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00:58<Eugene>https://itvendskabe5uhy7.onion.to/
00:58<Eugene>Guess who's bored
00:59<dcraig>you're a bored
00:59<dcraig>bees??
00:59<Eugene>I'm not your hive, honey.
01:00<dcraig>gimmie dat golden nectar
01:00<Eugene>I was told not to post photos anymore
01:00<dcraig>I got a grape soda and then an empty can of soda
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01:12<dcraig>!ven
01:12<dcraig>:(
01:12<dcraig>!vend
01:12*linbot smacks you
01:12<dcraig>:D
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04:16<mig81>hi everyone
04:16<mig81>I'm interested in your prices. Can anyone here help me a bit with the prices for managed VPS's?
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04:22<arlen>mig81: managed is $100 per month per linode
04:23<arlen>on top of the price for the linode itself
04:26<mig81>I get it
04:26<mig81>is backup included in managed also or is it considered as an additional service?
04:27<arlen>it's included
04:27<mig81>excellent
04:27<mig81>thank you guys!
04:27<arlen>:)
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04:31<LeoLeo>Hi - as I can see there is new plan in Linode pricing - Linode 1GB - is it possible to downgrade from Linode 2GB to Linode 1GB?
04:32<Peng>LeoLeo: Yes.
04:33<LeoLeo>ok thank you
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04:33<Peng>LeoLeo: There are some details, check https://blog.linode.com/2017/02/14/high-memory-instances-and-5-linodes/
04:33<Peng>crap
04:33<Peng>Hope Leo ain't on Xen :/
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04:44<AmericaN>Hello
04:44<arlen>hi
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04:44<AmericaN>are it's the support channel or what's it?
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04:44<arlen>community support
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05:13<fahim>Does Linode have any datacenter in asia?
05:16<arlen>yes two
05:16<arlen>Singapore and Tokyo
05:17<arlen>!speedtest
05:17<linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
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05:35<gauravparmar>we are facing phpmyadmin login issue
05:35<gauravparmar>After trying to login with correct credentials also, it is showing the same login page again
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05:36<gauravparmar>I checked some threads, it seems like some php session issue
05:36<gauravparmar>Could you please help us fixing it.
05:36<gauravparmar>k?
05:36<gauravparmar>?
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05:37<Zimsky>k
05:37<shirro>what does linode do in sg that I have much better routing to them than other big vps company?
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05:38<gauravparmar>Can anybody help me with issue?
05:38<Zimsky>shirro: their jobs
05:38<gauravparmar>After trying to login with correct credentials also in phpMyAdmin, it is showing the same login page again
05:38<Zimsky>check your log files
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05:39<shirro>I can't get an ipv6 route to my DO server there and routing is generally shit. I want to blame my dodgy ISP but work linodes are all good even with the usual evening Netflix congestion. I think I might just churn back
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06:10<Zimsky>arlen: Tokyo isn't in Asia
06:10<shirro>can anyone thing of a benefit to recovering my old linode acct with no active linodes? my 2fa details were on a phone that got trashed. i can't think of any downside to signing up for a new one.
06:11<Peng>New one sounds fine, i guess.
06:11<ponas>Zimsky: wrong
06:11<Zimsky>ponas: you're wrong
06:12<ponas>Zimsky: citation needed
06:12<Zimsky>citation not required
06:12<arlen>Zimsky: east Asia is still part of Asia.
06:12<Zimsky>no it's not
06:12<Zimsky>Japan isn't east asia
06:12<Zimsky>it's its own thing
06:13<arlen>👍🏻
06:13<shirro>japan is asia in the same way the uk is europe. it depends who you ask
06:14<Zimsky>um no
06:14<Zimsky>the UK is part of GB
06:15<shirro>british isles are definately part of europe culturally and geographically. same as japan. they just think they are superior
06:15<ponas>"Great"
06:15<ponas>:D
06:17<Zimsky>are you saying japan is part of europe?
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06:17<leoo>hello
06:17<ponas>welcome leoo!
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06:17<Zimsky>Welcome to Starbucks
06:17<leoo>hey linode please please I need blockstorage with your great quality
06:18<shirro>i guess i can enter a promo code being a new acct. its not cheating if its been a couple of year is it? anyone know a good one?
06:18<leoo>is there any plans for blockstorage for my linodes ??
06:18<leoo>please please
06:18<leoo>hello ponas
06:18<Zimsky>pls
06:20<ponas>leoo: not yet
06:20<arlen>shirro: DOCS10
06:21<ponas>leoo: they have said that "Stay tuned; in the coming months we’ll be releasing into beta our new Linode Manager, RESTful API, and block storage service."
06:21<leoo>great !!
06:22<leoo>thanks ponas
06:22<ponas>np
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06:41<ganesh>I mistakly drop my mysql database, is there any way to recover my database?
06:41<shirro>ganesh: check your backups
06:42<ganesh>I have no idea how to check the backup?
06:42<ganesh>I did research but not found proper way
06:42<ponas>if you don't have a backup it's probably gone
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06:44<alex_>hello, i have a question about pricing
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06:47<ganesh>Is there any copy of mysql database to linode server?
06:47<arlen>only if you made a copy
06:47<arlen>alex_: feel free to ask it
06:49<ponas>ganesh: I guess you technically could make a copy of the block device and try to recover the data files written by mysql, but it's kind of hard, time consuming and has little chance of success since they might be overwritten by other data already
06:52<shirro>i generally have multiple backup strategies. something like the debian automysqlbackup to dump out sql locally which is perfect for dropped tables. then my own scripts getting essential data off linode to a third party. and the linode backups which are more a disaster recovery option imo
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06:55<alex_>@arlen Sorry was just looking at the FAQs. I'm comparing Vultr and Linode and both have the same hourly pricing.
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06:55<alex_>Assuming I start off with $100 total. And take the $20/month package. But use only $10 in the month. Will I still have $90 the next month or is it $80?
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06:56<shirro>i did an ext undelete at about 2am last night when I dozed off and woke up disorientated and started deleting random files on my laptop before getting fully awake. i wouldn't want to depend on it.
06:56<ponas>wow shirro
06:57<ponas>I hope I never wake up in a daze and start deleting production databases at work :)
06:57<arlen>alex_: billing is hourly up to the monthly limi, if you have the $20 plan for an entire month you'd have $80 left
06:57<Cromulent>alex_: if you only use it for $10 worth of time and then delete it you'll only be charged $10 but you need to delete it or you'll still be charged
06:58<arlen>limit*
06:58<alex_>Got it! Thanks @Arlen
06:58<arlen>np
06:58<Cromulent>alex_: I've used Vultr and Linode and much prefer Linode - Linodes backups have saved me on a couple of occassions
06:59<Cromulent>but you pay extra for the backups
06:59<alex_>Ahh, that was going to be my next question @Cromulent
06:59<arlen>!backups
06:59<linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use Linode Backups. Prices start at $ 2.50/month depending on your plan. https://www.linode.com/backups
06:59<shirro>it was just playing with some code and it was going to be a throwaway so I hadn't even put it in git but it got out of control and when I woke up fully I had the rm command in my history. at least now I know how to get into emergency boot with a ro filesystem on systemd
07:01<alex_>I'm using this to deploy 2 blogs with around 50K visitors each. How significant is having an extra CPU? (comparing 1 and 2)
07:01<arlen>depends on your setup
07:01<arlen>imo just start with the cheapest then upgrade if needed
07:02<shirro>i thought i would telinit 1 and mount -o remount,ro like the old days but the damn root device was blocked. had to go editing my efi boot and research on my phone about emergency boot
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07:02<arlen>it's simple to resize to a bigger plan
07:02<arlen>!resize
07:02<linbot>Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images.
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07:02<alex_>okay that makes sense
07:03<alex_>thanks guys! will be back soon :)
07:03<arlen>:)
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08:05<arlen>https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html
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09:19<Nivex>I've been getting a lot of dovecot: imap: Warning: Time jumped forwards N seconds lately on my Linode
09:26<grawity>hmm
09:26<grawity>I wonder if that's the same problem
09:27<grawity>as I've been having with ircd ever since migration to london1190
09:27<Nivex>I just rebooted to take advantage of the new network speeds, but I don't think there's a new kernel.
09:30<dubidub>Linode backups start at $2/mo, not $2.50.
09:30<dubidub>!backups
09:30<linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use Linode Backups. Prices start at $ 2.50/month depending on your plan. https://www.linode.com/backups
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10:05<mhearn>hi there
10:05<mhearn>does linode offer dedicated hardware plans? i.e. no co-tenants?
10:06<@nbrewer>mhearn: nope
10:06<mhearn>that's a shame. i am a linode customer and have a need for such hardware, was hoping it'd be possible. do you know of other similar companies that do?
10:07<jiggawattz>mhearn: there's billions of companies that do dedis
10:07<jiggawattz>what price range do you have?
10:07<mhearn>right - let's say "recommend" rather than "know of"
10:07<jiggawattz>what price range?
10:07<mhearn>i realise there are plenty out there that do it, or at least, i think there are ... but then i thought i remembered linode having such plans and it doesn't. so either it did once, or my memory is playing tricks on me
10:07<jiggawattz>hetzner server auction is good
10:08<jiggawattz>for inexpensive dedis in Germany
10:08<mhearn>thanks
10:08<jiggawattz>online.net and kimsufi can be good
10:08<mhearn>and yeah - i guess $100-$200/month ... i don't need powerful hardware, just dedicated.
10:09<jiggawattz>ah for that budget
10:09<jiggawattz>go with OVH
10:09<cbirk>kimsufi
10:10<mhearn>hetzner has what they call "dedicated root server" but it seems suspiciously cheap: is that actually dedicated hardware, no co-tenancy guaranteed? (these machines will do cryptography and the concern is side channel attacks)
10:11<gparent>think you'd have to ask hetzner to be sure
10:14<mhearn>ok. thanks.
10:18<jiggawattz>mhearn: yeah those are dedis
10:18<jiggawattz>not very powerful but dedicated
10:19<jiggawattz>$100 is actually a high budget for a single dedi... you can get a really powerful one for that
10:20<ponas>scaleway also has pretty cheap dedicated servers: (scroll to baremetal) https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/
10:23<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • ipv6 firewall required? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14589&p=72858#p72858>
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10:50<MajObviousman>Eugene: eeeeyyyyyyyyy [for joke yesterday @2311
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11:28<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:28<cruxeternus>And all is right with the world.
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13:44<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Mysql replication error <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14586&p=72861#p72861>
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13:54<Ranjeet>Hi Guys I need help in Kernel Optimization
13:55<Ranjeet>Also Network tunning for Large traffic
13:55<Ranjeet>For optimum use of server
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14:13<synfinatic>Ranjeet you'll have to ask a question
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15:00<waltman>Do I need to worry about CVE-2017-6074 on my linode? Should I reboot to pick up a patched kernel?
15:15<grawity_>haha I think my linode is melting down
15:15<grawity_>even trying to attach to lish gives screen's "Dead ???" message
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15:25<grawity_>oooh, CPU stalls
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15:33<grawity_>sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#17 abort
15:33<grawity_>prooobably not a good sign \o/
15:33<MajObviousman>rub some dirt on it, you'll be fine
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15:34<Peng>D:
15:34<Peng>Sounds like a sign you need to file a support ticket :P
15:35<grawity_>filed one an hour ago
15:38<dwfreed>waltman: zgrep CONFIG_IP_DCCP /proc/config.gz
15:38<Peng>Oh, nice.
15:39<dwfreed>also, new kernel.org kernels today
15:45<Eugene>No colonels here
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15:56<rsdehart>how about colonials?
16:02<waltman>dwfreed: Thanks!
16:14<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Server support <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14584&p=72863#p72863>
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16:19<Nelson_Carrillo>hi
16:19<MajObviousman>no
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18:22<p1zza>yo
18:23<p1zza>i got a question
18:23<linbot>p1zza: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
18:24<dzho>wat? is that an automatic trigger now?
18:25<millisa>nope
18:25<dzho>i can haz a question
18:25<p1zza>When installing LAMP can i skip configuring vhost or is that neccessary. im not going to be hosting anyone
18:25<dwfreed>dzho: no, you can PM the bot to make it speak in channel
18:25<dzho>someone did a /msg to the bot on a they sly
18:25<dzho>s/they/the/
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18:26<dwfreed>p1zza: vhosts are used for everything, you may just only have 1 if all you need is one
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18:26<dzho>p1zza: yeah, sounds sort of optional, but you might want to set it up that way anyway for better congruence with the various howtos
18:26<millisa>p1zza technically you could probably skip it . .but you don't want to. you may want to have a vhost in the future that does something else, or you may want to use a vhost to force someone to use www.blah.com or vice versa . or force if someone uses the IP to end up on the name
18:26<dzho>heh
18:26<dzho>TRINITARIAN AGREEMENT
18:28<p1zza>ok gothcha, thanks
18:28<dzho>p1zza: thin crust, sausage and onion
18:28<dzho>;-)
18:28<dzho>just sayin'
18:29<millisa>got the papajohns pan crust yesterday. it's not awful
18:29<dzho>I mean, come on. it's pizza
18:30<p1zza>i'll get right on it
18:30<dzho>heh
18:31<synfinatic>to be fair, "it's pizza" is a low bar
18:31<dzho>sort of the "it's turing complete" of foodstuffs
18:31<millisa>today though . . . tacobell for the chicken shell taco things
18:32<p1zza>so the guide im following https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
18:32<p1zza>under vhost config can i just put my linode IP, i dont think a .com or .net
18:33<p1zza>i dont have*
18:33<millisa>you mean this line? VirtualHost *:80? or one of the others?
18:34<p1zza>'For all steps below, replace example.com with your domain name'
18:34<millisa>(if someone puts in http://yourIPhere - they are just going to get the first vhost defined)
18:36<p1zza>hmm ok
18:36<millisa>if someone asks for an http://somedomainname.tld that isn't defined in your vhosts on a servername or serveralias, they are also going to just end up on the first vhost your config has defined
18:36<millisa>so, put somename in for ServerName - and when you get the real name you want to use, fix it.
18:36<p1zza>clever! thanks
18:36<kyhwana>https://blog.cloudflare.com/incident-report-on-memory-leak-caused-by-cloudflare-parser-bug/
18:36<kyhwana>so about dat cloudflare MITM
18:36<millisa>you can comment the ServerAlias line for now (you can have multiple serveralias lines)
18:36<kyhwana>(also lol SHAttered)
18:38<nate>kyhwana: Not sure that would classify entirely as a MitM would it? It seemed very heartbleed ish
18:38<kyhwana>nate: well, cloudflare are MITMing your traffic
18:38<millisa>has the recent kernel vulnerability gotten a cutesy name yet?
18:39<trippeh>https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1139 :)
18:39<trippeh>cloudbleed!
18:39<millisa>bloodrain?
18:40<trippeh>i missed the party by a few minutes didnt I
18:55<millisa>well, finally got finished with the blog post and the thread . . . I can't help but not like Tavis...
19:04<HoopyCat>i still hope he gets his t-shirt <3
19:04<millisa>he better
19:04<millisa>or else he'll publish all sortsa stuff.
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19:05<Peng>T-shirt made of gold thread
19:12<dwfreed>millisa: why do you not like Tavis?
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19:13<millisa>I don't think I can state why clearly, but I think it's the demanding way he goes about releasing info. The bit about halfway down the thread where he's getting huffy at not being included on the draft of some other companies release on the exploit he found.
19:13<millisa>He's done similar in the past and something about it just rubs me a bit wrong I guess.
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19:14<millisa>The whole threatening to release the info before his 7 day policy window . . that bugs me a little too, I think
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19:16<millisa>He's a crusader; generally for the good guys, but he's still a crusader...
19:17<HoopyCat>tbh it'd suck ass to disclose this 24 hours later than it did
19:23<dzho>tron was a crusader
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19:24<dzho>he fights for the users
19:24<dzho>sorry about the tense confusion
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19:40<marcy>hello, i just wanted to double check on the billing, if anyone can help
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19:41<millisa>ask away
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19:41<marcy>so the hourly billing, up to a monthly cap...
19:41<millisa>yep
19:41<marcy>so for th $5 plan - the price would never be more than $5?
19:42<marcy>is that what the cap means?
19:42<relidy>Barring any overages (bandwidth, etc), yes.
19:42<millisa>assuming you didn't get the backup service, didn't have a bandwidth overage, pretty much
19:42<marcy>oh, what are bandwidth overages?
19:42<millisa>assuming you have an always-on system, you hit the cap about 26-27 days in I think?
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19:42<marcy>ok
19:43<relidy>marcy: That's the "1 TB" (or whatever value) listed as "Transfer" on the pricing page.
19:43<relidy>If you don't use more than that in the month, no extra charge.
19:43<marcy>oh ok, and if i only have a couple hundred users a month, that should be fine?
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19:43<millisa>it's a challenge to hit it for most folks. also that value is pooled amongst all your linodes, so if you have one really busy one and the rest are low traffic, you still might not have an overage just due to 1 of the linodes being higher
19:43<relidy>Unless they're all downloading a 100GB video or something, you'll almost certainly be fine.
19:44<marcy>i see
19:44<marcy>ok, great!
19:44<relidy>!point millisa
19:44<linbot>relidy: Point given to millisa. (4)
19:44<millisa>!point relidy
19:44<linbot>millisa: Point given to relidy. (2)
19:44<marcy>this is by far the best rate i've seen
19:44<marcy>thanks a lot
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19:44<relidy>I think it's safe to say most of us in here are fans.
19:44<marcy>:)
19:45<millisa>demanding, advantage taking, fans
19:45<relidy>That too!
19:45<marcy>great, thanks for your helping - going to go sign up now!
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19:58<FluffyKitteh>wow cloudflare snafu
19:58<FluffyKitteh>CancerFlare
19:58*HoopyCat eyes FluffyKitteh without any suspicion
19:58<FluffyKitteh>:p
19:59<Nivex>it's the itteh bitteh kitteh commiteh
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20:00<Eugene>https://goo.gl/photos/Q8mKyaM9SPYZffF39
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20:01<FluffyKitteh>hehehehe
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20:33<dwfreed>linbot: errno 60
20:33<linbot>dwfreed: ENOSTR (#60): Device not a stream
20:33<dwfreed>that's an odd one
20:34<Peng>Life is like a stream
20:35<Nivex>row, row, row SELECT...
20:35<Peng>We are all rowing a boat of fate / The waves keep on comin' and we can't escape 🎶
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20:47<Eugene>The roof. The roof. The roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn. Burn, mother fucker, burn.
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20:56<jonf>so how much of linode's infrastructure runs through cloudfare?
20:56<dwfreed>who knows
20:56<dwfreed>nothing Linode runs itself does
20:56<dwfreed>except for DNS, and that's not affected
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20:56<jonf>what about their mangement interface?
20:56<nate>I would doubt it
20:56<dwfreed>it doesn't use cloudflare
20:57<@mcintosh>^^
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20:57<dwfreed>whois $(dig +short manager.linode.com | head -n 1)
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21:04<jonf>looks like digital oceans management interface is through cloudfare
21:05<Peng>Oh dear
21:06<arlen>yup
21:08<jonf>not sure about namecheap - the login page is on cloudfare
21:08<jonf>but the webui itself does not appear to be served through there
21:09<jonf>ugh. this is nasty
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21:32<xavax>vultr, too.
21:32<xavax>Ouch.
21:32<Ikaros>Heh.
21:32<Ikaros>Gets you thinking doesn' it
21:32<xavax>Too much cloudflaring.
21:32<Ikaros>doesn't*
21:32<xavax>Yep.
21:33<Ikaros>That was kinda stupid. Any sane programmer would not permit any sort of buffer to overrun. Period.
21:33<Ikaros>'cause that shit happens.
21:33<xavax>Indeed.
21:33<Ikaros>Trust = destroyed, I would think...
21:34<Ikaros>Not that it was presented in the manner it was, but the fact it existed for god knows how long, perhaps since inception
21:34<xavax>cloudception? XD
21:36<Peng>Ikaros: Buffer overruns can happen to pretty much everyone.
21:36<Peng>Ikaros: No one writes a web server according to NASA security guidlines.
21:36<xavax>It happens to me, but... in the kitchen.
21:37<Ikaros>Peng: Indeed, but when you work with sensitive information you should ideally check for this beforehand. If not leaking sensitive information, then how about prevention of a denial of service by way of crashing things via a malformed request?
21:38<Cromulent>was wondering why you were talking about cloudflare and read their blog - ouch was the first word I thought of
21:38<Ikaros>Yup Cromulent
21:38<Peng>Cromulent: Aye, that's one word for i t
21:38<Ikaros>Big ouch.
21:39<Ikaros>Just because of the vast number of clients and big name sites they serve
21:39<jonf>yay single point of failure for the internet
21:40<Ikaros>You have failed at internet, Cloudflare
21:40<Cromulent>I wonder why more security critical projects don't use something like Ada? I mean from what I have read on it it has some pretty strict buffer overflow protections
21:41<Cromulent>I wonder if anyone has calculated how much money has been lost to buffer overlfows in the history of computing?
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21:42<Peng>Cloudflare largely uses Go nowadays.
21:43<Peng>(Which is why they had the leap second issue!)
21:43<Peng>But this related to their custom Nginx modules -- one of them older -- so they were stuck with C or C++ or w/e
21:43<Cromulent>I've never used Go in my life - maybe one of these days I'll look at it but it doesn't support the kind of programming I'm doing at the moment which is a shame so I can't really use it
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22:26<Duy_Vo>can i pay hourly instead of monthly?
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22:27<millisa>that's the default method at this point.
22:27<millisa>if you have an old account, you can switch to hourly
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22:28<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/upgrade-to-hourly-billing
22:31<Duy_Vo>i just want to confirm, that means i just pay the amount of money for how many hours i turn on my server, right?
22:32<millisa>up to the cap
22:32<millisa>and its how long you have your server provisioned. it doesn't matter if it is on or off. you are billed for it.
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22:55<Cromulent>!distros
22:55<linbot>https://www.linode.com/distributions
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23:01<Cromulent>hmm I've never used slackware
23:01<Cromulent>or gentoo
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23:26<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Question about Self-Signed Certificates <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14582&p=72864#p72864>
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23:47<Cromulent>this is a completely off-topic question but someone here might be able to help - does anyone know of a good electronics forum that is friendly to complete newbies?
23:48<Cromulent>questions like equipment to buy, books to read, blogs to read, general answering of questions etc - there are lots of forums for people who know what they are doing but I want one for people who are looking to help newbies with simple questions
23:51<dwfreed>Cromulent: you're asking for a bikeshed :P
23:51<Cromulent>am I? Never heard beginners forums called that before
23:52<Cromulent>I've got a good book that will run me through the basics I think
23:52<dwfreed>nono, what you're looking for is bound to invoke a bikeshed
23:53<dwfreed>("bikeshed" just being short for "what color do we paint the bikeshed?")
23:53<Cromulent>so I won't need help with the absolute basics but trying to decide on things like the best multimeter is confusing
23:53<Cromulent>oh OK
23:53<millisa>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
23:53<dwfreed>best there is quite subjective, which is what I mean :)
23:53<Cromulent>fair enough :)
23:54<Cromulent>to be fair though everyone has to start somewhere - you aren't born with an innate grasp of electronics :)
23:55<Cromulent>I was never really taught anything about electronics when I did my comp sci courses
23:56<JeremyE77>There is prolly a multimeter Reddit :)
23:57<Cromulent>for some reason I always forget about reddit - I'll see if there is an electronics one - thanks for reminding me :)
23:57<dwfreed>there's also a channel on freenode
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23:58<dwfreed>##electronics
23:58<Cromulent>ah good call that and ##embedded look like what I am after
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