00:20<arlen>just not for you
00:20<Guest1175>How could that be?
00:20<arlen>cached on your end
00:20<Cromulent>cached DNS records on your end
00:21<Guest1175>Means I need to clear DNS Records
00:21<Peng>Which may or may not be possible, depending on who runs the DNS server(s) caching the record.
00:22<JeremyE77>For example: This works fine for me: https://charlie.demorboutique.com/product/arrival
00:22<Guest1175>Linode runs the DNS Server(s)
00:22<Guest1175>They havent reply my message yet
00:22<arlen>who runs the dns you're using on your computer
00:22<arlen>linode dns is fine, working correctly
00:23<arlen>probably using your isp dns unless you changed it
00:23<Guest1175>I see, then I need to dig in first
00:25<Guest1175>I am too new for this, in my computer, its me runs the dns.. Dont know how to solve it..
00:26<jr_net>Guest1175: what operating system are you running?
00:26<Guest1175>Successfully flushed the DNS Resolver Cache.
00:26<Guest1171>IT WORKS!... thanks guys & girls... yea you were.... SIMPLE!!!
00:26<Guest1175>Still doesn't work
00:26<jr_net>huh?
00:26<Guest1175>grats guest1171..
00:26<Guest1175>Windows 10
00:26<Guest1171>freebsd install
00:26<jr_net>ok, but your DNS works now?
00:26<Guest1175>not yet
00:26<Guest1171>anyways...I am out of here...thanks...everyone!
00:27<Guest1175>DNS still doesnt work eventhough I flush dns
00:27<Guest1175>Maybe I am doing the wrong thing
00:27<Peng>Guest1175: Your negative TTL appears to be 1 hour.
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00:27<Peng>Guest1175: You ca
00:28<Guest1175>Uh what do you mean Peng?
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00:31<Hello_>Omg, I guess my internet was down so I couldnt connect the chat
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00:33<Hello_>Hello
00:34<millisa>greetings
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00:37<dcraig>hello
00:37<dcraig>is it me you're looking for?
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00:38<millisa>hope you are in the index
00:39<dcraig>I am the index
00:41<Peng>Oh jeez
00:41<Peng>When Guest1171 left, it thought it was Guest1175!
00:41<dcraig>silly goose
00:41<millisa>nah, that was fake filesystem-bsd guy
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00:42<arlen>he reminded of a kid who clicks a couple buttons to install linux then tells all his friends he's a leet haxor
00:43<millisa>glad I wasn't the only one with that vibe
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00:46<ArcaneFeenix>millisa, worked great :)
00:46<millisa>woot
00:47<ArcaneFeenix>deciding now if I want domain level policies or white/black lists
00:49<millisa>why not both?
00:49<ArcaneFeenix>Don't know if they will really be needed, thats all.
00:49<millisa>(you can have policies that match on multiple things. user@domain.tld, @domain.tld, @ isn't uncommon
00:50<millisa>since you are playing with this sort of stuff - you may also want to look at greylisting or sqlgrey (the setup is easier than amavis)
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00:50<ArcaneFeenix>But it only grabs the policy for the first found and I planned on each user having their own policy. As far as white/black lists I think domain level might be helpful.
00:50<millisa>you end up delaying mail the first time someone sends to your user, but it cuts down a huge amount of work that scanners even have to do.
00:51<millisa>http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/ if you want to consider it
00:51<ArcaneFeenix>I'll check it out. Haven't heard of greylisting
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00:51<millisa>the way it works is the first time the triplicate of sender-receiver-smtpsender comes in, postfix will just give a temporary deny (4xx). a legit server will just hang on to the mail and retry it at whatever interval they have.
00:52<millisa>sqlgrey remembers them - the next time they try, it lets that from->to->smtpserver through and then whitelists it.
00:52<millisa>spammers rarely queue up their messages, they try once and give up.
00:53<millisa>the biggest drawback is the first time somethign mails you, you are beholden to the remote sending server on retrying before you get your mail (which can be frustrating the first time you or your user wants to do a password recovery mail)
00:53<ArcaneFeenix>Interesting. This sounds good
00:53<ArcaneFeenix>Oh... good point.
00:53<millisa>most servers will retry in 2-5 minutes. some will sit on it for an hour
00:54<millisa>and some senders are seriously misconfigured and retry 3 times in 2 minutes and then send a bounce (that's pretty uncommon though since greylisting isn't an uncommon thing)
00:55<ArcaneFeenix>Can you configure sqlgrey to put an entry in the wb table so that amavis uses it or is it self-contained?
00:55<millisa>I've never tried; I don't think it's got anything in it by default that'd do something like that.
00:55<ArcaneFeenix>And actually, I guess you wouldn't want it put in the wb table as that would bypass checks
00:55<millisa>sqlgrey is a triplicate auto-whitelist though.
00:56<millisa>it's a completely separate thing from amavis/spamassassin though, so it's easy to put it in, try it out, see what it generates, and then back out of it.
00:57<JeremyE77>I am not sure how far in you are. This has often been my *starting* point though. http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html
01:00<ArcaneFeenix>I believe I am already doing RBL checks with amavis. I haven't dug into it that much though
01:01<JeremyE77>It's nice to knock them out before amavis. Amavis is more of a system hit than postscreen is.
01:01<JeremyE77>of course your situation might vary
01:01<ArcaneFeenix>I'm sure it is. I'll take a look at it, though. It's only going to be ~2 user mail server
01:02<ArcaneFeenix>But expandability is always nice
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02:10<amarcs42444>hi
02:10<amarcs42444>i need help i want to buy hosting
02:10<amarcs42444>can you provide me details
02:10<Peng>What kind of details?
02:10<Woet>Peng is 173 centimers tall.
02:11<Woet>centimeters too
02:14<amarcs42444>i mean currenty i have dedicated server with other hosting provider but now i want to move other hosting provider
02:14<amarcs42444>this is a wordpress blog
02:14<amarcs42444>daily visitor rate is 399K and this is just a story site
02:16<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Ok, so what is your question?
02:16<amarcs42444>can i move to your server
02:16<Meyer_>amarcs42444: What details are you looking for
02:16<Meyer_>amarcs42444: I am sure Linode will accept you as a customer
02:17<amarcs42444>you are supporting wordpress site
02:17<Woet>amarcs42444: its a Linux VPS.
02:17<amarcs42444>you are also providing dedicated server
02:17<Woet>no.
02:18<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Why are you looking to change hosting provider?
02:18<amarcs42444>which hosting you will suggest me
02:18<amarcs42444>site is slow
02:18<Woet>amarcs42444: you know you're buying an unmanaged Linux VPS right?
02:18<Woet>amarcs42444: you should know the answers to those questions yourself.
02:18<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Do you have someone to manage your server?
02:18<amarcs42444>i wanted to buy managed
02:19<amarcs42444>no i don't have
02:19<Woet>then get https://www.linode.com/managed
02:19<Peng>!pro
02:19<linbot>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
02:19<FluffyKitteh>Linode Managed is more incident response than full managed though
02:20<amarcs42444>can you tell me specification of server
02:20<Woet>amarcs42444: read the website.
02:20<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Size of Linode needed is hard to estimate based on your information. But you should be able to make it work with anything from a 2GB to a 8GB Linode
02:20<FluffyKitteh>https://www.linode.com/pricing
02:21<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Depends on how heavy your plugins are and how much caching can be utilised.
02:22<amarcs42444>but my current server having 32 gb ram and 100 tb bandwidth
02:23<Meyer_>amarcs42444: Your current server probably is misconfigured
02:24<amarcs42444>wha do you mean??
02:24<Meyer_>amarcs42444: That if you run out of resources something is setup wrong
02:25<Meyer_>amarcs42444: If you have 32GB ram and most likely something like 4 cores you should be able to handle a lot of traffic
02:26<amarcs42444>Xeon E5-2620 v212 Cores x 2.1 GHz 32 GB DDR3 2 x 240 GB SSD 100 TB
02:26<Woet>amarcs42444: have you considered debugging the issue instead of just switching provider?
02:27<Meyer_>that is a quite powerful machine
02:27<amarcs42444>yes but my hosting provider telling me server is fine but site is still very slow
02:27<Woet>so get someone to debug and resolve it..
02:28<amarcs42444>can you suggest me how this server problem can be solve i mean how can be make website more faster
02:28<Meyer_>That would be my advice too
02:29<Meyer_>Find someone who can help you figure out what the problem is. Do not take action before you know for sure where the issue lies
02:29<amarcs42444>ok sir thanks
02:29<Meyer_>Else you might just be wasting time and money on the wrong things
02:29<amarcs42444>??
02:31<Meyer_>amarcs42444: What I mean is that you need to know what the problem is before taking action. If not you are just guessing
02:31<amarcs42444>what do you mean ??
02:31<amarcs42444>yes sam i am just guessing
02:32<amarcs42444>thanks for sugesion
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02:32<Meyer_>amarcs42444: What you need to do now is to find someone that can help you look over your wordpress site and your server
02:32<Meyer_>Oh
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05:40<Gwyn>Hi guys! My apps are CPU-bound - should I expect that a Linode 24GB (8 cores) has double the performance of a Linode 8GB (4 cores)?
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05:41<Gwyn>What does 'cores' even mean in this context, given that the server is shared? Is it that I'm guaranteed a minimum of full utilisation of X cores on a box that has Y cores? Where can I see what CPUs/etc are used? (For the purpose of comparing likely performance vs eg a dedicated server)
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05:49<nate>Gwyn: They're shared but it's technically pretty rare to see steal, though when there is you can monitor it, so yes you should otherwise generally get full utilization
05:50<nate>Just be warned if you steal resources you might get a ticket from support about it :P
05:50<nate>since you're implying they're mainly CPU heavy stuff
05:50<Gwyn>The graph shows that I was going to 200% CPU... does that mean "200% of my fair share"?
05:50<ponas>that means two cores
05:50<ponas>1 core = 100%
05:51<Gwyn>Hmm - I got a "linode alert" for that, corresponding with slow performance... but it sounds like that actually means "you're still well within your quota but your multithreading sucks"?
05:52<ponas>yeah
05:52<Gwyn>("Your linode has exceeded the notification threshold (90) for CPU usage by averaging 191.2% for the last 2 hours")
05:53<Gwyn>Super weird. It's a rails app with a stack of thin servers, should be using one core per thin..?
05:53<ponas>you can change the notification threshold a higher number. it's just a heads up kind of thing
05:54<Gwyn>I don't mind the alert, but I *also* observed poor app performance.
05:54<Gwyn>Sounds like something other than "your linode is too small" is happening here, though.
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06:08<JeremyE77>Obersver bias. Let it settle. If it is multi core increase your notification to more than 100% or something.
06:12<JeremyE77>I should think Linode's marketing team would have been on that long ago
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06:42<jiggawattz>Hey - what distros use netctl
06:42<jiggawattz>other than ArchLinux
06:46<Zimsky>"steal resources"
06:46<Zimsky>how do you steal what you're already being allocated?
06:46<Zimsky>over/ab-use would be the term
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06:52<arlen>how do you steal money when you're already using money
06:55<jiggawattz>arlen: you weren't allocated that money in the first place
06:55<jiggawattz>society didn't give it to you in the proper way
06:55<arlen>got me there
06:55<jiggawattz>w1n
06:56<arlen>!point jiggawattz
06:56<linbot>arlen: Point given to jiggawattz. (1)
06:56<jiggawattz>w00000000000000000
06:56<jiggawattz>!points
06:56<jiggawattz>!point
06:56<linbot>jiggawattz: (point <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title urmom.rm.wtf/points/add/$nick/$1/".
06:56<jiggawattz>!score
06:56<linbot>jiggawattz: (score <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title urmom.rm.wtf/points/get/$1/".
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06:56<jiggawattz>!score jiggawattz
06:56<linbot>jiggawattz: jiggawattzs score: 1
06:56<arlen>!score arlen
06:57<linbot>arlen: arlens score: 2
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06:58<bazinga>hi.. i see a message from Linode -> "Your Linode, linode*****, has exceeded the notification threshold (90) for CPU Usage by averaging 148.3% for the last 2 hours. "
06:58<bazinga>its in sandbox mode..
06:59<arlen>you can change the threshold
06:59<arlen>for the alert
06:59<bazinga>surprised how can this happen
06:59<bazinga>Yes.. but i want to know the reson for sudden spike in CPU usage
06:59<arlen>if it's not supposed to use that much CPU, time to investigate
07:00<jiggawattz>time to bust out the htop
07:00<jiggawattz>see what's doing shit
07:02<Zimsky><arlen> how do you steal money when you're already using money
07:03<Zimsky>arlen here demonstrating the proper application of infallible logic
07:03<arlen>:(
07:05<JeremyE77>See, someone needs to send that one over to marketing :P
07:06<JeremyE77>They would want to know :) trust me :)
07:06<Zimsky>JeremyE77 what have I told you about thinking?
07:07<JeremyE77>It seems easier than pissing around about nothing :)
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07:21<pradeep>i need cpanel ,how much does it cost,is it included in 20$/month with 2GB of RAM
07:21<pradeep>10$/month i mean
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07:23<Zimsky>no
07:23<Zimsky>linode managed includes it though
07:23<JeremyE77>GL finding that price. It is not included in the standard offering. Cpanel is purchased from third parties (e.g) https://store.cpanel.net/
07:23<Zimsky>https://www.linode.com/managed
07:24<Zimsky>linode managed is $100/month though
07:25<pradeep>can i install cpanel myself?
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07:25<Meyer_>pradeep: yes
07:25<pradeep>do u have any readmade scripts?
07:26<Zimsky>no
07:26<Zimsky>but you can search on google for them
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07:26<Meyer_>pradeep: https://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/11078-professional-cPanel
07:26<pradeep>is there any discount or coupon code if i signup ,planning for 2GB RAM
07:27<Meyer_>pradeep: https://www.linode.com/stackscripts/browse?ss_vendor=&ss_keyword=cpanel
07:27<pradeep>I am looking for UBUNTU
07:27<JeremyE77>Very needful...this one
07:27<Zimsky>you can install ubuntu
07:28<JeremyE77>It's a standard install for all the systems it supports. You just run a shell script and configure it from the web a long annoying time later.
07:29<pradeep>I am currently using shared hosting where there lot of applications,who can move it ?
07:29<Zimsky>you can pay someone to do migrations for you
07:29<Zimsky>I think linode offers that service (limited though)
07:30<Zimsky>but the standard plans that linode offers are just what you see there. A server.
07:31<pradeep>ok,is there any discount if i buy now?
07:31<JeremyE77>There is a fast forward discount if you buy last week but start today.
07:32<Zimsky>JeremyE77: you're worse than me
07:32<Zimsky>pradeep: I don't quite understand what you mean, but I think not
07:32<JeremyE77>Use promo code DOCS10 for $10 credit on a new account.
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07:32<JeremyE77>Read the docs too :)
07:33<Zimsky>DOCS10000 gives you $10,000 though
07:33<jiggawattz>RTFM
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07:33<jiggawattz>I'm a twat
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07:33<jiggawattz>u aint the real jiggawattz
07:34<Zimsky>where's the other 0.21 of you?
07:36<jiggawattz>w000000000000000000000
07:36<jiggawattz>I'm 1.2.1
07:36<jiggawattz>1.21
07:36<jiggawattz>completely
07:36<Zimsky>yes, making sense is for chumps
07:36<jiggawattz>8=======================================================D
07:36<jiggawattz>Zimsky: ^^^^
07:37<Zimsky>ls
07:37<Zimsky>this is not terminal
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07:40<JeremyE77>That not what my doctor say :(
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07:42<JeremyE77>I was dragging you all around thinking it was inDesign. WTF?!
07:42<arlen>pradeep: cpanel doesn't support ubuntu
07:43<pradeep>anything similar to cpanel for easy use
07:43<pradeep>?
07:43<arlen>cli
07:44<Zimsky>^
07:45<Zimsky>pretty easy to use here
07:45<pradeep>do i need to add DOC10 under promotional code which is optional
07:45<Zimsky>arlen: open, net or free?
07:45<JeremyE77>lord, another nuclear scientist coming online. Look out.
07:45<arlen>Zimsky: ?
07:46<arlen>pradeep: yes
07:46<Zimsky>arlen: that answers my question too
07:46<arlen>k
07:46<pradeep>The Referral Code you have entered is invalid. • The Promotion Code you have entered is either expired or invalid.
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07:47<arlen>Zimsky: if you were asking about bsd, none
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07:48<arlen>pradeep: it's DOCS10
07:48<arlen>forgot the S
07:48<Zimsky>sweet jesus
07:51<pradeep>where can i get ssh,ftp access
07:51<jiggawattz>pradeep: buy a vps
07:52<DrJ>ftp: 90's
07:52<jiggawattz>SFTP
07:52<DrJ>ssh: default on all distros
07:52<jiggawattz>Man I miss 90s internet
07:52<jiggawattz>so fuckin fun
07:52<DrJ>:)
07:52<jiggawattz>SMURFIN
07:53<DrJ>seriously though pradeep, use sftp like jiggawattz... FTP itself should not even be installed
07:53<DrJ>*like jiggawattz said
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07:59<michael_>i want to cancel my purshased as speed and ping is owful in japan 2
07:59<michael_>it ask me to pay dollars to refunds
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07:59<michael_>what the fuck??
08:00<arlen>cancel the account then email and ask for a refund
08:01<Zimsky>read as "ping is owlful"
08:01<Zimsky>and thought, "why is your latency full of owls?"
08:02<Zimsky>then I thought "what kind of owls live in japan?"
08:02<Zimsky>and dollars are best dollars, michael_
08:03<michael_>5 dollars
08:04<Zimsky>best I can do is 7 dollars
08:04<michael_>deal asshole
08:04<Zimsky>I got an old buddy who specialises in these things
08:04<Zimsky>wow okay then
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08:05<Zimsky>that went better than expected
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08:07<pradeep>I already bought for 10$
08:08<Zimsky>marvellous weather we're having
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08:26<cbirk>can i use my linode to take over the world
08:26<arlen>yes
08:26<cbirk>thx
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08:26<arlen>np
08:26<cbirk>l337
08:28<pradeep>not able to create from disk image
08:28<pradeep> Not enough unallocated disk space to deploy in this configuration.
08:31<JeremyE77>Missed a few steps. Notable allocating disk space?
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09:38<Trinity>what is cpu passthrough?
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09:41<jiggawattz>Trinity: you get access to the host CPU's instruction set
09:41<jiggawattz>instead of a generic hypervisor CPU
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10:49<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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10:50<cruxeternus>Five. Five dollar. Five dollar Lin-noooode.
10:50<dzho>aw yeah
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10:56<ponas>I'd like a $1 Linode tyvm
10:56<dzho>find 4 friends and split it.
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10:57<cruxeternus>^
10:58<cruxeternus>Hmm, I wonder if time-shared Linodes could become a thing....
10:59<Eugene>chroots are a hell of a thing
10:59<cruxeternus>but they aren't a security measure!
10:59<dzho>cruxeternus: if only we had a multi-user operating system we could run on them.
11:00<cruxeternus>Well, I was implying a model similar to time-shared condos.
11:00<dzho>so, Linodes in Aruba
11:00<cruxeternus>Each person gets full use of the Linode for 2 weeks a year, or some such
11:00<dzho>haha
11:00<cruxeternus>scheduled in advance, split between 26 people
11:00<cruxeternus>and impossible to get out of
11:01<dzho>that might be an interesting twist on the tilde.town idea.
11:01<cruxeternus>Wait, I think I described AWS :(
11:01<Eugene>Condo associations are the wurst
11:01<dzho>YOU HAVE THE HOST FOR 2 WEEKS MAKE THE MOST OF IT
11:01<ponas>"I promise to only log in during my allotted time slot."
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12:18<Guest1206>Hi, I work for MeetMe. We are seeing spammers scrape our API, and they seem to be using Linode servers to do so. Who should I contact to report this?
12:19<nate>abuse@linode.com
12:20<nate>Though considering the silly amount of kik spam on there I feel like a better solution would be to clean up the API, add some better bot checkers, blacklists, etc else you guys are gonna spend FOREVER reporting abuses :P
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12:24<Guest1206>@nate thanks :)
12:24<nate>no prob lol
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12:25<Guest1206>we're aware of the kik problem... working on getting rid of them as well
12:26<nate>I look forward to it, shit makes matches such a clusterfudge :P
12:27*nate would figure a lot of them could be nuked via an internal blacklist of some sort, would be surprised if they weren't using a lot of the same IP sources to just keep re-doing the accounts, if it's not already being done
12:27<nate>anywhoot, prob should get back to worrying about my own code for the moment lol
12:28<Peng><Guest> Linode IPs are attacking me. <nate> On another subject, what you need is more IP blacklists. <Linode> Nooooooooo
12:30<nate>Peng: well I didn't mean it THAT way, though to be fair I'd wonder about the viability of tunneling through linode for something like meetme anyways :P
12:30<nate>especially as I would imagine a good number of their userbase are using the mobile apps
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12:55<Eugene>african-american-list*
13:08<react>welp TIL: avoid MeetMe at all costs
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13:09<Peng>D:
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13:11<grawity>hmm, I've never heard of MeetMe but is it like Omegle or something?
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13:27<nate>grawity: It was a generic hookup thing for a long time, now it's a semi-active general social platform
13:27<nate>but it's full of fake accounts just trying to get you to go to kik or send them snapchat cash and shit
13:30<csnxs>nate add me on k1k for linudes bb
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13:43<guvyer>can any provide suggestionson the best way to use high sotrage on linode?
13:43<guvyer>we need latrge storage for video
13:43<guvyer>we need large storage for video
13:45<Peng>Well.
13:45<Peng>You can buy a bunch of Linodes of sufficient size.
13:45<Eugene>guvyer - I have had/herd of good success using a S3 FUSE mount; Block Storage will in Beta "eventually"
13:46<Peng>Less alarming to use the S3 API
13:46<Eugene>If your application supports it
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14:17<guvyer>thank you very much
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14:41<pesho>hello
14:41<pesho>I have a question
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14:44<Karrde>so ask
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14:47<Eugene>Bawitdaba da bang-a-dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up drop the boogie
14:48<SleePy>Graphs broken in Linode Manager for anyone else?
14:49<Eugene>F5 harder, just to make sure
14:49<millisa>mine are working
14:51<SleePy>Hmm, broken images for me. Even history ones are broke
14:52<SleePy>-bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
14:53<SleePy>:\ Darn owncloud.. Filling up my drive with tons of sess_* and I have to delete them the other way now
14:57<millisa>find dir -name "*.whateverpattern" -type f -mtime +7 -exec rm {} \; ?
14:58<Peng>find -dlete
14:58<Peng>find -delete
14:58*millisa finds Peng. Now it's my turn to hide!
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15:00<SleePy>Yea, I'm using find, its really slow though
15:01<SleePy>I used a different directory than the default one in php-fpm and garbage collection didn't happen. So there is about 5 gb of sess_* files. Don't even want to count how many that is
15:01<Peng>oh dear
15:01<millisa>that's usually what ends up killing my linode backups.
15:01<millisa>orphaned session files from php...
15:02<SleePy>hehe, my backups is how I noticed it as well. Haven't taken a manual backup in months and noticed it was abnormally larger than the previous
15:02<millisa>with the automated linode ones, they end up getting stuck somewhere in the 2-3 million file range
15:02<Peng>Isn't it nice that modern filesystems support more than 32k files per directory
15:03<SleePy>Depends on what you call nice..
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15:18<Olivier>Hi there! Is there a way to order more bandwidth and data transfer?
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15:19<Atul>Hi there...
15:19<csnxs>Olivier, yes, upgrade your linode ^_^
15:19<cruxeternus>Or buy additional Linodes :)
15:19<Olivier>Without upgrading :O?
15:19<csnxs>what cruxeternus said
15:19<Atul>I just wanted to know is Linode has their own cdn system or I have to build manually
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15:20<cruxeternus>Every $10/mo Linode you but gets you an additional 2 TB transfer per month across all Linodes.
15:20<cruxeternus>you buy*
15:20<cruxeternus>Plus, you'll get 30GB of storage, which if you have a distributed file system or similar, you can also use across all Linodes.
15:20<cruxeternus>The downside, of course, is you do have to set that up and manage it yourself.
15:21<Olivier>Alright, then I know enough :-) Thanks!
15:21<cruxeternus>The network transfer is easy though
15:21<cruxeternus>For that, you don't even need to turn the extra Linodes on :P
15:23<Atul>Hi Guys Help me out...
15:23<Atul>I just wanted to know is Linode has their own cdn system or I have to build manually???
15:23<millisa>they don't have a cdn. but you could build one or use another?
15:24<Atul>any suggestions about software...
15:24<Eugene>I like nginx with a disk cache
15:25<Eugene>I've been toying with the idea of a fleet of $5 Linode proxies.... can't figure out how to deal with monetizing in a way that isn't annoying to me
15:25<Atul>Thanks Guys...
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15:28<Guest1219>Guys one more question which dns server would be better bind or anything else.
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15:40<ranjeet>what is the distribution id of centos 7
15:40<ranjeet>?
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15:41<relidy>ranjeet: https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.distributions
15:42<@caker>129 looks like?
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16:26<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Question about Self-Signed Certificates <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14582&p=72834#p72834> || Feature Request/Bug Report • Block storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13918&p=72833#p72833>
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18:32<raistlinthewiz>hey there, is extras tabs removed? so i can't add extra storage / ip any more?
18:32<csnxs>they got removed a few years ago
18:33<raistlinthewiz>so i can't attach extra storage i guess?
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18:33<csnxs>no
18:34<csnxs>but they're working on a block storage solution which will be beta soon
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18:35<csnxs>k bue
18:35<csnxs>bye
18:35<csnxs>you're welcome
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18:47*millisa still has an extras tab :)
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18:50<dwfreed>that it shows up is a bug
18:50<millisa>too late. i've ordered an addition 360mb of ram
18:51<millisa>i expect it'll go away on that account when I finally am allowed to take it to hourly billing
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18:52*millisa adds on the extra 10000GB/month for the $12000/year price
18:52<dwfreed>lol
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18:55<millisa>https://ibin.co/3D63eFIfuCW3.png https://ibin.co/3D63X44qx9BD.png https://ibin.co/3D63R8HhD6dH.png Look at those deals!
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19:00<arlen>wow
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19:06<arlen>:D
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19:07<Cromulent>damn you microsoft word for trying to change maths into math
19:08<Cromulent>maybe I have the American dictionary running?
19:08<dwfreed>probably
19:09<Cromulent>nope UK language - weird
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19:29<JeremyE77>Not knowing much about vrtiualization. I am curious where those resources cam from, that are now available to sell, but were not previously available to sell.
19:32<Cromulent>JeremyE77: maybe they did live migration to bigger hosts? http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Migration
19:33<JeremyE77>As good as naything I have :)
19:34<Cromulent>ah I just read the document in more detail doesn't sound like you can without suspending the VM
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19:41<defabios>hello
19:42<millisa>greetings
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19:44<defabios>I would like to know if the "Linode 1GB" is possible to install cpanel in it?
19:44<millisa>Well, technically it meets the minimum requirements... hard to say how well it'd perform
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19:45<millisa>assuming centos7, the min ram cpanel lists is 1gb and min disk is 20gb. the $5 linode is exactly that...
19:47<Eugene>Conspiracy!?
19:48*cruxeternus hands out the tinfoil hats.
19:48<millisa>always conspiracy.
19:49<defabios>I host 10 websites and I need to save money, I'm from Brazil ... we're in financial crisis ,,, the expense has to be minimal
19:55<Cromulent>defabios: if you want to save money don't use cPanel
19:59<defabios>I thought about using the panel >> "centos cwp Web Panel"
20:03<arlen>use cli
20:08<defabios>thank you
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20:44<JC>couldn't log into the linode management console. what's going on? it is a whole linode network issue?
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20:47<Ikaros>Works for me.
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20:48<JC>hmm, ok, just tested, now it is back, weird
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20:54<Eugene>Somewhere, a BGP flaps loosely
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21:01<pogsta>hey good folks. i'm having some trouble with domain pointers / aliases. i have a site properly working (call it sitenew.com). i want the old domain (call it siteold.com) to direct to sitenew.com. since it doesn't need to do HTTP forwarding i'm trying to do this with CNAME records. i have pointed both domains nameservers to ns1.linode.com and ns2.linode.com. i created a CNAME record that points siteold.com to sitenew.com. however doing
21:02<pogsta>with a servfail
21:02<Peng>What's the exact name?
21:03<Peng>The zone apex, e.g. example.com, cannot have a CNAME record. www.example.com, CNAME all you want. example.com, no.
21:03<cruxeternus>He put a server on the Internet, but he'd really rather you didn't know it was there.
21:03<Peng>Also, you got cut off at "however doing"
21:03<kyhwana>you can't CNAME "root" domains
21:03<kyhwana>Also don't redact DNS, honestly
21:03<Peng>Some DNS providers sort of support it with magic
21:04<kyhwana>(register a new domain with an NS you control and then see how many queries you get, even though you havn't published the domain name anywhere, you'll be surprised)
21:04<Peng>and how many phone calls about web design you get, if you don't enable whois privacy \o/
21:04<pogsta>so you can't CNAME a root domain? the linode docs show this as an example! https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-records-an-introduction#cname
21:05<kyhwana>pogsta: well, you CAN, but then you can't have any other records (such as MX, etc)
21:05<millisa>the root domain shows an A record on that page.
21:05<Peng>pogsta: You can't CNAME *from* a root domain. You can CNAME *to* a root domain.
21:05<Peng>kyhwana: or NS...
21:05<kyhwana>Peng: oohh
21:05<Peng>(or SOA)
21:05<millisa>oh, I see what you are pointing to
21:05<Peng>which is why it's Against Internet Law
21:06<@caker>just dupe the A records in the new zone .. it's not that hard to maintain if just a few zones and you avoid double dns lookups
21:07<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview#clone-domain-zones
21:10<zifnab>so this discussion is why 'do-not-cname-root.zifnab06.net' was a thing before i moved to cloudflare
21:10<zifnab>i lost email at least twice due to that
21:12<pogsta>lots of answers here but i'm not really clear on any of them.
21:12<pogsta>i don
21:13<pogsta>i don't want a new domain zone because i don't want to setup a vhost for this domain
21:13<Eugene>pogsta - caker's advice is sound. Just copy the IP address from the new domain to the old one; CNAMEs are not what you want. Make the new server answer for the old domain as well
21:13<Eugene>vhosts aren't hard.
21:13<Eugene>DNS redirects are
21:14<pogsta>huh - so it's actually easier to make a new vhost that points to the same site than it is to tell one domain to point to another?
21:15<Eugene>Yeah. DNS was not built with the WWW in mind - rather the other way around, historically
21:16<pogsta>DNS sounds like MIDI. we keep using it because it's what everyone uses.
21:16<Eugene>If it ain't broke, fix it until you can't read through all the RFCs in one bottle
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21:40<pogsta>one more question - if i want the new domain to show in the address bar, is a 301 the only way to do this? using ServerAlias in my vhost does not achieve this.
21:41<millisa>setup a vhost for the old domain that just does a 301 to the new domain
21:41<JeremyE77>If you have to use one the bastards, webmin is free and as reasonable as any other. http://www.webmin.com/
21:42<JeremyE77>Heh, I am buffered up. Back to the present :P
21:42<Ikaros>Heh
21:42<Ikaros>JeremyE77: I actually used it right up until I learned its SSL mode didn't have support for PFS ciphers.
21:43<Ikaros>I'm a security-minded kind of guy so that seems a bit unacceptable to me.
21:43<JeremyE77>I don't know what it is like anymore. Seems you could probably jump over that if you really wanted though. I am not gonna defend it :P
21:44<Ikaros>Well yeah its head programmer didn't know how to do it with Perl.
21:44<Ikaros>But I did. >.>
21:45<JeremyE77>That's what ya get for not using PHP ;)
21:46<pogsta>millisa: thanks. like a charm it worked.
21:46<millisa>i use something similar to this in lots of places: https://vomitb.in/QmhieFnTgS
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21:48<millisa>(though I guess that redirectmatch should have a $1 at the end)
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21:48<JeremyE77>It's more secure without it/
21:48<millisa>some folks like to have the path retained
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21:49<millisa>something something seo-nakeoil
21:49<JeremyE77>pssh. You, really, only need one page.
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21:50<JeremyE77>This concert program I am working on. however, has grown to 32 pages. The print shop is gonna have a good week :)
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22:05<Cromulent>hmm how do I add the day month and year to the end of a filenam in bash - I have the following: mysqldump db_pass_etc > filename.sql and it works but I need to date stamp it so I can run it as a cron script
22:07<Cromulent>ah worked it out
22:07<Cromulent>sorry
22:10<JeremyE77>man, I was excited to get out the stamp making kit!
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22:15<Eugene>!catfacts
22:15<linbot>Eugene: A cat named Dusty, aged 1 7, living in Bonham, Texas, USA, gave birth to her 420th kitten on June 23, 1952.
22:15<JeremyE77>I wonder at which number kitten they decided they were counting them?
22:16<Nivex>I forsee that getting as bad as !vend
22:17<millisa>weird that the date is wrong
22:17<Eugene>!itvends
22:17<millisa>it was june 12th
22:17<linbot>It vends! a Tupperware lid
22:17<Eugene>I don't see any problems with this, so long as people don't abuse it
22:17<Eugene>Right guys?
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23:04<praetorian>Eugene: abuse it? us? never. what do you take this for? the internet?
23:05<Eugene>Dongs
23:07<JeremyE77>Tomato, tomato
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23:31<Cromulent>hmm the lish web console is way better than I remembered it being
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23:43<lipkin>hello
23:43<lipkin>i;m new user
23:44<lipkin>my account pending, when it will be active?
23:44<kyhwana>when it's active
23:44<Cromulent>it shouldn't be long - just have to wait
23:44<lipkin>waiting about 24 hours
23:44<lipkin>or is there smth i should do
23:45<Cromulent>you need to send the documents off you were asked for in the email
23:45<Cromulent>should have got it straight after you registered
23:45<lipkin>Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
23:45<lipkin>that is the message
23:46<Cromulent>you should have got a second email as it says
23:46<Ikaros>What he's saying is there should have been one after that
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23:48<Cromulent>well that went well upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and everything seems to be working although it uninstalled PHP for some reason which I needed to reinstall
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23:51<lipkin>i see
23:51<lipkin>i have to upload some credentials
23:51<lipkin>i didn't see it
23:51<lipkin>thanks
23:51<Cromulent>no worries
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