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---Logopened Mon Mar 20 00:00:32 2017
00:00<Dungeon>then seeing what youre saying about the key here
00:00<Dungeon>and comment out cacert line
00:00<Dungeon>looking back at config you left last
00:01<Dungeon>looking what i got
00:01<Dungeon>then can look at something with the free perhaps in just a sec
00:02<millisa>if you end up getting a letsencrypt cert or a pay-for cert, most of them will need that SSLCACertificateFile line; you just don't need it for a self signed cert
00:02<Dungeon>need to make it so phpmyadmin doesnt listen on http anymore also
00:02<millisa>run before you rocketcycle
00:02<Dungeon>so this i would comment out for the free ones
00:02<Dungeon>SSLCACertificateFile /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
00:03<Dungeon>after i get those
00:03<millisa>for the self signed one you don't need that line. for letsencrypt (and most everyone else) you are going to need it.
00:03<Dungeon>oh ok so comment it out for a moment
00:04<Dungeon>looking to see the certs created real quick
00:05<Dungeon>ok i got /etc/ssl/certs
00:05<Dungeon>bunch of them
00:05<Dungeon>then i have these
00:05<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/ssl/localcerts# ls
00:05<Dungeon>apache.key apache.pem
00:06<millisa>so something like
00:07<millisa>er, looks like you were in /etc/ssl/localcerts - this might be more correct
00:09<Dungeon>SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/ssl/certs/apache.pem' does not exist or is empty
00:09<Dungeon>lol yup
00:10<Dungeon>noticing that with -c
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00:12<Dungeon>now i can add an exception
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00:12<millisa>or keep going. you are only a step away from getting a real letsencrypt cert now.
00:12<millisa>one that you and everyone else won't need an exception for.
00:13<Dungeon>i could use and just had to add exceptions for both
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00:14<Dungeon>i could i guess
00:14<Dungeon>hope she dont expire out on me
00:15<Dungeon>my roommate
00:15<Dungeon>which is the vps owner
00:17<Dungeon>he just got pol going on it...
00:17<Dungeon>hes finally seeing progress ;)
00:17<Dungeon>got me smiling
00:17<Dungeon>ok now what?
00:17<Dungeon>the bot? or you have to have an account with them?
00:17<millisa>you have to give them an email the first time you make a cert request.
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00:19<Peng>I think it's optional
00:20<millisa>I could swear it forced me to, but I could be wrong
00:21<Dungeon>i dont have email setup
00:21<Dungeon>wish i did
00:22<Dungeon>put webmin on it
00:22<Dungeon>to do the dns last night
00:22<millisa>it doesn't need your server to have mail - it just asks for your email address so it can send you notifications when things are about to expire.
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00:22<millisa>you can give it your yahoo address
00:23<Dungeon>it has to be a working email to get info from it huh?
00:23<Dungeon>to complete the account?
00:23<Dungeon>would use
00:23<Peng>It doesn't have to work, no.
00:23<Dungeon>i plan to have email soon enough
00:23<Dungeon>ill use that then
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00:24<Peng>Please don't write nonsense or put in someone else's email address.
00:24<millisa> (about their use of email)
00:24<Peng>But it's not validated.
00:24<Dungeon>its not nonsense
00:24<Peng>Great :)
00:24<Dungeon>its the future web address of the admin for the shard
00:25<Dungeon>its pulling from the fineuo account on apache
00:25<Dungeon>i just dont have an email server setup to get the email yet
00:25<Dungeon>i just got dns working a moment ago
00:25<Dungeon>have got to email
00:25<Dungeon>just no mail server or mx records yet
00:26<millisa>In any case, assuming you install certbot either via apt-get or using the git repo, getting your cert from them should be as easy as: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d
00:27<millisa>(there are other ways to have it integrate with apache that are more automated; I haven't used it enough to suggest whether it's worth looking at on debian - someone else may have a stronger opinion)
00:27<Dungeon>looking at the instructions now
00:28<Dungeon>thats a hell of a lot of txt
00:29<Dungeon>to apt install the bot looks easy
00:33<Dungeon>ok looks complicated but its not
00:33*zifnab slaps peng around with a potato
00:33*Peng loads potato gun
00:34<millisa>if you do the right prep, letsencrypt certs are only a few steps
00:34<Dungeon>so you put the email account into the cert bot when you install it?
00:34<millisa>when you run certbot the first time I'm pretty sure it asks.
00:35<Dungeon>ok you see the command to have it update?
00:35<Dungeon>if were gonna do this that is a must
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00:36<Dungeon>and ill hope to get server email going very quick. might be able to get it rollin with webmin
00:36<millisa>having it autorenew can be as simple as putting: /bin/certbot renew into cron
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00:38<Peng>If you installed it from the distro package, the cron job likely exists already :D
00:38<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-available# apt-get install python-certbot-apache -t jessie-backports
00:38<Dungeon>Reading package lists... Done
00:38<Dungeon>E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
00:40<millisa>you are on debian 8?
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00:42<Dungeon>and am under that section
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00:42<millisa>did you do the first part where you enable backports?
00:43<millisa>it's linked right above the apt-get line.
00:43<millisa>deb jessie-backports main followed by apt-get update ?
00:44<Dungeon>the first part is the first command i gave you
00:44<millisa>it's above that command: "First you'll have to follow the instructions here to enable the Jessie backports repo, if you have not already done so. Then do:"
00:45<millisa>the 'here' is linked
00:46<Dungeon>whats before it is the "None of the above on Debian 7 (wheezy) " section
00:46<Dungeon> i see the here
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00:51<Dungeon>lol ;)
00:51<Dungeon>apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"
00:51<Dungeon>i saw that
00:52<millisa>if you did the deb step and the apt-get update above that section, you should be able to go back to the certbot doc
00:52<Dungeon>Reading package lists... Done
00:52<Dungeon>E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
00:52<millisa>you ran this: deb jessie-backports main
00:53<millisa>sorry, you added that deb jessie-backports main to your sources.list?
00:53<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-available# deb jessie-backports main
00:53<Dungeon>-bash: deb: command not found
00:53<Dungeon>need me to apt install deb?
00:53<millisa>I apologize, I should not have said that was a command.
00:54<millisa>You are adding the "deb jessie-backports main" to your sources.list file. I believe it's at /etc/apt/sources.list ?
00:55<millisa>you are telling your debian install 'here are places you can install packages from'.
00:55<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apt# /etc/apt/sources.list
00:56<Dungeon>-bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
00:56<millisa>edit the file with your favorite text editor.
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00:56<Dungeon>ya thats what i was thinking
00:56<arlen>probably want nano
00:56<Dungeon>ill pico it
00:56<Dungeon>in the dir now
00:56<arlen>pico is dead
00:56<Dungeon>lol im old school ;)
00:56<Dungeon>rosco pico train...
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00:57<Dungeon>deb jessie main
00:57<Dungeon>deb-src jessie main
00:57<Dungeon>deb jessie/updates main
00:57<Dungeon>deb-src jessie/updates main
00:57<Dungeon>those are in there
00:58<millisa>add the deb jessie-backports main line to the end
00:58<Dungeon>and these deb jessie-updates main
00:58<Dungeon>deb-src jessie-updates main
00:58<Ikaros>Ok let's try not to paste a lot of lines in the channel at once.
00:58<Dungeon>so make an entry at the bottom?
00:58<millisa>yes, add that 'deb jessie-backports main' line to the bottom of the file after the others
00:58<Dungeon>ok and save it
00:58<millisa>yes. then do your apt-get update
00:59<millisa>and after that, try your apt-get install certbot line
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01:02<millisa>go get your cert: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d
01:03<Dungeon>need this first?
01:03<Dungeon>certbot --apache
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01:05<millisa>--apache uses the apache plugin; I haven't used it. --webroot places files in a specific dir for it to use
01:05<Dungeon>it got the cert
01:05<millisa>it ended with the 'congratulation!' bit?
01:09<Dungeon>when i run the --apache command
01:09<Dungeon>it had something for
01:09<Dungeon>fineuo wasnt listed.
01:09<Dungeon>so how do i edit that?
01:10<millisa>did you run: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d
01:10<Dungeon> certificate had names ",,,
01:10<Dungeon>i did first
01:10<Dungeon>then run the certbot --apache
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01:11<Dungeon>pulled up a window with
01:11<Dungeon>couldnt type anything in
01:11<millisa>I don't think you needed to do the second one.
01:11<Dungeon>it was the only thing in there and the only thing checked
01:11<Dungeon>ya then there is one other option
01:11<Dungeon>to update it
01:12<millisa>if the first one ended with a congratulations, it should have created cert files in /etc/letsencrypt/live/
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01:12<Dungeon>Automating renewal
01:12<Dungeon>The Certbot packages on your system come with a cron job that will renew your certificates automatically before they expire. Since Let's Encrypt certificates last for 90 days, it's highly advisable to take advantage of this feature. You can test automatic renewal for your certificates by running this command:
01:12<Dungeon>certbot renew --dry-run
01:12<millisa>do you have files in that dir (don't paste them here)
01:12<Dungeon>i havent run that command yet though
01:13<Dungeon>i was on the apache one next
01:13<Dungeon>which is after the install
01:13<Dungeon>where would it create it?
01:13<Dungeon>and ill see what it did
01:14<millisa>just run: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d
01:14<millisa>if you did it before it'll know and tell you. if you didn't , it'll go through the steps for the cert
01:16<Dungeon>i didnt renew it
01:16<Dungeon>said you only get so many in 7 days
01:16<millisa>use to paste what it said?
01:17<Dungeon>bah renewing it
01:17<Dungeon>says same thing it did when i installed it originally
01:18<Dungeon>so now do you have to update it in the sites-av file?
01:18<millisa>if you got the congratulations/success message, it should have given you the path to the cert (which unless it's different on debian, would be somethign like /etc/letsencrypt/live/ )
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01:19<Dungeon>it said. /etc/letsencrypt/live/ Your cert will expire on 2017-06-18.
01:19<millisa>look in that directory, see if there are four files - cert.pem, chain.pem, privkey.pem, fullchain.pem (don't need to paste it, just see if they are there)
01:19<Dungeon>look in which dir?
01:19<Dungeon>oh the live
01:19<Dungeon>hold up
01:19<millisa>the same location that fullchain.pem is . .there should be 3 other files.
01:20<millisa>those 3 other files are your key, cert and cacert that you'll use in your apache config.
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01:21<Dungeon>cert.pem chain.pem fullchain.pem privkey.pem
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01:22<millisa>great. so back in your apache vhost config, edit your SSL section. it'll look something like this:
01:23<millisa>check your config with apachectl -t, and if it's syntax ok, reload/restart apache. try out
01:23<millisa>er, with the url spelled right...
01:24<millisa>(remember to remove the comment # from the beginning of the SSLCACertificateFile line)
01:30<Dungeon>havent rested it
01:31<Dungeon>but just restarted it
01:31<millisa>who's got two thumbs and a legit cert
01:32<grawity>millisa: uhh except that's not what SSLCACertificateFile is for
01:32<Dungeon>its still showing on my end its not secure
01:32<linbot>This guy
01:32<grawity>you need fullchain.pem in SSLCertificateFile instead
01:32<millisa>I think you may be confused?
01:33<Dungeon>should i remove my old exception i added
01:33<Dungeon>from my self written cert?
01:33<grawity>you might be thinking of SSLCertificateChainFile, which used to work this way, but Apache keeps reminding that it's deprecated and you should just dump the entire chain in SSLCertificateFile
01:33<millisa>I think i may be confused?
01:33<dwfreed>SSLCACertificateFile is for client certificate auth
01:33<grawity>meanwhile SSL*CA*CertificateFile is only for verifying client auth certs
01:33<millisa>I'm glad someone was watching
01:34<arlen>the watchers are watching
01:34<Dungeon>someones peekin ;)
01:34*FluffyFoxeh lurks
01:34<dwfreed>arlen: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
01:34<Dungeon>so you know what theyre talkin about then?
01:34<Dungeon>and do i need to remove the old exception i created in my browser
01:35<Dungeon>probably the one i added after the self written keys
01:35<millisa>comment that sslcacertificatefile line back out, change the sslcertificatefile line to use 'fullchain.pem' instead of 'cert.pem'
01:35<Dungeon>pulling up my pico again
01:36<grawity>(most other programs already use 'fullchain' files, so Apache started doing the same in 2.4)
01:36<Dungeon>can you vomit it again pls
01:37<Dungeon>after removing the exception i added. it says secure :)
01:37<millisa>this would be it fixed to use the fullchain.pem:
01:38<Dungeon>alright checking
01:39<millisa>who's got 2 thumbs and some toes and has a legit cert for real
01:40<Dungeon>now that command
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01:40<Dungeon>[00:14] <millisa> just run: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d
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01:41<Dungeon>has to be run once every so often to renew the certs
01:41<millisa>that was getting the cert and telling it 'put the files in this webroot for us to use to validate you own the domain'. you don't use it for renewal
01:41<Dungeon>and unless i or someone breaks the cert it should be good
01:41<millisa>if you wanted to add some more names to the same cert, you might do: certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d -d -d -d
01:42<millisa>To renew a cert you've already been issues, you just run: certbot renew
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01:42<millisa>you can do a dry run with: certbot renew --dry-run
01:42<millisa>if you run 'certbot renew' right now, it's just going to say something about the cert being nowhere near expiration and isn't going to do anything. --dry-run simulates what it's like when it's a few weeks from expiration
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01:44<Dungeon>Congratulations, all renewals succeeded. The following certs have been renewed:
01:44<millisa>i'm assuming that was on a dry run
01:44<Dungeon>so he has to run that once every 90 days was it?
01:44<millisa>I run it nightly. you could feasibly run it weekly
01:45<millisa>it doesn't renew unless it needs to
01:45<millisa>Ian_: hi
01:45<Ian_>I'm in China mainland
01:45<Ian_>I want to know how to choose the host in Japan
01:46<Ian_>and I want to try for one week
01:46<millisa>Dungeon: peng was saying that some of the distributions already have a cron created - I don't know if debian is one of those or not
01:46<grawity>depends on version
01:46<dwfreed>ls -l /etc/cron.* to check :)
01:46<grawity>either their official packages automate this via cron or via systemd.timers
01:48<millisa>Ian_: You pick the datacenter for your linode when you spin it up ( - there is a drop down at the bottom for 'Location'. As for trying it - linode's are billed by the hour.
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01:54<arlen>dwfreed: who's gonna monitor the monitors of the monitors?
01:55<millisa>!point grawity
01:55<linbot>millisa: Point given to grawity. (1)
01:56<dwfreed>!point grawity
01:56<linbot>dwfreed: Point given to grawity. (2)
01:56<arlen>!point MillerBoss
01:56<linbot>arlen: Point given to millerboss. (1)
01:56<arlen>!point millisa
01:56<linbot>arlen: Point given to millisa. (8)
02:02<Ian_>thank you very much
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02:15<Dungeon>total 64
02:15<Dungeon>first line /etc/cron.daily:
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02:15<Dungeon>what am i looking for in the list?
02:16<Dungeon> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 484 Jan 19 20:07 certbot
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02:16<dwfreed>that's it
02:17<Dungeon>good so its crond and should have to worry about it
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02:17<dwfreed>in theory, yes; in practice, you should set a calendar item for about 85 days from now to check it anyway
02:17<Dungeon>but what would be a command i could give him to run once a week
02:18<Dungeon>tell him he has to run it ;)
02:18<Dungeon>for having free certs ;)\
02:18<Dungeon>-1 point to dungeon? ;)
02:18<millisa>running 'certbot renew' should be enough to renew it if it needs it.
02:18<Dungeon>ill msg it to him, because i told him it would be something he would have to run
02:19<millisa>'siri remind me on june 15th to check the cert'
02:19<Dungeon>teach him good admin practices and make sure it stays run also ;)
02:19<millisa>'ok. i will remind you on june 15th to chick the serbs'
02:24<Dungeon>!point millisa
02:24<linbot>Dungeon: Point given to millisa. (9)
02:25<Dungeon>!point dwfreed
02:25<linbot>Dungeon: Point given to dwfreed. (8)
02:25<millisa>249,991 points to go
02:25<Dungeon>!point grawity
02:25<linbot>Dungeon: Point given to grawity. (3)
02:25<Dungeon>alrighty then
02:26<Dungeon>its a verified server and his ~vipre page is showing as certified by the free cert group
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02:34<Dungeon>bad thing is it dont work in the
02:34<Dungeon>and think thats because we now have 3 files in the dir
02:34<millisa>so, if you want to add more names onto a letsencrypt cert - you just add more -d domain.tld's to that original certbot command
02:34<Dungeon>000-default.conf default-ssl.conf
02:34<millisa>certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d -d
02:34<Dungeon>looking at default ssl.conf now. it shower up from somewheres :)
02:35<Dungeon>i was gonna move the soon
02:35<Dungeon>so didnt make a reverse entry for it
02:35<Dungeon>just the freenode
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02:37<Dungeon>its kicking document root to /var dir
02:37<Dungeon>how do i paste the contents of this file into something?
02:37<Dungeon>for you to see?
02:38<millisa> is fine
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02:43<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Suddenly can't connect to SMTP <>
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02:44<Dungeon>is whats in the file
02:44<Dungeon>i know at least the doc root should be set to the /home/fineuo/public_html
02:44<Dungeon>or think it should be
02:45<millisa>do you just want to bring up the same stuff as ? if so, you can just add a ServerAlias to that vhost file you created
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02:46<Dungeon>ok how we do that?
02:46<millisa>if you want it to be its own unique site with a different document root - I'd argue that you should just use another vhost file
02:46<Dungeon>i could i guess
02:46<millisa>In your vhost file - see the lines that say 'ServerName'?
02:46<Dungeon>just not sure how long its gonna take to get mine up and running
02:47<millisa>(there's one in the 80 config, and one in the 443 vhost section)
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02:47<Dungeon>in the file i just showed you?
02:47<millisa>no, in your file you worked on earlier in the evening.
02:47<Dungeon> o ok the one for fineuo
02:47<Dungeon>lemme look
02:48<millisa>the /etc/apache2/sites-available/fineuo-yaddayadda.conf file
02:48<Dungeon>ya i see it
02:49<Dungeon>the line that contains servername
02:49<millisa>add a line below each of the ServerName lines that reads: ServerAlias
02:49<millisa>you can have multiple ServerAlias lines if you needed to have it answer on other names (ex. ServerAlias
02:50<Dungeon>ok then if i put up and create a .conf for it later
02:50<Dungeon>can it be done on the same ip?
02:50<Dungeon>as the freenode?
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02:51<Dungeon>and create it a file like the one for fineuo but modified for it of course
02:51<millisa>yes, and with what you've created it's easy - make a copy of your - comment out the ServerAlias lines with www.inetpimp and, and just update the new conf file to use that as the servername
02:51<millisa>then you just a2ensite or a2ensite (depending on what you called the file)
02:52<millisa>then that other vhost could have it's own webroot, it's own logs, etc
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02:54<Dungeon> ServerName
02:54<Dungeon> ServerAlias
02:54<Dungeon> ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
02:54<Dungeon>then i wrote it out
02:54<Dungeon>checked it -t and then restarted it
02:55<Dungeon>still saying bad cert domain name
02:55<millisa>you need to tell the cert which names it's valid for
02:55<millisa>certbot certonly --webroot -w /home/fineuo/public_html -d -d
02:55<millisa>it'll notice you already have that cert but are adding another name to it and ask if that's what you intended
02:57<Dungeon>ok it asked if i wanted to expand it
02:57<Dungeon>i said expand
02:57<Dungeon>restart apache again?
02:58<millisa>it should have put the certs in the same place, so yep
02:58<Dungeon>cool now its working
02:59<Dungeon>probably shouldve created it its own dir not knowing how long it will take
03:00<millisa>When you expanded the cert, this is what you did:
03:00<millisa>you added on a subject alternative name
03:01<Dungeon>do you know how i can get phpmyadmin to stop responding on regular http?
03:01<millisa>if you get around to breaking the sites up into their own webroots, you'll either need to get separate certs or you'll want to do some symlink tricks to make the directory that LE uses to checks things the same (or you can use one of the other apache modules that doesnt use the file based validation)
03:01<Dungeon>and only work on the ssh?
03:02<millisa>there's a directive that is 'ForceSSL' i think?
03:03<Dungeon>where do i go to see?
03:04<millisa>get your favorite text edit our and edit that
03:04<millisa>er, your favorite text editor out . . .
03:05<millisa>And I believe I am out of steam. ssae auditors doing their onsite in 6 hours, so I probably should sleep some.
03:06<millisa>I sense your jealousy
03:06<Dungeon>ok ive got the file pulled up
03:07<Dungeon>and see it says add under the servers config
03:07<Dungeon>as in after it says * End of servers configuration
03:07<Dungeon> */
03:07<Dungeon>or right under the line
03:08<Dungeon> * Server(s) configuration
03:08<Dungeon> */
03:08<Dungeon>$i = 0;
03:09<Dungeon>.// The $cfg['Servers'] array starts with $cfg['Servers'][1]. Do not use $cfg['Servers'][0].
03:09<Dungeon>.// You can disable a server config entry by setting host to ''.
03:10<Dungeon>the is in there right below where it said to put it
03:10<Dungeon>either there or at the bottom
03:10<millisa>just put the forcessl line before the last ?> and you'll probably be fine.
03:11<millisa>the $cfg['Servers']... section is for configuring mysql servers you want to connect to (phpmyadmin on one host can manage multiple mysql servers; that section is where you'd list them and their connection info - your forcessl would be past that and apply to all of them)
03:11<Dungeon>i bet there are 2 cfgs down there
03:11<Dungeon>i shall put it right after those
03:11<millisa>the server config section used to end with a /* End of Servers */ line or something similar. just below that.
03:11<Dungeon>or before
03:12<millisa>(it really doesn't matter where in the file it goes; just don't put it in a commented out section*
03:13<millisa>as long as it isn't a commented out block, and inside the <?PHP and ?> tags that is
03:13<Dungeon>good you call and it kicks you to https
03:14<Dungeon>wishing i wouldve worked more with you on bind instead of installing webmin now ;)
03:15<Dungeon>thought about firewalling it but that would make it hard for stuff to communicate without having port in the firewall
03:16<Dungeon>like an eggdrop per say
03:16<Dungeon>!point millisa
03:16<linbot>Dungeon: Point given to millisa. (10)
03:16<Dungeon>good job on the phpmyadmin ;)
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03:16<millisa>in any case, i'm out. good luck
03:16<Dungeon>hey one more question
03:16<millisa>make it quick. ambien is calling
03:17<Dungeon>are you married? ;)
03:17<Dungeon>and gnight
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03:17<millisa>syntax error. night.
03:17<Dungeon>command misunderstood
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03:30<FluffyFoxeh>oh dear
03:30<FluffyFoxeh>!point millisa
03:30<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Point given to millisa. (11)
03:30<Dungeon>cool reverse is kicking in
03:31<FluffyFoxeh>I made my own "certificate authority" the other day :p
03:32<FluffyFoxeh>got rid of my expired Comodo certs
03:32<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc/apache2/sites-available# apachectl -t
03:32<Dungeon>AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
03:33<Dungeon>think you did that in the resolve.conf?
03:33<Dungeon>think you did that in the resolv.conf?
03:34<FluffyFoxeh>no, resolv.conf is for specifying nameservers
03:34<FluffyFoxeh>I am not certain how one is supposed to set the FQDN in there though
03:34<FluffyFoxeh>I've seen it done in different ways
03:35<Dungeon>sorry the hosts i means
03:35<Dungeon> FineUO
03:35<Dungeon>should i make the
03:35<FluffyFoxeh>if that is the correct domain name, then yes
03:36<Dungeon>well its and lately
03:36<Dungeon>until i get a new home for inetpimp
03:38<FluffyFoxeh> FineUO
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03:40<Dungeon>these are my first 2 lines
03:40<Dungeon> localhost
03:40<Dungeon> derbian
03:41<Dungeon>replace the first with this one?
03:41<Dungeon> localhost.localdomain localhost
03:41<FluffyFoxeh>no, I don't think that's necessary
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03:42<Dungeon>good now that command isnt shooting that it dont know its name :)
03:42<Dungeon>root@fineuo:/etc# apachectl -t
03:42<Dungeon>Syntax OK
03:43<Dungeon>!point FluffyFoxeh
03:43<linbot>Dungeon: Point given to fluffyfoxeh. (2)
03:43<FluffyFoxeh>yay :p
03:43<Dungeon>used to have really nice hosts files on mine in the past
03:43<Dungeon>wish i still had mine
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03:44<Dungeon>how do you have it echo the fully qualified domain name
03:44<Dungeon>do you remember the commmand without me having to google it? :)
03:44<FluffyFoxeh>hostname -f
03:44<Dungeon>there we go
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03:47<FluffyFoxeh>sleep time, good night
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03:55<Dungeon>i need to crash
03:55<Dungeon>im wondering if that phpmyadmin is good and secure now
03:56<Cromulent>I'd just use MySQL Workbench over an SSH tunnel
03:56<Dungeon>well thats for others people to use
03:56<Dungeon>that have an account on that box
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04:02<Dungeon>the isnt using the cert
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04:10<arlen>did you tell webmin to use it?
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04:14<Dungeon>so will i want to setup a sendmail email server or a postfix mail server?
04:16<Dungeon>and arlen no its running the default install
04:17<Dungeon>looks like it runs on a perl html client
04:17<Dungeon>it was active while apache was down
04:20<arlen>well how do you expect it to use a cert you haven't told it about?
04:20<Dungeon>im gonna lay down
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04:53<SNy>Dungeon: You might want to restrict phpmyadmin to localhost access and tunnel it over ssh, if you want to use it.
04:53<dwfreed>^ this * 9001
04:53<SNy>(Yeah, I know, backlog and all, that part of the discussion happened hours ago.)
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05:13<Ian_>node balancer specs ?
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05:18<dwfreed>Ian_: they handle 10,000 concurrent connections; they can do TCP, HTTP, and SSL termination
05:19<dwfreed>if you expect to have more than 10,000 concurrent connections, you can purchase multiple and use something like a DNS round robin to distribute load between them
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09:47<Kniaz>hi. anyone here using mtputty? I wonder if there is a way to get clickable urls in mtputty?
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10:06<Mushegh>Hello, I wonder do you have Django support?
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10:07<dwfreed>Mushegh: Linode is a VPS provider; you get a server on which you can run pretty much whatever you want, including Django
10:08<Mushegh>Thank you for your reply. So it does not come with Django preinstalled?
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10:08<Mushegh>I have to do it myself?
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10:09<@nbrewer>Mushegh: yes, that's correct.
10:10<linbot>Please remember that Linode is chiefly an unmanaged hosting platform(there is a Managed service available for extra charge). This IRC chat is primarily filled with volunteers from the community, and while we do our best to provide help and guidance, we are not always able to assist with your questions.
10:10<dwfreed>well, that's not that helpful
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10:52<Cr>Hello. Does linode work with crimean?
10:53<dwfreed>what is crimean?
10:54<Cr>Peoples, that live in Crimea
10:54<@mcintosh>Cr: We cannot - I am sorry
10:56<Cr>Even if I register by other russian or ukrainian address? You will ask to approve address?
10:57<@mcintosh>it depends - some accounts are manually reviewed - it is possible we might notice during such a review
10:59<Cr>And what data you need?
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11:00<@mcintosh>Cr: the signup completion form looks like this ->
11:02<Cr>Did you accept virtual VISA cards like QIWI?
11:03<@mcintosh>they generally work, yes
11:05<Cr>When you manually review account, what data you need? Like documents?
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11:08<dwfreed>photo id and an image of the card; for virtual cards, you can take a screenshot of the card generation page showing the card details
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11:09<Cr>Thank you
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12:05<csnxs>I was looking at one of the linodes' dashboard and randomly a boot job appeared
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12:47<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Plesk Onyx set Reverse DNS <> || General Discussion • do-release-upgrade 14.04-16.04 fails with 404 errors <>
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14:49<JeremyE77>I wonder, do y'all have bash support?
14:49<JeremyE77>or do I HAVE to use fish?
14:50<@mquatrani>You have full root access to your instance, so you can use any shell that you like :)
14:50<JeremyE77>YAY! Stupid fish
14:50<arlen>go fish
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14:54<JeremyE77>I do like this theory though! Every configuration option in a program is a place where the program is too stupid to figure out for itself what the user really wants
14:54<JeremyE77>That is close to one of my long time philosophies :D
14:57<marshmn>oh-my-zsh is the way to go!!
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15:48<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Longview Apache problems <>
15:50<JeremyE77>just install cockpit! Longview is a bastard
15:50<Eugene>I'm disappointed to see that longview-release.rpm is still not a thing.
15:50<Eugene>Its not hard, guys
15:51<Eugene>Cockpit looks interesting. Is it any good?
15:52<Eugene>Oh it requires NetworkManager. THere's the end of my caring
15:52<JeremyE77>It is pretty reasonable...if you use networkmanager...I guess
15:53<JeremyE77>one control server talks to the other guys
15:53<Eugene>There's no sane reason in the world that my fileserver should need wpa_supplicant
15:53<JeremyE77>I cant argue that.and wont
15:54<JeremyE77>Though, I direct disk boot and do not have that :)
15:54<@nbrewer>!point Eugene
15:54<linbot>nbrewer: Point given to eugene. (16)
15:54<JeremyE77>Dang it, I solve the problem and he gets the point :D
15:55<Eugene>!lick JeremyE77
15:55<linbot>Eugene: Access denied.
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>NetworkManager should never be a hard dependency
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>for anything, unless it's something that extends Network
15:55<@nbrewer>I just really don't care for NetworkManager
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>NetworkManager *
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>It has a place on desktops. on servers it makes no sense
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15:56<JeremyE77>y'all are probably right. I dont know if it would work if you removed the network management plugin. I assume it only exists because cockpit lets you change network settings. I like it. I am not going to convicne anyone though :)
15:56<@nbrewer>yeah I have no problem with it on a laptop, it's actually pretty nice.
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15:56<Eugene>The counter-argument to that goes something like "but your desktop and your servers should be running the same software stack", which is how we ended up with GNU/systemd
15:56<@nbrewer>it just doesn't have any place on a server imo
15:57<Eugene>I think its all a bunch of crap and want to burn it all down
15:57<Nivex>you mean LennartOS?
15:57<Eugene> ?
15:57<csnxs>nm is okay on desktop/laptops when it actually works
15:58<FluffyFoxeh>Eugene: which is probably rooted in the same thinking that leads to "your phone and your desktop should have the same UI"
15:58<Nivex>We could lock Linus and Lennart in a room and sell tickets. It would be the ultimate "Who can be the biggest asshole?" contest
15:58<csnxs>aka - if your distro includes it, don't touch the config, if it doesn't don't use it
15:58<@mcintosh>!point JeremyE77
15:58<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to jeremye77. (1)
15:58<Eugene>FluffyFoxeh - remember ubuntu phone? Me neither.
15:58<@mcintosh>much better
15:58<JeremyE77>I have a point :D
15:59<JeremyE77>That is better than my whole basketball career
16:00<FluffyFoxeh>relidy: yeah I guess I'm remembering the days when my desktop had a WiFi card
16:01*relidy shudders
16:01<csnxs>oh god
16:01<csnxs>discord died
16:02<csnxs>i am dead now
16:02<csnxs>oh it's back
16:02<FluffyFoxeh>oh. shame
16:02<csnxs>oh it's gone again
16:02<csnxs>and back
16:03<@jfred>Eugene: I have an ubuntu phone :(
16:04*jfred also likes NetworkManager
16:05<Eugene>Burn the witch
16:05<FluffyFoxeh>I like ifupdown
16:05<JeremyE77>Im a fan of systemD too. So there is that
16:05<csnxs>I like just manually sending the data myself
16:06<csnxs>JeremyE77, well I'm a fan of the much better systemd
16:06<FluffyFoxeh>I'm not a fan of journald
16:07<Eugene>I like unit files. Everything else that I've encountered consciously has been met with revulsion and horror
16:07<csnxs>reddit died too
16:07<csnxs>OH GOD
16:08<Eugene>Is it AWS again?
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>maybe it's buttflare
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>reddit and discord both use that
16:08<Eugene>Downdetector isn't responding either, heh
16:09<FluffyFoxeh>"Hardwared" lmao
16:10<csnxs>"KMSd", is that how you do euthanasia with systemd?
16:11<csnxs>brb doing linuxy things
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>linuxy thingsd*
16:17<zifnab>so someone's fucked?
16:18<zifnab>Eugene: can confirm, AWS is fine.
16:18<zifnab>i *may* have set up buckets everywhere to monitor at work
16:19<Peng>Looks like users from multiple networks just got disconnected on Freenode.
16:19<Peng>Some sort of regional Internet congestion?
16:19<zifnab>"Would you be interested in contract or contract to hire"
16:19<Eugene>I am interested in pork
16:19<zifnab>"Sooo, give up all the perks of being an SDE? Sure! That sounds great"
16:19<zifnab>fucking recruiter scum
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16:23<zifnab> <-- are any of these ever valid
16:23<zifnab>i want a grid
16:31<Ikaros>Heh. Nothing down from my perspective. I must have excellent routing.
16:33<JeremyE77>zifnab: I like the spam! It always tell me I am the best in my field!
16:33<zifnab>freenode is netsplitting
16:33<JeremyE77>(I don't even have a field)
16:33<zifnab>irccloud is timing out on history lookup
16:33<zifnab>JeremyE77: i had responded to this guy already.
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16:38<JeremyE77>You are the best in your field! What do you expect? Buy my online video series!
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16:45<JeremyE77>I wish my bluetooth headphones changed the voice once in a while. It is starting to feel Pavlovian when I turn them on.
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16:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode vs other cloud <>
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17:00<JeremyE77>Isn't Amazon basically just expensive shared hosting (a la MediaTemple) at this point? or do I not understand what they are doing?
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17:04<JeremyE77>NM. Mediatemple sells Amazon :P
17:05<JeremyE77>The whole world is on two providers. :(
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17:36<Peng>Amazon EC2 is a VPS service. More or less.
17:36<Nivex>and they have Lightsail now
17:36<Peng>I forgot about that!
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18:01<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
18:01<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 91.4F/33C, visibility 10 miles, wind 25.32 mph, chill 98.12F (altimeter: 29.97) [KDFW 202153Z 18022G26KT 10SM CLR 33/09 A2997 RMK AO2 PK WND 19027/2117 SLP140]
18:01<Ikaros>What a day for the AC system at my apartment to still not be on.
18:03<relidy>Not quite that hot here, yet, but darn close.
18:03<relidy>!wx kggg
18:03<linbot>relidy: [metar] OBS at KGGG: 86.0F/30C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph, chill 90.77F (altimeter: 30.03) [KGGG 202153Z 20014KT 10SM CLR 30/13 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP163 T03000128]
18:04<Ikaros>Yeah when your indoor thermometer reads 89...that's screwed up. :/
18:04<Ikaros>Not even sure if I should be operating my PC in this
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18:05<relidy>Ugh, sorry to hear that. We've had days like that and it is absolutely not fun.
18:06<Ikaros>Though I'm sure the PC will be just fine.
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18:07<Ikaros>Not like I'm operating a server, just a home PC that usually sits idle most of the time.
18:12<JeremyE77>It servers personal data to Trump!!
18:16<Ikaros>I hate the dude, lol
18:16<Ikaros>And I mean long before he got where he is now.
18:16<millisa>i dislike some of my customers, too
18:17<Ikaros>Besides, not like I could run a server even if I wanted.
18:23<arlen>why's that?
18:25<Ikaros>ISP shit
18:25<Ikaros>Not like they even check or care...but if it's in ToS, I ain't doing it.
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18:27<Ikaros>If it weren't for that it'd not be a big deal, I could easily host a decent site with my upstream.
18:31<arlen>same deal with mine
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18:32<millisa>those terms of service really need to go away or be challenged and shot down in court.
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18:33<millisa>it'd be like the phone company selling me a landline and telling me I can't take inbound calls on it if they pertain to business.
18:35<Ikaros>You know what's funny though..
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18:37<Ikaros>You know how most residential ISPs netblocks are usually in Spamhaus' policy block list
18:37<Ikaros>I'm in a netblock that has no such restriction.
18:37<Ikaros>As usually is the case for static business customers
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18:43<arlen>i still run a server here, just dont allow outside access except from one ip
18:48<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • U2F Security Key Support <>
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19:50<Eugene>The Linode bus is coming
19:55<arlen>beep beep
20:09<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • U2F Security Key Support <>
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21:34<ngosihao1986_gm>please check Forgot username | Reset password |
21:34<millisa>what about them?
21:35<ngosihao1986_gm>i don't Receive email
21:35<ngosihao1986_gm>my email
21:35<millisa>did you check your junk mail?
21:36<millisa>if you are sure you are using the right email address, you'll likely need to mail their official support
21:36<ngosihao1986_gm>i check all
21:36<ngosihao1986_gm>jump mail and spam
21:36<ngosihao1986_gm>i emailed
21:39<arlen>they'll respond shortly
21:39<arlen>could also call if you'd like
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22:10<deorwine>I made my second linode and am following instructions to log in. It times out
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22:11<millisa>did you boot it?
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22:15<millisa>can you open the lish console and get to it that way?
22:17<deorwine>then is there something I can do so I can login from home on console?
22:17<JeremyE77>What is the ip?
22:17<deorwine>and I did just login to my first linode at same data centre a few minutes after I couldn't login to the second
22:18<JeremyE77>seems fine
22:18<millisa>it shows ssh open (and port 37 and 113?) . . .what happens when you try to ssh?
22:18<JeremyE77>he authenticity of host ' (' can't be established. BLAH BLAH BLAH
22:18<deorwine>worked this time
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22:20<deorwine>great; thanks
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22:33<FluffyFoxeh>Has anyone been getting weird web requests from user agent "node-fetch/1.0 (+"?
22:34<FluffyFoxeh>in the last week or so
22:34<FluffyFoxeh>I noticed in my logs various EC2 IP addresses requesting URLs that they couldn't possibly know about
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22:47<max>Hi, I wanna know do you have any cpannel or any alternative pannel add-on?
22:47<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
22:48<millisa>You get root access to a vps, so you could run whatever panel you'd like
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22:48<max>Okay, I already bought 3 vps on linode, So should I install on theme one by one? is there an integated method to manager all my vps in one place
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22:49<max>wow, your live service just looks like a chatroom
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22:50<millisa>this is an irc channel; it's a community room, not an official service?
22:51<FluffyFoxeh>that's because it is a chat room
22:51<FluffyFoxeh>Linode staff are opped but this is a public community chat
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22:54<arlen>guess he didn't want to chat
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22:58<deorwine>can I rename linodes?
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22:58<balaji>how can i install wordpress in Linode, is there CPanel or ?
23:00<millisa>deorwine: the label that is used in the manager can be changed on the linode's settings tab
23:01<millisa>if you are talking about the hostname, you can do that:
23:01<millisa>balaji there are guides for those here
23:04<JeremyE77>Use fast :D
23:04<JeremyE77>(compared to Wordpress)
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23:05<JeremyE77>then make it faster. Your SEO guy wont know what to do!
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23:07<JeremyE77>The 7 version works for 8 ... if anyone cares
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23:15<JeremyE77>Here is one. Don't hack it or anything its still in dev :P!/dIIQUR/
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23:31<arlen>yay glibc update
23:31<dwfreed>those are the best
23:31<dwfreed>you never know if your system will come back
23:31<JeremyE77>but it makes many promises!
23:33<JeremyE77>first things first, yo!
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23:34<deorwine>I had just set up a Linode for to try a project, tried some stuff, now am not using it anymore and want to close it. Is there a way I can see what I was billed for it?
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23:35<JeremyE77>ummm, the account tab.
23:35<deorwine>it's my second Linode though
23:35<JeremyE77>try it
23:35<deorwine>so I wanted to see it not added up with the first
23:35<deorwine>oh, ok
23:35<dwfreed>just subtract the number of hours since the start of the month * the cost of the first linode per hour
23:36<deorwine>it's the smallest Linode, sand just set up in the last couple hours, so I guess it's a very small price anyway
23:36<JeremyE77>I coulda swore it was broken down
23:36<deorwine>last couple/several hours
23:36<deorwine>I guess I don't need to bother even doing the calculation then
23:37<dwfreed>look at your event emails, that'll give you exact times of creation and deletion
23:37<deorwine>oh yeah
23:37<JeremyE77>oh, it is broken down on the invoice not on the account page. Sorry I didn't intend to mislead/
23:37<deorwine>I haven't found where to delete it yet
23:38<deorwine>oh, main page
23:38<JeremyE77>the lindoes tab list them all and all the way on the right there is a remove
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23:49<Dungeon>hey guys
23:49*Dungeon is peekin in
23:49*Dungeon watches all the admin run
23:49<Dungeon>:) hows everyone doing tonight?
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