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---Logopened Sun Mar 19 00:00:31 2017
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00:13<jj>Hello
00:13<jj>Good night
00:13<jj>Any linode's customer support especialist online?
00:13<jj>Need help.
00:14<linbot>jj: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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00:14<dwfreed>stop that
00:15<jj>Right
00:15<jj>I sent a DMCA complaint to Linode's team
00:15<jj>Now they answered to it by taking down the infractor website
00:15<jj>But only the 'for web' site
00:16<jj>When u access that website by your phone
00:16<jj>The contents are still there
00:16<nate>Well I can certainly tell you behaviour like that would definitely make me slowly respond to your ticket if it were me
00:16<dwfreed>Linode only handles DMCA complaints via email to their abuse address
00:16<nate>lol
00:16<dwfreed>there's nothing we can do here
00:16<jj>I'm not asking help for you guys
00:17<jj>I'm asking help for a customer support especialist :)
00:17<jj>From Linode.
00:17<dwfreed>anything DMCA related needs to go through the abuse email address
00:17<jj>right
00:17<jj>thank you btw
00:17<jj>gg
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00:17<dwfreed>nate: I was this || close to /akill jj
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00:20<nate>dwfreed: Well if you wanna do some op commands, you're free to `/ns DROP nate` so I can finally have the damned thing
00:20<nate>:P
00:20<nate>silly OFTC and it's non-expiring nicks >.>
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00:20<dwfreed>nate: freenode doesn't expire nicks either :P
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00:21<nate>dwfreed: True but when you ask them to drop one after a few months they don't get an attitude with you for it :(
00:21*jchun was late to the party...
00:21<dwfreed>nate: all yours
00:22<nate>yay, I shall name my first child freed, if I ever actually have on at this point in life
00:22<nate>lol
00:22<dwfreed>lol
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00:28<nate>huh, that odd moment when I try to link nicknames and discover my original account of 9~ years apparently was never verified lol
00:28<nate>whoops
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00:28<dwfreed>nate: no, your new account for nate is not verified
00:29<dwfreed>synapt is verified by grandfathering
00:29<dwfreed>verification is a relatively recent thing
00:29<nate>dwfreed: I tried to link and it told me I couldn't because `synapt` wasn't verified o.O
00:30<dwfreed>shouldn't, both nate and synapt are verified
00:30<nate>or well sorry, that's what I -implied- because I just verified it on the website. Guess there's a delay in verifications in the website being sync'd to services on the network?
00:30<nate>hm; -NickServ- Linking failed. To link nicknames, both nate and synapt and must be verified
00:30<dwfreed>you have to reidentify
00:30<nate>Ah
00:31<dwfreed>the website modifies the database underneath services, but services caches
00:31<dwfreed>at present, only identifying refreshes the cache
00:31<nate>thar we go
00:31<nate>Gotcha, not really familiar with the services here so wasn't sure :P
00:31<nate>Thanks lol
00:41<Ikaros>:o
00:42<Ikaros>Did I just see actual things about being verified now
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00:48<arlen>Ikaros: yes, we all get a blue check mark now for our irc handles
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00:49<Ikaros>Heh...
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00:53<dwfreed>Ikaros: at present it doesn't mean very much, but soon it might
00:55<Ikaros>Just to say "hey we know this guy"
00:55<Ikaros>lol
00:55<Ikaros>But yes I'm pleased to see that.
00:56<dwfreed>verification is done by completing a reCAPTCHA on a website
00:56<dwfreed>if your account existed when we added it (for the regulars here, it did), you were grandfathered in
00:57<Ikaros>Right.
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01:23<shentino>Question: can the hosted version of GRUB 2 handle lvm?
01:24<FluffyFoxeh>why don't you try it and see
01:24<FluffyFoxeh>just make sure your grub.cfg is correct
01:24<shentino>was hoping someone already did the dirty work :P
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01:24<FluffyFoxeh>well... how is it supposed to know what your volume setup looks like? :p
01:24<FluffyFoxeh>oh I get what you're saying
01:24<shentino>That's what I was asking
01:25<shentino>Like, does the hosted version of grub know where to look?
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01:25<FluffyFoxeh>well, no... it reads the grub config in your /boot
01:26<FluffyFoxeh>or something
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01:26<shentino>Can it find /boot if it's on an LVM PV?
01:26<FluffyFoxeh>I thought there was documentation for this but I can't find it
01:27<shentino>Part of the reason I rented a linode was to practice system maintenance without using my own desktop as a guinea pig
01:27<shentino>hah, lovely
01:27<shentino>I boot and get a kernel panic
01:27<FluffyFoxeh>heh, I do that sometimes on Linodes despite having a working Qemu/KVM setup on my desktop
01:27<FluffyFoxeh>:p
01:27<FluffyFoxeh>it's just so easy to create a Linode
01:28<dwfreed>shentino: worst case you can just make the hosted grub2 load your lvm modules off your /boot disk
01:28<shentino>that would mean that /boot would have to be its own partition to avoid chicken/egg
01:28<dwfreed>yes
01:29<dwfreed>you can make a small /boot disk
01:29<shentino>ok this is weird
01:29<shentino>main dashbord says my linode is up
01:29<Ikaros>Ok, but...?
01:29<shentino>but the glish says its powered off
01:29<dwfreed>there can be a delay in updating the database
01:29<FluffyFoxeh>glish is always finnicky for me
01:29<shentino>this was right after the kernel panic
01:29<dwfreed>especially if the Linode died
01:30<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: yeah, the infinite loop is annoying
01:30<shentino>wow
01:30<dwfreed>I'd like to cluebat whoever wrote glish
01:30<shentino>infinite loop indeed
01:30<shentino>lassie keeps initiating boots
01:30<Ikaros>"cluebat"
01:30<FluffyFoxeh>haha
01:30<dwfreed>shentino: it'll stop after 5
01:30<shentino>Why is lassie perpetually rebooting?
01:31<FluffyFoxeh>does it panic every time it boots?
01:31<dwfreed>because it has no idea why your Linode keeps dying
01:31<dwfreed>all it knows is your Linode is dead
01:31<shentino>Fluffy: apparently so. I got a glimpse of a kernel panic when I used glish
01:31<FluffyFoxeh>you can disable lassie in Settings
01:31<dwfreed>^
01:31<shentino>the question is, wouldn't a kernel panic just make the linode hang instead of shut down?
01:31<dwfreed>no, panics usually end in crash()
01:32<shentino>...explain.
01:32<Ikaros>And I assume the platform automatically powers it off in that case?
01:32<shentino>is it some hypercall that the guest uses to tell the hypervisor "I'm dead"?
01:32<dwfreed>basically
01:32<FluffyFoxeh>the interaction between guests and the host regarding reboots isn't what you'd expect
01:32<FluffyFoxeh>in many cases
01:33<dwfreed>In the Xen days, I'd say "all roads lead to 'destroy'"
01:34<dwfreed>In KVM, the same idea is true, just the terminology is different
01:42<shentino>well
01:42<shentino>a hypercall is something that *doesn't* happen on real hardware
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03:42<alvil>Hi, guys. I have slow DNS lookup for my domain at linode. Could someone help me?
03:45<jiggawattz>use 8.8.8.8
03:45<jiggawattz>and 8.8.4.4
03:46<alvil>hi jiggawattz, yes I use google servers but dns lookup is over 300ms
03:46<jiggawattz>that's from your VPS ?
03:47<jiggawattz>from your VPS to 8.8.8.8/4.4 should be like < 10ms
03:48<alvil>it is nslookup from my local computer which uses 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf ... please try "time nslookup www.inzos.sk" if you can
03:50<jiggawattz>that's not an issue with linode
03:51<jiggawattz>call your ISP :P
03:52<alvil>ok, what is your result than?
03:53<jiggawattz>288 ms....... but I'm on McDonald's WIFI connecting to a VPN three countries away :P
03:54<dcraig>u gotta supersize dat wifi b
03:54<kyhwana>alvil: that's not a linode issue..
03:55<jiggawattz>dcraig: supersize is a fat american thing
03:56<dcraig>wat
03:56<jiggawattz>in Belarus, McDonalds is 1) tasty, 2) healthy, 3) 40 minute standing-in-line and 4) not fattening
03:57<alvil>kyhwana I think it is, other domains reply under 50ms
03:57<jiggawattz>what TTL did you set
03:59<kyhwana>alvil: it depends on what resolvers you use and if they have domains cached etc
03:59<alvil>default
03:59<jiggawattz>kyhwana: he's using 8.8.8.8
03:59<kyhwana>jiggawattz: 8.8.8.8 is anycast
03:59<alvil>and 8.8.8.4
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04:00<jiggawattz>yes - but they are all configured the same
04:00<jiggawattz>it's taking 150ms here to `dig A www.inzos.sk` but `dig A linode.com` is like 8 ms
04:00<jiggawattz>from 8.8.8.8
04:00<jiggawattz>is google not caching his domain ?
04:00<jiggawattz>both have Linode's NS
04:00<kyhwana>I'm seeing 24-1500ms lookups via 8.8.8.8 for their domain AND my domain
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04:01<jiggawattz>alvil: maybe try using cloudflare.com 's free DNS hosting
04:01<jiggawattz>it rocks
04:01<kyhwana>But why does this matter? users local resolvers should be caching DNS lookups
04:01<kyhwana>and it doesn't really make a difference?
04:02<jiggawattz>ehh
04:02<jiggawattz>why does anything matter
04:02<jiggawattz>why do we need information in less than .1 seconds as opposed to three hours ?
04:02<jiggawattz>I can read a newspaper
04:02<jiggawattz>google news is useless
04:02<jiggawattz>s/useless/unnecessary/
04:02<arlen>linode uses cloudflare for dns
04:03<chilly>good morning everybody, is there somebody who can help my with my question? I have 2 linode servers with CentOS 7 installed with Network manager and Firewalld. I have the external ip and internal ip. The external ip i would like to use for the webservers. The internal ip i would like to use for a Xtradb percona cluster. I would like to have the external ip connected to the firewalld zone "DMZ" with device eth0 and the internal ip connected to the firewa
04:03<jiggawattz>no they don't - `dig NS linode.com`
04:03<chilly> I would like to have the external ip connected to the firewalld zone "DMZ" with device eth0 and the internal ip connected to the firewalld zone "INTERNAL" with a eth0:0 device.
04:03<arlen>they use cloudflares vanity dns service
04:03<chilly>Without the firewalld / network manager It seems possible. Is it also possible with the firewalld and network manager?
04:03<chilly>My problem so far is that i cannot setup an extra virtual device eth0:0 which i connect to the zone 'internal'
04:03<jiggawattz>ah
04:03<chilly>Because when i setup a second connection the field "DEVICE" is empty.
04:03<arlen>jiggawattz: whois the ns ip's you'll see
04:03<chilly>Perhaps you have a link to a website with explanation which i can follow-up?
04:08<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • create 2 firewalld zone on 1 linode, 1 external, 1 internal <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14646&p=73043#p73043>
04:09<chilly>I added the question also to the forum as you can seel
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05:10<sokahost>hello?
05:10<kyhwana>mow
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05:14<sokahost>i have probelm
05:14<linbot>sokahost: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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05:31<kyhwana>guess it wasn't that big a problem
05:33<arlen>xD
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06:30<ericnoan>chilly: you really have to read about what commands to use with firewalld (or just use ip or iptables), try searching for "centos firewalld" i found lots of instructions. don't forget "man" is your best friend
06:31<ericnoan>i just realized how sexist that sounds out of context
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06:51<chilly>thank you eric
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08:06<hiren>Hello
08:06<hiren>Good Evening
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08:07<hiren>i want as hosting plan for my website.
08:07<hiren>I need approx 20GB storage
08:08<hiren>Remote Access and Autobakcup of server
08:08<hiren>can i have list of plans here?
08:08<hiren>or you can send me link
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08:13<ericnoan>what on earth
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11:09<JeremyE77>IDK guys and gals. I am starting a new (personal) project. The language doesn't matter. What you thing...Go or Python? (or something else)
11:09<JeremyE77>thing=think
11:09<Nivex>whatever you're most comfortable in
11:09<Nivex>unless you've been dying to learn one of them
11:09<JeremyE77>Eh, comfort is not a consideration...really
11:10<JeremyE77>PHP == comfort. I feel like moving away from that and see what happens.
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11:11<Nivex>Python and WSGI is probably more mature. I personally don't know what mechanisms one uses to wire a Go app up to a webserver, but I imagine there are docs out there.
11:11<Nivex>So do some baseline research on how that works and see which one speaks to you.
11:12<JeremyE77>I'm leaning toward Python too. That seals it. I am also going to need a print layout engine and python seems to have a reasonable one. Go is kind of silly (I still woulda tried it).
11:12<Nivex>or rather, I've made an assumption that it's a web project given that you're asking in here, but I could be wrong.
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11:12<@mcintosh>JeremyE77: python
11:14<JeremyE77>I guess it's time to quit thinking and start doing. I prefer the thinking part.
11:14<Nivex>It is always wise to plan before writing code
11:15<JeremyE77>It is the first GOOD idea I have had in some time :D I want to do it up right :)
11:16<JeremyE77>You guys! I am a leader!!!!! We have identified you as a leader in your field. Our targeted portal will link you with the most relevant individuals in your indtustry.
11:16<JeremyE77>w00t!
11:16<JeremyE77>Ik...it's spam
11:17<JeremyE77>At least it is complimentary
11:18<Nivex>https://xkcd.com/1181/
11:18<Nivex>I just got a piece of spam that has a "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
11:19<grawity>the FedEx one?
11:19<Nivex>grawity: yeah
11:19<Peng>Someone in another channel did, too.
11:19<grawity>smartasses
11:20<Peng>Nivex: Is it valid?
11:20<Peng>Nivex: Person in other channel said no
11:20<Nivex>Peng: nope. got an invalid packet error trying to decode it
11:20<Peng>The other person's signature wasn't valid either.
11:20<Nivex>I also base64 decoded and asked the file command what it was. It just said "data"
11:23<JeremyE77>I know this is an off channel to ask in but it is the only question I have and do not want to join another channel for it...right now. Is Pyramid a reasonable choice for Python on the web?
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11:28<JeremyE77>It seems to be pretty inclusive. I'll run with it. :D
11:40<JeremyE77> /usr/libexec/cock <- that cutoff funny :D
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13:03<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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13:16<JeremyE77>I linode'd yesterday. Today I am gonna play photgrapher.
13:18<JeremyE77>If I can get this fricking know out of my shoe. This is a good one!
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13:19<JeremyE77>Sailors woulda like that. Got it...bye.
13:22<@mcintosh>there's no know in your shoe - that's a no-no
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20:58<Dungeon>cool was sent here by someone from freenode that is off work
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20:59<Dungeon>we was working on the vps and created a sites file that is crashing my apache2 all together
21:07<nate>so check your apache error log? It's probably just bad syntax or something (which is where the reload command or conf test command usually comes in rather than doing an actual apache restart)
21:09<Zimsky>only if you identify as an apache
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21:16<millisa>apachectl -t (or I guess it might be apache2ctl -t for apache2?) would probably give you a hint
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21:19<Dungeon>AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 173.230.145.224. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message Syntax OK
21:20<Dungeon>i have a master record working for the dns
21:20<Dungeon>thats done by the server itself
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21:23<millisa>that message is just a warning that you can fix by doing what it says. what does the main apache error/access log say when you try to start the service?
21:24<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
21:24<Dungeon>[ ok ] Starting apache2 (via systemctl): apache2.service.
21:25<millisa>assuming you are on ubuntu, the log is usually in /var/log/apache2
21:25<Dungeon>debian
21:26<millisa>might still be the same log location
21:26<Dungeon>says its started now but pages dont run
21:26<millisa>do you see apache in the process list?
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21:28<Dungeon>im not seeing it
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21:29<Dungeon>web pages arent pulling up
21:29<Dungeon>lemme delete this zones thing
21:29<Dungeon>see if i can get back rollin
21:29<Dungeon>or the site
21:30<Dungeon>ok
21:30<Dungeon>its back up now
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21:31<Dungeon>Secure Connection Failed
21:31<Dungeon>An error occurred during a connection to inetpimp.com. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
21:31<Dungeon>looking to fix this and use the boxes default cert like the webmin is
21:32<Dungeon>webmin looks to be operating off a perl httpd of its own tho :p
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21:33<Dungeon>someone was saying there is a bot you can use that will link to a free place to get a free cert but said it uses resources?
21:34<millisa>that'd be letsencrypt
21:34<Dungeon>moreso then say an eggdrop?
21:34<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/install-lets-encrypt-to-create-ssl-certificates
21:34<Dungeon>thats what got me into that mess
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21:35<bdube>certbot (from letsencrypt) is not an irc bot like eggdrop, no
21:36<Dungeon>of course not
21:36<Dungeon>is it more cpu intensive then an eggdrop that idles on 1 network in a small chan?
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21:37<Dungeon>my buddy has a lowend hosting package and we need lamp functionality and to run an ultima server on it
21:38<bdube>it runs when you tell it to run, so I don't understand the comparison to an irc bot
21:38<Dungeon>aye so it doesnt have to run often?
21:38<Dungeon>figured it was a bot that was gonna connect to their network or something
21:38<Dungeon>is why i was comparing it to that
21:38<millisa>typically you'd only run the letsencrypt bot once a day and then it just checks to see if it's time to renew. more often than not it runs and is done in under a second. if it does a renewal, it takes a huge percentage increase . . like 3 seconds.
21:40<Dungeon>so you can aptitude the bot and it generates the certs?
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21:41<Dungeon>i have the default apache page showing at domain.com currently
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21:52<Dungeon>well?
21:53<millisa>Well, what?
21:55<arlen>not seeing default apache at domain.com
21:55<arlen>Find A Great DOMAIN
21:56<Dungeon>does it generate the certs?
21:56<Dungeon>and how long does it take for that?
21:57<arlen>yes https works
21:57<arlen>almost instant
21:58<Dungeon>i just had the server check itself and said it was but wasnt sending certs
21:58<Dungeon>just the webmin does that by default
21:58<arlen>weird https://domain.com works for me
21:58<Dungeon>which i guess i might need to uninstall before long
21:58<Dungeon>had it for the dns
22:00<millisa>You use certbot to tell it the domain names you want to get a cert for. It writes a file to your system that needs to be reachable from that website you are getting the cert for. certbot tells the letsencrypt servers "hey, come check out this file to prove I'm really the person that owns the site". their system comes and looks for the file, when they find it, they then issue a cert that certbot writes to your local system. that's about
22:00<millisa> it.
22:02<millisa>As for how you go about installing certbot and setting up your web server. https://certbot.eff.org/ is a good place to start with instructions.
22:02<wraeth>letsencrypt also send reminder emails to let you know a cert is due to expire, so you can rely on that rather than having some (arguably insignificantly small) process running on the system all the time
22:05<Dungeon>cool so i should just use the default by the server then
22:05<Dungeon>and have it warn everyone that it may not be who it says they are
22:05<Dungeon>until i can afford one
22:06<millisa>letsencrypt certs don't cost money?
22:06<Dungeon>so i dont have to babysit it? :)
22:06<Dungeon>no
22:06<millisa>you can afford it today?
22:06<Dungeon>nope
22:06<millisa>can't afford free? odd.
22:06<Dungeon>well if theyre going to expire often
22:06<Dungeon>how often we talkin?
22:07<millisa>they last 90 days. you setup a schedule job to run every night . or every week to renew it...
22:07<millisa>it's covered on both the linode doc and the eff.org doc linked...
22:08<staticsafe>my letsencrypt renew cron job script is 4 lines
22:08<millisa>staticsafe's is 3 more than mine...
22:09<Dungeon>i would just like to have the https answer with its own cert and have phpmyadmin unlinked from the http only
22:09<Dungeon>even if it means they have to accept a self generated
22:09<arlen>why not just use letsencrypt?
22:09<Dungeon>i can tell if anything happens because my ssh keys would change
22:09<arlen>...
22:09<Dungeon>i could but dont want to babysit it
22:10<arlen>use a cronjob
22:10<Dungeon>my buddy isnt gonna know how to do this either
22:10<Dungeon>i will struggle with it
22:10<Dungeon>this is a server hes putting an ultima shard on
22:10<arlen>then your buddy shouldn't be running a server
22:11<wraeth>even if you do it manually, i don't think running a command once every three months is really "babysitting"
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22:11<Dungeon>and to someone that will login to the client side of the game
22:11<Dungeon>not to ssh into the server
22:12<Dungeon>my domain.com is bound to it because my main server is down
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22:12<Dungeon>he will have a subdomain from my domain tied to this one for his shard
22:12<arlen>domain.com isn't down for me
22:12<Dungeon>you know what domain? :p
22:12<Dungeon>and no its not its live now
22:12<arlen>yes you typed it just before I did
22:13<arlen>22:12 Dungeon: my domain.com is bound to it because my main server is down
22:13<dwfreed>!redact
22:13<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs or logs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
22:13<Dungeon>thats an alias name
22:13<arlen>don't do that then
22:13<Dungeon>didnt give my real domain name
22:13<dwfreed>fun fact: domain names aren't private
22:13<millisa>it's just too pimping I guess
22:13<Dungeon>figured you could tell that by domain.com
22:13<arlen>if you want real help provide real info
22:14<Dungeon>thats right millisa
22:14<Dungeon>it is ;)
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22:14<Dungeon>but not trying to share it much until ive worked on it some
22:14<Dungeon>this is a new server
22:14<arlen>inetpimp.com isn't down for me either
22:14<Dungeon>well now everyone has it
22:14<arlen>unless that's another fake address you provided
22:15<Dungeon>no thats it
22:15<arlen>you have it out to everyone already
22:15<arlen>gave*
22:15<Dungeon>fineuo.inetpimp.com will be whats staying
22:15<arlen>loads for me
22:15<Dungeon>inetpimp.com will be going to a vps in new york
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22:15<Dungeon>but not the https
22:15<arlen>did you setup https?
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22:16<Dungeon>no i havent fully went over it
22:16<Dungeon>i did the lamp setup last night
22:16<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-debian-ubuntu is a good place to start
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22:18<Dungeon>a2ensite sitename
22:18<Dungeon>when i try to set that to fineuo.inetpimp.com it says it cant find it
22:18<millisa>do you have that name defined as a virtualhost somewhere?
22:18<dwfreed>it goes by the filename you have in /etc/apache2/sites-available
22:19<Dungeon>theres a default one in there
22:19<Dungeon>if i add one like the page she keeps pushing from it crashes apache
22:19<dwfreed>a2ensite is just a shortcut for 'ln -s ../sites-available/$1 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled'
22:20<Dungeon>i created just a freenode.inetpimp.com.conf file in there
22:20<Dungeon>like the default and pasted the info on the page she had
22:20<Dungeon>- the 2 cert settings and trying to change it to /home/fineuo/public_utml
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22:25<millisa>Paste the contents of your /etc/apache2/sites-available/freenode.inetpimp.com.conf file to vomitb.in and maybe we could guess why it's complaining
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22:28<Dungeon>the current page is set to that /var/www/ dir
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22:28<Dungeon>would it change after we do this?
22:29<Dungeon>gonna have to remake the file again
22:31<Dungeon>https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate
22:33<Dungeon>should i go over that first?
22:33<Dungeon>to get it working right the rest of the way?
22:34<millisa>it's the same info, using a self signed cert
22:36<Dungeon>except that way would have my default setup from the var setup like showing on domain will be on ssl
22:37<millisa>I don't think I can parse that.
22:37<Dungeon>to where if i do it linodes way i could set the site to a /home/fineuo user path?
22:37<millisa>A virtual host can used so that aaa.inetpimp.com and bbb.inetpimp.com could be setup on the same IP, same server, but have different certs, webroots, logs, etc
22:38<Dungeon>where is it set currently to the /var/www/ dir currently? you know by chance?
22:38<millisa>In which config file, you mean?
22:39<Dungeon>ya ;)
22:39<millisa>It's probably set in the main config file if you don't have any virtualhosts setup. might be /etc/apache2/apache2.conf (you can find it by changing into the /etc/apache2 dir and running: grep -r DocumentRoot * )
22:40<Dungeon>the web server can show a page from within a user dir? not created by root?
22:40<millisa>sure
22:43<Dungeon>nothing in the apache2.conf about setting is specifically to the /var/www/ dir that i saw. maybe something wasnt set and thats why it defaults there?
22:44<millisa>I don't have a debian box handy, but you should find it if you run the grep command, looking for DocumentRoot
22:44<Dungeon>aha
22:44<Dungeon>in thge sites enabled dir in that foler
22:45<Dungeon>the 000-default
22:45<Dungeon>has these 2 sets
22:45<Dungeon> ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost
22:45<Dungeon> DocumentRoot /var/www/html
22:46<Dungeon>so is that whats setting it?
22:46<millisa>if you don't have a DocumentRoot somewhere else in the config, it's likely
22:47<Dungeon>just changed it
22:47<Dungeon>do i need to restart apache2 or something?
22:47<Dungeon>just want to test it ;)
22:47<millisa>you should test your config before you reload or restart apache.
22:47<millisa>apachectl -t
22:47<Dungeon>AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 173.230.145.224. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
22:47<Dungeon>Syntax OK
22:48<millisa>if it says the syntax is ok, reload apache (or restart it)
22:49<millisa>look at that.
22:49<Dungeon>thats all it would take to change it?
22:49<Dungeon>because its not working
22:49<millisa>i saw 'fineuo's homepage'
22:49<Dungeon>still pointing to the var
22:49<Dungeon>now its working
22:49<Dungeon>ok
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22:51<Dungeon>progress finally
22:52<Dungeon>do i need to include anything in there for that ssh to work?
22:52<Dungeon> ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
22:52<Dungeon> CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined
22:53<Dungeon> ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost
22:53<Dungeon> DocumentRoot /home/fineuo/public_html
22:54<Dungeon>those are the only 4 entries in there
22:54<millisa>you'd really be better suited to create a virtualhost config now
22:54<Dungeon>and i have them upside down. server admin is the first uncommented entry
22:55<Dungeon>isnt best to have the default working then add certs to it?
22:55<Dungeon>so when they expire if they do
22:55<Dungeon>they continue to operate on the original certs
22:56<JeremyE77>Try this out :)
22:56<JeremyE77>https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/
22:57<millisa>Assuming you want to use 'fineuo.inetpimp.com'; create an /etc/apache2/sites-available/fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf file. Start it with <virtualhost *:80> and end it with </virtualhost>
22:58<millisa>between the two, put 5 lines like the bottom five in step1 of https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-debian-ubuntu
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22:58<millisa>ServerName fineuo.inetpimp.com - the other 4 lines, use the same info you just showed was in your default conf
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22:59<millisa>do your apachectl test, if it still says syntax ok, reload apache. it hopefully looks no different and is still loading a page.
23:00<millisa>sorry, after creating the file and putting the right lines in it, you'd need to do the 'a2ensite fineuo.inetpimp.com' to enable it
23:00<millisa>if you can get that working, you can get SSL working by adding another section to that file for the <virtualhost *:443> </virtualhost> that includes those SSL* lines.
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23:07<Dungeon>if self generated
23:07<Dungeon>create those in the state the server is in?
23:10<millisa>I'm not sure what you are asking. Can you ask in a different way?
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23:18<Dungeon>well going over the self generating scripts page from debian
23:19<Dungeon>it wants you to edit the default
23:19<Dungeon>like i did to change the path
23:19<Dungeon>NameVirtualHost *:443
23:19<Dungeon><VirtualHost *:443>
23:19<Dungeon>SSLEngine On
23:19<Dungeon>SSLCertificateFile /etc/ssl/localcerts/apache.pem
23:19<Dungeon>SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/ssl/localcerts/apache.key
23:19<Dungeon>i think its wanting me to ad that
23:20<Dungeon>so down below the doc right before it </virtual> i put that in there
23:21<millisa>that would setup a virtual host on 443 with whatever cert/key is in those files (assuming they exist), but it wouldn't be setting the servername, the documentroot or any log files.
23:21<Dungeon>ok because if i run the -t command it has an error
23:21<Dungeon>so i didnt restart apache
23:21<millisa>good
23:21<Dungeon>so i need to remove that from there?
23:22<Dungeon>i went over all the other steps listed in the doc besides a couple at the very bottom
23:22<Dungeon>was nearing done
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23:24<Dungeon>https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate
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23:29<Dungeon>ok its removed
23:30<Dungeon>ok
23:30<Dungeon>created file freenode.inetpimp.com.conf
23:30<Dungeon>still testing ok
23:31<millisa>and you really want it to be 'freenode'? not 'fineuo'?
23:32<Dungeon>ick lol
23:33<Dungeon> mv freenode.inetpimp.com.conf fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf
23:33<Dungeon>;)
23:34<millisa>based on what you wrote earlier, something like https://vomitb.in/mNnjNhl5IR would be the port 80 vhost config
23:36<Dungeon>just an entry for 80?
23:36<millisa>walk before you run.
23:36<Dungeon>dont it need one for 443 also?
23:36<Dungeon>ok
23:37<Dungeon>it took that
23:38<millisa>you've reloaded your config (or restarted the apache service) and verified http://fineuo.inetpimp.com is still loading in a browser?
23:38<Dungeon>nope
23:38<Dungeon>just running your -t command :p
23:38<Dungeon>i can restart apache ;)
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23:39<millisa>ok then, after you've created the file in sites-available, you need to enable it (effectively symlinking it in sites-enabled - this is a mostly debian/ubuntu thing)
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23:39<millisa>that step that looked like: 'a2ensite fineuo.inetpimp.com' - that's doing the symlink in sites-available. after you do the a2ensite, you want to do your apachectl -t
23:39<Dungeon>i think its still working
23:40<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# a2ensite fineuo.inetpimp.com
23:40<Dungeon>ERROR: Site fineuo.inetpimp.com does not exist!
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23:41<millisa>Did you create the file in sites-available or sites-enabled?
23:41<Dungeon>enabled
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23:41<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# pwd
23:42<Dungeon>the reply /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
23:42<millisa>so it will get read if you put it in sites-enabled - but the debian/ubuntu way is to put the actual file in sites-available and let a2ensite link it into sites-enabled
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23:43<millisa>i'd do it the way people expect it - move that file over to sites-available. then try your a2ensite fineuo.inetpimp.com command again.
23:44<Dungeon>lets see mv fineuo.inetpimp.com /etc/apache2/sites-available?
23:44<millisa>yes
23:45<millisa>well, mv /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/
23:45<Dungeon>ok
23:45<Dungeon>its gone
23:45<millisa>now, enable the site: a2ensite fineuo.inetpimp.com
23:46<Dungeon>that explains why i couldnt "enable" it to begin with :p
23:46<Dungeon>To activate the new configuration, you need to run:
23:46<Dungeon> service apache2 reload
23:46<Dungeon>reloaded
23:46<Dungeon>after the -t ;)
23:47<Dungeon>ok got that
23:47<millisa>look at what a2ensite did so you understand it: ls -aslht /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
23:47<millisa>see how it's pointing to the sites-available? (this is what dwfreed mentioned earlier about it just doing a symlink)
23:48<millisa>so - now go back to that original 000-default file you changed - put the document root back to /var/www/html
23:48<millisa>check you config with apachectl -t. if syntax ok, reload/restart apache again. compare hitting your ip in the browser to hitting the fineup.inetpimp.com name
23:48<Dungeon> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 Mar 19 20:46 fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf -> ../sites-available/fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf
23:48<Dungeon> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Mar 18 23:35 000-default.conf -> ../sites-available/000-default.conf
23:49<millisa>(you were just running that ls so you could see how it worked)
23:50<arlen>!point millisa
23:50<linbot>arlen: Point given to millisa. (7)
23:50<arlen>x5
23:52<Dungeon>im knowing
23:52<Dungeon>showing you ;)
23:52<Dungeon>that there was hope afterall ;)
23:53<Dungeon>just one point? ;)
23:53<millisa>someday I'll get to trade it in for the walkman.
23:53<Dungeon>give her 10
23:53<Woet>if you keep winking ;) you might ;) damage ;) your eyelids ;)
23:53<Dungeon>so can you type what else id need to add to it for the 443?
23:53<millisa>so now you have a virtualhost apache setup. hooray. now you are at step 1 in the https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-debian-ubuntu doc
23:54<Dungeon>ive got defaul machine keys created with that page already
23:54<millisa>that virtualhost *:443 example they have - you'd pretty much put that in the same fineuo.inetpimp.com.conf file you just made, right below the *:80 section. and it'd look just like it, but it'd have the 4 SSL* lines they show
23:55<millisa>it'd look something like this: https://vomitb.in/kdczdr01Rh
23:56<arlen>Woet: 😉😘😜
23:56<millisa>the actual files you use for the cert/key/cacert would depend on which cert you want to use (they could point to a pay for cert, they could point to a letsencrypt cert, or if you really wanted to use the local cert, it could point to those)
23:57<millisa>If you did step2 in that debian doc you listed (https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate), the key would be: /etc/ssl/localcerts/apache.key and the cert would be /etc/ssl/localcerts/apache.pem (and you would just comment out the cacert line)
23:59<Dungeon>seeing step one
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