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---Logopened Sat Apr 01 00:00:49 2017
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00:32<arlen>happy linode billing day
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00:37<FluffyFoxeh>the invoice is just an April Fools joke right
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00:42<arlen>yup
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01:01<millisa>so I get several linode invoices each month. at 23:17 the first one came in, and 23 mins later, 23:40, the next one - the invoice number was 41037 higher. then one 6 minutes later, invoice number 14462 higher than the last.
01:01<millisa>somewhere close to 1900 invoices a minute?
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01:05<arlen>hmm
01:06<millisa>looked at last month. invoices came in at about the same rate (3 mins earlier last month). counts around the same - 55k difference in invoice#'s across 29 minutes
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01:06<arlen>gotta get paid
01:07<millisa>I just hope the script doing the work has a 'cha-ching' wav linked to it that can't be muted.
01:07<arlen>lol
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01:10<millisa>the variation between 1 month and the next month's invoice number is much greater.
01:10<millisa>though they do appear to be sequential
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01:57<zifnab>millisa: its more fun to take your current invoice id, last months invoice id, and guess how many customers there are
01:58<zifnab>there's at least 184,655 invoices a month
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01:59<zifnab>heh, i should spreadsheet this
01:59<FluffyFoxeh>lol
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02:03<Linguica>i count 184,630
02:09<zifnab>https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Q4YGbfTT/things.JPG
02:10<Linguica>is that a decreasing time axis
02:10<zifnab>sorry
02:10<zifnab>you are correct, that is not good
02:10<zifnab>it should also be a line chart
02:11<FluffyFoxeh>the jpeg hurts
02:15<zifnab>https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/t5jcJ2dP/things.JPG
02:15<Linguica>so its actually going down?
02:16<zifnab>could be any number of things there, i've gotten invoices mid months a few of these months
02:16<zifnab>its a horrible unaccurate metric
02:18<zifnab>average monthly increase is 3830 invoices. median is -441.
02:23<Linguica>http://i.imgur.com/TrHrJvu.png heres mine
02:32<Linguica>at that rate linode only has 22 years before it has 0 customers
02:32<Linguica>on the plus side they wont ever have to deal with y2038
02:33<millisa>the key piece of data missing that I really want to plug in is the average customer bill
02:35<millisa>the recent graphs seem to show that the $5 and high mem boxes may have been effective marketing
02:35<Linguica>wheres the block storage
02:39<zifnab>my assumption is always "more than lowest plan"
02:39<zifnab>i mean, old old bills are $20 plans
02:39<zifnab>so thats 2mil/mo
02:40<millisa>I'd even believe the average is higher
02:40<zifnab>yup
02:42<millisa>in any case. the pattern caught my eye and looked interesting. but now it is ambien time. g'night.
02:42<zifnab>don't sleep walk anywhere :P
02:42<millisa>sleep amazoning is far more dangerous.
02:43<zifnab>...almost as dangerous as leaving alexa logged in when you have friends over
02:43<zifnab>"alexa, please order me a large box of finger condoms":
02:43<millisa>https://m.xkcd.com/1807/
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03:04<Peng>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/genius-6-year-old-uses-sleeping-moms-thumbprint-to-order-on-amazon_us_586288dbe4b0de3a08f6183f
03:04<Peng>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/girl-buys-dollhouse-4-pounds-of-cookies-with-amazon-echo_us_586fad33e4b02b5f858860b3
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04:38<shentino>question: how does the GRUB kernel work?
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04:39<kvm234>it is a bunch of code that gets executed
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05:58<Celti>shentino: It loads a GRUB image that reads the /boot/grub/grub.cfg from your Linode's disk to find a kernel to load.
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09:45<shentino>Celti: How does it know where to find the /boog/grub/grub.cfg?
09:47<Celti>...because it's at /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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11:23<Zimsky>lol /boog/grub/grub.cfg
11:24<Zimsky>I'm going to reconfigure my system to use /boog
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11:51<Phanes>does linode support vpn's?
11:53<@abrining>Phanes we have no problems with the use of a Linode as a VPN, as long as the use of it is within our Terms of Service https://www.linode.com/tos
11:56<Phanes>i'd like to create a vpn that cycles through outbound endpoint IPs for test simulations (perf testing my own systems)
11:56<Phanes>technically function testing
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12:00<Phanes>abrining, this is what I'd like to build: http://i.imgur.com/fOa68Ox.png
12:04<Zimsky>you'd probably have to get multiple linodes, assuming this is over v4, since you might not be able to get technical justification for multiple ipv4 addresses
12:07<Phanes>HRM
12:07<Phanes>well
12:07<Phanes>is there a way to prepare a custom image for a linode
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12:11<Celti>Phanes: You can boot from the rescue image and dd it onto your disks over the network.
12:11*Celti has done similar things to install CoreOS on Linode
12:12<Phanes>ok maybe best to host the vpn on linode and the vpn clients on aws
12:14*Phanes does not understand why a service he is paying requires internal project justification for any feature imaginable
12:15<Celti>Hm?
12:15<Phanes>does "our project BA added it to our development timeline" work
12:15<Phanes>or is linode in the business of architecting their clients' solutions
12:15<Celti>Where is Linode asking you for justification for anything besides IPv4 addresses?
12:15<Phanes>^
12:16<Celti>IPv4 addresses are a tremendously limited resource. Nearly any provider out there will require technical justification for them.
12:16<Phanes>im not worried about ipv4 v ipv6
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12:18<Celti>So run your simulations over IPv6. Linode doesn't require justification for them and will happily assign you more than you could possibly use.
12:20<Phanes>kind of would like this to be algorithmic
12:20<Phanes>i can emulate user spread that way
12:21<Celti>Okay?
12:21<FluffyFoxeh>then get coding
12:21<FluffyFoxeh>:p
12:21<Phanes>can the API do this?
12:21<Phanes>change IP end point for a VPN?
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12:39<wys>Hi, is the Trial Linode as described at https://blog.linode.com/2013/02/28/create-a-free-account-and-trial-linodes/ available anymore?
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12:43<@mcintosh>no - but we offer a 7 day money back guarantee when you signup
12:43<@mcintosh>it's similar
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12:47<wys>except i need a card to see if i even like the service. i know i probably will, but i've already wasted too much money this year on services i changed my mind about right after paying for them. thank you anyway.
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12:52<Linguica>you require some minimal show of good faith on my part? GOOD DAY SIR,
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12:57<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:00<@abrining>!point Eugene
13:00<linbot>abrining: Point given to eugene. (20)
13:00<Zimsky>!unpoint Eugene
13:00<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from eugene! (19)
13:01<Zimsky>I was not expecting that to work
13:01<Eugene>!lick Zimsky
13:01<linbot>Eugene: Point given to zimsky. (2)
13:01<Zimsky>!kick Eugene
13:01<Zimsky>I don't want points
13:01<Zimsky>the day that providers, ISPs, etc exhaust their own LIR allocations will be interesting
13:02<Zimsky>I wonder if some day in the future, IPv4 will be retired
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13:11<Celti>In the future? Probably. The *near* future? Undoubtedly not.
13:11<Celti>And even "retired" standards have a habit of sticking around and annoying sysadmins for decades.
13:12<Peng>I have a feeling there will be a long tail of laziness and CGN.
13:13<Peng>Once you convert major services, CDNs, Skype, game servers, etc., to IPv6, crappy CGN boxes can handle what's left.
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13:14<Celti>Don't forget the Internet of Things
13:15<Peng>D:
13:15<Celti>very few such devices speak IPv6 today
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13:15<Peng>:<
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13:16<Linguica>php-fpm likes to forget how to do dns requests over ipv6
13:16<Linguica>its a grand old time
13:17<Celti>Really? I've never had that happen.
13:17<Celti>Well, not that I've noticed.
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13:40<Harsha>Hello all
13:40<Harsha>Error: Message failed: 550 URIBL domains were found: linode.com. at SMTPConnection._formatError (/opt/dev-manager/node_modules/smtp-connection/lib/smtp-connection.js:528:15) at SMTPConnection._actionSMTPStream (/opt/dev-manager/node_modules/smtp-connection/lib/smtp-connection.js:1358:30) at SMTPConnection.<anonymous> (/opt/dev-manager/node_modules/smtp-connection/lib/smtp-connection.js:854:18) at SMTPConnection._processResponse (/opt/dev-manag
13:40<Harsha>getting this message on my linode machine.
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13:41<Harsha>se advice on how to solve this.
13:41<Harsha>*please
13:43<millisa>without more info, it looks like a code issue?
13:44<millisa>is there some context that error occurs in?
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13:48<Celti>At a guess I would say some mailserver is complaining that linode.com is in the URIBL blacklist and the application doesn't know how to handle that
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13:48<millisa>didn't see it when I checked mxtoolbox and uribl.com. but I'm not sure that means anything in this case.
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14:43<h33>does anyone know if it is possible to launch multiple linodes from saved images simultaneously?
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17:29<toshiro>hello I need to know if you accept PayPal
17:29<@mquatrani>sure do!
17:30<toshiro>ok, then why I don't have the option to specify PayPal when I create my user
17:30<toshiro>?
17:31<@mquatrani>well, we actually require a valid credit card on the account at all times
17:32<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is there a distro option that includes basics such as LAMP and FTP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14681&p=73149#p73149>
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17:32<toshiro>ok, but I want to pay from my PayPal balance instead of my credit card
17:33<@mquatrani>that's absolutely possible as long as you have a valid credit card tied to the account :)
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17:35<@mquatrani>toshiro: https://blog.linode.com/2016/07/26/paypal-payments/
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17:39<toshiro>ok, I find this payment method odd (to say the least) ... so I have to remember every month to pay with PayPal to avoid using the credit card??!!!
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17:51<arlen>yup
17:51<arlen>set a reminder in your phone
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22:00<learner>hey guys, using ubuntu xenial (16.04), I want to create shared launchers for all users, I create the .desktop launcher in "/usr/share/applications/" and restart, and yet, it doesn't show up. What am I missing?
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22:04<alexandremjacqu>Hey! Just bought my first Linode server. How much time it's supposed to take to have my new account validated? Still receiving the "Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!"
22:04<arlen>depends on how busy they are
22:04<arlen>check your inbox/spam to make sure they didn't email asking for more documentation
22:06*learner checks his spam to make sure they didn't email asking for an arm/leg
22:06<alexandremjacqu>Tks arlen, no emails yet. Thought it was an automated process. Will hold my horses then...
22:06<arlen>it is unless something triggers and they need to verify
22:06<alexandremjacqu>Oh, ok.
22:07<learner>alexandremjacqu, it also depends on how big your linode is and which datacenter you chose
22:07<arlen>could try calling them if you wanted, might speed things up
22:07<learner>arlen, no it won't
22:07<Linguica>did you sacrifice the goat to baal or to moloch
22:07<Linguica>moloch is usually slower
22:08<alexandremjacqu>Thanks guys.Haha
22:08<arlen>learner: usually it does
22:08*learner puts Linguica in the Satan Worshipers List
22:09<Cromulent>one thing I was impressed with with linode was when I lost my 2FA key they asked me to send in some documents - they even sent me a GnuPG public key so I could encrypt them - I thought that was cool
22:10<learner>can anyone help me with my problem? or am i wasting time here
22:13<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Joomla site access issue <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14679&p=73151#p73151>
22:17<learner>i've tried googling but the pages i find all suggest alacarte / say to add to "/usr/share/applications/", the former is one user only so not shared among users and the latter seems not to work. please help someone!
22:23<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • User unknown in virtual alias table <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14680&p=73152#p73152>
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