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00:00<microvb>https://blog.cpanel.com/securing-your-site-comodo-cpanel-autossl/
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00:04<allen>hi, just wondering if I can avail of the $10/month initially and upgrade it anytime to a higher specs without compromising my contents?
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00:04<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode <--easy. just takes a shutdown
00:05<allen>thanks
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00:09<microvb>"Symantec has severed ties with the four firms associated with the misissued certificates, so Chrome will trust new Symantec certificates going forward — site owners just need to swap out their old certificates for new ones." in more recent news --- acceptable !!!'
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00:16<microvb>as to what happened to everything but Comodo on ssls.com : https://helpdesk.ssls.com/hc/en-us/articles/214187585-Symantec-sunset-managing-certificates
00:17<Peng>microvb: Oh, thanks
00:18<microvb>Found the other company I deal with (mainly for Code signing certs, but looks like they are offering the RapidSSL wildcard cert cheaper than ssls.com was) : https://cheapsslsecurity.com/sslproducts/wildcardssl.html
00:19<microvb>Code signing cert is thawte
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01:03<Eugene>Every night I'm Linodin'
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01:09<grawity>microvb: ugh, I can't even read that ssls.com page without thinking of Zoidberg
01:10<grawity>http://imgur.com/a/BMlwJ
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06:46<JohnnyMon>hey
06:46<JohnnyMon>can i scale my linode vps anytime seamlessly?
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06:48<Peng>Yes. You have to shut down for a little while, though.
06:48<Peng>So... depends on how seamless you meant :P
06:50<JohnnyMon>will my IP etc change
06:51<grawity>the IP address stays as long as the linode remains in the same datacenter
06:52<grawity>the "etc" may or may not change depending on what, how, where, and when is being scaled
06:52<JohnnyMon>ok
06:53<JohnnyMon>does linode oversell
06:53<JohnnyMon>lol
06:53<ponas>their secret algorithm will make sure your host is not oversold
06:54<JohnnyMon>ok
06:55<JohnnyMon>how does linode compare to digitalocean & vultur in terms of performance
06:58<Meyer_>JohnnyMon: In my experience better
06:58<Meyer_>JohnnyMon: And more consistent
07:00<Meyer_>But I have not used vultr so much so I might just have been a bit unlucky with the couple of vm's i run there
07:02<JohnnyMon>ok
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07:21<Nishant>Dear Support Team, How much do you charge for Linode Managed server ?
07:23<Meyer_>Nishant: This is community support so I am not employed by Linode (I am a customer though). The price for managed is $100 per server and month if I recall correctly
07:24<Meyer_>!managed
07:24<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
07:24<Knofte>100 per month according to that url at least.
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07:37<Nishant>ok, so any linode server can be managed . For management extra cost is 100$ per month
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07:56<hays_>Quick question--does linode intend to sell browsing or other history to advertisers, and what is the retention policy for this information?
07:57<hays_>(USA customer)
07:57<hays_>I ask because it looks like its time to start using the VPN as a protest to this new law.
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08:03<nate>hays: Linode isn't an ISP in that manner, so I'm not sure the law applies to them. That said, you can protest it all you want, your ISP likely already has been selling that information if you look at your terms of agreement
08:03<nate>there wasn't really anything preventing them previously other than it seemed 'shady'
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08:05<nate>Past that, even if your ISP wants to, if you're doing stuff over TLS (ie; https://), there's pretty minimal info they can get from you anyways other than the base domain name, you're likely already being tracked and info-shared via the variety of analytical services around if you aren't using things like privacy badger, ublock, etc
08:06<infor>so how does https work? the isp knows i visited the domain but not what on it? like if i type https://xvideosdotcom/insert-random-thing-here then is the random thing the part ISP cannot see? thanks
08:06<Peng>yes
08:07<infor>wow much relief. https rocks. isp sux
08:08<infor>i <3 linode. too bad the server cant be used for malicious purposes
08:09<Knofte>haha
08:09<Peng>sadly Congress opposes malice
08:09<nate>I hear OVH and DO are more useful for that kind of stuff infor
08:09<infor>nate thanks. thats new info to me :)
08:09<infor>so they accept bitcoin?
08:09<nate>no idea, but I bet they'll totally let you do malicious stuffs
08:10<infor>lol. thats amazing. bye guys.
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08:10<Knofte>Another thought - Be good?
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08:13<Zimsky>Johnny be good.
08:13<Zimsky>nate is a nate
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08:13<Peng>nate: ...
08:13<Zimsky>big news
08:13<Zimsky>Peng: ...
08:14<Peng>nate: French Foreign Legion and the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York are gonna be after you and infor if you try something with DigitalOcean or OVH :P
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08:16<nate>Peng: I didn
08:16<nate>*I didn't do anything with them
08:16<nate>I just sent him to do it
08:16<nate>lol
08:17<nate>My like one-month experience with DO pretty much guarenteed I'll never use them again :P
08:17<Cromulent>that reminds me I still need to get a refund for my outstanding balance with DO
08:25<Zimsky>Peng: lol france and lol american legal system
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08:38<hays>nate: my understanding of it was that that was in the process of changing with the new FCC rules going into effect, and also that now with regulatory clarity, the amount and kind of information is likely to expand
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08:38<hays>but I guess I need to go to work, and don't really have time to have a good discussion about it, plus its probably OT.
08:39<hays>I wonder how Linode is classified and what their policies are
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08:39<hays>it is nice to see a transition in general on the web to https
08:40<Peng>Pff
08:40<Peng>I guess that's some sort of silver lining
08:41<Peng>Would've been worse if they'd done this 5 years ago :/
08:45<Cromulent>it is annoying that the latest versions of chrome have removed an easy way to view the SSL certificate details - in firefox it is dead easy
08:45<Cromulent>I always forget when my certs are going to expire
08:47<Peng>Someone tweeted that Chrome will add it back, but it may have been a joke
08:48<Cromulent>seems like a strange thing to remove in the first place - I mean it wasn't hurting anyone
08:48<ponas>there's no hard way either, right?
08:49<ponas>I figured they just moved it and my IQ was too low to spot the new location
08:50<Cromulent>I haven't been able to find it but frankly when I couldn't work it out in a short period of time I just used firefox to solve the problem
08:51<nate>hays: well it's basically making it so they can share stuff that obama originally said had to be opt-in
08:51<nate>ie; more 'sensitive' data
08:51<Peng>Security tab of the Dev Tools
08:51<Cromulent>ah thanks
08:51<nate>They were otherwise already allowed to share your traffic/etc data as long as there was an opt-out clause
08:52<Cromulent>seems a bit weird though that you have to open the dev tools to see the cert information
08:52<nate>Cromulent: Chrome?
08:52<Cromulent>yeah
08:53<nate>Yeah google thought that most of it's users were too stupid to understand SSL cert information anyways so like most things in google logic, they simply got rid of it
08:53<nate>lol
08:53<hays>it makes some sense, although i agree. i think non-devs might be interested in the certificate. i mean its a small amount of 'power users' but still
08:53<nate>Sure but no reason for them to gimp it out completely seeing as the only people who would normally be seeing it anyways are those who would make the few extra clicks to do so
08:54<nate>however it also takes out the ability for site owners to ask users to screenshot certificate information in their browser in attempts to potentially troubleshoot issues
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09:00<hays>yeah, another good point
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11:22<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:25<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Supporters payments <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14675&p=73120#p73120>
11:25<@jalter>!point Eugene
11:25<linbot>jalter: Point given to eugene. (19)
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13:45<Kingu_>Assuming no, but does Linode support CAA records in DNS?
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13:46<@mcintosh>Kingu_: not at this time
13:46<dwfreed>you can use them as a slave, though
13:46<dwfreed>and that will work
13:47<Kingu_>Use them as a slave? Must be beyond my pay grade ;) Not sure how you would configure such a thing.
13:48<Kingu_>I see the slave option in DNS manager, but never used it or configured one previously
13:49<dzho>not that I've done this, but have thought about it. You'd run your DNS elsewhere, and configure it to allow zone transfers to linode's servers.
13:50<Kingu_>ohh.. ok, that makes sense. Its not that large of a deal yet, since its still fairly new
13:51<Kingu_>Just thought I would ask, since there is only one forum post asking the same thing that was never answered.
13:52<relidy>Popular topic recently. microvb was asking about it yesterday as well.
13:53<Kingu_>Surprising how many people are in here.
13:53<relidy>Kingu_: http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2017/03/28#17:11
13:56<dwfreed>a lot of people idle here and never speak
13:56<Kingu_>Interesting read. Not about to configure BIND. My needs aren't that complex
14:10<Cromulent>oh just googled CAA records - sounds interesting
14:10<Cromulent>never heard of them before
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14:59<natanfelles>Can I translate the Linode Docs to other language and host it in GitHub Pages?
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15:00<natanfelles>Can I translate the Linode Docs to other language and host it in GitHub Pages?
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15:03<Eugene>I want to know what IR Clogs are
15:03<Eugene>Is it a type of heated shoe?
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15:34<illusionld>Can I use this chat for Linode account assistance specifically to remove MFA?
15:35<@nbrewer>illusionld: no
15:35<dwfreed>you have to email support@linode.com for that
15:35<illusionld>will do thank you.
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15:42<millisa>chrome they moved it under dev tools
15:43<millisa>view->developer->developer tools->security tab -> has the 'view certificate' button that we all miss and love
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15:46<dwfreed>millisa: ?
15:47<millisa>i was stuck in scrollback; they were talking about the security check in chrome not giving details anymore.
15:47<dwfreed>ah
15:49<relidy>I still don't understand why they removed it from the address bar drop down.
15:50<millisa>I consider it an error.
15:50<relidy>I'll second that sentiment.
15:51<millisa>just like when windows moved 'right click my computer', 'click computer management' no longer bringing up 'computer management', but instead brings up server manager . .which I then Have to go to tools and pick . .computer management
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15:51<millisa>i can feel my blood pressure come up everytime I go through the process. its about the same when i click on the little lock in chrome and realize "I cant even click through here to get to what I want"
15:52<atrus>https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=663971 is relevent
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15:54<relidy>I don't see how viewing the certificate details is a "developer concern" only.
15:54<relidy>Particularly on broken certificates.
15:54<millisa>leave the button where it was did nothing to make it harder for any class of user to look at the data they have there now. their reasoning is just flawed
15:56<arlen>if only a developer cared about it, then they should've taken everything else listed
15:57<relidy>Huh, apparently the Dev Tools can be disabled via policy. That's ... a problem.
15:57<staticsafe>how is that a problem?
15:58<relidy>If the only place you can view the certificate details is in Dev Tools, good luck viewing certificate details.
15:59<staticsafe>how is group policy toggles a problem for the majority of users?
15:59<dwfreed>even 99% of companies deploying chrome don't use the group policy toggles very much, if at all
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16:00<relidy>I'm not saying having the ability to disable the tools is a bad thing. I'm simply stating that if Chrome's going to hide security info in the tools, there needs to still be a way of viewing that info even if the tools have been disabled.
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16:01<millisa>i still argue that it should be the top think you can click on if you click on the little lock. it should have 'details about this connection and certificate' and that's it.
16:01<millisa>s/think/thing/
16:01<relidy>It's the GNOME-ification of Chrome.
16:12<microvb>i agree it used to be but google changed it to be different
16:13<microvb>it just makes sense to be able to click to padlock to inspect the certificate/chain/cipher used etc
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17:28<linbot>New news from status: Newark Core Router code upgrade <https://status.linode.com/incidents/qhqzv1bsc2bg>
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17:29<relidy>Someone got a little quick on that submit button. "Scheduled" and two updates with the same content?
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17:38<linbot>New news from status: Newark Core Router Code Upgrade <https://status.linode.com/incidents/27snz80lc8q2>
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17:41<@mquatrani>relidy: fixed. ty!
17:42*relidy cheers
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18:22<Bilal>Hi everyone
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18:22<millisa>Greetings
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18:23<Bilal>I am new here, I run a forum website on vbulletin which has around 200k daily unique visitors and very busy site it is - its on 5 dedicated servers with load balancer and firewall (it gets attacked a lot )
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18:24<Bilal>Cloud on Linode is a good option for us ?
18:24<millisa>much larger sites run fine on linode
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18:25<Bilal>should we build one cloud server for files and web server and another one for database , and scale them as we like?
18:26<SleePy2>Why does the kernels page (https://www.linode.com/kernels) show 4.9.15, while the latest kernel in the profile has 4.9.7?
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18:26<millisa>Bilal: personally I like having web/db separate, but it's not like you *have* to
18:26<Bilal>millisa: how about firewall and security from DOS attacks and other attempts?
18:28<millisa>you'd need to do that on your own.
18:28<millisa>I'd assume you'd have firewalld/iptables on the systems that you could control inbound access howeever you'd like
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18:31<Bilal>okie millisa thanks for your input
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18:45<@mcintosh>SleePy: kernels spend a period of time in testing before we mark them as "latest" in Manager
18:45<@mcintosh>4.9.15 is available to select, though
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20:10<SleePy>mcintosh: Thanks. Ok, I thought they showed up fairly quickly. Must only do that to major security releases
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20:20<Guest30>?
20:20<linbot>Guest30: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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20:30<@mquatrani>lol bad linbot
20:31<linbot>mquatrani: pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
20:32<@mquatrani>o.O
20:33<Eugene>Ur a bot
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22:17<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Fail2Ban to protect Apache from brute force? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14676&p=73121#p73121>
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