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02:00<senthil>hi
02:00<senthil>i have a some clarification, anybody is there to help me.
02:00<senthil>need to procure and setup a new server
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02:05<Woet>no actual question and quits 90 seconds later
02:05<Woet>great
02:06*dcraig tickles woet around a bit with a large sucker
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02:58<Cromulent>scary that 1password haven't posted about the fact that their HTTPS requests were exposed via the cloudflare bug
02:59<Cromulent>hmm https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/356869/
02:59<nate>Cromulent: Well cloudflare is potentially playing things down by stating things like identifiable passwords were highly highly slim to be seen
03:00<Peng>https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/02/23/three-layers-of-encryption-keeps-you-safe-when-ssltls-fails/
03:00<Cromulent>yeah just reading that now
03:00<Peng>1password doesn't send passwords unencrypted through Cloudflare.
03:00<Peng>If their crypto isn't garbage they may be pretty ok
03:04<Cromulent>Looks like I'm going to need to go through every website I have an account with and check if they use cloudflare and if they do I'll need to change my passwords - what a chore
03:06<Peng>All websites use Cloudflare. Except Linode.
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03:18<Woet>Cromulent: did you just say that without checking?
03:18<Woet>lmao
03:21<Ikaros>Overreaction imo
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03:23<Cromulent>Woet: well there was mention of a "popular" password managers data being exposed in the initial bug report
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03:24<Woet>Cromulent: but you said "scary that 1password haven't posted" without checking whether they have posted..
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03:40<nate>Peng: we don't, and I usually push most of my clients away from it due to added overhead
03:40<nate>With all the WP sites we run with this company I don't even want to think of the overreaction our CEO would have about cloudflare if we used it
03:40<nate>lol
03:41<Peng>https://blog.cloudflare.com/protecting-everyone-from-wordpress-content-injection/ :P
03:42<Woet>nate: ah yea, the added overhead of a global CDN
03:42<Woet>your clients sure are lucky to have you
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03:44<nate>Woet: If you're using nothing but the DDoS protection, you generally lose out on performance from that 'global cdn' in tests I've (and others) have done in the past. Perhaps that's changed in recent time, but it was notable in the past
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03:44<nate>And since most people jump to their DDoS protection out of "Oh noes possible attack" fears, it just compounds it
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03:46<nate>Of course those were Free and Pro based accounts I had tested on previously, so perhaps they have a purposeful impact over Business/Enterprise accounts
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03:52<arlen>what type of accounts did the others use?
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03:54<hawk>nate: My guess of the impact would have been: low load: slightly worse, high load: much better
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03:55<Peng>Visitor from the opposite side of the world hitting a CDN node that already has all the static files cached? Pretty nice.
03:55<Peng>Someone nearby hitting an empty CDN cache? Worse.
03:55<Peng>Cloudflare's DNS service is fairly nice, though.
03:55<nate>hawk: I'm talking the network latency between, ie; notable upwards to a second or two delays, which of course for a lot of people driving for google ranks find bad :P
03:56<nate>Arlen: Like I said the ones I dealt with were free/pro accounts
03:56<nate>I've not worked with anyone using a business or enterprise one yet
03:56<nate>That said as far as general CDN's go, they usually opt using stuff like S3, KeyCDN, etc for actual content anyways
03:57<arlen>did the others that tested publish the results anywhere? curious to check
03:58<Peng>Why use one of those CDNs over Cloudflare?
03:58<nate>arlen: Yeah they should be online, I'll see if I can find the links from my history (like I said this was a while back, things could be different anyways)
03:58<arlen>thanks
03:59<arlen>not trying to be a jerk or anything, quiet night so looking for something to do
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04:01<nate>Peng: Well in most cases because a lot of the content is pretty dynamic, which was kind of a double edged sword, since cloudflare doesn't cache that by default yet that's most of the actual driven 'load' as well (but caching it with cloudflare is a tricky thing as well if the interface is dynamic to the user).
04:01<Peng>Ah. :X
04:01<nate>so we'd usually just do backend caching and 3rd party static CDN's, which at the time were more cost-effective it seemed over cloudflare's model at the time.
04:02<nate>arlen: nah I understand, my browser history goes back forever so I'm sure they're somewhere, it'll just be a word hunt lol
04:02<arlen>:)
04:02<Peng>Sounds legit
04:02<arlen>https://github.com/pirate/sites-using-cloudflare/blob/master/README.md
04:02<nate>Peng: What? I don't like wiping my browser history :P
04:02<nate>Same reason I have like 400+ tabs open in FF
04:02<nate>lol
04:02<Peng>I meant that sincerely, for once
04:02<nate>Sorry I correct myself, I closed some, I'm down to 363 now >.>
04:02<arlen>I only wipe history when I wipe my laptop drive
04:03<nate>see my problem is I never know when I might need to resurface old pages (like now), so :P
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04:35<John_>How many ips do you have in Sing and Japan?
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04:37<Peng>!ips
04:37<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
04:38<John_>Thanks
04:39<John_>How many ips in Sing and Japan?
04:41<Peng>What do you mean?
04:42<John_>How many vps can i creat in Sing and Japan with separate ip
04:42<John_>For each location:Sing and Japan
04:42<ponas>unlimited
04:43<ponas>ish
04:43*Ikaros sighs
04:43<Ikaros>1 IPv4 is all you'll get, and as many IPv6 as you need.
04:44<ponas>Ikaros: but he can create several linodes to get several ipv4s!
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04:44<Woet>John_: why do you need more than one IP?
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04:46<Ikaros>ponas: Perhaps but you pay for each Linode...most people would look to obtain it as an added service to an existing one, which of course needs justification.
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04:46<John_>I want to build many websites so i need more ip :D
04:47<ponas>one IP can host thousands of websites
04:47<John_>You mean i can creat 100 vps in singapore with separate ip v4
04:47<ponas>yes
04:47<John_>I need 1 website 1 ip
04:47<Woet>John_: why?
04:47<ponas>but that sounds like a waste of money
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04:48<Ikaros>Because it is a waste of money.
04:48<Ikaros>And I would personally slap you silly if you did that.
04:48<Peng>D:
04:48<ponas>:O
04:49<John_>Can i buy 1 vps and 10 additional Ip and build 10 websites
04:49<Ikaros>Nope. You'll have to host all 10 from the same IPv4...but you're welcome to use as many IPv6 addresses as you want.
04:50<Peng>If you have sufficient justifification for it, yes.
04:50<Peng>I don't think you have sufficient justification, though.
04:51*arlen wonders if they still give them out for ssl
04:52<John_>can we point the domain with ipv6
04:54<arlen>yes
04:55<Ikaros>Heh, arlen, in terms of websites at least, nah. XP was the last Windows OS not capable of SNI, and it's long been out of any type of support. Nobody should be using it anymore anyway so there's no need or justification to support it.
04:56<arlen>I agree
04:56<Ikaros>Those that complain about having to upgrade it...I say either cough up the cash or just throw Linux on there and have a blast.
04:57<arlen>two years ago they still were though
04:57<nate>Worth noting alternative browsers on XP give SNI even though so
04:59<Ikaros>Alone, the fact SNI exists is enough to make that particular justification go out the window.
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06:18<vasanth>email account in Linode 12GB
06:18<vasanth>We plan to move our website
06:19<vasanth>We are thinking about email accounts hosted in the previous server
06:19<vasanth>how can i figure out this
06:26<JamesTK>You might want to pay google to host emails for custom domain
06:26<JamesTK>It will save you a lot of hassle, and also mean emails still work if your web server is down
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06:35<Woet>what JamesTK said
06:35<JamesTK>ha
06:35<JamesTK>honestly google is cheaper than losing money because you can't be contacted when your site is down
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10:26<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
10:48<@mcintosh>!point Eugene
10:48<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to Eugene. (5)
10:49<linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Maintenance - Tokyo2 <https://status.linode.com/incidents/3nt03z8h99s5> || Scheduled Network Maintenance - Dallas, Fremont <https://status.linode.com/incidents/m5klvgr3w7ll>
10:54<csnxs>!lick mcintosh
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10:55<ponas>!point ponas
10:55<linbot>ponas: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
10:55<ponas>okay
10:55<@mcintosh>ponas: it doesn't like when you give yourself a point :p
10:56<ponas>:(
10:57<ponas>!point linbot
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10:59<linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Maintenance - Newark <https://status.linode.com/incidents/2hrq0z3rs5pq>
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12:19<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode and the Bitcoin Blockchain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14590&p=72865#p72865>
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13:31<jcanto>hello
13:31<jcanto>maybe this uqestion is already answered somewhere else
13:32<jcanto>where /dev/root is?
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13:33<@nbrewer>jcanto: /dev/root is your root filesystem
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13:34<@nbrewer>it's mounted on "/"
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13:36<jcanto>thank you, but i can't find it in the /dev directory
13:39<@nbrewer>it depends on the distro, but it's pretty common for it not to show up under /dev
13:40<@nbrewer>what are you trying to do?
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13:53<jcanto>sorry @nbrewer, lost internet connection
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13:54<jcanto>running a script to verify disk free space
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13:55<@nbrewer>is the script going to be run from the root filesystem, while it's booted?
13:56<@nbrewer>either way, /dev/root isn't the way you want to go with this, it doesn't exist until boot, it's something generated by initrd if i recall
14:01<jcanto>it is a nagios command
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14:02<jcanto>through nrpe
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14:02<Nivex>doesn't check_disk accept mountpoint as argument?
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14:08<jcanto>mmmm, good question
14:08<jcanto>wait
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14:11<jcanto>what a shame!!! it works
14:11<jcanto>:(
14:12<jcanto>sorry
14:13<Nivex>Don't feel bad. We all try to reinvent the wheel once in awhile.
14:13<jcanto>i'm hungry :P
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14:29<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode and the Bitcoin Blockchain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14590&p=72866#p72866>
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15:10<eyepulp>Anyone seen any info on whether Linode has anything sitting behind cloudflare? I opened a support ticket a little while ago but no response yet and I don't see any tweets or other comments.
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15:17<@mcintosh>eyepulp: the nameservers are behind cloudflare
15:17<@mcintosh>they aren't affected by the bug
15:18<eyepulp>mcintosh: roger that. thanks
15:18<@mcintosh>no problem!
15:19<jiggawattz>rock on linode
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15:24<eyepulp>maybe cloudflare built a leaky MITM layer for UDP port 53 traffic...
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18:10<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Better docker support <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13995&p=72867#p72867>
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18:24<GeorgeJetston>I want to forward a single email address for a domain hosted on Linode nameservers and a Linode VPS. I tried these instructions but did not receive an email - http://jesselau.com/2013/06/16/how-to-add-email-forwarding-in-linode-server/ ... how might I debug this?
18:28<millisa>is the linode answering mail for that domain?
18:29<millisa>(and the first step is usually to see what your mail logs say)
18:31<GeorgeJetston>millisa: that is what was the problem. The main.cf file was missing this directive - virtual_alias_domains = mydomain.com
18:31<millisa>and I supposed it's worth asking - do you actually mean 'forwarding'? or do you just want your linode to be able to send mail, generated on that linode, and have it look like it came from your domain?
18:35<GeorgeJetston>millisa: for now, I'm happy to just take incoming emails to a single address on the domain and forward it to my gmail. I am not concerned with sending from that domain.
18:37<millisa>sounds like you do want to run a mail server then. Most of the linode docs are linked off this: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/
18:37<millisa>there's usually more steps than the link you sent for setting it up
18:39<millisa>This guide might be more what you are looking for: http://www.binarytides.com/postfix-mail-forwarding-debian/
18:39<millisa>it's pretty much doing what you described - setting up a system to answer for a domain, but just with aliases to forward to the guys gmail account
18:41<millisa>you'll want to get your linode setup with a proper forward/reverse dns to have the best chance of sending mail successfully
18:41<JeremyE77>If you are anything like me. You might find the postfix version of this document more enlightening than Linode's. http://nolabnoparty.com/en/setup-mail-server-postfix-dovecot-roundcube-centos/
18:42<JeremyE77>Linode's seems to have you do all sorts of Mysql accounts setups and such with is kind of orverkill...for one account :)
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19:19<JeremyE77>Care to break a tie...room? I give people enough credit that if you tell them entering them twice for a chance to win a prize would be calling them stupid because everyone is entered twice. Someone else thinks it's a good idea.
19:20<JeremyE77>i.e it dosent double your chances?
19:23<millisa>are there multiple prizes?
19:24<JeremyE77>1 prize : 1 winner
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19:26<@caker>I love this stuff. My guess: "two chances to win!!" would outperform.
19:26<millisa>I think it depends on if winning is multithreaded
19:26<JeremyE77>so silly
19:27<JeremyE77>You are probably right though
19:28<millisa>also it'd depend on if losing is defined as just 'did not win' or if there are repercussions
19:29<JeremyE77>No reprocussions. Except now I have your datas!
19:29<JeremyE77>I slaughtered that word :)
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20:40<zifnab>!help to
20:40<linbot>zifnab: (to <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo $1: [$*]".
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20:51<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Flextronics New Electric was birthed in 1970, in Burlington, Ontario. The electric contracting company serviced the Toro <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14591&p=72868#p72868>
21:01<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Issue of SSH logins causing firewall rules to be created, blocking where I am logging in from <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14556&p=72819#p72819>
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21:56<Eugene>Its raining men, Hallelujah
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22:15<AJ_>hi
22:15<AJ_>anybdy thr
22:15<AJ_>looking for support on cloud for new company wbesite building
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22:15<AJ_>calling from india
22:16<arlen>!ask
22:16<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
22:16<AJ_>wats the support of linode in india
22:16<AJ_>mostly our customers from india only
22:16<arlen>same as everywhere else
22:16<arlen>!speedtest
22:16<linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
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22:29<SleePy>Interesting, doing a whois on liniode.com I get whois asking me to clarify if I wanted LINODE.COM.CASHTIPZ.COM or linode.com
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22:40<nate>SleePy: Well linode is a pretty huge VPS host, makes sense there would probably be phishing domains :P
22:43<SleePy>Well its more interesting that the phishing domain is registered in whois. Subdomains don't get registered in whois (i.e., a whois on manager.linode.com failes)
22:47<nate>SleePy: for what it's worth, some whois services will do a `dig` when provided a subdomain which may be why, someone may have used it previously to look up any IP's associated with it
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22:55<millisa>try a whois of google.com
22:55<millisa>there are some good ones in there
22:57<Peng>SleePy: It's a registered nameserver.
22:57<Peng>SleePy: e.g. whois ns1.linode.com
22:57<SleePy>Ok, then that may be why its in whois
22:58<Peng>You could go to your registrar and add glue for linode.com.sleepy.com or whatever and do the same thing.
22:59<Peng>If you turn into an evil whois troll, at least.
23:10<SleePy>Nah, I will setup peng.is.awesome.jk.sleepy.com as a nameserver
23:11<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Citi Card <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14592&p=72869#p72869>
23:12<Peng>\o/
23:13<FluffyKitteh>The requested topic does not exist.
23:13<FluffyKitteh>aww but I wanted to hear about the Citi Card
23:21<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Issue of SSH logins causing firewall rules to be created, blocking where I am logging in from <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14556&p=72819#p72819>
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23:24<ken>can i pay with alipay?
23:29<arlen>no
23:29<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
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23:41<Eugene>I like big Linodes and I cannot lie.
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