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00:38<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Wordpress Stackscript Database name? <>
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01:11<CrypticBash>Hey everyone. I followed these instructions: to install Ubuntu v14.04 using the net installer. All is working well but I got to where you change the "Grub" config file under /etc/default/grub and am now having issues. It's only allowing me to boot in GLISH and in LISH it's stuck on " Stopping System V runlevel compatibility"
01:12<CrypticBash>I can login and manage the machine using GLISH but can't ssh or use LISH.
01:15<CrypticBash>I installed everything exact to that and changed the grub config exactly like it states. Just not sure if maybe I need to add an additional line or something.
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01:34<khou>hello.. I'm looking for some possible help :|
01:34<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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01:39<dcraig>millisa scared off another one
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01:40<Ikaros>Perhaps they misinterpret that somehow.
01:40<millisa>I must have only been offering impossible help
01:40<Ikaros>Oh well. Their loss.
01:40<dcraig>Ikaros! :D
01:40<Ikaros>Oh shit damn.
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01:44*zifnab mails
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01:47<dcraig>sup trr
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01:49<trr>Can I pay with paypal?
01:51<trr>Do I have to bind my credit card before paying with paypal?
01:52<millisa>Did you see the 'Note' in the blue box?
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01:56<Ikaros>Wow, did that really need to be expressed in all caps
01:56<millisa>Well, they did say HI.
02:09<rsdehart>I read trr's question to the tune of "can I play with madness"
02:13<Cromulent>every thing sounds better to Iron Maiden tracks
02:18<rsdehart>this is correct
02:20<Zimsky>hydrogen iodide
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03:13<slzhang>Anyone know for hackathon sponsorship inquiries, who should I contact at Linode?
03:18<Cromulent>no idea I guess a short email to support would be the best place to start or maybe sales - I don't know if they have a dedicated email for things like that
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03:35<slzhang>Thanks :)
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04:08<JeremyE77>I am not sure I like someone name "thoplock" updating my tickets. I was concerned someone was into my account for a vrief moment.
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05:18<dr_van_nostrand>got a yum cron question
05:19<dr_van_nostrand>if I set the updates to "security" does that require a reboot?
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05:21<dr_van_nostrand>also are the /etc/yum cron files active once yum-cron is running>?
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05:39<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Glish resolution <>
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05:46<zhaoxichao>I want to refund my money
05:47<zhaoxichao>how can I do?
05:47<nate>contact support via ticket
05:48<zhaoxichao>I have contacted cia ticket, but I haven' receive reply
05:49<nate>So you wait
05:49<nate>this is a community channel largely, if support were available here they'd be replying to your ticket :P
05:51<zhaoxichao>By the way, I woder whther this system will cut payment from my credit card automaticall
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06:39<ponas>Opal`: :@
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06:43<jiggawattz>Opal`: smoke a choad
06:43<Opal`>suck my nutzzz twinks
06:43<jiggawattz>Opal`: you don't have any nuts
06:43<jiggawattz>you have a little cornnut maybe
06:43<jiggawattz>a little pencil dick
06:43<arlen>feel free to just ignore him
06:43<jiggawattz>arlen: nah
06:44<jiggawattz>I like insulting these children
06:44<Woet>jiggawattz: stop being rude
06:44<arlen>then feel free to do it in pm
06:44<jiggawattz>Woet: start being smart
06:44<ponas>Woet: Opal` is at least twice as rude
06:44<jiggawattz>come on Wouter
06:44<jiggawattz>Wouter is smarter than that
06:44<jiggawattz>Wouter is a fuckin devops engineer senior
06:45<Woet>the senior goes in front
06:45<jiggawattz>Not in NL
06:45<jiggawattz>oh maybe it does
06:45<Woet>i havent worked for a NL company since 2012
06:45<Woet>salaries suck
06:45<jiggawattz>but it's such a nice place to live
06:45<jiggawattz>with weed
06:45<jiggawattz>and hookers
06:45<jiggawattz>and sozialism
06:46<jiggawattz>it's what Karl Marx dreamed about
06:46<jiggawattz>what he could never make in Germany and what the Slavs could never emulate exactly
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07:47<cbirk>got some hate messages from Opal`
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08:22<fantasymashups>Hi our site is becoming quite the success! We were planning to switch datacenters if it became a success but linode seems to be working out very well stability and cost wise. Now that we are expanding I need to put more production controls in place
08:22<fantasymashups>We have a single instance now hosting prod and dev
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08:23<fantasymashups>I need to setup another instance to host bamboo for deployments
08:23<fantasymashups>Is it recommended that I setup a small build instance to install build/deploy tools on
08:23<fantasymashups>and deploy from there
08:23<fantasymashups>or is there some sort of cloud based deployment tools that you recommended for php app deployments and simple database migrations/update scripts
08:24<fantasymashups>Typically I would setup a dev tools instance and install and build and deploy from that instance and have prod locked down, wasn't sure if there were any fancy cloud based deploy tools used theese days
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08:58<cbirk>whos admin??
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08:58<tang>I registered account tips let me verify it
08:59<tang>But I am using a virtual credit card
08:59<tang>Please help me
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09:00<tang>The administrator in?
09:00<ponas>the admins are at
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09:32<lVathan>I have a question about changing my account
09:32<@nbrewer>okay, what's the question?
09:34<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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09:39<lVathan>I currently have one account at 20 dollars a month, how do I swtich to two accounts at 10 dollars each
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09:41<dzho>downsize your $20 account, then add a second account?
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09:41<lVathan>how do I downsize an account?
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10:03<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
10:10<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Postfix SSL to MariaDB <>
10:19<SNy>cbirk, and who it may concern: you might want to try setting some modes to block the likes of Opal.
10:19<SNy>"Server: Opal`[] is messaging you, and you are umode +g or +G."
10:19<SNy>Really helps with keeping annoyances low.
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10:20<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Postfix SSL to MariaDB <>
10:20<SNy>Especially since irssi is having trouble closing lots of windows.
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10:30<mwdavid>We have submitted an abuse report of one of our sites getting attacked from Linode servers (many IPs)... how long does it take to investigate?
10:30<mwdavid>Would like to see those jerks banned for life please :)
10:31<SNy>This is a community channel, we won't be able to help you with that.
10:31<@nbrewer>mwdavid: we have people looking into abuse complaints around the clock, we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
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10:52<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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10:52<sahabuddin> linode2346583
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10:53<sahabuddin>the services of this server is not working
10:53<@nbrewer>we can't do anything specific to your account in this irc channel. if you're having a service issue with your Linode, you should open a ticket.
10:54<Ayan>Well we already but it's a very urgent issue
10:54<Ayan>Is there any call support or chat support available ?
10:54<@nbrewer>no chat, but we do offer phone support:
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11:07<steve1985_>is there a way to reboot into rescue mode via the API?
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11:09<steve1985_>nevermind looks like there's an "isRescue" key in the linode configuration profile
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11:10<Y3K>Is it possible to pay with PayPal my or not?
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11:10<Y3K>I read an article stating that it's possible, but can't find the option anywhere.
11:12<@mcintosh>Y3K: you have to use a debit or credit card when opening your account - you can make manual payments with PayPal from that point on
11:12<@mcintosh>currently, it is not possible to make automated payments via PayPal
11:13<Y3K>mcintosh: Can I pre-pay a certain amount via PayPal and have that credit for my Linodes (i.e. like DO does?, yes, I'm a DO client looking for a migration)
11:13<Y3K>? < dropped that
11:14<@mcintosh>yes - you can do that - you'd use the make a payment feature to add a positive balance to your account
11:14<@mcintosh>when a linode account has a positive balance, invoices will draw from that balance until it reaches 0 prior to charging the payment card that is on-file
11:14<Y3K>mcintosh: but you _still_ need my CC info, right?
11:14<@mcintosh>that is correct
11:17<Y3K>mcintosh: is it possible to ask support to manually skip the cc info and add the PayPal credit instead of the 7 days free? My CC is limited for certain online payments (and PayPal is whitelisted)
11:21<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Suggestions for alternatives to PhpMyAdmin <>
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12:10<PanchoGuru>I have an ongoing error (17 hours now) thats using 100% of my cpu, it states the following: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/sbin/p0f -i any -u cpanelconnecttrack -d -s /var/cpanel/userhomes/cpanelconnecttrack/p0f.socket less 400 and not dst port 80 and nost dst port 443 and tcp[13] & 8==0 any idea what that means? couldn´t find any documentation online
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13:56<FaNt0m>I have a question about billing...
13:57<FaNt0m>on the signup page, it says I would be billed if my box is powered off, if so, how does hourly billing work
13:57<dwfreed>you are billed for the time your Linode exists
13:58<dwfreed>delete the linode, and you're not billed anymore
13:58<FaNt0m>what would be a use-case where you would benefit from the hourly billing?
13:58<dwfreed>frequent creation and deletion of Linodes
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14:29*gr_wity pokes grawity
14:29<gr_wity>the hell, even Lish hangs
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14:30<dwfreed>gr_wity: something something mtr?
14:31<gr_wity>well I can ssh to lish-london just fine, but I can't make it attach to the specific linode
14:31<dwfreed>host is dead, then
14:31<grawity>aaaand it's back it seems
14:32<grawity>it's on london1190, fwiw
14:32*dwfreed blames mcintosh
14:32<grawity>also, oddly, unrealircd on this same VPS keeps complaining about time jumps
14:33<grawity>I'm sure it didn't do that before I'd clicked the "claim RAM upgrade" button...
14:33<dwfreed>time is a weird thing
14:35<JeremyE77>Grawity and Tine. Two of natures strangest forces. Perhaps NTP is settling in after rebooting?
14:35<grawity>doubt it
14:35<dwfreed>ntpd will only jump once
14:35<grawity>it's been ~3 days, `ntpdate -q` shows nearly no offset
14:35<grawity>and yet I get ircd notices about 25-second jumps
14:35<dwfreed>and that's only if you give it -g on commandline
14:35<dwfreed>grawity: O.o
14:36<grawity>I mean, it *could* be the ircd itself, since there's no "systemd[1]: Time changed" in the logs
14:36<HoopyCat>i wonder if ircd is blocking on some shit for 25 seconds at a time
14:37<Peng>maybe te floppy drive needs some WD-40?
14:37<dwfreed>^ it shouldn't be, but that's certainly possible
14:43<gr_wity>hmm, either the host or the linode seems to still have networking problems
14:44<gr_wity> (the other one is on london1184 and is working just fine)
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14:53<JeremyE77>LOL: Regarding candidates that look too technical - make sure you screen them for a customer facing job, especially those that look like they are predominantly backend technical networking
14:53<JeremyE77>Thats a new request
14:53<millisa>how does one look *too* technical?
14:53<millisa>8+ devices on belt.
14:54<millisa>any number of propellors on hat greater than zero.
14:54<millisa>zork t-shirt.
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14:55<JeremyE77>All the above. I think aplkying fro this position might also be a give away :p
14:55<JeremyE77>I typed at an angle. Sorry
14:56<gparent>use italics when that happens
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14:59<JeremyE77>I will keep that in mind for the future :)
14:59<JeremyE77>Good idea!
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15:25<ranjee>hey guys
15:26<ranjee>We are using Nodebalancer
15:26<ranjee>I want to monitor realtime request per sec
15:26<ranjee>for this can you recommend any open source tool
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15:27<kapc0403>I need Help
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15:31<ranjee>[01:56] <ranjee> We are using Nodebalancer [01:56] <ranjee> I want to monitor realtime request per sec [01:56] <ranjee> for this can you recommend any open source tool
15:31<dzho>ranjee: repeating yourself is not a good move
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15:39<ponas>ranjee: I can recommend monitoring the realtime requests per node and then add those numbers together
15:39<ranjee>please tell
15:40<ponas>the "easiest" solution would be something like munin which can give you per-host graphs and has plugins for the popular webservers
15:41<ponas>though grafana is easier to configure to show graphs with aggregated numbers, though it's only the data visualization part so you would need something else gathering data
15:41<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Server support <>
15:43<ponas>also look into graphite and kibana
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15:54<ranjee>hey man i am trying to create linode from ansible but getting massage
15:54<ranjee>unsupported parameter for module: private_ip
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15:54<ranjee>- name: Create linode server via Linode API linode: api_key: "{{ api_key }}" name: "{{ server_hostname }}" plan: "{{ linode_plan }}" datacenter: "{{ linode_datacenter }}" private_ip: yes distribution: "{{ linode_distribution }}" ssh_pub_key: "{{ ssh_pub_key }}" swap: "{{ linode_swap }}" wait: yes wait_timeout: 600 state: present register: tracking
15:54<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
15:55<@mcintosh>ranjee: try private_networking instead of private_ip
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16:02<ranjee>fatal: [localhost]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "failed": true, "msg": "unsupported parameter for module: private_networking"}
16:03<ranjee>did not work
16:03<Eugene>Have you tried turning it off and back on again
16:03<@mcintosh>ranjee: my suggestion was wrong -- private_ip is correct (it looks like it was changed from private_networking at some point)
16:03<ranjee>both are not supported
16:04<@mcintosh>ranjee: output of ansible --version
16:06<@mcintosh>ranjee: I believe that the flag in question may require using ansible 2.3 or later
16:07<ranjee>have you tested it prior?
16:07<@mcintosh>prior to 2.3, ansible used this repo for the modules -> <-- that repo does not contain the "private_ip" or "private_networking" flags
16:09<@mcintosh>ranjee: you can see that the "private_networking" changes were not merged into ansible-modules-core here ->
16:10<ranjee>so how i can add private ip
16:13<@mcintosh>assuming you want to do it through ansible, you'll have to upgrade ansible
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17:07<zifnab>!to zifnab ask
17:07<linbot>zifnab: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
17:07<zifnab>hrm, was there some magic way to force that into a PM
17:07<zifnab>(asking for later)
17:07<@mcintosh>you mean, have linbot PM someone else that? (you can do !ask via PM if you just want linbot to say it to you in PM)
17:09<relidy>linbot and I have wonderful side conversations, usually involving a lot of !help ...
17:10<zifnab>mcintosh: what if i want it to pm you?
17:10<zifnab>(sorry, this is a shitty question - i'm specficially trying to get a supybot elsewhere to do a thing and failing, this is one of the few places i know that still has one)
17:12<dwfreed>zifnab: the ability to do that depends on the bot
17:12<dwfreed>linbot does not have that, iirc
17:12<dwfreed>it will PM me to tell me it doesn't have a "does" command, though >:|
17:12<zifnab>yeah look slike "not by default"
17:13<zifnab>oh well
17:13<linbot>zifnab: Cats take between 20-40 breaths per minute.
17:18<csnxs>!to mcintosh urmom
17:19<linbot>mcintosh: Yo mommas so ignorant, She thinks a computer is the monitor. (12:0/0) [mmour]
17:19<csnxs>its sad people actually think that
17:19<millisa>everyone knows the cpu is the monitor
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17:20<millisa>you shoot it to disable it, duh
17:21<linbot>jfred: Of all the species of cats, the domestic cat is the only species able to hold its tail vertically while walking. All species of wild cats hold their tail horizontally or tucked between their legs while walking.
17:21<@jfred>why did I not know this was a thing
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17:22<csnxs>pfft, I can do that too
17:23<zifnab>jfred: better question, how did *i* know it was a thing and you didn't
17:23<dwfreed>!help catfacts
17:23<linbot>dwfreed: (catfacts <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web title".
17:23<dwfreed>zifnab: because Eugene made it
17:23<zifnab>dwfreed: I plead the 5th. (I can do that, right?)
17:24<dwfreed>you're not testifying in court, so no
17:24<zifnab>i quite possibly wrote a scraper for
17:24<zifnab>it was fun
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17:52<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Do I Have Correct DNS Records to Do Permanent Redirect? <>
17:54*Eugene meows
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18:02<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Server support <> || Linux Networking • Do I Have Correct DNS Records to Do Permanent Redirect? <>
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18:40<JeremyE77>This === long! PHP_FUNCTION(sodium_crypto_box_keypair_from_secretkey_and_publickey)
18:42<JeremyE77>Descriptive though, I guess, heh
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18:51<fantasymashups>Hi, I need to lock down production instances of linode and force php deployments/migration through another linode instance. Basically a build/deploy linode instance, is this the recommended way? Or is there some sort of cloud based deployment technology I am unaware of
18:51<fantasymashups>I was just going to spin up another instance and throw bamboo build server on there
18:51<fantasymashups>any other suggestions?
18:52<@mcintosh>saltstack is a good option
18:53<fantasymashups>whats that? is that a linode stack to deploy?
18:53<@mcintosh>a config management software, it has a module for interfacing with the Linode API
18:54<@mcintosh>you'd want to start with their intro docs, but the linode specific aspects are detailed here:
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20:25<linbot>New news from status: Emergency Network Maintenance - Atlanta <>
20:26<JeremyE77>Atlanta is all up to no good lates.
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20:49<Dan_IF>Atlanta having issues?
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20:49<TheAdmiral>appears so;
20:50<Dan_IF>crap, didn't refresh the page, sorry
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20:55<LeoD>Hi... I lost access to my node (SSH disconnected for no reason), then all websites were down. I'm trying to shutdown or reboot it via the admin interface, but it keeps going without concluding.
20:56<LeoD>Can anyone help me?
20:56<@mcintosh>LeoD: where is your Linode located?
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20:56<JeremyE77>Atlanta is having issue.
20:56<@mcintosh>we're investigating now
20:56<LeoD>Ok, thanks for letting me know
20:57<Dan_IF>yeah, customers are most definitely affected guys.
20:58<arlen>they know
20:58<LeoD>it's been at least 10 minutes that my node is not accessible
20:59<arlen>all you can do is wait
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20:59<TheAdmiral>read a book while you wait.
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21:00<Dan_IF>we understand...I have 20 nodes that are affected...and yeah, my customers don't like the "read a book line: ;)
21:00<TheAdmiral>i'm actually finger painting.
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21:01<arlen>switch to your backup systems in a different data center
21:03<Dan_IF>arlen - in a perfect'd be back up time our rollover plan was processed :(
21:03*TheAdmiral thinks about lexx & yacc
21:04<arlen>seems like you need a quicker plan then.
21:05<Dan_IF>arlen - totally agree, but what does a lowly net/sysadmin know
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21:05<KindOne>Does atlanta still block port 6667?
21:06<KindOne>when did that change?
21:06<Eugene>No, port-blocking stopped when Linode began using their own ASN
21:06<arlen>freenode has a server there
21:06<Eugene>It was previously blocked by the datacenter's default policy, but they are not being used for transit anymore
21:06<KindOne>arlen: yeah, just learned that
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21:09<KindOne>this, ?
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21:15<TheAdmiral>heh, the irony about 'reading' is that the report i was reading was ... on another atl/linode customer site. figures.
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21:17<DrJ>boy I really should just leave Linode... seems that place is the one that always has issues
21:17<DrJ>I mean Atlanta
21:17<DrJ>would never leave Linode
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21:18<TheAdmiral>i'm betting it'll be up by the time i clean up this finger painting mess (including scrubbing down a kybd....)
21:19<TheAdmiral>oops, and mouse.
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21:26<DrJ>I'm assuming the redudant switching didn't work as expected or something
21:27<compuguy>Yeah DrJ my linode in atlanta is down as well
21:27<DrJ>I think they all are
21:27<compuguy>ah ok
21:27<DrJ>at least the 4 I have there all are
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21:28<dwfreed>linbot: apropos mtr
21:28<linbot>dwfreed: iwantanmtr, mtr, mtratlanta, mtratlantatest, mtrdallas, mtrfremont, mtrhe, mtrlondon, mtrnac, mtrnap, mtrnewark, mtrpeng, mtrpengsface, mtrplz, mtrtheplanet, mtrtp, and multimtr
21:28<dwfreed>linbot: mtrdallas
21:28<linbot>dwfreed: The read operation timed out
21:28<dwfreed>linbot: mtrdallas
21:28<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr-dallas] 9.|-- 2001:438:fffe::1cde 66.7% 3 22.7 22.7 22.7 22.7 0.0 -- 10.|-- ??? 100.0 3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -- see for full mtr
21:29<DrJ>maybe I just pay more attention to atlanta because that is where most of my linodes are
21:29<compuguy>DrJ good point
21:30<DrJ>but it really seems that atlanta has 5 issues to every 1 each of the other locations have
21:30<compuguy>Did not know that
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21:31<DrJ>in Linode's defense
21:31<DrJ>most are not their problem
21:31<DrJ>like last week I think it was with the UPS blowing up
21:31<compuguy>That's a mess
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21:32<hyperial>I have a Linode on atlanta509 and it's not responding to a system shutdown via the CP. There any issues on atlanta509?
21:32<PHPWarrior>Atlanta. Fun
21:32<DrJ>hyperial: atlanta is down
21:32<dwfreed>!rss status
21:32<linbot>dwfreed: Scheduled Network Maintenance - London, Frankfurt <> || Emergency Network Maintenance - Atlanta <> || Undersea Cable Fault <> || Connectivity Issues - Singapore <> || Connectivity Issues - Fremont (5 more messages)
21:32<PHPWarrior>Yup whole dc
21:32<hyperial>ok thanks
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21:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Server support <>
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21:40<DrJ>wonder how long this one is going to take
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21:48<DrJ>I hate how linode has UTC time on their status page
21:49<DrJ>who in the world uses UTC time?
21:49<hyperial>Any ETA on Atlanta?
21:49<compuguy>DrJ most servers use UTC
21:49<compuguy>no DST to worry about
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21:49<hyperial>People in UTC time zone. :)
21:49<JeremyE77>I'm still using Swatch time. Genius!
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21:49<compuguy>Downside is that you need to convert it to your actual time zone.
21:50<compuguy>The struggle is real!
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21:51<dwfreed>DrJ: the point of UTC is that you only need to know the offset of your time from UTC
21:51<dwfreed>DrJ: not your time to some random timezone they decided to use
21:51<JeremyE77>lord, people cannot even manage to subtract 12 to translate 24 hr time.
21:52<dwfreed>for reference, it is presently 02:52 UTC
21:52<DrJ>and honestly, I always forget what my offset is
21:52<DrJ>due to how it changes with daylights saving time
21:52<dwfreed>it changes by 1 hour due to daylight savings time
21:52<hyperial>Type UTC into your smartphone world clock... IT's +5 hours EST until daylight savings, then it's +4
21:52<DrJ>okay, so almost an hour since it went down completely then
21:53<FluffyKitteh>I use 24 hour time
21:53<FluffyKitteh>it's actually easier when you have to subtract hours
21:53<compuguy>Good point.
21:54<FluffyKitteh>(or add them, for that matter)
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21:54<arlen>"Because of our redundant switching infrastructure, we do not expect there to be any significant impact to customer traffic." guess that redundant switching isn't so redundant
21:55<JeremyE77>well, i found out a thing of mine wasnt so redundant either. I kind of wish they would hurry :P
21:55<compuguy>DrJ I forget as well
21:55<JeremyE77>my bad though
21:56<arlen>any company that has customers in multiple time zones should use utc. hated it when Linode wouldn't
21:56<compuguy>JeremyE77 Thanks for the USNO link though.
21:56<DrJ>JeremyE77, I always can figure out military time by subtracting 2 from the last digit... works up to 19 (7pm)... I always have to really think about it after that
21:57<JeremyE77>DrJ: Do payroll for a while. You will get better :)
21:57<DrJ>it's just something I don't use but once in a great while... so yes... that subtracting 12 takes some thinking
21:58<linbot>when people can't even do basic math...
21:58<JeremyE77>It does make you paus when someone says thirteen thirty as a time. (in non military USA).
21:59<arlen>if your phone doesn't allow you to track utc, then use reykjavik iceland. they're utc 0 and don't observe dst
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22:01<TheAdmiral>wee. must be hard to replace that switch.
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22:01<DrJ>hopefully they at least give an update soon
22:01<JeremyE77>Seems to have lost the switch part and is just an "off"
22:01<DrJ>should give at least one an hour or so when a facility is down completely
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22:02<TheAdmiral>the status page is a bit bewildering.
22:02<arlen>hour 1 still down, working to fix hour 2 still down, working to fix
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22:03<DrJ>status page also says partial outage still for atlanta... I really believe it's a full outage
22:03<arthurfurlan>I believe so
22:03<DrJ>either that... or I picked 4 very unlucky hosts
22:04<TheAdmiral>well, the 1.31 update says basically all is okay due to redundancy. then 2:02 then realize there's some other problem. clearly redundancy didn't help.
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22:05<TheAdmiral>^is^will be
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22:06<TheAdmiral>ah. data.
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22:07<DrJ>not up for me
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22:07<DrJ>eh, now it is
22:07<arthurfurlan>some of the are up for me now
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22:07<arthurfurlan>Atlanta is definitely the worst datacenter from Linode
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22:08<TheAdmiral>they fixed it. i'm happy. i'm my own customer, so there's that.
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22:08<JeremyE77>This my last Atlanta one left. :"-/
22:08<dwfreed>people clearly don't remember the fmt1 power outage
22:08<dwfreed>pepperidge farm remembers
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22:08<arlen>I remember
22:09<dzho>I had no linodes in fmt but I vaguely recall that
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22:10<compuguy>And were back in ATL
22:10<dwfreed>people said fremont was the worst datacenter back then, and then it never had another issue since :P
22:10<compuguy>at least for hosts on atlanta644
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22:10<hyperial>6 of mine in ATL are down. All on different hosts.
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22:11<FluffyKitteh>random observation: The order of the DCs in the drop-down when you add a linode in the manager changed
22:11<FluffyKitteh>it's not alphabetical (and I don't think it was before either)
22:12<hyperial>One of my ATL's just came back up
22:13<dwfreed>it should be Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, London, (skip tokyo due to no availability), Singapore, Frankfurt, Tokyo 2
22:14<FluffyKitteh>I get Fremont, Dallas, Atlanta, Newark, London, Frankfurt, Singapore, Tokyo
22:14<FluffyKitteh>Tokyo 2*
22:14<hyperial>A few more are back. Think it's resolving itself.
22:15<hyperial>All mine are back in ATL
22:16<dwfreed>FluffyKitteh: weird
22:18<hyperial>Thanks Linode staff! I'm good here.
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22:24<compuguy>linbot: mtrdallas
22:24<linbot>compuguy: [mtr-dallas] 10.|-- 2600:3c02:4444:4::2 0.0% 3 22.6 22.7 22.6 22.8 0.0 -- 11.|-- 2600:3c02::4b 0.0% 3 28.3 24.3 22.2 28.3 3.5 -- see for full mtr
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22:39<Kniaz>how do I search for an installed package name in Debian?
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22:43<Kniaz>last week when I ran apt-get upgrade, during the upgrade i got a message about CA certificates. How can I find out which application showed those messages during upgrade?
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22:47<arlen>gatman: if you're still experiencing issues in Atlanta probably best to open a ticket
22:47<dwfreed>Kniaz: look in /var/log; iirc, there's a dpkg.log in there with those messages
22:53<gatman>#arlen - Thanks
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23:38<Zimsky>"Processing triggers for man-db"
23:38<Zimsky>so triggered
23:38<Zimsky>clear evidence the patriarchy controls debian's package manager
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23:48<mukesh>is it good idea to use linode for production site
23:48<Cromulent>yep lots of people do
23:49<Ikaros>Or you could do a staging-production type setup with more than one Linode.
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23:50<Ikaros>Cromulent I kinda get the feeling he may not quite know what he wants to even do, or even how he's going to do it.
23:50<Cromulent>it was a slightly strange question
23:51<Ikaros>Also unrelated: I am officially declaring my immense hatred for Apple products now.
23:51<Ikaros>My iPhone decided it wanted to be a piece of crap
23:51<Cromulent>ah OK - I moved away from all my Apple stuff in 2011
23:52<arlen>I just moved to apple stuff
23:52<Ikaros>Coming home from work this afternoon, listening to music on it, it barely scrapes up against a brick wall - and by that I mean it barely even contacts it, doesn't SLAM into it or anything - and the damn thing conks out.
23:52<Cromulent>I just signed up to Office 365 a few days ago and tried having two people edit a document at once - it was pretty cool that it worked
23:53<Cromulent>Ikaros: I've had my Nexus 4 for years - still working like a champ
23:53<Ikaros>After that didn't want to respond to *anything*, not even the power cord being plugged in, for about 5-10 min...then after that it came up with the power cord but was in a boot screen loop until I unplugged it and plugged it back in which point it showed the dead battery icon for a few seconds, then booted up right after at 50% battery - it had been at 96%.
23:55<Ikaros>I let it sit after that for about 20 min on the charger, came back and it suddenly read 100% again, so I unplug it. No sooner I do that it shuts off again. So I plug it back in - dead battery icon appears for a few seconds, followed by the boot screen and it comes back up at 100% again.
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23:57<Ikaros>Came back to it after leaving it like that for another 20-30 min, and I suddenly find it showing No Service in an area that always has service. Couldn't get it to reconnect to the cellular network via normal methods (such as turning airplane mode on, then off), so I restarted it and it came back up fine then. I said fuck it, and wiped the entire thing to factory and set it up as new.
23:57<Ikaros>Just going to go from there until I can pay a visit to my carrier tomorrow.
23:58<Ikaros>As tbh it is overdue for an upgrade, I've had my current iPhone over 2 years now.
23:58<Cromulent>Ikaros: get a £15 dumb phone - they are built like bricks and the battery lasts a whole week
23:59<Ikaros>I can't really do that as I use my current one for 2FA (via Authenticator and SMS both).
23:59<arlen>I miss my old nokia tank
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