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---Logopened Mon Mar 13 00:00:22 2017
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00:16<ang>dwfreed, i'm gonna go with that :)
00:20<zifnab>feature request: "sane defaults for alarms"
00:20<zifnab>10mbit/s is nothing
00:20<zifnab>(i mean, its 3TB/mo, so its something, but its really nothing)
00:23<FluffyFoxeh>problem is, the value of sanity for those values is pretty dependent on the user
00:23<dwfreed>that's exactly why they haven't changed
00:24<FluffyFoxeh>bandwidth equivalent to 3TB/mo sounds reasonable since if you're routinely exceeding that on a small plan you'll go over
00:25<FluffyFoxeh>though I set mine to 100 or something because my usage is sporadic
00:25<FluffyFoxeh>and I don't want emails every time I proxy a big file :p
00:29<zifnab>i just want sane defualts account wide :P
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00:37<FluffyFoxeh>that would be a useful and (I would think) reasonably easy to implement feature
00:39<dwfreed>that's what you think
00:40<FluffyFoxeh>being able to set values that apply to new linodes created on your account would be hard to implement?
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01:02<millisa>Isn't a single api call?
01:04<FluffyFoxeh>I was wondering about that
01:04<FluffyFoxeh>looks like it
01:05<millisa>and for the new api:
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01:32*dcraig tickles millisa around a bit with a large dartfish
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01:39<eblip>hey if i am on linode server with multiple clients and the vmware goes there a backup
01:40<eblip>also if i am on linode server and someone else gets ddossed, we are using the same lines will a backup line become available
01:40<eblip>or is there no protection whatsoever
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01:49<tharkun>eblip: There are lots of people making sure that connectivity is almost allways there. This are professional guys that make a living out of you not having to worry about that. So you extrapolate. Their choice of advertisement company sucks but then that is not relevant to their infrastructure.
01:49<eblip>cool...its just they look too good to be true
01:50<eblip>im trying to find the big catch
01:50<tharkun>define that and we can make the go for the kill question :)
01:51<tharkun>eblip: I've been a customer for quite some time now and I haven't got a problem that deserved writing a ticket.
01:51<eblip>great stuff
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01:53<arlen>linode uses kvm not vmware btw
01:53<eblip>ah ok
01:54<arlen>if someone else gets ddosed they'll nullroute the ip so others on the host dont slow
01:54<tharkun>eblip: research linode on you will find when they have screwed up and why. It is not kept secret. It is well documented and taken care of.
01:55<eblip>im reading about them now...its just that go daddy is not an option proper thieves, and digital ocean seems ok but linode seems to be cheaper
01:55<dcraig>DO used to be the cheap option in town
01:55<tharkun>eblip: linode is not the cheapest. But it does give you a run for your money.
01:56<eblip>yes i found some dirt cheap sites but they have some terror stories, plus one of them is using ARM servers home built
01:56<eblip>i dont fancy running a simple startup off a raspberrypi
01:56<millisa>arm doesn't necessarily mean cheap...
01:57<eblip>this thing they are using is about same size as a raspberry pi maybe a little bigger
01:57<tharkun>eblip: do the proper analysis of your apps and build your server around it.
01:57<eblip>i know size doesnt matter but still
01:58<dcraig>we've been running an IRC server on an ARM VPS....
01:58<dcraig>seems to be ok for that :)
01:58<eblip>im just beginning so just going to set up a mailserver and then maybe host a very simple site
01:58<eblip>that sells something
01:59<tharkun>eblip: IIRC that can be done with 384 MB and a single core.
01:59<eblip>nice, im just getting the 5 dollar package and if it gets too much ill get the 10 dollar and expand as i need
02:00<tharkun>eblip: the 5 will be more than enough. unless you have like 50 domains and a heck of lot of traffic.
02:00<dcraig>it scales right up
02:00<eblip>6 domains
02:00<eblip>not much traffic
02:00<eblip>about 2 emails per domain
02:01<eblip>if all runs well then ill add another 3 domains for friends
02:02<tharkun>eblip: 8 domains 250 users email, mailstore and 384 mb with AV and all the usual windows required stuff. and it worked like a charm
02:02<tharkun>Then the free upgrades came :)
02:03<tharkun>If your site does not require a dbms you are good with the $5 package.
02:04<eblip>either way i think ill just go for the 5 dollar option and then when its time to host just spin up 1 server per 2 domains depending on how much traffic they get
02:04<eblip>it may not be the cheapest but if it is reliable, then its far cheaper than go daddy
02:05<tharkun>1 server can handle all email and another can handle all http or whatever aditional service you might want to deliver.
02:05<tharkun>You can squeeze a lot of punch for 5usd
02:05<eblip>yes for 10 dollars a month, and if my mates come onboard, then they can pay my 5 dollars a month per server so it will be free
02:05<eblip>not bad
02:06<dcraig>is this the start of a pyramid scheme
02:08<eblip>dont could turn into one if everyone is happy
02:10<eblip>if anyone is spening 100 dollars a month on email and tiny hosting ..ill tell them straight..that i will do it at cost price
02:10<eblip>80 dollars a month
02:11<eblip>and see if i can squeeze another 10 accounts onto my 5 dollar server
02:11<tharkun>BTW I came to complain that I am a long time customer and the targeting of Google ads is as allways a disgrace to whomever hires them. Please take a deep look into it if I didn't know better I would distrust linode for all the google ads hitting my browser.
02:12<eblip>ah ok
02:13<eblip>i always worry that they send themselves or people on their servers a lot of junkmail. and push their accounts over the limit
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02:13<millisa>i don't think I've ever received a junk mail from linode in the 10 years I've been with them...
02:13<eblip>and make extra dollars that way
02:13<eblip>ah i will be running my own spam server
02:13<eblip>but good to hear millisa
02:14<tharkun>millisa: They did once do send a mail to all the admin addresses they required. They got such a nice set of rants that they never again did it.
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02:15<tharkun>BTW they did apologize for the mistake.
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02:26<rollingWolf>If feels like ive taken the crazy pill
02:26<rollingWolf>1) Ive completely forget how the INS key works and I have no longer any idea how to code properly without going crazy
02:26<rollingWolf>OR: 2) Goct/Aliens/whatever has changed everyone elses mind so that my perception of what the INS key actually does and change it to something else
02:27<millisa>It toggles between overtype and insert mode?
02:27<rollingWolf>In one of the cases yes
02:27<rollingWolf>but no, it doesnt
02:28<rollingWolf>are we .... somehow connecting here? What the probelem is ? :(
02:29<rollingWolf>Ohwell its early in the morning and should try and go back to sleep with more morphine against my fracking pain >_<
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03:36<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • permission denied (public key) <>
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05:36<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Allowing remote application to make MySQL connection <>
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05:46<kyhwana>^ nooope
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06:07<rick111>shake it all about
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09:39<cnf>i see about 40 to 45ms latency from connecting to linode resources from outside linode networks, does that sound about right?
09:39<cnf>also, the NodeBalancers add about 50ms for doing SSL termination, does that also sound about right?
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10:37<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • A question about nodebalancer limits <>
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11:28<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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12:01<cruxeternus>Do you know how disappointed I would be, if I found out Eugene didn't really have any Lindoes. :(
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12:12<Eugene>!dig aaaa
12:12<linbot>Eugene: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 3586 IN AAAA 2600:3c01::14:7116 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
12:12<Eugene>I assure you, I Linode ^
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12:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I am the new girl <>
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14:26<@nbrewer>feel free to ask your question
14:28<cnf>i see about 40 to 45ms latency from connecting to linode resources from outside linode networks, does that sound about right?
14:28<cnf>also, the NodeBalancers add about 50ms for doing SSL termination, does that also sound about right?
14:28<@nbrewer>cnf: that's going to depend on where you are in relation to the data center, and a lot of other factors
14:29<cnf>any place i have tried so far
14:29<cnf>and i'm on london
14:29<@nbrewer>and you're connecting to a Linode in our London data center?
14:29<grawity>cnf: you don't happen to have a traceroute/mtr showing this, do you?
14:29<@nbrewer>yeah, an MTR would help
14:29<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
14:32<cnf>hmm, how do i get copiable output from mtr again
14:33<@nbrewer>you should just be able to copy it from the terminal, i'm not sure how it works on windows
14:33<relidy>mtr -6 --report-wide --report-cycles 5 $HOSTNAME
14:34<cnf>hmm, mtr only gets me to about 25
14:34<cnf>anything on http is way longer
14:35<grawity>so you're including the TCP handshake as well?
14:36<cnf>yeah, i'm comparing between another linode vm, and something not on linode
14:36<cnf>that seems to add about 40 to 45ms in responde time between the 2
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14:37<cnf> is the mtr anyway
14:37<cnf>and to the nodebalancer
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14:38<cnf>so an httping to the nodebalancer from a linode vm is 2.5 to 3 ms
14:39<cnf>an httping to the same nodebalancer from outside linode is 45 to 50 ms
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14:39<@nbrewer>that doesn't seem unusual to me, linodes in the same datacenter are going to have very low response time, especially compared to something external
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14:40<cnf>sure, but it's a big difference :P
14:40<cnf>and add to that the 40 to 50 ms delay for ssl termination
14:40<cnf>and we are at 100ms minimum
14:40<@nbrewer>also, are you connected to a vpn? it looks like you're in belgium
14:41<cnf>vpn? no
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14:41<cnf>i am in belgium
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14:43<@nbrewer>i don't think there's anything unusual about the speeds you're getting, then. they seem reasonable considering the distance.
14:44<Cromulent>I'm currently getting an average ping to London of 22ms
14:44<Cromulent>normally it is about 15 - 17ms
14:45<cnf>nbrewer: and the 50ms added delay on the node balancer as well?
14:46<arlen>I see 23 in both pastes
14:46<arlen>not 50
14:46<cnf>arlen: as said, i'm talking about http loads
14:47<@mcintosh>cnf: it's hard to give you an exact amount that SSL termination might increase latency, but that number doesn't sound odd to me, no
14:47<cnf>and SSL on the node balancer adds about 40 to 50ms per request
14:48<@nbrewer>cnf: if you're terminating SSL at the nodebalancer, keepalives are disabled
14:48<cnf>nbrewer: can't use keepalive anyway
14:48<grawity>40-50 ms for TLS does sound slightly larger than usual
14:50<@nbrewer>cnf: could you try running an mtr with the --tcp flag?
14:50<cnf>nbrewer: that is with --tcp
14:51<cnf>so the main problem is that
14:51<cnf>an ab test returns 50% 93 and 100% 273 (longest request)
14:51<cnf>which is just high
14:51<cnf>and that's from a VM in london
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14:54<cnf>for example
14:54<cnf>those are not fun times :P
14:55<cnf>hmm, even http requests fluxuate wildly
14:56<cnf>maybe we should not use the NodeBalancer
14:56<@nbrewer>your speeds are going to suffer on tests like this if you're not using keepalive, but your mtrs show that this doesn't appear to be a routing issue.
14:57<@nbrewer>unless there's one between your vultr vm where you're running the tests, and your Linode
14:57<cnf>nbrewer: real life can't use keepalive anyway
14:58<cnf>every client does 1 requests, and that connection is then never used again
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15:02<@nbrewer>have you tried running mtrs in each direction from your vultr machine and your Linode? even if they're both in London it's possible there's a problem there.
15:03<cnf>well, i get the same results +- from any place i try
15:03<cnf>but i can do that
15:04<cnf> other way
15:10<cnf>hmm, i think we'll disable the NodeBalancer
15:10<cnf>it's just too slow
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18:40<arlen>!point kyhwana
18:41<linbot>arlen: Point given to kyhwana. (1)
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20:12<praetorian>!point arlen -1
20:12<linbot>praetorian: Point given to arlen. (4)
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20:12<arlen>think it's !boo
20:12<arlen>to take away
20:12<praetorian>!boo arlen
20:12<linbot>praetorian: Point taken from arlen! (3)
20:12<praetorian>!boo arlen
20:12<linbot>praetorian: Point taken from arlen! (2)
20:13<praetorian>ok had to deduct the wrong point
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20:13<arlen>!point praetorian
20:13<linbot>arlen: Point given to praetorian. (1)
20:15<HoopyCat>!point HoopyCat
20:15<linbot>HoopyCat: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
20:16<@mcintosh>HoopyCat: can't vote for yourself!
20:16<praetorian>he also has no reflection in the mirror
20:16<HoopyCat>mcintosh: it should provide a more useful response =^.^=
20:16<@mcintosh>i forgot to wrap the error for that in <title> :x
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20:17<HoopyCat>i should be in QA or something. i have a knack for finding edge cases and prying at them.
20:17<Peng>Send this man a Linode QA t-shirt
20:18<HoopyCat>still proud of the day i shut down a security checkpoint at an airport for 10 minutes without anyone noticing what was happening
20:19<dwfreed>linbot: web fetch
20:19<dwfreed>linbot: web fetch
20:19<linbot>dwfreed: Access denied.
20:19<@mcintosh>it says Access denied because you get added to the ban list if you vote for yourself heh
20:21<HoopyCat>hint: there's finite capacity on the sterile side of the x-ray belt, and if there's two people waiting for an opt-out screening, they will lose track of the second one
20:22<@mcintosh>!point mcintosh
20:22<linbot>mcintosh: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
20:22<@mcintosh>ah im already banned
20:23<@mcintosh>!point mcintosh
20:23<linbot>mcintosh: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
20:23<@mcintosh>eh, oh well
20:24<HoopyCat>why ban? no harm in just dropping it. will cut down on support time.
20:24<HoopyCat>oh btw i'm banned from the internet points plz fix
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20:43<@mcintosh>HoopyCat: try again
20:46<@mcintosh>!point mcintosh
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20:56<HoopyCat>!point mcintosh
20:56<linbot>HoopyCat: Point given to mcintosh. (4)
20:58<@mcintosh>!score dwfreed
20:58<linbot>mcintosh: dwfreeds score: 6
20:58<dwfreed>needs apostrophe
20:59<@mcintosh>it's there but linbot strips the entity
20:59<@mcintosh>(i didn't make it an entity - flask rendered it as such apparently)
20:59<HoopyCat>"the score for ${NICK} is ${SCORE}" could get around it
21:01<HoopyCat>the grammatical situations around which i have experience carefully bending are myriad
21:02<@mcintosh>!score HoopyCat
21:02<linbot>mcintosh: hoopycats score: 0
21:03<@mcintosh>!score dwfreed
21:03<linbot>mcintosh: dwfreeds score: 6
21:03<dwfreed>linbot: help score
21:03<linbot>dwfreed: (score <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1/".
21:03<@mcintosh>ah, caching
21:03<dwfreed>oh, right, not linbot's IP
21:03<Eugene>Dolla dolla bills y'all
21:04<@mcintosh>!score Eugene
21:04<linbot>mcintosh: eugene's score: 13
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23:26<crimp>mcintosh[m] Woet eNbass epochwolf
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23:27<crimp>fapestniegd Meyer_ mr-spoon
23:27<crimp>🅿🆁🅾🅱🅻🅴🅼 🆆🅸🆃🅷 🅳🆂🅻 🅼🅾🅳🅰🅼 🅰🅽🅳 / 🅾🆁 56 🅺🅷🆉 JOIN MY IRC NETWORK NIGGERS! ! ! ! ! JOIN MY IRC NETWORK IRC.MYCOOLDUDE.INFO #COOLDUDE13233 tharkun cooldude dumle29 kyhwana Ttech DrJ raj fo0bar funnel Iguil FluffyFoxeh Eliz ang zaquest csmith FastLizard4 Tol1 Sophira
23:27<crimp>deathspawn descender
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23:27*staticsafe yawns
23:27<dwfreed>mcintosh: lol
23:27<kyhwana>ops plz
23:27<millisa>'deathspawn descender'. that's the name of my new band.
23:27<dwfreed>kyhwana: too slow
23:28<AlexMax>i have a morbid curiosity as to what that irc network actually contains, but part of me reaslly doesn't want to know
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23:29<praetorian>!score HoopyCat
23:29<linbot>praetorian: hoopycat's score: 16
23:29<praetorian>also his age
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>what does 56kHz refer to?
23:35<TacoThief>Errm wrong chan
23:37<synapt>AlexMax: Fairly good chance it's not even their network
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23:40<FluffyFoxeh>My economics textbook is missing the last chapter and the index
23:40<FluffyFoxeh>I feel ripped off
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23:42<AlexMax>synapt, seems like a weird prank if so
23:42<AlexMax>"Oh man, a bunch of strangers are now on your network, how exciting"
23:43<synapt>AlexMax: generally just a way to bring a network drama. ie; Dude probably got banned from that network so now he goes around and spams about it knowing some people might go there and berate the guy for 'spamming his network'
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23:51<zifnab>IRC network had a botnet controller
23:51<zifnab>As soon as you join they scan your machine & akill you
23:52<zifnab>I was curious
23:52<zifnab>(nmap it looks like)
23:52<zifnab>I don't get it
23:57<MrPPS>unfortunately a fairly common trick
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