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00:00<millisa>resize, getting started, pricing, how billing works...
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03:01<Amy>Hi Guys!
03:01<Amy>Anybody here from Pakistan?
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03:37<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Firewalld fails to reload rules on Centos7 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14433&p=73104#p73104>
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06:00<sonu_nk>hi i m facing a critical issue on linode server https://paste.ubuntu.com/24252648/
06:00<sonu_nk>in this paste my issue ..please help.
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06:53<gianluca>hello there
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07:09<supratiksh>hii
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07:10<supratiksh>hello
07:10<supratiksh>i want to host the java site??
07:12<supratiksh>?????????????????
07:14<grawity>okay?
07:16<supratiksh>sir
07:16<supratiksh>I am developer
07:16<supratiksh>and I wanna smallest package
07:17<supratiksh>which is 5$ p/month
07:17<grawity>right
07:17<supratiksh>is it dedecated
07:18<supratiksh>I am java developer
07:18<supratiksh>So java+ spring + hibernate
07:18<supratiksh>will support?
07:18<grawity>as long as you install everything yourself
07:18<grawity>Linode sells KVM VPS servers, so that's a dedicated OS but not dedicated hardware
07:19<supratiksh>ok
07:19<grawity>you get full Linux access and it's up to you to install Java or Tomcat or whatever is necessary
07:21<supratiksh>which location of server I should select
07:21<supratiksh>at the time of payment
07:21<supratiksh>or purchase time
07:22<grawity>whichever is most convenient for you
07:22<grawity>it's possible to migrate servers between locations later
07:22<supratiksh>ok
07:23<supratiksh>can we move 5$ to 10$ or big plan later
07:23<supratiksh>on same ip
07:24<grawity>yes
07:24<supratiksh>how many domain i can configure in one ip
07:25<grawity>as many as your webserver supports... Linode doesn't care
07:26<supratiksh>how many support webserver??
07:29<supratiksh>ok th]
07:30<supratiksh>I am purchasing pls be on online.....
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07:49<Zimsky>YOU CAN'T FOOL ME, RIDDLEMASTER
07:49<Zimsky>I HAVE THE HEAD OF JAMESTK
07:49<JamesTK>fun
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07:56<Zimsky>I will actually hit you
08:01<csnxs>cmat me
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11:09<linbot>New news from forum: /dev/random • Hello, May I Ask You Some Questions? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14667&p=73105#p73105>
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13:23<ahmadx>hi
13:23<ahmadx>i have created a linode.com account put it still pending for a 20 minuites now
13:24<bdube>have you checked your spam or junk folder?
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13:24<dwfreed>^ check your email, including spam/junk, for an email from Linode; if you don't have one, have patience, it can take a little while
13:25<ahmadx>i recieved an email from linode.com from 15 minutes now but nothing happend for my account still PENDING
13:30<ahmadx>still waiting
13:30<dwfreed>as I said, it can take awhile
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13:44<@mcintosh>ahmadx: you should be good to go
13:46<ahmadx>thanks
13:46<ahmadx>um waiting
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13:52<bdube>dig +noall +answer gotgoat.com mx
13:52<bdube>oops
13:53<dcraig>gotgoat.com. 3600 IN MX 10 gotgoat.com.
13:53<dcraig>gotgoat.com. 3600 IN MX 20 mx-backup.bdubeit.com.
13:53*bdube high fives dcraig
13:54<bdube>I'm going to try backup mx services from dns made easy
13:54<dcraig>I put linux in my mirc
13:54<dcraig>should work with any command
13:54<dcraig>have fun
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14:13<millisa>letsencrypt is all about phishing! site that sells ssl claims free ssl is bad! https://www.thesslstore.com/blog/lets-encrypt-phishing/ (it is still interesting for the numbers)
14:17<bdube>that's a lot of phishing certs
14:24<Nivex>there are bad actors on the Internet? unpossible!
14:26<grawity>there are bad sectors on my internet
14:34<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
14:42<dcraig>well, if you're going to give your paypal password to some phishing site, you don't want it to ALSO be intercepted by some other network while in transit to the phishing site
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14:48<arlen>!point dcraig
14:48<linbot>arlen: Point given to dcraig. (4)
14:48<Eliz>bdube: when you consider that against the number of total issued LE certificates, though
14:49<Eliz>https://letsencrypt.org/stats/ -- all of a sudden becomes very very tiny lol
14:49<Eliz>28.39 million active (non-expired) _90 day_ certificates.
15:08<bdube>Eliz: I'm a user and fan of letsencrypt
15:09<bdube>I agree with their stance that it's their job to issue certs, not police the use of those certs
15:09<bdube>but, whose job is it?
15:09<millisa>who's job is it to make sure I don't give my bank account info to some 'accountant' i met on the street?
15:10<bdube>yeah, it's the user's job but not all users are equipped to make that call
15:18<bdube>anyway, my certbot cron job just ran
15:21<bdube>and the outsourced mx backup service is working, so that frees up room for activities on that linode
15:34<Eliz>bdube: it's the job of the host to ensure they're not being abused, imo
15:34<Eliz>was just pointing out the numbers, is all
15:35<Eliz>it's not a lot of anything, really
15:35<JeremyE77>You guys. It takes $2.00 and an email address to get a rapidSSL cert. What makes that any better?
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15:36<JeremyE77>$2.00 is not much of a barrier
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15:40<bdube>Eliz: I don't see how that's different from saying it's letsencrypt's job to police the certs they issue
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15:50<Eliz>bdube: because Let's Encrypt's job is purely "does user have control of domain? check, issue domain validated certificate"
15:50<Eliz>vs the host's job is to serve the infringing data, which puts them liable to preventing abuse
15:51<Eliz>via abuse@host.com reports
15:51<Eliz>reporting a domain to letsencrypt, when it was validated, is moot, they can't take the content down, it'll still be served, it's the host that has that power
15:54<nate>First up, lets keep in mind that 'thesslstore' has pretty massive reasons to try and make LE look bad (they're owned by rapidweb services, who in turn own pretty much every 'cheap' SSL cert site around with exception of ssls.com)
15:54<nate>Second off, they're hardly one to call out another vendor for 'signing bad certs', as they most likely do it on a daily basis as well, but unlike LE which tries to have a lot of transparency, rapidweb does not :P
15:55<Eliz>nate: I think we all already agreed there
15:55<Eliz>nate: all I was disputing was bdube "that's a lot of certificates"
15:55<Eliz>when compared to almost 30million, it's tiny
15:56<nate>JeremyE77: for what it's worth what makes that better is for $2 you're at least getting a year-long cert that can be more effectively used w/ HPKP, LE certs are somewhat more difficult to use with that since they're 3 month certs
15:56<nate>Eliz: indeed
15:56<Eliz>nate: HPKP is irrelevant based on the cert though?
15:56<Eliz>you can reuse the private key..
15:56<dwfreed>HPKP is based on cert fingerprint
15:56<Eliz>iirc, HPKP is based on the private key of the certificate, no?
15:56<JeremyE77>nginx deals with LE's renewel and kpkp crap
15:56<dwfreed>which is more than just privkey
15:57<nate>Eliz: I'm talking about HPKP's intent to be 'long-term'
15:57<Eliz>oh, I was misremembering then
15:57<nate>Where as with LE you'd have to be cycling the HPKP fingerprints more regularly
15:58<Eliz>dwfreed: according to MDN, it's the public key, not the certificate's FP
15:58<Eliz>no?
15:58<dwfreed>yeah, just double checked
15:58<Eliz>so I was right, heh
15:58<Eliz>just don't rotate your private key every 90 days, nate
15:58<dwfreed>so as long as the public key stays the same (which it would if you don't change the private key), cert expiration doesn't matter
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15:59<Eliz>in my implementation of the ACME protocol in a client, I only rotate the key if 1) I revoked/marked it bad, or it's over a year in age, *shrug*
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16:00<JeremyE77>Pin the root if you lazy :P
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16:04<tbsaunde>does any of the linode nameservers have nat64 setup? or do you need to use someone elses nameservers?
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16:08<JeremyE77>Maybe I do not understand the need, but, cant you just use one of either ipv6 or ipv4? They answer on either.
16:09<tbsaunde>JeremyE77: I want to talk to an ipv4 only host from a ipv6 only container
16:09<JeremyE77>I see.
16:10<tbsaunde>so I could setup nat64 locally, but I'm lazy and why bother when other people already provide that
16:10<JeremyE77>HE.net
16:11<tbsaunde>yeah, that's basically what I did
16:13<arlen>hpkp is pretty easy with LE if you use acme
16:13<arlen>err sorry was scrolled up
16:14<JeremyE77>some nginx doodahs and a cron job and all the LE works itself :P
16:14<arlen>i dont think there are any nginx doodahs for hpkp
16:16<dwfreed>tbsaunde: you need dns64 *and* nat64 in order for anything to work; Linode does not provide that
16:18<tbsaunde>dwfreed: yes, but there appear to be public nameservers doing dns64 that point you at a machine doing nat64 for you
16:18<dwfreed>that sounds like an absolutely terrible idea
16:18<tbsaunde>so yes linode would need to provide both for that to work for me instead of having someone else do it
16:19<tbsaunde>why?
16:19<dwfreed>because they're seeing all the traffic flowing across them
16:19<dwfreed>so it adds another party you have to trust to not be sniffing and/or modifying traffic
16:20*JeremyE77 only trusts dwfreed
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16:20<tbsaunde>its probably only going to be for one site, and will be encrypted, so meh
16:21<dwfreed>and are you 100% positive the application you're using validates certs correctly?
16:21<dwfreed>(if at all?)
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16:21<tbsaunde>I'm not 100% sure of anything
16:22<JeremyE77>Welcome to life!~
16:22<tbsaunde>xactly
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16:23<dwfreed>I'm not sure why you'd want to add yet another thing you're not sure of to the mix then :P
16:23<tbsaunde>but you know if you find a cert verification issue in bitlbee or which ever ssl lib it uses I'm pretty sure you can find something better to do with it than spy on my twitter ;p
16:24*JeremyE77 smack dcraig upside the chest with the "M-P" of the encyclopedia Britannica!
16:24<tbsaunde>because the alternative is doing the wrok of setting up nat64 myself
16:24<dwfreed>it's not exactly hard
16:24<tbsaunde>sure, but >0
16:24<dwfreed>bind has a setting for the dns64 part
16:24<JeremyE77>couldnt you just nat on ipv4?
16:25<JeremyE77>IDK. I dont get into that stuff. I shut up now.
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16:25<tbsaunde>its just software /me shuts up too
16:26<JeremyE77>Well if you are shutting up...then I won't :P
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16:26<tbsaunde>:D
16:32<JeremyE77>I am going to start telling myself that. "It's just software."
16:32<JeremyE77>I don't think it will work.
16:37<tbsaunde>heh, the point is its possible, might just be extremely hard ;)
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16:49<grawity>the public DNS64 nameservers generally just point to the standard NAT64 prefix
16:49<grawity>which is not routed on the internet
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17:05<JeremyE77>I was just going to send feedback to a site that their "sticky menu" sticks to the wrong spot...but it covers their feedback form!
17:06<JeremyE77>Also I can't read the captchas (that aren't covered) anyway. :(
17:10<JeremyE77>I tweeted them :-/
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17:23<millisa>I get so few captchas right on the first or even second try that I worry that I'm a synth...
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17:24<arlen>I always get the street sign ones wrong
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17:25<arlen>no matter if I click the pipe for the sign or dont
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19:54<Eugene>This ain't a Linode, it's a _________
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20:03<millisa>arm64 strace? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/arm64/strace
20:14<internat>ill pay that
20:20<Eliz>Eugene: CAH much? :p
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20:52<dcraig>tryna use the B side of my linode
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20:54<arlen>flip the tape over
20:54<dcraig>I dun flipped it now what
20:54<arlen>push play
20:55<dcraig>thx
20:55<arlen>np
20:55<dcraig>booting now
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22:00<mmustac>aloha snackbar =P
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22:14<Jabed>hi, anyone know the specifications of the nodes that the singapore vps's run on?
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22:14<dwfreed>the same as all the other DCs
22:16<Jabed>what is that
22:16<Jabed>lol
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22:28<Jabed>anyone know?
22:30<dwfreed>relatively recent rather powerful Intel Xeons (usually 2690v3 or v4, iirc, but there might be some 2680v2s in there)
22:30<nate>I think the v2's are like super old, Xen shit no?
22:31<Jabed>how much Gbps ddos protection?
22:31<dwfreed>there isn't any
22:31<nate>none, much like most other providers.
22:31<nate>Real DDoS mitigation is expensive, never expect you're going to get it on a $10 VPS, lol
22:32<dwfreed>that said, with the transit upgrades, there's quite a bit that Linode can absorb without anybody noticing but you
22:34<Jabed>ah ok
22:34<Jabed>any idea when they are going to invest on ddos protection
22:34<dwfreed>they aren't
22:34<arlen>probably never
22:36<Jabed>ah ok
22:36<nate>Jabed: if you're expecting to need protection that bad, you're probably gonna wanna colo or find a dedi place w/ rentable mitigation hardware. Just expect to probably pay out the butt for anything good
22:42<shentino>ddos mitigation is a war of attrition
22:42<shentino>without an evil bit there's no good way to filter it since its a bandwidth muscle battle
22:43<shentino>the only reliable way to stop a ddos attack is for the authorities to decapitate the hive's queen
22:45<Jabed>cant linode make their systems like ovh / buyvm etc
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22:46<dwfreed>OVH has a very different network setup than Linode
22:46<dwfreed>and it took many many years for it to get that way
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23:32<praetorian>250 noobie
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23:44<bdube>the rdns on the ip of axfr1.linode.com made it look in my logs like something fucky was going on
23:45<Peng>The IPv6 rDNS is good! It's only the boring legacy IP that has the default rDNS. ;-)
23:45<Peng>And who uses *that* ;D
23:46<Peng>Waitaminnut, didn't axfr1.linode.com used to be 69.93.127.10? That IP still has axfr1.linode.com as rDNS
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