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00:20<trigger>Im having issues resetting my root pass - any way to have someone just 'do it' or what am i supposed to do .. i never changed my pass it just doesent work now lel
00:22<retro|blah>trigger: So you say you're having issues resetting your root pass. What issues? You go on to say "it just doesent work now" but I do not see what "it" is referring to.
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00:23<trigger>i looked up how to reset the pass so i shut my system down, then went to the drives and went to rescue and reset passord but it fails with /etc/passwd not found -- i tried all 4 slices and they all failed
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00:24<retro|blah>What are the mountpoints for all four disks?
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00:27<trigger>what do you mean / where can i check: when i go to the rescue tab it just lists /dev/sda+ etc not the points
00:27<trigger>i tried all 4 slices and they all failed tho
00:28<retro|blah>What procedure did you use when you tried each "slice"?
00:29<trigger>clicked on it then went to rescue then to resetpassword at bottom
00:30<trigger>it entered the process but they all 'FAIL' with a red tag
00:31<retro|blah>And EACH time, it says /etc/passwd not found.
00:31<retro|blah>Is that what you're telling me?
00:31<trigger>exactly
00:32<retro|blah>OK. Can you reboot to rescue mode?
00:33<trigger>yeah that wont delete anything will it ?
00:33<dwfreed>no
00:33<trigger>k its up in rescue
00:34<trigger>is there a default 'admin' pass or something
00:34<retro|blah>What does "ls /media" say?
00:34<retro|blah>!p
00:34<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
00:34<trigger>hm
00:34<trigger>connection refused
00:35<retro|blah>No, you won't be able to SSH in. Get on the console using lish
00:35<trigger>lish
00:35<trigger>this is where i say i have no idea
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00:35<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild
00:35<retro|blah>!lish
00:35<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
00:36<trigger>dear god
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00:38<retro|blah>Dear god who?
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00:40<trigger>iu changed the root pw and rebooted but now ssh wont work
00:40<trigger>this is nearly the dumbest shit
00:40<trigger>aslkdjhsa
00:40<retro|blah>*sigh* That's not what I asked you to do
00:41<retro|blah>What I'm trying to get at is to get all four disks mounted in rescue mode so we can figure out what's on each disk.
00:42<trigger>ok so
00:42<trigger>its in rescue mode again
00:42<retro|blah>< retro|blah> What does "ls /media" say?
00:44<trigger>cd_base compressed_root ramdisk sda sdb sdc sdh sdh1
00:44<retro|blah>Do the following: "mount /media/sda; mount /media/sdb; mount /media/sdc"
00:45<retro|blah>Then, "ls /media/sda; ls /media/sdb; ls /media/sdc"
00:45<trigger>sda is lost+found
00:46<trigger>sdb is same as above
00:46<trigger>sdc has everything
00:46<trigger> /etc
00:46<trigger>most import
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00:48<retro|blah>So sda and sdb have nothing else besides lost+found, correct?
00:48<trigger>basicly yea
00:48<trigger>sdc has the /etc dir
00:48<retro|blah>OK. Try the following: chroot /media/sdc
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00:49<trigger>k done
00:49<retro|blah>Now at this point you can run the "passwd" command and change the root password.
00:50<trigger>k
00:50<trigger>reboot ?
00:50<retro|blah>Before you do that, while you're still in the chroot you may want to check the contents of /var. See if it gives info on why it wasn't letting you in
00:51<trigger>its all there
00:52<retro|blah>Sorry, should've been more specific. Check the logs in /var/log
00:52<trigger>so reboot ?
00:52<retro|blah>The exact file to check varies by distro
00:52<trigger>ikts ubunto or debian i believe
00:52<trigger>dpkg so
00:52<trigger>all the files are in var/log
00:53<retro|blah>Probably /var/log/auth.log
00:53<trigger>reboot and hope for the best :D ?
00:54<trigger>yeah
00:54<trigger>i can see my failed passwd'sd
00:55<retro|blah>Any successful logins from IPs you don't recognize or expect?
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00:56<trigger>nope
00:56<trigger>its all me ;\
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00:57<retro|blah>OK. Shut down and boot back to your usual linode profile, then see if it 'works'
00:58<trigger>hrm no ssh ;\
00:58<trigger>i need a smoke god damnit brb ;P
00:58<millisa>try with lish
00:59<retro|blah>Hm, would be interested to know why the linode manager wasn't able to locate /etc/passwd. It isn't filesystem dependent is it?
01:00<dwfreed>the host needs to be able to mount your disks
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01:11<trigger>like
01:12<trigger>still no ssh
01:13<millisa>try with lish
01:14<trigger>that works
01:15<trigger>hey
01:15<trigger>on the upside
01:15<millisa>sounds like you got the root password changed alright then.
01:15<trigger>i can login as root
01:15<trigger>yea
01:15<millisa>can you reach things outbound from the linode?
01:15<trigger>yep
01:15<trigger>pionged google
01:17<millisa>what is it saying when you try to ssh to the system?
01:17<millisa>from that lish session you could watch your authlog with: tail -f /var/log/auth.log
01:18<trigger>i think
01:21<trigger>webserver seems to be not working tho .. its running 1 sec
01:22<trigger>yeah
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01:22<trigger>apache is not reachable now lol
01:22<trigger>akjdlhdas
01:22<trigger>getting close tho ;p
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01:25<trigger>did all my dns settings get reset ? i used the IP and apache works .. and its reset to a default page
01:26<trigger>looks like it did
01:26<trigger>not the worst thing in the world i can get my info again
01:26<dwfreed>uh, what
01:26<trigger>my dns settings are gone
01:27<dwfreed>resetting your root password wouldn't have touched those
01:27<trigger>you would think
01:27<dwfreed>I *know*
01:27<millisa>do you mean your resolv.conf is empty or do you mean when you try to hit your domain by name it isn't resolving?
01:27<millisa>if the latter, what is your domain?
01:27<trigger>my redirect for my hostname seems to be gone
01:28<trigger> Non-authoritative answer: 69.54.74.198.in-addr.arpa name = loves.drinkingatwork.com.
01:28<trigger>lol now it works again
01:29<trigger>it must of done something with that reset
01:29<trigger>renewed the dns or something
01:29<trigger>www does not work but ssh does to the domain
01:30<millisa>whois of drinkingatwork.com says the name servers are ns1.glan.net and ns2.glan.net
01:30<millisa>when I ask either of those nameservers for 'loves.drinkingatwork.com' I don't get an answer
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01:31<trigger>hrm
01:31<trigger>i guess i can just buy a domain mysef, that was off a friend
01:31<dwfreed>I get SERVFAIL from them, which suggests they're expecting to be authoritative for the domain, but any information they have is expired
01:31<trigger>o he is back
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01:32<trigger>1 sec asking if anything changed
01:32<millisa>i'm starting to wonder if this whole thing has nothing to do with linode. can you ssh to your server if you use your IP?
01:32<trigger>yes
01:32<trigger>the ip/dns and root pw were 2 sep things, root is fixed yay
01:33<trigger>when i did the resuce or something it maybe messed with my dns or maybe yteah its not linode at all
01:33<trigger>i asked the guy who has the dns and eveything is payed through oct.
01:34<millisa>you can check it yourself. dig -t a loves.drinkingatwork.com @ns1.glan.net
01:35<trigger>k asking
01:35<trigger>thanks for all the help
01:35<trigger>i came in hot/pissed about the pw situation
01:35<trigger>sry
01:36<millisa>!point retro|blah
01:36<linbot>millisa: Access denied.
01:36<millisa>NOOOO!
01:37<dwfreed>you tried voting for yourself once
01:37<millisa>I don't think I did.
01:37<dwfreed>!point retro|blah
01:37<linbot>dwfreed: Access denied.
01:37<dwfreed>no, mcintosh broke it
01:37<millisa>!lick retro|blah
01:37<linbot>millisa: Access denied.
01:37<@mcintosh>hmm
01:39<@mcintosh>ah
01:39<@mcintosh>it's the bar
01:39<@mcintosh>alnum only
01:41<arlen>!boo mcintosh
01:41<linbot>arlen: Point taken from mcintosh! (6)
01:42<arlen>!point mcintosh
01:42<linbot>arlen: Point given to mcintosh. (7)
01:42<@mcintosh>!point retro|blah
01:42<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to retro|blah. (1)
01:42<millisa>!lick retro|blah
01:42<linbot>millisa: Point given to retro|blah. (2)
01:42<millisa>hooray!
01:42<@mcintosh>( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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02:08<da>Anyone from Abuse team?
02:08<da>Its a quick issue
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02:09<da>Ahm...
02:09<millisa>we won't know unless you say what it is...
02:10<da>Are you from abuse team?
02:10<millisa>Nope
02:10<da>Or supporter?
02:10<millisa>Nope
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02:32<dexter>hello do you customize package ?
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02:35<Cromulent>dexter: nope no customisations
02:36<dexter>okay thanks
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02:41<millisa>trigger: looks like you have dns records again
02:42<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • 9 Reasons Why You Should Build Your Website On WordPress. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14662&p=73094#p73094>
02:46<Cromulent>I mean I use wordpress but even I admit it is full of security holes - if a piece of software tells you to change the default database prefix to stop sql injection attacks you know that software is shit
02:47<Cromulent>although to be fair most of the problems come from badly written addons which is why I don't install many at all
02:49<kyhwana>lol wordpress
02:49<kyhwana>wait
02:49<kyhwana>is that a legit post? I assumed it was spam
02:51<Cromulent>seems like they were being serious
02:51<Cromulent>but of course it has links to their website so it is spam as well
02:54<Cromulent>the openbsd developers should start making web applications - I bet they'd do a good job of it
02:54<Cromulent>although they'd probably write it in C :)
03:32<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • DNS propogation <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14663&p=73095#p73095>
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04:29<Aj_>Hi, I had a question regarding the Standard plans and High memory plans, is memory the only difference between them, or will there be any difference in the processors as well
04:30<dwfreed>all of the differences are spelled out on the pricing page:
04:30<dwfreed>https://www.linode.com/pricing
04:30<dwfreed>(click view all plans to get a nice table)
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04:31<wuwutu>hello
04:31<wuwutu>
04:31<linbot>wuwutu: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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04:32<Aj_>Well, it doesn't say anything about a difference in the machines used, so, I guess there is none. Thanks anyways.
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05:50<Mhmd>Hello
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05:52<Cromulent>hi
05:57<marshmn>hi
06:06<dcraig>hey
06:13<jiggawattz>HOLA
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07:32<JohnCena>anyone know if the $20 discount coupon works
07:32<JohnCena>and does anyone have the specs for the singapore location of linode
07:51<Cromulent>all the specs are in the pricing page
07:51<Cromulent>!pricing
07:51<linbot>https://www.linode.com/pricing
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07:56<JohnCena>i mean the specs of the nodes
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07:57<JohnCena>that the vps's run on
07:57<JohnCena>btw is the linode vps's openvz or kvm
08:00<Celti>Linode is KVM.
08:00<Celti>There's some legacy Xen stuff too but IIRC you can't get new Xen Linodes
08:02<JohnCena>is it good for minecraft hosting
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08:04<Celti>I don't see why not. There used to be a guide on the Linode docs site to setting up a Minecraft server, but it hasn't been updated recently.
08:06<JohnCena>does that mean i get dedicated resources like a dedicated server
08:07<webvictim>dedodated wam
08:12<JohnCena>whats the difference different KVM vps and a dedicated server
08:13<webvictim>with a dedicated server you get all the resources to yourself. with a VPS you are getting a slice of the resources of a dedicated server
08:13<webvictim>(but you pay less for a VPS, obviously)
08:14<JohnCena>so i won't really get the 1000Mbps connection on the KVM?
08:14<webvictim>no, you will
08:15<JohnCena>what if you compared the same specs kvm vps and dedicated server
08:15<webvictim>i'm not sure i understand
08:16<JohnCena>like say you compare the $5 (1gb ram) vps with a dedicated server with 1GB ram etc
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08:19<webvictim>well it'd be hard to do that, you only get 1 CPU core and 1GB RAM and a small amount of storage with the VPS
08:19<webvictim>nobody would build a dedicated server with the same specs because it wouldn't be worth anything
08:20<webvictim>but if you just need something with a good internet connection and a small amount of processing power, that 1GB VPS is a good choice
08:21<jiggawattz>JohnCena: nobody would build a 1GB memory dedi
08:21<jiggawattz>maybe there are some ancient ones that still work
08:22<jiggawattz>but those would have much older processors and I/O would be weaker (HDD only)
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08:22<webvictim>also, a 1 core CPU in a dedicated server would be terrible as it would be ancient. nobody's made CPUs under 2 cores in a long time
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08:23<jiggawattz>^^^^^
08:23<webvictim>whereas a 1 core CPU in a VPS is fine because it's one core of a chip that probably has 16 or 24
08:23<webvictim>and the processing power of that chip is huge, you're getting a slice of it
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08:26<JohnCena>ok
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10:23<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • PostgreSQL server failed to start. I would appreciate any helpful suggestions on how to get PostgresSQL working again <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14664&p=73096#p73096>
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11:04<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • permission denied (public key) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14622&p=73060#p73060>
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11:53<Matt__>Good morning
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11:54<Matt__>Is there any way, any script that I could put on my website to grab every IP that access to it?
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12:08<@mcintosh>Matt__: generally speaking your web server logs will retain that information by default
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12:50<okeman>hello there, can any one help me with my linode wordpress installation issues
12:51<dzho>hard to know unless you ask
12:51<dzho>!ask
12:51<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
12:51<dzho>the "always" there is a bit of an overstatement, but otherwise it's ok advice
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12:53<okeman>Wordpress not activating on my server. I detailed my problem here in the linode forum: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14665
12:54<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • WordPress Installation not working <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14665&p=73098#p73098>
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13:01<Okeman_>any takes on my wordpress activation issue: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14665
13:01<@jalter>Okeman_: which distribution are you using? It looks like Ubuntu 16.04 from your post
13:02<Okeman_>@jalter yes it is Ubuntu 16.04
13:02<@jalter>the top of the guide you are following says that it only applies to Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14.04. There are links to other guides that are suitable for Ubuntu 16.04, if that's what you need to use
13:04<Okeman_>@jalter thank you. can you point me to the right guide
13:04<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Wordpress not Activating <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14666&p=73099#p73099>
13:05<@jalter>No need to post in multiple forums - it clutters the forum a little bit
13:05<@jalter>better to stick to one thread
13:05<@jalter>One sec for the links
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13:06<@jalter>Okeman_: Start off with this guide to get LAMP installed. https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
13:06<Okeman_>sorry i closed the page by mistake. thanks you for your help. its my first time in an IRC
13:06<@jalter>Then jump to the "Upload Files" section here https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website#upload-files
13:06<@jalter>I took those links from the top of the guide you were using. :)
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13:07<Okeman_>I must have missed it. I see them now on all the guides
13:07<@jalter>No problem. Good luck!
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13:36<Ahmed_Mobin>hi
13:36<Ahmed_Mobin>what is the limit of database on lindoe servers?
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13:37<Ahmed_Mobin>I want to transfer 3gb of existing db to lindoe from another hosting provider
13:43<Celti> There is no limit other than the disk space your Linode has
13:46<Ahmed_Mobin>means disk space is the limit
13:48<Celti>Right. Which depends on the plan you purchase.
13:50<Ahmed_Mobin>linode servers are in singapore as well or not?
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13:52<Celti>Yes, Singapore is available
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14:05<Ahmed_Mobin>If I want to host my website to singaproe servers. It is possible?
14:05<arlen>yes
14:07<Ahmed_Mobin>lindoe has any support numbers for singapore?
14:08<JeremyE77>47
14:08<Ahmed_Mobin>47?
14:08<arlen>no they don't
14:09<arlen>not a local number anyways
14:09<JeremyE77>Even the US phone is not a real phone :P
14:10<JeremyE77>in the clasical sense
14:10<Ahmed_Mobin>lol. does they provide best support like hostgator etc or not?
14:10<arlen>yes they do
14:10<JeremyE77>beter
14:11<Ahmed_Mobin>can I create unlimit email addresses and ftp with linode with same server package or I need to buy separate services ?
14:12<JeremyE77>Ahmed_Mobin: Just to be clear. This thing will be your server. There will be very little installed out of the box. You can install as many things as you want. (including email addresses).
14:13<Ahmed_Mobin>one last thing. linode provide cpanel or everything is manual?
14:13<JeremyE77>You can purchase and install cpanel (or pruchased manahef services)
14:14<JeremyE77>or purchase managed services....sorry
14:14<JeremyE77>idk what my keyboard did there :P
14:17<Ahmed_Mobin>Thanks everybody for great help :)
14:21<arlen>cheers
14:23<JeremyE77>Linode really advertises heavy in the la times! I have 4 of them on one page!
14:24<@jalter>yeah, trying to 4x those sales
14:24<JeremyE77>Foreverspin and Linode. That is that advertisers think I want.
14:25<@jalter>Foreverspin is just a Linode shell company anyway
14:25<JeremyE77>Things I already have! Seems a waste of money to target me :P
14:25<JeremyE77>(have your advertisers check for your cookie)
14:30<Eliz>I always find it funny, really,
14:31<JeremyE77>It's a waste...unless it is to keep competitors from getting eyeballs. In such a case it should be an affirming message not a sales message, though.
14:32<JeremyE77>It is shite marketing decisions (or lack of) that lead to ad block. If your marketing is so shite that people are blocking it...your message is lost.
14:33<JeremyE77>but paid for!
14:33<arlen>should block all ads anyways
14:33<arlen>malvertising
14:34<JeremyE77>Blocking all ads would be 98% of the internet. You just blocking blatant ads :P
14:35<arlen>I'm blocking potential malware
14:35<JeremyE77>Who will be on the front page of hacker news when they release a new product from their spaceship campus. Not Dell!
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14:57<JeremyE77>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU&feature=youtu.be
14:58<JeremyE77>I think being high in old timeys was probably very scary!
15:00<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
15:01<JeremyE77>Take the day off!
15:08<dwfreed>JeremyE77: logging into the Manager is supposed to trigger the kill pixel (at least that's what I was told back in 2012-2013), but it might have gotten lost somewhere, or not loading in time during the post-login redirect
15:09<JeremyE77>oh, well it's lost then :P I get sooo many ads, and I don't really do any unsusual privacy guarding.
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15:09<JeremyE77>Or I am just some oddball edge case
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15:12<dwfreed>JeremyE77: loading any part of the main linode site gets you the tracking pixel, which then triggers all linode's ads hardcore
15:13<dwfreed>I'm pretty sure the only reason I don't see pages and pages of Linode ads is that I have uBlock Origin set to mostly default settings, which blocks most ads
15:13<JeremyE77>It does that. Oh well, at least their ads aren't bad :D. I have no idea what would replace them, though. I havent seen anything else for so long.
15:13<JeremyE77>except forverspin
15:14<JeremyE77>Facebook thinks I want Atlassian. All I see there is Linode and Atlassian
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15:15<JeremyE77>I must be in some strange marketing bucket...if those are the best they have for me. Foreverspin, bitbucket, and Linode.
15:15<JeremyE77>All boring things!
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15:17<JeremyE77>My brother, who actually is an hardware engineer, gets advertisements for food.
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15:23<angyay0>Hi!
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15:23<@mquatrani>o/
15:24<angyay0>Can you help me? i have some questions...
15:24<JeremyE77>Yew
15:24<JeremyE77>yes
15:24<JeremyE77>I can help anyone with anything
15:25<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Add KVM configuration for Xen-based Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14660&p=73100#p73100>
15:25<JeremyE77>The answer is 4
15:26<dwfreed>wrong
15:26<dwfreed>the answer is 42
15:26<JeremyE77>Why would one recommend scp vs cloning? That just seems strange to me...if cloning is a choice.
15:26<JeremyE77>nope...4. I refacctored the answer to everything
15:26<dwfreed>well, if you don't need the whole thing, and you're running a database
15:26<JeremyE77>Ic
15:26<dwfreed>you can't live clone a linode and expect a consistent copy
15:27<JeremyE77>I meant whole system...I guess. I didn't break it down.
15:27<dwfreed>*especially* when running a database
15:27<angyay0>What are the common Uninvoiced charges ?
15:27<JeremyE77>angyay0: Everything...until the invoice is created
15:27<angyay0>i'm new using Linode Service
15:27<Q3Man>unless you're cool and send a zfs snapshot over, then you can live clone a database :)
15:27<dwfreed>that's just services you've used that you've not been formally charged for yet
15:27<dwfreed>Q3Man: still wouldn't trust it
15:27<Q3Man>I do it every day
15:28<JeremyE77>I am loving xfs snapshots!
15:28<dwfreed>angyay0: Linode's hourly billing is postpaid, so you pay for services after you've used them
15:28<dwfreed>angyay0: the uninvoiced thing is just a quick way to see how much you've used so far that they've yet to charge you for
15:29<angyay0>ok, that is supposed to be paid at the next month, right ?
15:30<dwfreed>yep, you'll get an invoice on April 1st for all the services you used in March
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15:31<dwfreed>if you use a lot of services, you can get a mid-month invoice; the threshold is $50 by default, but can be raised in various ways, including asking support to raise it
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15:32<angyay0>so, the initial charge if for next invoice?
15:33<dwfreed>yeah, the $5 or whatever you paid when you created the account will be applied to the first invoice
15:35<angyay0>all right
15:35<angyay0>for example, if i choose a plan, my billing will be linked to that? i mean, when i reach the limits, all counters will stop?
15:38<dwfreed>you'll never pay more than the listed monthly price for the plan you're on (works out to about 666 hours or so)
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15:41<JeremyE77>ÈÉÊEĘvil
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16:01<Amy>Hi Guys
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16:02<@mquatrani>o/
16:02<Amy>Do Server Pilot works with linode
16:02<Amy>And is it easy to deploy?
16:02<@mquatrani>Amy: I don't have any experience with that software, but you do have full root access to your Linode so you should be able to install it
16:03<Amy>I actually have no knowledge of CLI, so I would want to install a Cpanel type of software to access my sites
16:03<@mcintosh>Amy: ServerPilot works fine -> https://serverpilot.io/community/articles/how-to-create-a-server-on-linode.html
16:04<Amy>Thank you @mcintosh. Would it cost me anything additional btw?
16:04<JeremyE77>serverpilot.io is an NXDOMAIN for me :-/
16:04<Amy>What do you mean Jeremy
16:04<@mcintosh>Amy: some of serverpilot's services cost money, but nothing from our side costs anything
16:05<Amy>Okay, thank you for the prompt reply.
16:05<Amy>Is anybody here from Pakistan?
16:05<Amy>@ahmed_mobin may be?
16:06<JeremyE77>Amy: IDK, it looks like you could do server pilot for free on your own with something like the open source version of Ansible and a reaonable worpress nginx php-fpm + microcache playbook thinger
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16:07<JeremyE77>or have them do it easier for a fee :)
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16:09<Amy>Thanks Jeremy.
16:13<JeremyE77>Their details are kind of sparse. Do they setup microcache or caching at all?
16:14<Amy>Not sure, I would be able to enable cache through a plugin or something
16:14<Amy>I am actually ZERO with the CLi lol
16:14<JeremyE77>nginx is better at it
16:15<Amy>I see.
16:15<JeremyE77>something is better than nothing tho :)
16:15<Amy>You'll need to share a lot lol, again I am very bad at understanding this.
16:16<JeremyE77>just get started. You are on a good path :)
16:16<Amy>My need is to only setup a Wordpress site, which I could handle through dashboard
16:17<JeremyE77>If you put up another slow painful to use woocommerce site I am going to hunt you down tho! :P
16:17<Amy>Oh you got me there. It will be a Woocommerce
16:18<JeremyE77>I cannot express to you how many things I have NOT bought from slow woocommerce sites.
16:19<Amy>I feel you, I have seen a lot of them, but I think I will be able to optimize it very much.
16:21<JeremyE77>It'll be good. :D.
16:21<Amy>Is there anybody here who could setup that and I pay him some money?
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16:24<JeremyE77>this helps: https://serverpilot.io/community/articles/how-to-use-redis-with-wordpress.html
16:25<JeremyE77>and this: https://serverpilot.io/community/articles/how-to-install-wordpress-cache-enabler.html
16:25<Amy>Thank you very much Jeremy!
16:25<JeremyE77>start there and build
16:40<JeremyE77>Hey we cycled from the Linode ads over to the Bitbucket ads :)
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18:35<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Firewalld fails to reload rules on Centos7 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14433&p=73101#p73101>
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18:59<MitchMess>anyone around who is familiar with firewalld?
18:59<MitchMess>ran into an issue and I don't know where to start troubleshooting
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19:18<dzho>MitchMess: my first go-to is almost always the logs
19:19<dzho>that is, unless you can run whatever it is not in daemon mode and can get error messages more directly
19:20<dzho>since this is interhost, logs or other error reporting for software on both sides of the (putative) firewall would be relevant
19:20<dzho>but, also ...
19:20<dzho>!ask
19:20<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
19:20<MitchMess>okay!
19:21*dzho doesn't run firewalld fwiw, just ... troubleshooting hews to familiar forms usuall
19:21<dzho>y
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19:25<MitchMess>Setting up Firewalld on a CentOS 7 (Latest 64 bit (4.9.7-x86_64-linode80)).
19:27<dzho>another troubleshooting chestnut is: what are you trying to do? what did you do? what did you expect to happen? what happened instead?
19:27<MitchMess>All traffic is being blocked. Altho I added http, ssh, mySQL and ftp.
19:28<dzho>and also "what documentation have you referred to? how is what you are using or what you did different from what is documented?"
19:29<MitchMess>I'm using https://www.linode.com/docs/security/firewalls/introduction-to-firewalld-on-centos and https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Security_Guide/sec-Using_Firewalls.html#sec-Introduction_to_firewalld
19:29<MitchMess>This is what I get:
19:29<MitchMess>https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Security_Guide/sec-Using_Firewalls.html#sec-Introduction_to_firewalld
19:29<dzho>oops
19:29<MitchMess> sudo systemctl status firewalld ● firewalld.service - firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Sun 2017-03-26 00:12:15 CET; 16min ago Docs: man:firewalld(1) Main PID: 5157 (firewalld) CGroup: /system.slice/firewalld.service └─5157 /usr/bin/python -Es /usr/sbin/firewa
19:30<dzho>!paste
19:30<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
19:30<MitchMess>ahaaa! okay! :-)
19:30<dzho>(helps with the formatting, too)
19:30<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/c6a836dfc0ef
19:32<dzho>ooh, is that "-l" (l as in ell, not as in 1) an option you can run on systemctl there? those two warnings in particular look hella cut off.
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19:33<dzho>Also, might be useful to see messages for the 'stop' and 'start' command lines resulting from replacing each of those in place of the 'status' subcommand to systemctl there.
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19:33<MitchMess>okay I'll put it all in the pastbin
19:33<dzho>I'd expect sudo systemctl start firewalld to be the point where this most goes off the rails
19:34<dzho>huh, so "/usr/bin/python -Es /usr/sbin/firewalld --nofork --nopid"
19:35<dzho>I'd be tempted to prefix a "sudo " to the start of that and see where the chips fall.
19:35<MitchMess>sudo systemctl start doens't outpyt anything
19:35<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/3c2f747a05f4
19:35<dzho>"sudo systemctl start firewalld" doesn't show anything?
19:36<MitchMess>no
19:36<dzho>huh
19:37<MitchMess>neither does stop
19:38<dzho>yeah, other that trying to run /usr/sbin/firewalld as suggested above, I'm sort of played out.
19:39<MitchMess>no output on that command :(
19:39<dzho>oh, you did the enable command?
19:40<MitchMess>on systemctl enable firewalld?
19:40<dzho>and what of firewall-cmd --state ?
19:40<dzho>yeah
19:40<MitchMess>I did
19:41<MitchMess>firewall-cmd --state output: 'not running'
19:42<dzho>and sudo firewall-cmd --list-all-zones ?
19:43<MitchMess>"FirewallD is not running"
19:45<kyhwana>What does "sudo iptables -L -n -v" say?
19:45<MitchMess>The strange thing about it is that is was working before.. I didn't mess with any xml file. Did it all with firewall-cmd commands
19:45<dzho>huh
19:46<dzho>best I can suggest here is some vague reference to seeing what journalctl has for you, or comparing configuration files against backup configuration files, eg, with diff -u or something.
19:47<MitchMess>iptables doesn't seem to be a command here.. but is installed
19:49<kyhwana>huh
19:49<kyhwana>oh well, new fancy systemd shit breaking isn't surprising
19:51<MitchMess>no? all new for me. When great untill now
19:51<MitchMess>went*
20:00<MitchMess>Like you said, I'll compare the config files.
20:00<MitchMess>Thanks for the help @dzho
20:01<MitchMess>oops.. another nubie fault :-s
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20:26<bdube>MitchMess: do you have the iptables binary? some of your outputs would be explained if you don't
20:30<MitchMess>rpm -q iptables iptables-1.4.21-17.el7.x86_64 so I think I do
20:33<bdube>what about ls -l /usr/sbin/iptables* /sbin/iptables*
20:34<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/7b725b85f49f
20:35<bdube>no iptables
20:36<MitchMess>How did that happen..
20:36<MitchMess>And how can I fix it
20:37<bdube>I don't know how firewalld or firewall-cmd forms its commands, but that could be the issue
20:37<bdube>I don't use centos or firewalld so I'm not sure
20:41<MitchMess>one step forward :-)
20:42<bdube>given your ls output above, I'd expect to see iptables also symlinked to xtables-multi but it's not
20:44<MitchMess>I'll reinstall iptables, that should fix it
20:45<bdube>iptables is a symlink to xtables-multi on my system
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20:54<MitchMess>hmm.. I think I locked all traffic
20:55<millisa>can't ssh in?
20:55<MitchMess>via console
20:57<MitchMess>but rpm is not finding mirrors
20:59<millisa>what exactly are you trying to do at this point and what are you running that gives errors?
21:01<MitchMess>I was trying to reinstall iptables and firewalld. Since firewalld wasn't working. Probably because iptables was not present.
21:01<millisa>yum remove firewalld followed by yum install firewalld ?
21:02<MitchMess>yum install iptables > Error downloading package
21:02<MitchMess>same for yum install firewalld
21:02<millisa>can you ping google.com?
21:02<MitchMess>nope
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21:02<millisa>can you ping your gateway by IP?
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21:04<MitchMess>no. Network is unreachable
21:04<millisa>well, that'd be where to start. output of 'ip addr show'. and 'ip route show' in a pastebin?
21:05<MitchMess>ifconfig?
21:06<millisa>or bpaste is fine
21:06<millisa>no. ip addr show and ip route show
21:07<MitchMess>command not found
21:07<millisa>the ip command is not found?
21:07<MitchMess>uhu
21:07<MitchMess>I'm on centos
21:07<MitchMess>7
21:07<millisa>it's on centos7 (centos7 is my favorite!)
21:08<millisa>rpm -qa |grep iproute
21:08<millisa>did that get uninstalled?
21:09<millisa>or do you possibly not have it in your path: /usr/sbin/ip ?
21:09<MitchMess>no output so I guess it's not there..
21:09<MitchMess>but.. how would that happen
21:10<millisa>couldn't say; pretty certain it's in the minimal install
21:10<MitchMess>no it's not in sbin
21:10<millisa>what is the IP you are supposed to have? (it shows on the linode's remote access tab in the manager)
21:11<MitchMess>139.162.152.254
21:11<MitchMess>I'm not connected anymore
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21:13<millisa>set your IP up in your ifcfg-eth0 file and then try doing a network restart: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/linux-static-ip-configuration#centos-7--fedora
21:14<millisa>(replace the IPADDR0, DNS1-3, and GATEWAY0 lines with the appropriate values from your remote access tab)
21:14<millisa>(you can leave off the bits at the end about adding a second IP and private ip)
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21:16<MitchMess>the folder /etc/sysconfig is gone.. I don't think that normal.
21:16<millisa>no, it isn't.
21:16<millisa>are you possibly booted into rescue mode?
21:17<MitchMess>Not that I know
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21:20<millisa>if you 'cat /etc/redhat-release' what does it say?
21:20<MitchMess>CentOS Linux release 7.3.1611 (Core)
21:22<millisa>but you have no /etc/sysconfig ?
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21:22<MitchMess>I mislooked.. sorry it its there
21:23<millisa>ok, setup your IP then like the static ip guide; lets see if we can get you back to pinging your gateway
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21:27<MitchMess>hmm.. the config was there and seems to be correct
21:27<millisa>then try a: systemctl restart network
21:29<MitchMess>Okay I really start to think some is really wrong
21:29<MitchMess>Unit not found
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21:31<millisa>systemctl status network
21:33<MitchMess>not found
21:33<millisa>bpaste everything on your console please.
21:34<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/359d0cd7c27e
21:35<millisa>try: ifup eth0
21:36<MitchMess>[root@Zeno network-scripts]# ifup eth0 -bash: ifup: command not found
21:36<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Two domains and one Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14661&p=73103#p73103>
21:37<millisa>ls -l /usr/sbin/ifup
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21:38<MitchMess>[root@Zeno network-scripts]# ls -l /usr/sbin/ifup ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/ifup: No such file or directory
21:39<MitchMess>Where did all that stuff go?
21:39<millisa>ifup comes from the initscripts rpm; I'm not sure why you wouldn't have it.
21:40<millisa>rpm -qa |grep initscripts
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21:40<millisa>I'm assuming that comes back with nothing
21:41<MitchMess>rpm -qa |grep initscripts no output
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21:42<millisa>rpm -qa |grep net-tools
21:42<millisa>do you have that one?
21:42<MitchMess>yes
21:43<MitchMess>net-tools-2.0-0.17.20131004git.el7.x86_64
21:43<millisa>Does /usr/sbin/ifconfig -? do anything?
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21:44<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/a606135c7d0e
21:45<millisa>try: /usr/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
21:46<MitchMess>8021q: adding VLAN 0 to HW filter on device eth0
21:46<MitchMess>it outputted this
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21:46<MitchMess>but still can't ping anything
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21:47<millisa>what is the output of just /usr/sbin/ifconfig
21:47<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/db3229223fb6
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21:48<millisa>and if you do: /usr/sbin/ifconfig eth0 down then: /usr/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
21:48<millisa>does it still show no inet address under eth0?
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21:49<MitchMess>no
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21:52<millisa>before we go trying to manually add your ip with ifconfig - can you try rebooting?
21:52<MitchMess>sure
21:52<MitchMess>best is to reboot from terminal right?
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21:53<millisa>from the console, this should be fine: shutdown -r now
21:55<MitchMess>What is this? Zeno login: random: crng init done
21:55<Peng>a race condition
21:56<Peng>"random: crng init done" is a thing that's written while booting. "Zeno login:" is, uh, where you log in
21:56<MitchMess>I ment crng init done never noticed it
21:57<MitchMess>Oké millisa I rebooted
21:57<millisa>does ifconfig look the same? eth0 with no inet address?
21:58<MitchMess>hmm even the eth0 disappeared
21:58<millisa>do a /usr/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
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21:59<MitchMess>back, but still no ip address
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22:01<millisa>bpaste: cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
22:05<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/da625f5d1717
22:10<millisa>we can try adding the ip with ifconfig directly I guess: /usr/sbin/ifconfig eth0 139.162.152.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 139.162.152.255
22:11<millisa>i'm still not sure why it didn't try to at least bring the interface up. your file has 'onboot=yes'...
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22:12<MitchMess>I especially wonder how all this suddenly happend..
22:12<millisa>you have a bunch of missing packages that I could swear are in the minimal/base install.
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22:13<millisa>I'm wagering you did a 'yum remove iptables' - pretty sure that'd take iproute, initscripts with it.
22:14<MitchMess>uhu.. :-s
22:14<millisa>after you did the ifconfig command above - does it still show no ip for eth0 when you run just the bare ifconfig?
22:15<MitchMess>I do have a ipaddress now
22:15<millisa>can you ping your own ip?
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22:15<MitchMess>yes
22:15<millisa>what about the gateway?
22:16<MitchMess>yes that too
22:16<millisa>well, that's exciting.
22:16<millisa>lets try manually adding a default route
22:16<MitchMess>okay
22:16<millisa>try: /usr/sbin/route add default gw 139.162.152.1 eth0
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22:17<millisa>i can ping you.
22:17<millisa>praise $deity
22:17<millisa>yum install iproute initscripts
22:17<MitchMess>and I can ping out!!!! :D
22:17<millisa>get those back
22:18<MitchMess>did it
22:18<millisa>lets reboot and see if that's enough to at least get your IP coming up on its own
22:18<millisa>if not, we'll just run the ifconfig and route command again
22:20<MitchMess>yep it is :-)
22:20<millisa>i can ping you again. did you have to run the commands again, or did it just work at boot
22:21<MitchMess>only booted
22:21<millisa>good
22:21<millisa>ok, put firewalld back: yum install firewalld
22:21<MitchMess>ok
22:22<millisa>systemctl start firewalld
22:22<MitchMess>lets see if that works
22:22<millisa>systemctl enable firewalld
22:22<millisa>ok, looks like it has everything blocked
22:23<millisa>(i saw 22,80 and 3306 listening before you had it started)
22:24<millisa>open ssh on the public zone (you may want to adjust this later): firewall-cmd --permanent --zone=public --add-port=22/tcp
22:24<millisa>firewall-cmd --reload
22:24<MitchMess>still the same issue as where I started
22:24<MitchMess>https://bpaste.net/show/372d5afac979
22:24<millisa>(there was a way to just add 22 to the current running config and then save it off, but I never remember the syntax)
22:25<MitchMess>systemctl says it's running, but firewall-cmd says it's not
22:25<millisa>did it put iptables back when you installed firewalld? if not: yum install iptables
22:26<MitchMess>they are installed
22:26<millisa>it was? or did you just install it?
22:27<MitchMess>yum install iptables just gave me: already installed
22:27<MitchMess>nothing to do
22:27<millisa>ok. lets see about resetting firewalld then; maybe there's something odd in the config.
22:27<millisa>systemctl stop firewalld
22:28<millisa>yum remove firewalld (that should just remove the one package, if it has more than just firewalld, don't say yes yet)
22:28<millisa>move the firewalld config in etc: mv /etc/firewalld /etc/firewalld.old
22:28<millisa>put firewalld back: yum install firewalld
22:28<millisa>systemctl start firewalld
22:28<millisa>does that get rid of your error message?
22:31<MitchMess>Ooooh yah!
22:31<MitchMess>firewall is running now :-)
22:31<millisa>looks like you have 22 open only now too
22:31<millisa>open your web port back up: firewall-cmd --permanent --zone=public --add-port=80/tcp
22:31<millisa>(or use the version that has the service name)
22:32<MitchMess>I did it with the services before
22:32<millisa>services is fine
22:32<millisa>firewall-cmd --permanent --zone=public --add-service=http or something like that.
22:32<millisa>reload firewalld ( firewall-cmd --reload )
22:33<millisa>oh and make sure firewalld is enabled at startup: systemctl enable firewalld
22:34<MitchMess>damn.. it gave a Error after the reload
22:34<MitchMess>Error: COMMAND_FAILED
22:34<millisa>hm. reset and walk through it again.
22:35<MitchMess>oké.. I'll figure it out now
22:36<millisa>I would try just resetting again, just get that base firewalld setup in place, enable it, try rebooting and see if it's still just allowing port 22 and working correctly.
22:36<MitchMess>it went wrong with enabling one of those services
22:36<millisa>was it a rich rule?
22:36<MitchMess>no
22:37<MitchMess>only http and ftp
22:37<MitchMess>maybe there is something wrong in on of those xml configs
22:37<millisa>hm. do one at a time. maybe try using just the port for the http opening and see if it still has the error
22:37<millisa>might narrow it down some.
22:37<millisa>at least you are at a point where you can reset and troubleshoot
22:38<millisa>those xml configs should have all been in /etc/firewalld - you moved that out of the way, so it should have been pretty empty/default
22:38<MitchMess>Yes. Thank you soo much!
22:39<millisa>i saw an old serverfault post where someone was having issues with rich rules on centos7 at linode (they showed their kernel); it looked like they may have had a module mismatch or something? try running 'yum update' and getting up to date now that you have network again
22:40<millisa>systemctl status firewalld -l <--that should hopefully give some more info on that error
22:41<MitchMess>no it's not showing much more..
22:41<MitchMess>sadly
22:42<millisa>maybe look in /var/log/firewalld or possibly /var/log/messages
22:42<MitchMess>the package is up to date
22:43<MitchMess>so strange it doesn't give any info only: ERROR: COMMAND_FAILED
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22:46<millisa2>(trying to bring one of my systems up to date, maybe I'll get it too?)
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22:47<millisa2>which kernel are you on? uname -a
22:47<MitchMess>Linux Zeno 4.9.7-x86_64-linode80 #2 SMP Thu Feb 2 15:43:55 EST 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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22:51<MitchMess>I think I found it
22:51<millisa>what was it?
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22:52<MitchMess>if I add the ftp service it starts giving the error
22:52<millisa2>and if you remove it, it goes away?
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22:52<MitchMess>yes
22:52<MitchMess>I now looking where the services are stored
22:52<millisa>give the firewall-cmd line you are using? lets see if I can be reproduced
22:53<millisa>also if it can be reproduced
22:54<MitchMess>sudo firewall-cmd --zone=public --add-service=ftp
22:54<MitchMess>--permanent
22:54<millisa>reproduced on my system.
22:54<millisa>http://serverfault.com/questions/836433/can-not-open-ftp-port-via-firewalld
22:56<millisa>I was excited for a moment; found a recent post on the linode forums about it. but then it turned out it was your post.
22:58<MitchMess>yes sorry about that..
22:59<millisa>So this is what it should be doing when you use the service name: cat /usr/lib/firewalld/services/ftp.xml
23:02<MitchMess>looks simular to cat /usr/lib/firewalld/services/http.xml
23:02<MitchMess>only that name
23:03<millisa>http doesn't use the nf_conntrack_ftp module.
23:03<MitchMess>What does it do?
23:06<MitchMess>I'm trying to open port 21 manually but that doesn't seem to work. Like said in the post
23:07<millisa>pretty sure that module was used for the passive ftp stuff
23:07<millisa>my /proc/config.gz says CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=y; that sounds like it's supposed to be in there
23:09<MitchMess>That's the kernel config right?
23:09<millisa>supposed to be the one for the running kernel
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23:15<millisa2>it would appear to also fail on the 4.8.3 kernel
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23:21<MitchMess>And how does these kind of bugs get fixed?
23:21<MitchMess>I'm kinda new in the linux world
23:22<millisa>i'd just avoid it.
23:22<millisa>don't use add-service=ftp
23:22<millisa>add tcp port 21, then set the passive ports for your ftp server to a specific range, then open those ports
23:23<millisa>(or - don't use ftp! sftp/scp!)
23:23<MitchMess>That's maybe even better advice :-)
23:25<MitchMess>I'm gonna continue my work tomorrow. Thank you so much for all the help!
23:25<millisa>sure thing
23:25<bdube>!point millisa
23:25<linbot>bdube: Point given to millisa. (12)
23:25<millisa>hooray!
23:26<MitchMess>!point millisa
23:26<linbot>MitchMess: Point given to millisa. (13)
23:26<millisa>a veritable windfall
23:26<bdube>don't spend them all in one place now
23:27<MitchMess>Bye guys and thanks again!
23:28<bdube>the centos7 gui installer is nice
23:29<millisa>the order of the first set of settings you touch are awkward. it has the time stuff first, but you can't toggle the network time button until you go to the network interface section first
23:29<bdube>yeah, that was awkward
23:29<bdube>at least it did let me switch to dvorak early on
23:29<millisa>if you do the network first, force it to be online/active, then the chrony stuff 'just works', which is nice
23:33<bdube>I will have to figure out how to get the virtualbox guest additions installed or this won't last long
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23:34<bdube>what is anaconda? I've seen that name in several places already
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23:37<millisa>the fedora/redhat installer?
23:38<bdube>even in this centos7 fstab "Created by anaconda", saw the name during boot too
23:38<bdube>anaconda NetworkManager
23:39<millisa>it's just their (mostly) python installer stuff.
23:39<bdube>oh
23:41<millisa>after you finish doing the install by hand, if you look in /root, there's probably an 'anaconda-ks.cfg' file that's a kickstart file you could feed to it at boot to resetup things the way you just did (I don't believe it has your password set in it though, but you can add it)
23:42<millisa>hm. or maybe it does have the password encrypted (just looked at a recent one)
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23:42<millisa>you can fully automate redhat deployments by putting a kickstart out on a tftp server and doing a pxeboot.
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23:43<bdube>it's going to take work to get the guest additions installed, so I'm putting it aside for now
23:44<millisa>should just be 5 or 6 steps
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23:47<millisa>yum -y install https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/epel-release-latest-7.noarch.rpm;yum install dkms kernel-devel; (devices->install guest additions) - run from the popup if you have a gui, or run the VBoxLinuxAdditions.run from the cd mount
23:47<bdube>cheers
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23:55<bdube>success
23:56<millisa>woo
23:56<bdube>how do you keep so many links at the ready?
23:56<millisa>the help links pasted here?
23:57<bdube>yeah, the linode doc links, that one for epel just now
23:58<millisa>quad 4k monitors and too many open windows?
23:58<bdube>:)
23:58<millisa>most the time I just google and find the link i clicked on already
23:59<millisa>as for the linode docs, I bet I only paste the same 4-5 repeatedly...
23:59<bdube>hehe
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