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00:18<FluffyFoxeh>billing day already? damn it February
00:20<nate>Yeah, I almost forgot to clock my work hours for the month
00:20<nate>glad I at least got to put in some extra time to make up for the lost few days
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00:26<why_>why linode showing 1000 Mbps Network Out for even $5 VPS? Previously i am getting dedicated bandwidth right? now Just like DO it is shared 1Gbps connection ??
00:26<Zimsky>every connection is a shared connection
00:26<millisa>https://blog.linode.com/2017/02/14/high-memory-instances-and-5-linodes/
00:27<why_>max utilisation was 256mbps for a $20 vps
00:27<millisa>they upgraded all the small accounts for valentines day
00:27<millisa>er, small linodes
00:28<why_>:) but now there is a chance to someone can make my SERVER slow? because he/she using full 1Gbps 24x7
00:28<millisa>not anymore than before.
00:29<millisa>the hosts aren't limited to gigabit.
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00:33<millisa>(if you look at the pricing page, you can see the higher memory linodes go well beyond gigabit)
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00:35<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode vs other cloud <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14380&p=72906#p72906>
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00:40<why_>The blog says network out is 75Mbps but your site says 1000Mbps for the new $5 plan. Which is correct? THIS IS FROM COMMENT's so on FEB14 it was just 75Mbps and later changed to 1000Mbps :( One thing i like about linode is NO FAKE ADS WE WILL GET WHAT WE SEE IN LINODE PAGE. but now i need to test it and verify network out speed for $5 VPS .. :) and so on.. :) WHY just for Marketing ?? YES SOME PEOPLE NEED UNLIMITED and 1Gbps :(
00:40<millisa>where in the blog do you see 75mbps?
00:41<why_>in comments
00:41<Eugene>I believe the original blog post said 75mbps
00:41<Eugene>Or something ridiculous
00:41<why_>yes...
00:41<why_>later changed to 1000Mbps
00:42<arlen>the speed is what's listed on the pricing page
00:42<nate>why_: You're never going to get 'unlimited' network speeds because if anything there's no such thing as unlimited even
00:43<why_>I know. I am not looking for Unlimited pans.
00:45<Zimsky>nate: you've clearly never studied string theory
00:46<Meyer_>why_: So, if I understand you correct you are worried the uplink from linodes physical hosts will be congested due to them raising the bandwith cap?
00:46<Zimsky>every time why_ says something, I prepend "why, " to what they say
00:46<why_>yes
00:46<Meyer_>why_: Remember that there are still transfer limits.
00:46<Zimsky>"why yes"
00:46<Zimsky>"why, I know!"
00:47<Meyer_>why_: The $5 one for example includes 1TB of transfer
00:47<Meyer_>why_: So, not realistic to assume that a $5 Linode will consume 1Gbps 24/7
00:47<why_>ohh i see
00:47<Eugene>Y THO
00:47<Meyer_>why_: Second, linodes physical hosts do not have 1Gbps uplinks. They have more than that
00:48<Zimsky>Eugene: like someone from the midlands in the 60s
00:48<millisa>as a quick test, I dumped a 1gb file from one of my 5$ linodes over to the cheapest DO box: 100% 1012MB 46.0MB/s 00:22
00:48<millisa>definitely faster than 75mbps.
00:49<Zimsky>but but but millisa it says 46
00:49<why_>Then you should have done this last year itself. JUST for marketing .. many people happy to see more numbers on paper :)
00:49<Zimsky>why_: lol what
00:49<arlen>why
00:49<nate>Zimsky: You're free to link some citation where the current internet backbones are completely unlimited transfer capability because of string theory
00:49<nate>lol
00:49<why_>showing 1 Gbps for cheap linods
00:50<arlen>why should they have done it for marketing?
00:50<nate>why_: Perhaps last year they didn't have the hardware infrastructure for it?
00:50<Zimsky>nate: are you running s/$/\nlol/g on everything you say
00:50<why_>maybe
00:51<Zimsky>and nate I was referring to the concept of infinity itself, not IXs
00:51<Meyer_>I am quite pleased that they put 1Gbps as the minimum cap
00:51<Zimsky>why_: the bandwidths are what they're listed as; whatever you've heard elsewhere or in some blog comment is bollocks
00:52<Zimsky>it's not really that complicated
00:52<Meyer_>sometimes before I got limited when some of my customers got a viral post or such. Had to scale to a bigger Linode to get more outgoing bandwith
00:52<nate>Zimsky: So basically something completely irrelevant to what I stated which is based on current factual limitations of internet connections? Good to know
00:52<Zimsky>yep
00:53<Zimsky>your horse's position has a rather exceeding y value and I would greatly recommend you dismount
00:54<why_>No issues! DO oversold .. i think linode also going to do the same :) even my DO VPS cannot handle 1000 Live users .. but in linode same $/mo handling 5 to 7K live users :) THAT IS WHY I LOVE LINODE :)
00:54<Zimsky>and suddenly, facebook
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01:20<FluffyFoxeh>stupid stupid stupid
01:33<dcraig>foxeh foxeh foxeh
01:33<Zimsky>saying your own name three times does not summon your clone
01:33<dcraig>zimmy zimmy zimmy
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01:47<FluffyFoxeh>http://stupidfox.net/
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02:22<Freddy>Kudos on the new plans! Love the $5 plan and was wondering if its possible to downgrade? The specs on the $5 plan is what i initially needed
02:24<FluffyFoxeh>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
02:25<Freddy>Thank you
02:25<FluffyFoxeh>:)
02:25<Freddy>Kind of emberassing i didnt see the link in the nav :P
02:26<FluffyFoxeh>heh
02:27<FluffyFoxeh>remember to resize your disks first
02:27<FluffyFoxeh>it won't let you shrink otherwise
02:27<Eugene>....huh, I've been double-billed for a Linode.
02:28<FluffyFoxeh>kind of annoying, but then again I think DO doesn't let you do it at all, so
02:28<Eugene>I'm going to wait until morning to file a ticket, maybe it will sort itself out.
02:28<Eugene>(It was an inter-account transfer)
02:28<FluffyFoxeh>oh so you got billed on both accounts?
02:28<Eugene>Yeah.
02:29<Eugene>Oh, no, even weirder. I got billed for the Linode on one account, and for 16c of transfer overages on the other
02:29<Eugene>WTF
02:30<Eugene>Heh, and the credit card expired a year ago. Why are they even letting me do this
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02:43<ltlynxus>I'm planning to subscribe for a $5/mo plan. How many IP address will be assigned?
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02:45<kyhwana>ltlynxus: one ipv4, one ipv6, but you can request larger ipv6 blocks and you'll get those
02:46<kyhwana>and no you can't get more ipv4's for a single linode for some BS SEO or spamming reason
02:51<ltlynxus>Thanks!
02:51<ltlynxus>I will be using it for testing purposes only
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03:01<demmy>hello
03:01<csnxs>yo
03:02<demmy>im very new to linode
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03:04<csnxs>and?
03:07<demmy>i created a linode
03:07<rsdehart>good
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03:11<demmy>i wanted to set it up however i wanted to finish my application on local first
03:11<demmy>just to get billed
03:11<demmy>i had to remove it
03:11<HVT>Does Linode have any VM snapshot?
03:12<kyhwana>demmy: yes, as long as the linode exists (even powered off) you get billed
03:12<Meyer_>HVT: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-images
03:12<HVT>I forgot to backup some data before deleting my VM
03:12<demmy>wow i didnt know
03:12<Meyer_>HVT: I would suggest you open a support ticket. Linodes support might be able to help you out
03:13<demmy>ok thanks u guys are awesome
03:13<HVT>Thankyou Meyer. I'm going to open a ticket
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03:53<rick111>what are my homies using for additional storage at the moment? i need an extra 100GB on my linode to backup some stuff from home.
03:54<Meyer_>rick111: I use Amazon S3 for backups
03:54<rick111>do you attach the S3 to your linode, or I guessing, go S3 direct? I've not much experience with S3.
03:55<Meyer_>S3 direct
03:55<rick111>cheers
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03:58<dand>the bw in s3 is more expensive
03:58<dand>if you only backup data it's fine
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04:26<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Refused Connection <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14602&p=72907#p72907>
04:26<dcraig>linbot, make me spaghetti
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04:36<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Refused Connection <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14602&p=72909#p72909> || General Discussion • Resizing to the new $5 plan <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14596&p=72908#p72908>
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05:28<imran>hi
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05:29<imran>i want to know the webuzo installation you will provide
05:32<imran>hi
05:32<Meyer_>hi
05:32<imran>i want to know the webuzo installation you will provide
05:32<imran>i want to know the webuzo installation you will provide
05:32<ponas>imran: linode only provides a base Linux distro instalattion
05:32<ponas>if you need webuzo you'll need to install it yourself
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05:33<ponas>np, happy to help
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06:33<imraan>Hi everyone. I have a linode setup using ubuntu and LAMP. I have linked a domain. Problem is that the domain as well as the IP address brings up the website. I want when the user types in ip address the domain must show in the address bar instead of ip address. Please guide me how can i do that
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06:37<imraan>anyone ?
06:37<grawity>set up two <VirtualHost> blocks, the first without ServerName, the second with
06:38<grawity>once you get that working, add redirects (RewriteRule) to the 1st block to redirect all URLs to the correct domain
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06:53<rick111>the PTR thing, will only let me update the lookup for my primary IP. Do I need to open a ticket for my secondary?
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06:53<rick111>PTR thing -> linode manager page/remove access
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06:53<rick111>remote*
06:54<Peng>It lets you update any IP associated with the node.
06:54<rick111>you're right
06:54<rick111>I was using it wrong, thanks.
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07:38<source47>hi there. i am trying to reset my login, but its not sending me any reset instructions?
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08:13<carlT>hi
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08:51<van7hu>hello
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08:52<van7hu>Is there any customer support?
08:52<ponas>!ask
08:52<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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08:54<Zimsky>"@localhost"
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08:55<ponas>seems legit
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09:25<JamesTK>Which AS is Linode's main one?
09:26<JamesTK>http://bgp.he.net/AS63949#_asinfo ?
09:26<JamesTK>dayum http://bgp.he.net/AS63949#_ix
09:30<Peng>Tokyo 1 is still KDDI
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09:36<hunk>hi
09:36<linbot>hello
09:36<hunk>any linode support here?
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09:36<@mcintosh>hunk: hi!
09:37<hunk>hi
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09:41<linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Power Maintenance - London <https://status.linode.com/incidents/j1lr8d88n6zj>
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10:19<rick111>if only they were all that simple
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11:02<csnxs>!to mcintosh urmom
11:02<linbot>mcintosh: Yo momma is so ugly when she tried to join an ugly contest they said, Sorry, no professionals. (1:2/1) [mourm]
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11:03<@mcintosh>okay that one is hilarious lol
11:03<@mcintosh>!upvote 1
11:03<linbot>mcintosh: Upvote added.
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11:22<tharkun>The other day I asked "If I require some extra firepower how long can it take to deploy a linode and for how much time I must keep it running?" but I had to be offline for quite sometime and my backlog does not have any answers. Can anyone slap me again with it
11:23<Peng>Deploying a node can take about 1 minute to infinity.
11:23<Peng>You can delete a Linode immediately, but you will pay for 1 hour of service at minimum.
11:23<UKn0Me>Peng, be realistic
11:23<Peng>30 seconds to infinity?
11:24<UKn0Me>Sounds about right
11:24<relidy>If you just want to clone an existing machine, that's quick and easy. If you want to resize an existing machine to a higher server level, that'll vary a bit based on the amount of data, but it's still pretty quick. Otherwise, it's however long it takes you to configure a new machine.
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11:26<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:27<UKn0Me>Not every day I'm AWSin'
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11:27<Peng>Every day i'm AWSin' but not as much for about 4 hours yesterday
11:29<UKn0Me>Haven't been AWSin' for years now
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11:49<akash>I have some doubt on the cloud service
11:49<akash>can we install our own web servers and applications in linode cloud servers
11:49<relidy>akash: Yes
11:50<@mcintosh>akash: you have root on a linux server - you can install anything you'd like
11:50<akash>one more doubt in which all locations linode has servers
11:50<akash>I would need a website for a dubai based company
11:51<akash>so do you have a location near to dubai
11:51<akash>or in dubai
11:51<akash>I heard that the performance do effect with the location the server is hosted and the service is provided
11:51<csnxs>!speedtest
11:51<linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
11:51<akash>is it true
11:51<csnxs>^ a list of locations, and a speedtest file you can download to test them
11:53<akash>so dubai there is no server available
11:53<akash>so will this effect the performance
11:54<akash>???
11:55<@mcintosh>akash: there are locations near dubai -- not a lot of providers have a dubai datacenter specifically
11:55<@mcintosh>akash: I'd recommend testing out frankfurt, singapore and Tokyo 2 - they may provide good performance for users in Dubai
11:59<akash>ok thank you
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12:06<fantasymashups>howdy, I want to give salt stack a try for my php deployments. Is there a stackscript for it on an instance?
12:07<relidy>There's not much to a SaltStack "stackscript". https://repo.saltstack.com/#bootstrap
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12:11<fantasymashups>relidy is salt stack a pretty recognized app for managing everything or do people usually use jenkins/bamboo?
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13:04<relidy>fantasymashups: Salt is really intended more for infrastructure management rather than software deployment. You *can* use it for just software deployment, but you'd be barely scratching the surface of its capabilities. You might consider joining #salt on Freenode if you're serious about checking it out.
13:07<Zimmedon>Anyone by chance know if Linode ever enabled SELinux in their CentOS kernels?
13:07<relidy>Zimmedon: They don't currently. I can't speak to historically.
13:08<FluffyFoxeh>Zimmedooooon
13:08<Zimmedon>FluffyFoxeh: hai :p
13:08<@caker>Zimmedon: Deploy CentOS, switch to "GRUB" in the Linode configuration file. That's all that is required (to use CentOS's kernel)
13:08<MajObviousman>zifnab: does your pastebin support a command-line push feature? I saw hastebin did this, but I don't see a mention of it in your codebase
13:09<Zimmedon>caker: Yeah, that's the next thing I was thinking of. I know they had SELinux gutted when I was last with them around 2010. Just wasn't sure if they ever brouht that back.
13:09<MajObviousman>oooh, found it
13:09*MajObviousman neverminds
13:09<zifnab> MajObviousman cli in repo
13:09<zifnab>Lol
13:09<MajObviousman>sweet, cheers
13:10*MajObviousman is angry enough at jabber to finally go install a company pastebin
13:10<MajObviousman>got any suggestions for an image service to work along-side it?
13:10<zifnab>And youre using mine
13:10<MajObviousman>vomitb.in tends to stick in the mind
13:10<zifnab>Not yet. I've actually debated adding image support
13:11<zifnab>I just don't want the bandwidth
13:11<MajObviousman>sure
13:11<zifnab>Not until I start my linode based cdn that is
13:11<MajObviousman>how much coding would it be? Because we'd totally use such a thing on our private pastebin here
13:11<zifnab>(traffic is so cheap...)
13:12<zifnab>Well mongo had an image type
13:12<MajObviousman>not that I need anything additional on my plate, but maybe I can scratch some time to throw some PRs your way
13:12<zifnab>I don't know what it is internally
13:12<zifnab>Ha sure. Code is a mess, haven't really touched it in ages
13:13<zifnab>It predates me doing software for work
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13:15<MajObviousman>so, in the interest of fairness, would you suggest I use a different pastebin software then?
13:15<zifnab>I like it
13:15<zifnab>It works
13:15<MajObviousman>good enough
13:16<zifnab>I use gist more often now but it's because I haven't bothered to back port changes I like
13:19<MajObviousman>hmm, I can't edit pastes can I
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13:29<Eugene>MajObviousman - if you decide to rewrite using something that isn't mongodb as a backend, I might be convinced to rehost vomitb.in myself instead of relying upon zifnab
13:30<Eugene>I don't believe in storing data in mango trees
13:31<cruxeternus>But mango trees are web scale.
13:31*jleal died a little
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13:33<Eugene>I'm sure there's an arachnid-targeted pesticide thats fruit-safe
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14:13<Eugene>Fremont-Singapore got a little bit better last night, but that fiber cut still seems to be a factor. https://status.kashpureff.org/dynamic/graph-linode-singapore-Ping-IPv4-3024000.png
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14:36<LookingGlass>Hello
14:36<millisa>Greetings
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14:37<LookingGlass>I am Kalid from Looking Glass Cyber Solutions. I am contacting you guys to report a hijacked website being hosted on your servers which is being used in a phishing campaign.
14:37<millisa>That'd be a job for abuse@linode.com
14:37<LookingGlass>Our company represents our client Barclays Bank
14:37<LookingGlass>http://middenstandot.be/co/
14:38<millisa>Include any relevant logs, IP's and such in the mail
14:38<LookingGlass>This is the URL
14:38<MajObviousman>zifnab, Eugene: is mongodb required for mere text operation, or are we speaking purely about the image part
14:38<LookingGlass>I would just like to let you know here so that this case can be urgently worked on
14:38<LookingGlass>Thank You
14:38<millisa>LookingGlass: send mail about it to abuse@linode.com that's their official process for reporting that sort of thing
14:38<Eugene>mongodb is what zifnab knew at the time and I don't care enough to rewrite it
14:39<Eugene>My 2c is that flat-file works juuuust fine
14:39<LookingGlass>Ok. thank You
14:39<MajObviousman>so that's interesting, mongodb was not mentioned in the install requirements
14:39<MajObviousman>unless pip does that for me via some magic out of requirements.txt
14:39<Eugene>https://github.com/zifnab06/zifb.in/blob/master/requirements.txt#L10
14:40<MajObviousman>sure enough
14:40<Eugene>IIRC mongodb just trusts localhost
14:40<Eugene>Because THAT makes sense
14:40<MajObviousman>should probably add it to the readme.md. "To get this running, install nginx, pip, gunicorn, and supervisor" is misleading
14:40<Eugene>Patches welcome
14:41<MajObviousman>yep
14:42<zifnab>MajObviousman: mongo is easy. That's the only reason.
14:42<MajObviousman>no doubt
14:43<MajObviousman>I have an allergy to it, though
14:43<zifnab>Find me another database I can save objects to without any extra work
14:43<zifnab>Lol
14:43<MajObviousman>couch. no better, far worse IMO
14:43<zifnab>Eugene has a flat file fetish
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14:45<Cory>Does anyone know how often the resolvers @ fremont refresh?
14:45<Eugene>You don't need to optimize your table layouts if there aren't any
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14:45<Eugene>You can't SQL join a directory
14:45<Eugene>I mean, you can, but shut the fuck up
14:46<Eugene>I also like sqlite, or really any abstraction layer thats simple enough to write an RFC about it
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14:48<LookingGlass>I would like to bring to your attention that I can read all of your chats going on
14:49<millisa>That is generally how IRC works
14:49<Cromulent>holy shit
14:49<LookingGlass>This support link which is given out to the public is allowing customers to view your chats
14:49<millisa>This is a community chat, that would be the point
14:49<Cromulent>that is because this is a public chat room
14:50<LookingGlass>And you guys are a hosting provider?
14:50<Cromulent>we are just users not staff of linode
14:50<millisa>most of us anyways
14:50<millisa>It does say "Chat with the Linode community on the Linode IRC channel." that'd be us.
14:50<LookingGlass>;)
14:50<millisa>!ops
14:50<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
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15:04<FluffyFoxeh>pfft
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15:24<h4rd3st>need proffesional support to setup my server..
15:24<Cromulent>!pro
15:24<linbot>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
15:24<Cromulent>!managed
15:24<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
15:24<Cromulent>those links might interest you
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15:27<h4rd3st>already take managed.. what next ?
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15:27<Cromulent>ask for a quote from professional services if you want Linode to install things for you
15:29<@wblew>h4rd3st: ^
15:29<@wblew>h4rd3st: https://www.linode.com/professional-services
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15:30<h4rd3st>already Open a new Support Ticket..
15:31<csnxs>backups are limited to ext4, right?
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15:31<@wblew>ctarquini: ^
15:32<@caker>limited? no. It can back up most filesystems.
15:32<csnxs>does that include btrfs?
15:33<@caker>yes
15:33<csnxs>woo
15:33<csnxs>tyt
15:33<@caker>note that restoring will always get you only ext4
15:33<csnxs>oh
15:33<@caker>but hey - you get your data back ... ?
15:33<@caker>:)
15:35<csnxs>gonna have a play with converting my server to btrfs, wish me luck I guess
15:39<arlen>good luck
15:52<h4rd3st>already create a qoute too.. next?
15:59<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Daily backups from Linode to home Windows 10 computer <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14597&p=72910#p72910>
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16:13<Woet>h4rd3st: read the instructions in the quote? accept the amount?
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16:46<tharkun>relidy: I am facing some cpu intensive periods and I rather rent a few extranodes to get the work done and then release them we are speaking like 12 hours of heavy workload spread throughout 2 days at most.
16:46<tharkun>Thanks for the data.
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16:48<L_L>...
16:48<L_L>hello
16:48<cruxeternus>hi
16:48<L_L>I have some question
16:48<cruxeternus>ask away
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16:49<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Refused Connection <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14602&p=72911#p72911>
16:49<L_L>If I do not have knowledage about script can I use linode?
16:50<millisa>Look through the getting started guide and see if looks like something you want to do: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
16:50<cruxeternus>Well... Linode gives you a full Linux VPS, but you have to install, configure, and maintain the software yourself.
16:51<cruxeternus>If you want Linode to do some setup and configuration, they do also offer professional services as well, for additional costs.
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16:51<L_L>I need recommend about woocommerce website
16:51<L_L>what is the best plan?
16:51<L_L>for new website
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16:52<cruxeternus>You can always start with a small Linode, then upgrade size over time as needed.
16:52<L_L>how much cost for setup my woocommerce website?
16:52<cruxeternus>For that, you probably want to look here:
16:52<cruxeternus>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
16:53<L_L>I interest 2gb lonode
16:53<cruxeternus>2GB Linode is probably fine to start with
16:53<cruxeternus>Then, if you get a lot of traffic, you can upgrade it
16:54<L_L>2GB linode have different with other share host so much?
16:55<L_L>about perfomance
16:55<L_L>have more different?
16:55<L_L>sorry my english are bad
16:56<cruxeternus>Heh, are you asking if Linode performance suffers because there are too many VPS sharing the same resources?
16:57<cruxeternus>Linode VPS are not overloaded onto hardware.
16:57<cruxeternus>Performance is a strong point of Linode VPS.
16:57<L_L>do you know how much the additional costs for setup website from wordpress?
16:57<cruxeternus>For that, you'll need a quote. I'm just a Linode customer.. you'll have to ask them through their web form.
16:58<L_L>Deos linode have free SSL ?
16:58<arlen>no
16:59<arlen>they don't have paid ssl either
16:59<cruxeternus>No, but you can get free SSL certificates from Let's Encrypt.
17:00<L_L>yes I mean Let's Encrypt
17:01<cruxeternus>You can set it up on your web server, or professional services can, I'm sure.
17:01<L_L>linode can enable Let's Encrypt ssl to customer or customer would like to enable by yourself
17:01<L_L>ahh
17:01<L_L>Free or charge?
17:02<cruxeternus>Well, professional services cost money.. so if a Linode person has to do any software setup or config, it will cost. :/
17:02<L_L>linode have security website ?
17:02<arlen>everything they have is listed on https://linode.com
17:03<L_L>what your plan you use now?
17:03<cruxeternus>I have a couple of 2GB plans for personal use, and 4 x 4GB plans for my business.
17:03<L_L>i read all I just need to know from other customer like me
17:04<L_L>what is 4 x 4 gb
17:04<L_L>4 core?
17:04<cruxeternus>I have four 4GB plans :P
17:04<L_L>ahh
17:04<L_L>5 website?
17:04<L_L>6*
17:05<L_L>all your plan is website?
17:05<cruxeternus>No... actually just one website.. I just the others for intranet software, file backups, collaboration, etc.
17:05<L_L>ahh
17:05<L_L>what plan your website use?
17:05<cruxeternus>It's hosted on one of the 4GB plans.. but it's way overkill for our traffic.
17:05<cruxeternus>I could easily host it on the 1GB ($5) node if I wanted to.
17:06<ericnoan>the flexibility of using linode is great... you pay per hour, so if you aren't using your server, you can just take a backup of it and destroy the node, you won't pay for it until you need it again
17:06<L_L>how many your traffic per days?
17:06<cruxeternus>L_L: It's just a website for a small business that doesn't do ecommerce... so we're talking about 100 hits per month at most :P
17:07<cruxeternus>My use of Linode is probably very different than yours would be. :)
17:07<cruxeternus>But still, a 2GB Linode could easily host WordPress for thounsands of users.
17:07<L_L>Is it possible linode charge price more than plan?
17:07<ericnoan>well... thousands might be pusing it
17:08<cruxeternus>Well, thousands overall.. maybe not concurrently. :P
17:08<ericnoan>users, yes... but thousands of sites, no
17:08<L_L>thousands per day?
17:08<ericnoan>visits, i presume
17:08<cruxeternus>Well.. I mean visits.
17:08<cruxeternus>With sites, you're probably going to run into limits related to storage.
17:08<millisa>L_L: bandwidth overage, the backup service, extra IP's, node balancers would all be costs that could be beyond the plan cost.
17:09<cruxeternus>But again, once you hit a limit, you can always upgrade your Linode to a larger size.
17:09<L_L>ahh
17:10<cruxeternus>And if you get big enough, you'll want to diversify your infrastructure, so that you don't have a single point of failure... and you can do that in several ways with additional Linodes.
17:10<L_L>how much cost if run into limits?
17:10<millisa>It's all here https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments
17:11<L_L>Please reccomend all anything I need to know if my website is ecommerce form woocommerce?
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17:15<L_L>Please recomend me all about linode if my website is ecommerce form woocommerce?
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17:15<Matthew>Hello Guys.
17:15<Cromulent>hi
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17:15-!-Matthew is now known as Guest286
17:15<Guest286>So I'll try to be quick here. I'm trying to figure out the key differences between VPS and Dedicated servers.
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17:16<Cromulent>Guest286: the main difference is that there is more than one VM per host machine where as a dedicated server is well... dedicated
17:16<csnxs>vps is a virtual machine, a dedicated is a real machine
17:16<Lycrios>Okay, now on a VPS can I run ubuntu Desktop OS?
17:17<csnxs>if you wanted
17:17<Cromulent>if you want I guess but why do you want to run the desktop version?
17:17<Lycrios>Okay, that's good then.
17:17<ericnoan>Lycrios: there is no screen attached, but you might get it to work with x-forwarding or vnc
17:17<millisa>glish?
17:18<Lycrios>That is the plan. I was going to use TeamViewer as my screen adapter.
17:18<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/use-the-graphic-shell-glish
17:18<L_L>what is Linode Managed?
17:18<Cromulent>!managed
17:18<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
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17:18<L_L>100$/M
17:19<millisa>per linode
17:19<Cromulent>per linode - yes
17:19<L_L>If do not pay
17:19<L_L>I'd setup all by my self?
17:19<L_L>I understand true?
17:20<Cromulent>yes although managed doesn't really set things up for you anyway - they just monitor stuff for you
17:20<Cromulent>professional services is what sets things up for you
17:20<csnxs>managed basically revive your stuff if it goes down
17:21<csnxs>with some extra bonuses sprinkled on top
17:21<L_L>if I need linode install my wordpress , it have cost?
17:22<Cromulent>yes
17:22<L_L>how much?
17:22<Cromulent>!pro
17:22<linbot>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
17:22<csnxs>get a quote and find out
17:22<Cromulent>ask and get a quote
17:22<L_L>what is Longview Pro 3/10/40/100/
17:22<JeremyE77>I'll do it for $500
17:22<gparent>ill hire JeremyE77 to do it for $600
17:22<Cromulent>L_L: there is a document that tells you everything you need to do to install wordpress
17:23<JeremyE77>Done!
17:23<csnxs>i'll hire gparent to hire JeremyE77 to do it for $700!
17:23*gparent adds exactly $100 of value
17:23<gparent>my work is done here
17:23<Eugene>tkelso - no, it is not because the transfer is prorated. Its because you guys fucked up the inter-account transfer
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17:24<Eugene>tkelso - it should not have charged that account to begin with
17:24<JeremyE77>That happened
17:24<L_L>It hard or easy for install wordpress?
17:24<Cromulent>L_L: easy
17:25<Cromulent>you can do it in 5 mins
17:25<JeremyE77>L_L: It's pretty hard. $500 hard. Just kissing it's easy. Dpending on your level of skill. Just unzip and run the installer.
17:25<L_L>install wordpress need cpanel?
17:25<JeremyE77>kissing=kidding :-/
17:25<Cromulent>no
17:25<Cromulent>L_L: nope no cpanel required
17:26<@mcintosh>Eugene: what are you talking about?
17:26<L_L>cpanel is important fro wordpress website in linode?
17:26<Cromulent>L_L: no
17:26<L_L>for*
17:26<csnxs>no
17:26<L_L>why?
17:26<JeremyE77>cpanel is NEVER important :)
17:26<Eugene>mcintosh - ticket #7581016
17:26<Cromulent>because it just isn't needed
17:26<L_L>ahh
17:26<Eugene>mcintosh - Linode was trasnferred between accounts, but the charges weren't. Old account got charged for the Linode; new account got charged for a bandwidth overage
17:26<Eugene>If the transfer had been done right to begin with there shouldn't have been any overage
17:27<Eugene>The account got credited properly, but I want to make sure I'm clear about naming + shaming a bad billing practice
17:27<L_L>what is the image for woocommerce website should I choose?
17:27<Eugene>Because that would have been wildly unacceptable if it was a large node
17:27<JeremyE77>L_L: Magento or anything else
17:27<Eugene>(and I don't like to swear on our company's ticket tracker)
17:27<L_L>what is the image for woocommerce website should I choose?
17:28<kyhwana>Now, not getting your wordpress hacked, well, that's not quite as easy
17:28<JeremyE77>L_L: Reality: Any distribution should be fine. CentOS is a pretty efficient Web server...so are the others tho
17:28<L_L>ubanto or centos?
17:28<Cromulent>L_L: I use Ubuntu myself but CentOS is also well regarded
17:28<linbot>mentos
17:29<csnxs>coke!
17:29<L_L>wordpress from linode safety?
17:29<csnxs>what we need is diet coke flavoured mentos - made with real diet coke
17:30<Eugene>The coke diet is not what you think it is
17:30<L_L>website from wordpress by linode safety?
17:30<Cromulent>L_L: linode has nothing to do with the safety of your website that is down to you
17:30<@caker>leeloo dallas multipass?
17:31<Zimsky>cheeka passa no wookie solo
17:31<kyhwana>L_L: linode has nothing to do with that. That's up to you. (Make sure you update all your plugins/core, use good passwords, etc, lock it down properly, etc)
17:31<millisa>It's reminding me of this dude from 'if google was a guy': http://editorial.designtaxi.com/editorial-images/news-google211015/4.jpg
17:31<JeremyE77>L_L: https://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/12-linode-WordPress <- I leave it up to you to investigate the usefulness of a stackscript,
17:32<Cromulent>you might want to disable XML-RPC as well given the recent troubles
17:32<millisa>(if google was a guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOBzWF0Aws )
17:32<Zimsky>but what if google was an apache attack helicopter
17:32<Eugene>It still wouldn't be able to tell the difference between insurgent RPGs and reporter cameras
17:33<Zimsky>boom
17:33<gparent>"Click on all squares representing ISIS insurgents in this picture"
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17:36<JeremyE77>Small Business Advice for the 21st Century: Once you make your first e-dollar buy a cart program that is not woocommerce :D Unless you know how to make it fast. No one else seems to.
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17:37<JeremyE77>My weed store has the slowest one ever :D
17:37<Zimsky>why are you selling weeds
17:37<JeremyE77>It's all that grow here!
17:38<JeremyE77>Native greeens
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17:45<Jooda>Hi
17:45<Jooda>Does Linode not have Anti DDOS?
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17:45<kyhwana>linode does not offer ddos protection
17:45<Jooda>oh
17:46<Jooda>my site is down due to ddos apparently
17:46<Jooda>:/
17:46<@mcintosh>Eugene: thanks for the ticket number -- does seem off, yes
17:46<Jooda>I have over 1000 users playing my game who suddenly cant play
17:46<Jooda>Is there anything I can do?
17:46<kyhwana>Jooda: did linode email you and say you got null routed due to it?
17:46<kyhwana>Jooda: ah, let me guess, minecraft?
17:46<Jooda>yes
17:47<kyhwana>The wonderful dodgy world of minecraft DDOS/anti-ddos racketerring services
17:47<Ikaros>See that's the sad thing with Minecraft servers...they are among THE most tempting targets for DDoSers.
17:48<kyhwana>Jooda: there is basically nothing you can do
17:48<kyhwana>Ikaros: did you read the krebs article on that?
17:48<Ikaros>kyhwana: I have not
17:48<kyhwana>It involves the Mirai worm people and minecraft ddos/anti-ddos services, etc, let me find it
17:49<Ikaros>Wasn't aware there was one specifically on that topic, at least...but then again I'm usually only looking at Krebs when I'm linked to it.
17:49<kyhwana>Ikaros: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/01/who-is-anna-senpai-the-mirai-worm-author/
17:49<kyhwana>Turns out this guy sells minecraft hosting and also sold access to mirai/used it to ddos other peoples minecraft servers so that he and his buddies would get those servers users instead
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17:51<Ikaros>Aha, this article I DID read, now it seems familiar.
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18:02<JeremyE77>If you can't win Minecraft...DDOS those that can?
18:02<JeremyE77>Sounds Trumpy
18:07<cruxeternus>Can you play Minecraft through Cloudflare? :P
18:08<cruxeternus>I can already play other people's OkCupid accounts through it...
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18:25<kyhwana>cruxeternus: nope
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18:57<JeremyE77>Has anyone experiences with this group? https://docs.sentry.io/
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19:00<ackwitdaglock>hellooo there
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19:00<@mcintosh>hello
19:01<JeremyE77>hi
19:01<ackwitdaglock>do you work for linode ?
19:02<millisa>!ops
19:02<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
19:02<ackwitdaglock>ok so i would like to know if you guys supply proxies
19:02<ackwitdaglock>or have a service that does
19:02<ackwitdaglock>i am interested in good proxies to use on a sneaker bot
19:03<@mcintosh>you can install proxy services on a Linode
19:03<ackwitdaglock>will i be able to get proxies out of it ?
19:04<JeremyE77>Seems like you are going to want a lot of IP addresses to do a Sneaker bot?
19:04<kyhwana>-.-
19:04<millisa>I must be out of touch . . .what is a sneaker bot?
19:04<JeremyE77>Cheap sneaker price scrapers
19:05<JeremyE77>Or they ...used to be. Maybe that has changed
19:05<millisa>how is it different than any other product's price scraper?
19:05<JeremyE77>IDK
19:06<JeremyE77>How is it a value proposition if many people are doing it? That is the real question. Work with your distributors...you will get better prices :D
19:07<dumle29>hey there. So I have tried setting up a CSGO server on a linode 1G plan, and it seems to work, but has much higher cpu usage than I had anticipated. Is there any way to know how much CPU I've been given?
19:07<millisa>cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
19:08<JeremyE77>works for me! :D
19:08<kyhwana>dumle29: you get a single core? What's the steal %?
19:09<dumle29>millisa: Thanks, That tells me it's a XEON E5-2680 v3
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19:09<dumle29>at 2.5GHz, but that should run my server fine, and it doesn't
19:09<dumle29>kyhwana: Steal %?
19:09<kyhwana>dumle29: CPU steal %
19:09<dumle29>kyhwana: How would I check?
19:09<kyhwana>top?
19:09<millisa>top
19:09<dumle29>ah
19:09<dumle29>I didn't know that was called steal %
19:10<dumle29>I've always called it utilization. sorry about that :)
19:10<dumle29>it peaks around 96%
19:10<kyhwana>if it's <1% then you're getting all the CPU time you can get
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19:10<JeremyE77>http://serverfault.com/questions/230495/what-does-st-mean-in-top
19:10<dumle29>kyhwana: Oh steal
19:11<kyhwana>dumle29: does your actual CPU usage stay at 100% when you're seeing lag/whatever on your csgo server?
19:11<dumle29>gotcha. Let me see if I can get a few people on the server
19:11<dumle29>kyhwana: Yea. Matches pretty well
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19:11<dumle29>This is a test we ran: http://i.imgur.com/vaIHkzB.png It's the 24h 5min avg
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19:12<jooda>Hi guys
19:12<jooda>Is there a live chat support?
19:12<JeremyE77>We dead
19:12<jooda>Because I need to contact but I cant phone to expensive
19:12<jooda>Linode changed my IP for me but it broke my website
19:12<jooda>So I urgently need changed back
19:12<millisa>if it's something that needs official support, tickets from the manager are the best bet
19:13<JeremyE77>That would happen :)
19:13<kyhwana>jooda: broke your website how? Also did you file a support ticket?
19:13<AlexMax>i find it amazing that linode staff actually hangs out in irc
19:13<jooda>I think apache IP
19:13<jooda>etc
19:13<jooda>was still old IP
19:13<jooda>but I dont know how to fix
19:13<jooda>and my site wont loads
19:13<jooda>I have like 3000 players
19:13<kyhwana>dumle29: hmm, im not familar with csgo specs, but you could try upping it to the next plan with more cores?
19:13<jooda>complaining to me
19:13<jooda>so much spam to me
19:13<JeremyE77>did you request the change?
19:14<kyhwana>jooda: you didn't update your DNS?
19:14<jooda>yes i did
19:14<JeremyE77>well, woops on YOU then!
19:14<jooda>i ask them to change it back now
19:14<kyhwana>(DNS has caching delays of up to 24-48 hours, btw.)
19:14<dumle29>kyhwana: 0 steal, and now it's at 93% usage just for the go server
19:14<jooda>they told me it would solve all issues
19:14<jooda>but i have many many problems
19:14<kyhwana>jooda: they might not be able to do that, but good luck
19:14<jooda>because no anti ddos possible in linode
19:14<jooda>:(
19:15<kyhwana>welp, minecraft again eh
19:15<JeremyE77>Fix your DNS
19:16<JeremyE77>How many Minecraft servers do there need to be? Who is playing who? Do the servers play each other?
19:16<jooda>not minecraft
19:16<relidy>"It's not DNS. There's no way it's DNS. It was DNS."
19:16<jooda>I have my own game
19:16<jooda>Slither.io
19:16<kyhwana>relidy: ++
19:17<jooda>All my US servers are down
19:17<jooda>:(
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19:17<jooda>my domain is working fine
19:17<jooda>http://slither.io
19:17<JeremyE77>but I see the graphics are high quality.
19:18<kyhwana>jooda: that's because it's on cloudflare
19:18<millisa>slither.io appears to be working for me?
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19:18<JeremyE77>slither.io points to 104.20.24.135 . Is that correct?
19:19<dumle29>kyhwana: Steal is consistently 0
19:19<dumle29>so i guess it just needs more power than a single E5
19:19<dumle29>core
19:19<kyhwana>dumle29: yeah, so you're getting all the CPU you can with that size linode
19:20<dumle29>Trying a 4G plan
19:20<dumle29>GB
19:22<@mquatrani>jooda: we are taking care of you now :)
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19:23<JeremyE77>What a strange World. I think the game is in the server and not the game, heh
19:24<JeremyE77>very Tumpry!
19:24<JeremyE77>Trumpy :)
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19:38<JeremyE77>Is game server profitable? I think that might be a fun hobby...it's like war!
19:38<millisa>mine aren't. unless you count happiness as profit.
19:38<JeremyE77>I just want war and money :(
19:39<cruxeternus>The Military Industrial Complex has spoen
19:39<cruxeternus>spoken too
19:39<JeremyE77>I am at war with them...already
19:40<gparent>Minecraftrial Complex
19:40<JeremyE77>I hope you are too. It's bad
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19:40<cruxeternus>Milo Minecraftbinder
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20:11<FluffyFoxeh>"Nest warned customers that its internet-connected security cameras and smartphone apps were not functioning properly – as in, weren't recording video footage for several hours – as a result of the AWS blunder."
20:12<Peng>... D:
20:14<JamesTK>work is a nest competitor, had no issues :P
20:14<JeremyE77>isn't Nest ... Google?
20:15<millisa>I don't suppose anyone's seen a post mortem on that incident? amazon's usually pretty tight lipped about it
20:15<JamesTK>S3 went down which took down the majority of api's
20:15<JamesTK>But yeah, no info
20:16<Zimsky>someone was talking about that last night
20:16<Zimsky>royally cocked up a few things
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20:19<millisa>I guess they did give extra info for the 2008 event: http://status.aws.amazon.com/s3-20080720.html
20:19<Peng>Amazon's RFOs for major outages are good, IIRC.
20:20<Peng>Of course the status page might be all comical green checkmarks during the outage, but afterwards they'll write something decent.
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20:35<dzho>Peng: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/whitesnake/hereigoagain.html
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20:36<Peng>https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+ebs+outage+postmortem Here's like four good RFOs. :D
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21:02<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Refused Connection <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14602&p=72912#p72912>
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23:10<ang>ok. does the slackware 14.2 distro actually work? just deployed and it keeps just rebooting over and over
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23:12<KR>Basic question on linode resizing and pricing. If I have a linode 2GB today and resize to linode 24GB for a day and then resize back down to linode 2GB, I will only get billed for a day of linode 24GB, correct?
23:12<Peng>Correct.
23:13<KR>thank you
23:13<millisa>it probably pushes hitting the cap on the 2gb size back a day?
23:14<dwfreed>it does
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23:19<milreboot>just tried a slackware 14.2 deploy and it appeared to work fine
23:19<dwfreed>\o/
23:20<dwfreed>wait, appeared?
23:20<dwfreed>past tense?
23:20<dwfreed>:P
23:20<milreboot>it still appears fine. but it's been so long since I've touched slack that I wouldn't want to say it with any assurance
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23:28<millisa>ang: seemed to work fine
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23:30<ang>it's been 10 years since I created a new linode
23:31<ang>i've forgotten how to do it sadly. i like to set up the disks, then deploy
23:31<dwfreed>you have to deploy a distro or boot into finnix; if you just create disk images, they're empty
23:31<ang>but after i create all the disks, the deployment disk size is left at 0
23:31<ang>so by default it deploys to one big / ?
23:32<dwfreed>yes
23:32<ang>damn, i don't remember that
23:32<millisa>right there under the profiles there's a 'deploy an image' you can use to deploy a distro straight into a disk (rather than using hte 'rebuild' tab that'd wipe everything on the linode)
23:32<dnewkerk>I have a new Linode with 8 CPU cores… I noticed I’m getting regular email alerts about CPU over 90%. Should I set the threshhold for CPU email alerts in Linode Manager to a much higher value that equates to 90% of the actual CPU capacity (e.g. 720%), or is that not the correct approach?
23:33<ang>yeah, but deplay an image doesn't let me set up seperate /, /var, /tmp, /home ... so I'm confused :)
23:33<millisa>when I did it for a slack image, it created the appropriate profile under my usual centos7 profile
23:33<Peng>dnewkerk: It's a correct approach. You could also set it to slightly more than you expect to typically use.
23:33<dwfreed>dnewkerk: you should set it to whatever is considered abnormal for your workload
23:33<dwfreed>ang: do the deploy, then move those after
23:33<dwfreed>ang: they should be pretty empty anyway
23:34<dwfreed>/tmp and /home in particular; /var will just have structure mostly
23:34<dwfreed>if you don't want to boot the system before moving them, you can do it from finnix
23:34<ang>dwfreed, thanks. I totally don't remember how I did it last time it was so long ago :)
23:34<dnewkerk>Peng and dwfreed thanks that makes sense
23:34<dwfreed>don't forget to edit the fstab to match :P
23:36<millisa>good info here if you need a refresher: https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild
23:36<ang>my other linode is so old it's still xen
23:36<Ikaros>Wasn't always Xen either, mind you. :P
23:37<millisa>ten years would have been the openvz era?
23:37<dwfreed>UML
23:37<ang>when i started it was a linode 360 on uml
23:37<dwfreed>UML -> Xen -> KVM
23:37<ang>Your account has been active since September 08, 2007
23:37<millisa>i must be thinking of someone else
23:38<Peng>The Xen transition was, what, 2008? 2009?
23:38<dwfreed>before my time
23:39<ang>ok, yeah, straight deploying worked. i guess i'm too rusty :P
23:39<ang>but i was tempted to paly around with the $5 ones
23:39<arlen>dnewkerk: yup you can do that
23:40<dwfreed>arlen: too slow
23:41<millisa>when I saw my recent bill I was outraged. OUTRAGED! those $5 test boxes I spun up for an hour cost me a whole penny. they are rounding up from the $0.0075/hr I was quoted!
23:43<dwfreed>doesn't surprise me, actually
23:44<dwfreed>I'm not sure the billing system actually handles fractional cents
23:44<Peng>Needs more floating point.
23:44<millisa>it didn't seem to charge me for the backup service for one of those hours.
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23:45<ang>and it deploys to ext4 by default?
23:47<arlen>dwfreed: weird, still shows him in here for me
23:47<dwfreed>arlen: I'm saying we already answered
23:48<arlen>oh
23:48<arlen>then weird still cause I don't see anyone responding to him
23:48<dwfreed>we even hilighted him
23:48<arlen>hmm
23:49<dwfreed>http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2017/03/01#23:33 see third and fourth 23:33 line
23:50<arlen>yeah
23:50<arlen>shows in my logs too, mobile client skipped a bunch for some reason
23:50<dwfreed>heh
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23:53<arlen>http://i.imgur.com/gebfaUy.jpg
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23:53<dwfreed>arlen: picked the long lines?
23:54<arlen>huh?
23:54<millisa>arlen: it left out my comment at 23:33, too
23:54<arlen>yeah
23:54<dwfreed>arlen: I mean it picked just the long lines, perhaps
23:54<dwfreed>or possibly it just lost some things fetching scrollback
23:55<arlen>ahh yeah
23:55<dwfreed>I'm assuming you're using the weechat mobile app
23:55<arlen>oh no
23:55<arlen>mutter
23:56<arlen>probably a bug with znc playback
23:56<dwfreed>maybe znc just didn't send those lines for some reason?
23:57<arlen>probably https://github.com/jpnurmi/znc-playback/issues/3
23:58<arlen>but instead of double messages it skipped
23:58<dwfreed>unlikely
23:58<dwfreed>you're missing a several minute window of messages
23:59<arlen>true
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