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---Logopened Thu Mar 30 00:00:46 2017
00:03<JamesTK>is it cost effective to turn my $10 linode into two $5 linode's
00:03<JamesTK>they can multiply
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00:17<millisa>$10 + linode backups = $12.50. (2) 5$ linodes + backups for both = $14
00:18<Peng>But it's 30 GB of disk space vs. 40 GB of disk space
00:20<millisa>and an extra core
00:21<Peng>But perhaps with worse contention
00:24<millisa>sounds worth it for me, even with extra buck fifty
00:24<millisa>it's factorio time! g'night.
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00:40<jtheis>For some reason, I'm able to SSH into my linode, but I can't FTP via FileZilla
00:40<jtheis>what silly noob thing might I be doing wrong
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00:41<FluffyFoxeh>if you're trying to do SFTP, you need to use port 22
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00:42<FluffyFoxeh>perhaps that's the problem?
00:42<jtheis>yeah, ive been entering port 22
00:42<FluffyFoxeh>and when you say you can't, what do you mean
00:42<FluffyFoxeh>does it connect?
00:42<FluffyFoxeh>is there an authentication failure?
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00:43<jtheis>Error: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey) Error: Could not connect to server
00:43<jtheis>is that an auth error?
00:43<FluffyFoxeh>sounds like FileZilla needs your private key
00:43<FluffyFoxeh>I forget where you have to add it
00:44<jtheis>hm. ok, I had this set up at one point. I've used it before (but its been a few weeks/months)
00:44<jtheis>does it just... lose it over time? or maybe after an update?
00:44<FluffyFoxeh>it shouldn't
00:45<FluffyFoxeh>go to edit->settings->SFTP
00:45<FluffyFoxeh>and add your private key file (which should be in ~/.ssh/id_rsa)
00:45<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, I just installed it to check that
00:45<jtheis>ha ha thanks!
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00:52<jtheis>hm, its complaining that that key file isn't in the right format for filezilla. ok to convert it?
00:52<jtheis>im on a mac, BTW if that matters
00:54<FluffyFoxeh>works fine with my openSSH key
00:54<FluffyFoxeh>(made with ssh-keygen)
00:54<zifnab>!metar ksea
00:54<linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KSEA: 46.4F/08C, visibility 10 miles, wind 12.66 mph, chill 40.69F (altimeter: 29.98) [KSEA 300439Z 20011KT 10SM BKN020 BKN024 08/05 A2998 RMK AO2 T00780050]
00:55<zifnab>!metar kbtm
00:55<linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KBTM: 42.8F/06C, visibility 10 miles, wind 0.00 mph, chill N/A (altimeter: 29.92) [KBTM 300353Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM -RA OVC050 06/03 A2992 RMK AO2 RAE16B47 SLP125]
00:55<Ikaros>!metar kdfw
00:55<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 60.8F/16C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph, chill 58.30F (altimeter: 29.84) [KDFW 300353Z 31014KT 10SM FEW095 16/08 A2984 RMK AO2 SLP099 T01560083 $]
00:55<zifnab>I should fly somewhere warm this weekend
00:55<Ikaros>Well that maintenance indicator is no surprise I guess.
00:56<zifnab>Maintenance indicator?
00:56<Ikaros>The "$" in the string
00:56<Ikaros>That indicates some sensor needs maintenance
00:56<zifnab>This protocol never ceases to amaze me
00:56<zifnab>It's so simplistic
00:56<Ikaros>Usually that appears, and you can assume the possibility that some pieces of data may be inaccurate
00:56<G_>zifnab: NZ is fairly warm atm
00:56<zifnab>And yet contains information
00:56<G_>!metar NZAA
00:57<linbot>G_: [metar] OBS at NZAA: 68.0F/20C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 10.36 mph, chill 68.29F (altimeter: 30.091052677) [NZAA 300430Z AUTO 22009KT 9999 FEW031/// 20/17 Q1019 NOSIG]
00:57<Ikaros>But yeah that indicator showing up doesn't surprise me.
00:57<zifnab>G_ that's a 13 hour flight though
00:57<Ikaros>A lot of stuff is offline around these parts still
00:57<Ikaros>Especially after last night/wee hours this morning
00:57<G_>zifnab: that doesn't sound like a big issue ;)
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00:59<Zimsky>!taf BIKF
00:59<Zimsky>!wx BIKF
00:59<linbot>Zimsky: [metar] OBS at BIKF: 33.8F/01C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 27.01F (altimeter: ) [BIKF 300430Z 05007KT CAVOK 01/M02 Q1004]
01:00<Ikaros>Oh right, someone ended up with a tree branch crashing through their bedroom ceiling in their home last night.
01:00<Ikaros>Believe it was west of here
01:02<jtheis>Thank you so much FluffyFoxeh! I'm back in business now! :)
01:02<FluffyFoxeh>great :)
01:02<FluffyFoxeh>what was the problem by the way?
01:02<FluffyFoxeh>with the key format
01:05<jtheis>oh Im not sure. when I grabbed the id_rsa key, FIleZilla said it wasnt in the right format, but could convert it
01:05<jtheis>so I did
01:05<jtheis>so I now have 2 keyfiles, the original and the converted one to appease filezilla
01:06<jtheis>hopefully that wont hose anything. big time mac/linux n00b here
01:06<FluffyFoxeh>oh okay
01:06<FluffyFoxeh>that'll be fine
01:10<jtheis>*whew* :)
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01:22<Ajay>I would like to install SSL cert to my linode
01:22<Ajay>For that i need to create CSR.
01:22<Ajay>How can i create CSR
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01:23<Peng>Why not use ?
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01:24<Ajay>My Boss tell me to use Gandi SSL certificate
01:25<Ikaros>Your boss is a moron.
01:25<FluffyFoxeh>is Gandi bad
01:25<Ikaros>Nobody said that either
01:25<FluffyFoxeh>then why is one a moron for suggesting it
01:25<Ikaros>There are simply much easier alternative solutions
01:25<FluffyFoxeh>who cares tho
01:25<Peng>I care
01:27<Peng>also Gandi is a sponsor of Let's Encrypt :D
01:28<Ikaros>I imagine Gandi has some sort of process that details how to go about obtaining an SSL cert from them. Matter of fact don't they still offer that whole "free 1 year Gandi SSL" with domain purchase/transfer?
01:28<Ikaros>Been a while since I bothered to look
01:29<FluffyFoxeh>CSRs are pretty standard..
01:29<Ikaros>I imagine though that most reputable certificate authorities automate at least a significant portion of generating that request.
01:29<Ikaros>Others, have walkthroughs on the format they expect a CSR to be in
01:29<FluffyFoxeh>I think Comodo or whatever gave me an openssl command to run
01:29<Ajay>Do i need to contact Gandi for CRS
01:30<Peng> for example
01:30<Peng>Ajay: No.
01:30<Peng>Ajay: Why not use ?
01:30<Ikaros>There you go, knew they had documentation on that
01:30<Ikaros>Peng because his boss apparently refuses to use anything other than Gandi SSL
01:30<FluffyFoxeh>he didn't say that
01:30<Ajay>Exactaly Ikaros
01:30<FluffyFoxeh>oh now he did
01:31<Ikaros>Nothing wrong with Gandi although there's better alternatives
01:31<Peng>Is there a reason for this, or does your boss want to waste money and arguably make it more difficult than necessary?
01:31<Ikaros>Or perhaps his boss is not aware of Let's Encrypt
01:31<Peng>Perhaps their boss could be informed!
01:32<Peng>Ikaros: Gandi's docs suggest they do still offer free certificates, if you're curious.
01:34<Peng> offers any number of alternate tutorials
01:34<Ikaros>Peng, not all that curious, since I've deployed Let's Encrypt across my SSL-secured services.
01:35<Ikaros>My last Startcom cert expired last month
01:35<Ikaros>And that made it 100% LE
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01:36<Peng>I still have not-yet-expired WoSign certificates
01:36<Peng>I don't *use* them anymore but i *have* them
01:36<FluffyFoxeh>enjoy browser errors
01:37<FluffyFoxeh>but it's k, i just use it so people don't snoop my munin password on school wifi :p
01:38<FluffyFoxeh>or my email password, which would be worse
01:38*arlen snoops FluffyFoxeh
01:38<FluffyFoxeh>snoop foxx
01:38<Peng>FluffyFoxeh: Why not Let's Encrypt or another CA?
01:39<FluffyFoxeh>Peng: basically I wanted to learn how to make a root certificate and sign other certs with it
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01:40<FluffyFoxeh>and nobody else uses such things on my servers anyway, so it's fine if I have to add my own root cert
01:40*Peng nods
01:40<Ikaros>I do that locally for my client SSL
01:41<Peng>Don't you know learning is BAD
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02:52<G_>hmmmm, the previous discussion has just made me remember that I think my mail server still uses a long dated GeoTrust (Symantec) cert... that'll be fun with Chrome's proposal...
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03:15<G_>Oh, Comodo, thank god
03:23<Knofte>G_: Maybe time to take a look at ?
03:23<G_>Knofte, I've got until 2019 :P
03:24<G_> Not Before: Apr 18 00:00:00 2014 GMT
03:24<G_> Not After : Apr 17 23:59:59 2019 GMT
03:24<G_>I just thought it was under one of the Symantec owned roots, not Comodo
03:25<Knofte>This might be a longshot, but has anyone here had problems with apache2.4 and SSL slow performance? Looks like there´s multiple threads about it, but i can't find a good solution. Tired disabling sslstapling to no avail, perhaps someone here has has similar issue..?
03:25<Knofte>G_: Well, looks like you're safe for a while.
03:47<kyhwana>Knofte: define slow performance?
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04:02<Peng>G_: I hope it's not an SHA-1 certificate...
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04:14<Knofte>kyhwana: around 900ms to handle SSL connection, usually it's way less, not above 100ms.
04:14<kyhwana>Knofte: what ciphersuite?
04:14<Knofte>kyhwana: i disabled older ciphers etc.
04:14<Knofte>one sec.
04:15<kyhwana>does apache do http2 yet?
04:15<Peng>What kind of key exchange and certificate?
04:15<Peng>To the SSL Labs-mobile!
04:15<Knofte>http2 not supported in this version without nghttp.
04:15<Knofte>cipher: ALL:+HIGH:+TLSv1:!ADH:!EXP:!SSLv2:!MEDIUM:!LOW:!NULL:!aNULL
04:15<Knofte>kyhwana: i'm also thinking the same thing, urnning nginx instead, however cust-machine, so not sure I'll push that through.
04:15<Knofte>protocols: –ALL +TLSv1 +TLSv1.1 +TLSv1.2
04:16<Peng>What's the site? Link to SSL Labs?
04:16<Knofte>Peng: SSL Labs doesn't really report errors or speed test though.
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04:17<Knofte>however i'm getting a B gratde
04:17<Peng>Indeed, but it reports basic details of the configuration.
04:17<Peng>It's possible something stands out. Like 16k Diffie-Hellman :P
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04:38<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Add KVM configuration for Xen-based Linode <>
04:40<G_>Peng: Signature Algorithm: sha256WithRSAEncryption
04:48<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Let's encrypt bash script! <>
04:50<nate>kyhwana: I thought apache was one of the first to do HTTP/2 and SPDY stuff?
04:51<nate>Knofte: Are you sure it's just your SSL stuff? And not backend loads puffing it up? Also B grade is bad, fix yo' stuff :P
04:51<G_>yeah, is it slow accessing index.html :P
04:52<G_>or a 404 page (that doesn't rely on db lookups to generate the 404)
04:53<nate>G_: That's irrelevant, if you have DB oriented stuff on your server putting loads past max, or anything else, even delivering something as simple as a static index.html is going to be impacted, it is still processing the httpd has to do :P
04:53<nate>or if your httpd software is doing a lot of other stuff and maybe isn't configured the best of ways to where it starts queue'ing requests, etc
04:53<G_>nate: yeah, it's not a completely accurate test, but it cuts out any middleware/etc you have past the webserver :)
04:54<nate>At least at a fast glance up, it sounds like you're stating that suddenly initial stuff over https:// is doing stuff it wasn't before, which if you haven't changed anything in the https:// the logic would be that it's something else causing it :P
04:56<Peng>Knofte PMed me the site; i think the main -- or possibly only -- issue is distance.
04:57<Knofte>yeah it was wrong of me, site was hosted in other place than initaiily mentioned. all sorted, cheers.
04:59<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • How do I configure dynamic IP on my server? <>
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05:29<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • Simple monitoring solution <>
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05:49<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • WordPress Installation not working <>
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06:09<JamesTK>someone buy me two hundred $5 linodes
06:09<Peng>Pay me $10,000 first
06:10<JamesTK> that for 10 months? or do you just pocket $9k
06:11<Peng>An interesting question
06:29<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Backups cause disk I/O warning email <>
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09:08<Gow91>Hi, i am trying to implement SFTP jailbans
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09:09<Gow91> what i want is the path to be var/www/username instead of restricting home directory of the user how can i go about that.
09:09<Gow91>So what should i substitute for ChrootDirectory %h
09:11<dwfreed>you need to set their home directory to wherever you're chrooting them to, because sftp will cd to the home directory by default, and if that's not at least under the ChrootDirectory, it will break out of the chroot on its own
09:14<Gow91>user mod -d directoryname username
09:14<Gow91>i guess this should work fine right?
09:17<Gow91>Thanks for that, so i can restrict one user to their own home directory and other to www. Thanks for all your help.
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09:46<loki>hi, need a favour
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09:47<linbot>Guest52: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
09:47<Guest52>we are using linode for some time, and recently the server is regularly hitting high memory thresholds, because of which app is going down regularly
09:48<@nbrewer>Guset52: you could switch to a Linode with higher memory, but you'll probably want to take a look at your app and figure out why it's using so much.
09:48<@nbrewer>Guest52: ^
09:48<Guest52>if i want increase the resources for the app, how much time does it take to reflect?
09:48<@nbrewer>It requires some downtime since your Linode has to be migrated to a new host machine:
09:49<@nbrewer>Generally it's a matter of minutes, but the amount of time varies depending on the size of your Linode's disks.
09:49<Guest52>also I heard there will be some downtime, what will be exact downtime?
09:49<@nbrewer>You will receive an estimate before you confirm the resize
09:49<dwfreed>the estimate is *very* conservative, though
09:49<@nbrewer>that's true
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09:50<Guest52>can it be done in hours?
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09:51<Guest52>like 2-3 hours?
09:51<DrJ>it depends on how much disk space you are using Guest52
09:51<Meyer_>Guest52: How large are your disks?
09:51<@nbrewer>Unless you have a really large Linode, the answer is probably no
09:51<DrJ>but generally for most people it will take less than 20 minutes
09:51<@nbrewer>and if you have a Linode of that size and you're still OOMing, you really need to look at your app anyway..
09:53<Meyer_>nbrewer: Does your customer generally allocate all storage? I tend to not do that on my Linodes just to make migations quicker. Only allocate what I need with a bit of a buffer. A bit curious how other customers do this
09:53<Celti>Last time I had my Linode transferred to a new host it took maybe two minutes, because Linode is awesome.
09:53<DrJ>Last one I moved was around 40GB and I think it was around 10 minutes
09:54<dwfreed>Meyer_: 99% of Linode users allocate all of their storage space
09:54<Meyer_>dwfreed: I see
09:55<dwfreed>(and subsequently get very confused when they go to restore from the Linode Backup Service and it says they don't have any space available)
09:55<Meyer_>We do not. So plenty of free space on linodes hosts then ;)
09:55<dwfreed>storage is reserved anyway, so the hosts always have enough space for the Linodes on them
09:56<Meyer_>Yeah, makes sense
09:56<Meyer_>Hmm. I wonder how big my biggest linode is
09:57<Meyer_>81920 ones it seems like for the biggest ones
09:59<Meyer_>but all of them with less than 70GB allocated
09:59<Meyer_>quick migrations
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10:40<Kite>hello, I would like to know when will be available the block storage service, thanks.
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10:41<@jalter>Kite: We don't have an official launch date yet, but we are working on it
10:43<Kite>is there an approximate date at least?
10:44<@jalter>Not yet. We usually have betas available for new products which are discussed on our forums
10:44<@jalter>If you're interested in testing it, that would be a good area to watch
10:45<Kite>we need it in production but testing would be nice for now
10:45<@jalter>It'll be soon hopefully. I'm looking forward to testing it myself :)
10:48<DrJ>in the last blog post they hinted at a couple months I think
10:49<DrJ>"Stay tuned; in the coming months we’ll be releasing into beta our new Linode Manager, RESTful API, and block storage service."
10:49<DrJ>posted Feb 14th
10:49<dwfreed>"coming months" doesn't really provide any sort of timeline
10:49<dwfreed>the months 90 years from now are coming too
10:52<Peng>dwfreed: Not if my doomsday time laser works
10:53<atrus>wait, is that a laser for doomsday-time, a laser made out of time, or a laser that destroys time?
11:00<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • separate Web server & DB server and connect via private IP <>
11:13<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:46<Danyal>Its linode support?
11:47<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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12:20<khanh>Could i buy additional storage for vps
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12:21<Peng>Not yet
12:21<Peng>A block storage product is in development
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12:24<khanh>So i need to wait till it works :v
12:24<FluffyFoxeh>Release date: Soon™
12:24<khanh>Hope so :v
12:24<khanh>i cant wait any more :D
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15:27<dandarolt>I have one doubt
15:27<dandarolt>I've cancelled one server from you
15:28<dandarolt>and I don't have any other services/servers with you
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15:29<dandarolt>Should I cancel more things to stop any eventual charges?
15:29<millisa>a linode account with no linodes or linode services would have no bill
15:30<dandarolt>ok, so I could keep my account with you
15:31<millisa>The blue box in this section is relevant:
15:31<arlen>note you'll get one last bill for any unpaid charges
15:32<arlen>the account tab will show if you have any
15:32<dandarolt>will I receive the money back?
15:33<dwfreed>if you have a credit, you can ask support to refund it
15:34<dandarolt>so I guess I'll have to submit a ticket
15:34<dandarolt>to get refund
15:34<dandarolt>thank you guys
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15:40*arlen high fives everyone
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15:49<Eugene>That's insensitive to amputees
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21:17<microvb>So many chiefs in here.
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21:35<rebit905>Is there a customer service staff?
21:36<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
21:39<rebit905>Please recover the server and recover the server's image.
21:40<Peng>What happened?
21:40<dzho>somebody set us up the bomb
21:40<Peng>Check the "Manage Images" page.
21:41<Peng>File a support ticket.
21:41<Nivex>dzho: ha! I was just watching some of those old flash animations earlier today.
21:42<dzho>make your time
21:43<dzho>Nivex: the other nearly autonomous trigger/response is "what time is it?"
21:43<dzho>It's shooooowwwwwwwtime!
21:44<rebit905>Support Ticket 7737961 regarding account 'CHEN WANG KEN' has been updated by 'jchism'
21:50<Nivex>rebit905: Be patient. Someone will answer your ticket. No one in this channel can help you.
21:51<rebit905>Thank you.
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22:20<ayiconnection>Hi there, could you help me understand if I can generate a CSR code through Linode?
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22:22<ayiconnection>Ok thanks a lot. .I will contact them
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22:23<Peng>Contact who? Why?
22:23<ayiconnection>Is there a way I can generate it myself?
22:23<Peng>What do you mean by "CSR code"? A CSR to get an SSL certificate?
22:24<ayiconnection>I was going to contact support hehehehe
22:24<Peng>Why not use with a client that handles the low-level details?
22:25<Peng>Yes, you can generate a CSR.
22:26<ayiconnection>OK let me look around the site
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23:35<Swabby>Hello, If you use a service like ServerPilot can you go in and still modify things like firewall?
23:40<arlen>would be a question for serverpilot
23:41<Swabby>thanks arlen. I'm tempted to manage it myself but services like serverpilot make it so much easier.
23:41<Swabby>esp. to stage new sites.
23:41<arlen>Linode doesn't do anything to stop you from doing it, whether or not that messes up serverpilot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:41<Swabby>arlen: nice :)
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