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---Logopened Mon Feb 27 00:00:02 2017
00:11<Peng>ns5.he.net is down over IPv4. >_<
00:11<arlen>uh oh
00:11<Peng>returns SERVFAIL
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00:20<oj>anyone here who sell web hosting service under linode?
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00:27<millisa>It's possible to (I manage linodes for my customers who in turn sell web services from those linodes to their customers)
00:30<oj>Hi millisa
00:31<millisa>Hi (also - that wasn't a sales pitch. Just saying it's possible to do it if that is why you are asking)
00:32<oj>Im actually planning to offer an affordable shared hosting under Linode, what kind of plan should i setup/buy?
00:33<millisa>that's a harder question to answer and we probably can't give you a solid answer. It depends on what those sites are like, if you are going to run any sort of management panel, what type of traffic you expect
00:33<oj>the pricing competition here is very high i saw one of the hosting company who only resell offers $48 per year
00:33<millisa>The nice thing with linode is you can start small and it's easy to size a server upwards if you find you need more power
00:34<oj>the setup im planning is that they can purchase hosting from me which i will get from linode, and then they can manage it on their own
00:34<millisa>well, for a dollar more a month, someone who'd buy that hosting could have their own linode
00:35<millisa>A low traffic or non-dynamic site could run on the cheapest linode pretty easily.
00:35<oj>yeah linode has $5 per month which is good, but i want them to be my customer who will have an annual fee to me for hosting service
00:35<oj>what is the bandwidth limit for the $5 plan?
00:36<millisa>It's on the pricing page for all of them https://www.linode.com/pricing 1000mbps out, 40gbps in
00:36<millisa>1tb transfer
00:36<oj>i mean if linode offers $5, can i add up a $1 per month?
00:36<millisa>those prices are the monthly caps. you pay by the hour
00:37<arlen>Linode doesn't offer a reseller control panel, but you could with your own site using the api
00:37<oj>yeah but i want to form a hosting business here but i will use linode
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00:38<millisa>so if you add one of the 1gb linodes today, you'd pay for about 48 hours at $0.0075/hr until March 1st. then it resets and you would pay that 0.0075/hr rate until it hits that $5 cap
00:38<arlen>so then list it on your site for $6
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00:39<oj>will there site down if they hit bandwidth limit?
00:39<oj>since i want to charge them in annual payment terms
00:40<millisa>if you hit the transfer limit, you are billed for overage. The transfer is pooled between all linodes on the account.
00:40<millisa>(so if you had 4 of the $5 linodes, you'd have 4TB of total transfer every month before you'd pay for an overage.
00:40<oj>can that be avoided?
00:40<arlen>nope
00:41<millisa>it shows you what % you've used on the main page of the management interface
00:41<millisa>I'm on my 7th or 8th year here. I've never used more than 5% in a month...
00:41<oj>i think if they reached the limit and i already charged them for the annual hosting fee, i will not profit from it
00:41<millisa>You could use a control panel that'd give them a quota.
00:41<arlen>depends on the markup
00:42<millisa>So if you get someone that is using too much bandwidth, it just turns their site off?
00:42<oj>thanks, have you implemented the API before?
00:42<oj>not really off but kind of suspended until bandwidth reset
00:42<millisa>yep
00:43<JeremyE77>Hmm, the economics in this one are interesting :)
00:43<oj>hahaha
00:44<JeremyE77>What is your value add?
00:44<millisa>I don't play much with management panels, but I know cpanel had a bandwidth limiter (I haven't used it)
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00:45<oj>im planning a web and mobile app development business, also i want to include the hosting service so that i can still make profit from the customers
00:45<JeremyE77>even webmin has quota
00:45<millisa>linode's got some rudimentary alerts you can setup that tell you if your linode is exceeding a threshold in cpu/diskio/incoming/outgoingtraffic/transferquota
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00:46<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/uptime/monitoring-and-maintaining-your-server#configuring-linode-manager-email-alerts
00:46<millisa>It won't stop someone from going over your bandwidth quota, but you could at least set it so you get notified.
00:48<JeremyE77>I bet something like laravel forge would work well for you. Maybe not, that exactly, but similar
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00:55*dcraig tickles larsdesigns around a bit with a large sprat
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01:10*rsdehart waits for the day when someone tickles dcraig around a bit with a restraining order
01:11<dcraig>restrained while tickled?
01:11<rsdehart>I don't know that that's how those work
01:12<JeremyE77>Lord, I was gonna warn ya not to get him started on retraints. Unless ya wanted too.
01:12<rsdehart>Yeah, I didn't really want to
01:12<rsdehart>I failed to think this through
01:12<rsdehart>I've made a terrible mistake
01:12<JeremyE77>Well, I over here all free and stuff. :P
01:12<dcraig>too late, no take backsies
01:13<JeremyE77>Do y'all know can Fedora 25 direct disk boot or do ya have do some kind of stuff?
01:14<JeremyE77>I'm gonna find out one way or another but if someone knows...
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01:15<dcraig>sorry bud
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01:17<JeremyE77>eh, the fate of the world is not at hand....this time
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01:20<Wythe>hi
01:20<Wythe>How to put the domain name resolution to LINODE
01:20<arlen>hi
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01:20<Wythe>my domain in namesilo
01:20<arlen>change to ns1-5.linode.com
01:21<dcraig>I'd set it up in the manager first :D
01:21<Wythe>?
01:21<JeremyE77>This one: https://www.namesilo.com/Support/NameServer-Manager & this one: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview
01:22<JeremyE77>not sure what else there is :)
01:22<Wythe>oik
01:23<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is it easy to test an upgrade with cloning? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14595&p=72876#p72876>
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02:11<billy>i bought your services, how i can load centos 5 32bit?
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02:12<Guest38>only can found out centos 5 64bit
02:12<Guest38>but no 32bit
02:13<millisa>I believe that is what was said earlier.
02:13<dcraig>why not go 64bit?
02:13<dcraig>it's the way of the future
02:14<millisa>Generic instructions for getting a custom distribution going https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/custom-distro-on-kvm-linode
02:15<millisa>Is there something you can't do with the 64bit version?
02:22<Guest38>i have many old website
02:22<Guest38>using php 5.2
02:22<Guest38>and the scripts only can run 32bit
02:22<Guest38>i know 64bit, but can not use it.
02:23<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Resizing to the new $5 plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14596&p=72877#p72877>
02:27<Guest38>This guide entails installing a custom Linux distribution on your KVM Linode. If you’re currently running a Xen Linode, you can upgrade, or follow our older guide on Running a Custom Linux Distribution on a Linode.
02:27<Guest38>what is meaning for?
02:27<Guest38>for my services, how can i know kvm or xen?
02:28<csnxs>it's kvm
02:29<JeremyE77>What is particularly special about PHP 5.2? That seems like an odd dependency to me. What does a script care what the architecture is. I am actually curious...it dosen't jive with my world view.
02:30<Guest38>how to load my centos 5 32bit?
02:31<Guest38>many client still need 32bit centos 5 system, they are using register_global
02:31<Guest38>not only me
02:32<Guest38>not all program need always upgrade to new platform
02:32<JeremyE77>I see.
02:32<Guest38>this is not impossible,
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02:32<JeremyE77>It's not. I was just curious.
02:33<csnxs>I've never seen a PHP script that requires 32-bit
02:33<JeremyE77>I followed these instructions to install Fedora...as a test. worked well enough. https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/running-a-custom-linux-distro-on-a-linode-vps
02:33<Guest38>like many people still using winxp
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02:34<Guest38>for my services, how can i know kvm or xen?
02:34<JeremyE77>It's KVM. You would know if it was XEN cos you did it on purpose...at this point.
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02:35<csnxs>But I'd upgrade those scripts if I were you, probably best not to use unsupported software on a soon-to-be-unsupported distro.
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02:37<Guest38>i know, i will plan this issue
02:37<Guest38>thank a lot
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02:44<JeremyE77>Dang it! I wish there was a (limited...I guess) upload boost button you could use once in a while. I hate my slow uploads :(
02:46<arlen>me too
02:46<arlen>for those rare times I need to restore from a local backup
02:46<JeremyE77>That or a new image
02:49<arlen>found my new border crossing phone http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/26/14742150/nokia-3310-mwc-2017
02:49<arlen>31 day battery life :D
02:51<JeremyE77>The screen is a bit better than I remember :)
02:53<JeremyE77>$52 seems high. I would expect it to be like. $2.00 at the checkout stand with some advertising inside.
02:57<arlen>yeah
03:03<dcraig>I always use a burner phone to organize my tickle parties
03:05<csnxs>is that what they call note 7s these days?
03:05<Peng>Cute! My Nokia drug dealer phone got replaced with a ZTE. :/
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03:05<Johnny>Hi all
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03:06<csnxs>obligatory heeeeere's johnny joke
03:08<Johnny>I got a question about installing SSL for my domain, currently my domain is hosted on Linode,anyone know what steps I should go through to generate the CSR?
03:08*Peng throws foam tomatoes at csnxs
03:09<Peng>Johnny: You could use Let's Encrypt. :D
03:09*csnxs encrypts peng
03:10<Peng>Johnny: In any case there are tutorials, including in the Linode docs. You can use openssl if you want to generate a CSR. (You usually wouldn't have to with Let's Encrypt.)
03:10<Johnny>should I go to the control panel and do all the setting there ( as i am managing it for my client, still asking what control panel my client is using) ?
03:13<arlen>you should know, since you would've been the one to set it up
03:14<arlen>Linode provides a vps you get root on, everything else is up to you
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03:14<JeremyE77>The CSR, which if you are doing this for a client, you should know is not LInode specific and is more application specific.
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03:17<Peng>Lettt's Encryyyypt
03:18<dcraig>let's not and say we did
03:18<arlen>✊🏻
03:19<dcraig>what is that
03:23<Johnny>Hi alren, I didnt set it up. So have no clues what control panel it is, I am still figuring it out whetehr its SSH or ubuntu
03:24<JeremyE77>I think I under charge.
03:25<arlen>dcraig: http://emojipedia.org/raised-fist/
03:25<dcraig>JeremyE77 I woulda paid more
03:25<dcraig>thanks, arlen, I think my font is too small
03:25<arlen>Johnny: well it could be ssh and ubuntu
03:26<arlen>dcraig: might not support emojis either
03:26<dcraig>well, it's black and white
03:26<arlen>I irc a lot from my phone
03:26<JeremyE77>dcraig. I couldnt possibly take anymore ;)
03:26<dcraig>but now that I know what it is supposed to look like, I can see the fist
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03:44<Andrey>Hi
03:44<Andrey>Hou update PHP?
03:45<JeremyE77>from? to? on what?
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03:46<Andrey>VPS. Ubuntu 12.04
03:46<Meyer_>Andrey: best option is to upgrade ubuntu
03:46<Andrey>Php 5.3.10 on PHP 5.6
03:46<JeremyE77>apt
03:48<JeremyE77>http://askubuntu.com/questions/565784/how-do-i-upgrade-php-version-to-the-latest-stable-released-version
03:48<Andrey>If I upfrade Ubuntu, my data will be erase?
03:48<Meyer_>Andrey: no
03:48<Meyer_>Andrey: Ubuntu 14.04 has PHP 5.5 and 16.04 has PHP 7.0
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04:03<JeremyE77>Why does an update to freaking Word take more resources than an entire Linux install in a virtualbox? I never understand.
04:54<Andrey>How update Ubuntu ?
04:57<JeremyE77>Typing those into Google would do you wonders.
04:57<JeremyE77>Such as the first result: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
04:57<JeremyE77>(for me anyway)
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05:31<Himanshu>http://139.162.20.243
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05:31<Himanshu>M facing problem on mail function in contact form
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05:51<Zimsky>then M should contact MI6 IT services
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06:05<dex>anyone wanna sell some memes?
06:05<dex>hey u there
06:06<dex>waddup
06:06<dex>eyyy boyes
06:06<dex>the sky is blue
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06:06<dex>hey
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06:06<dex>hey
06:07<dex>everyone is idle
06:07<dex>idle makes me SAD
06:07<dex>i dont like being sad
06:07<dex>sad is abd
06:07<dex>sad is bad
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06:34<JeremyE77>That was easier than I thought once I got around to it. Just make a disk -- dd the netinstaller -- make more disks and install. I wonder why I never did that.
06:37<JeremyE77>Fedora 25 works direct disk that way -- no sweat. The linode document was complicated.
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07:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Resizing to the new $5 plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14596&p=72878#p72878>
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08:14<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Resizing to the new $5 plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14596&p=72879#p72879>
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10:44<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
10:44<@mcintosh>!point Eugene
10:44<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to Eugene. (6)
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10:55<fghgf>hi
10:55<fghgf>Does linode support meteor hosting?
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10:57<grawity>linode gives you a linux server – whatever you install it is your own business
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11:01<cbirk>unless it's e-mail
11:01<cbirk>then it's trumps business
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11:09<nate>please he's still trying to figure out how to use his own gmail
11:09<nate>:P
11:14<cbirk>lol
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11:25<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Resizing to the new $5 plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14596&p=72882#p72882>
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12:55<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Daily backups from Linode to home Windows 10 computer <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14597&p=72883#p72883>
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13:06<jiggawattz>what is meteor
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13:27<atian>jiggawattz the death wish we all have?
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13:59<linbot>New news from status: Newark Internet Edge Capacity Upgrade <https://status.linode.com/incidents/5k5nttbqckvz>
14:01<linbot>New news from docs: Build Database Clusters with MongoDB <https://www.linode.com/docs/databases/mongodb/build-database-clusters-with-mongodb> || Create a MongoDB Replica Set <https://www.linode.com/docs/databases/mongodb/create-a-mongodb-replica-set>
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14:56<Nivex>as much as I'm happy for Linode's success, I miss the days when tickets would get handled in 5 minutes rather than 6 hours
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15:12<John_>hI
15:13<@nbrewer>Hello
15:13<@nbrewer>!ask
15:13<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:13<John_>I would like to know if it is possible to organize network between different instance
15:13<@nbrewer>John_:not quite sure what you mean by that, could you be a little more specific?
15:13<@nbrewer>organize in what way?
15:13<John_>One VLAN
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15:15<@nbrewer>Linodes on the private network aren't a part of their own VLAN, you can secure them with a VPN or something like that though
15:15<riddle>hello
15:16<riddle>(trying IRC for the first time)
15:16<millisa>greetings, riddle
15:21<John_>could you please, send a link on instruction how to do setup vpn on linodes
15:21<@mcintosh>John_: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/set-up-a-hardened-openvpn-server
15:23<@nbrewer>John_: for what you're trying to accomplish, you may also want to have a look at tinc: https://www.tinc-vpn.org/
15:27<HoopyCat>John_: https://www.zerotier.com/ is another interesting option
15:27<HoopyCat>riddle: hi!
15:29<John_>really, zerotier is quite interesting.
15:30<grawity>except for the part where it sometimes loses link mysteriously
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15:35<Eugene>What happened to Singapore https://status.kashpureff.org/dynamic/graph-linode-singapore-Ping-IPv4-118800.png
15:35<Eugene>Oh, I should read harder.
15:36<millisa>loch ness monster broke out and ate a cable
15:36<Nivex>mmm boat anchor
15:36<millisa>submersible backhoe?
15:36<Eugene>Interesting that it hasn't affected IPv6 in the same way - that's just been slow for no reason for a coupla weeks
15:37<millisa>the cut was almost a week ago, maybe something with the repair caused it?
15:37<Eugene>https://status.kashpureff.org/dynamic/graph-linode-singapore-Ping-IPv4-3024000.png vs https://status.kashpureff.org/dynamic/graph-linode-singapore-Ping-IPv6-3024000.png
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15:47<Ikaros>"cut", you mean "fault"
15:54<millisa>The first note I saw on that aag cable was that they were expecting repair on 3/1, but a new site yesterday said now it was 'late march'.
15:56<millisa>http://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/repairs-to-vietnam-s-internet-link-delayed-3546884.html
15:57<millisa>not sure if that's the right cable now since they list the fault as being on the 18th
16:02<Nivex>the alert on status.linode.com is still there, and it can take a loooong time to get an undersea cable repaired
16:15<@aforster>ugh
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16:18<@aforster>the ACPN-2 failure was when we started to see major issues - seems APCN2 was taking over for the capacity lost with TGN-IA - hopefully if they can get APCN2 back up faster than april
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17:52<kyhwana>OUCH: https://www.troyhunt.com/data-from-connected-cloudpets-teddy-bears-leaked-and-ransomed-exposing-kids-voice-messages/
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18:00<HoopyCat>kyhwana: PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLY AND DIRECTLY INTO THE TEDDY BEAR'S MICROPHONE
18:01<kyhwana>HoopyCat: heh
18:02<linbot>Okay. Calling: Mom
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18:09<mee2>Hi, I am trying to sign up for 7 day free trial but website is asking for billing details... will I be charged?
18:10<arlen>yes
18:11<arlen>but if you cancel within the 7 days you can get a refud
18:11<arlen>refund
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18:12<mee2>arlen, thanks - when you say "can get a refund" how hard is it?
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18:12<arlen>however hard it is for you to click cancel and request the refund
18:12<Maze>hi
18:12<arlen>hi
18:12<mee2>Thanks arlen
18:12<arlen>np
18:13<arlen>its to help prevent abuse
18:13<Maze>My linode was deleted cause i did not change my credit card details in time
18:13<mee2>Also, is it permitted to use server for a VPN and would that only use the 1TB "Transfer" portion of the allowance
18:13<arlen>yup
18:13<Maze>i have paid the bill. Is it possible to recover the linode?
18:13<arlen>open a ticket and ask support
18:13<arlen>mee2: i have a couple i use specifically for that
18:13<Maze>ok thanks
18:15<mee2>arlen, ok thanks - to confirm, openvpn will only tap into the "Transfer" allowance
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18:15<arlen>well it'll use the cpu, ram, and disk too
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18:16<arlen>otherwise it wouldn't be installed or running
18:18<arlen>the resources are yours to use for anything that's not against the TOS
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20:27<tharkun>If I require some extra firepower how long can it take to deploy a linode and for how much time I must keep it running?
20:29<bdube>deploying doesn't take long, a few minutes
20:30<bdube>I don't know of a minimum time you must run it, but I think there's a limit on how many you can deploy in a time period to prevent runaway scripts from eating your wallet
20:31<JeremyE77>I think the billing is 1hr min. I am not positive though. I tend to just recycle them through the month.
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20:39<Eugene>AFAIK the billing interval is hourly(:00). "Deployment" is as long as it takes you to create & setup the config profile.
20:40<Eugene>I haven't encoutnered the limits anytime lately, but I know that there are maximums and they can be raised by asking support nicely
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20:41<Eugene>Unrelated whiteboard: https://goo.gl/photos/1krCPsSAenZx3MwCA
20:49<JeremyE77>Next Radiohead album?
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20:56<Eugene>Wife started with Totoro, but it... evolved?
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20:58<JeremyE77>It went a new direction. Evolution is in the eye of the artist :)
20:58<millisa>I don't think your wife would like being referring to as 'it' and just because she's retaining a little is no reason to be throwing 'evolved' around!
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21:08<arlen>ಠ_ಠ
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21:11<Zimsky>hi Eugene
21:11<Zimsky>:3
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22:29<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • DNS Questions <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14598&p=72885#p72885>
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23:05<Pugal>Hi
23:05<Pugal>the server 45.33.107.135 is down
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23:05<Pugal>unable to ping
23:06<Pugal>can you bring the server up
23:06<millisa>have you logged in via lish to look at the console?
23:06<Pugal>putty
23:07<millisa>Putty isn't a valid response to that question...
23:07<Pugal>no
23:07<Pugal>no
23:07<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish see what shows on the console
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23:10<liweng42>hello , everyone
23:10<arlen>hi
23:10<millisa>greetings, liweng42
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23:14<Zimsky>hahaha
23:14<Zimsky>>putty
23:19<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • DNS Questions <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14598&p=72886#p72886>
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23:40<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • DNS Questions <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14598&p=72887#p72887>
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