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---Logopened Fri Apr 07 00:00:02 2017
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00:00<Ikaros>In other words, unfamiliar territory
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00:05<MajObviousman>we should make fun of them for ignorance
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00:57<Ikaros>Wow, that's interesting, the mtr I left running on my Newark node just picked up loss down the entire route starting right with router1-nac. Very brief, only lost 2 packets @ 6-second intervals, but definitely the whole route lit up as unreachable there for a while.
00:57<dwfreed>BGP is magic
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01:14<Ikaros>Hm.
01:18<MajObviousman>finally getting some decent data, now that you're leaving mtr on?
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01:22<Ikaros>To be honest my curiosity is really piqued, but at the same time there's an air of frustration about 'cause this one plays a major role on another IRC network, and this brief flapping has been setting off netsplits like wildfire towards an uplink that handles most of the US presence on said network, think something like 6 in 24 hours.
01:23<Ikaros>AT the same time I've been running mtr I've also been digging into local causes too
01:24<Ikaros>The way it is now I'd probably have to pull an all-nighter on a work night just to try and pinpoint when it starts doing it again so I can get a much better read via mtr.
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01:34<Ikaros>Just to note though, this didn't crop up until after the most recent known issues in Newark, so while I can't be entirely sure if this is related to it or not, I'm still strongly suspicious nevertheless. Not like I changed anything on the node itself so even more reason to think so.
01:35<Peng>Still... you never know. Could be some coincidental issue at some ISP
01:40<Ikaros>True, which is why I'm hoping to capture SOMETHING with mtr before I pass out
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01:46<Ikaros>Mmm, blueberry muffin...perfect midnight snack.
01:46<Ikaros>For troubleshooting
01:58<Ikaros>Haha and just as I was watching my server notices on the other IRC network to watch for signs of it trying to split again, a Linode IP connects to it and DroneBL nukes it.
01:59<arlen>:(
01:59<Ikaros>Type (class) 13
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02:58<erik_>Is it generally risky or complicated to add an addional IP address to a ubunu 12 linode? Any good tutorial link to share?
02:58<dwfreed>you should probably update your Linode
02:58<grawity>from the technical side it's almost trivial
02:58<dwfreed>ubuntu 12.04 is due to EOL this month
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02:59<grawity>but you need a really good reason to *obtain* more IPv4's
02:59<dwfreed>!ips
02:59<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
02:59<dwfreed>linbot: apropos static
02:59<linbot>dwfreed: static
02:59<dwfreed>!static
02:59<linbot>DHCP will only provide one IP to a Linode; when using more than one IP address (including private), a static configuration must be used: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/linux-static-ip-configuration/
02:59<erik_>Thank you
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03:04<Swabby>If you create a "VPN" connection to your Linode box, is there any benefits? i.e. is your connections faster/etc?
03:04<Peng>Any benefits? Maybe. Faster? Unlikely.
03:05<grawity>I'd say you're going the wrong way around here
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03:05<Swabby>Like.. for example lets say i do alot of work on the shell with my website and such, would that make thing easier or is it not worth the effort?
03:06<grawity>if you work over SSH, then a VPN doesn't add anything useful
03:06<grawity>at least not in this situation
03:07<dwfreed>except maybe if your internet connection blocks SSH normally, and the VPN is capable of bypassing that
03:07<dwfreed>but that is usually pretty rare
03:08<Ikaros>The main benefit in my view of using a VPN is to encrypt communications in situations where that isn't otherwise possible or you're doing something sensitive on public/shared connections/PCs
03:10<Swabby>gotcha..makes sense
03:11<Ikaros>Or in my setup for example, not only that, but also to access resources hosted on my home network - I run one on a server on my home network for that very purpose.
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04:29<ahmad>hello
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06:43<haiii>Linode Data Charges calculated on account level or per VPS level? i have a 4GB and 1GB RAM linode. on 4GB linode only use few hundred GB/mo. But new 1 GB linode may cross 1TB this mo..
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06:44<Meyer_>haiii: data transfer is aggregated to your account
06:44<haiii>:) WOW that is cool
06:45<Meyer_>haiii: Yes it is practical :)
06:45<Meyer_>haiii: So in your case you would have 4TB of transfer. Does not matter how you use it between your linodes
06:45<haiii>Thanks for the quick answer :) I can be on different datacenter too right>
06:46<Meyer_>haiii: correct
06:46<haiii>Super!
06:47<Peng>!wx ksfb
06:47<linbot>Peng: [metar] OBS at KSFB: 57.2F/14C, visibility 10 miles, wind 9.21 mph, chill 55.18F (altimeter: 30.05) [KSFB 070953Z AUTO 32008KT 10SM CLR 14/04 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP175 T01390039 $]
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07:05<bba>hi, please i need to recover my account. as my phone is lost and cant log in without 2fa
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07:05<Woet>use your emergency code that you get when you activate 2fa
07:06<Woet>or use a decent 2fa app like authy that allows you to recover it from encrypted backups
07:07<bba>i dont have the emergency codes
07:07<Woet>well thats quite silly isnt it
07:07<bba>really!!!
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08:14<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • What's up with Tokyo2? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14652&p=73197#p73197>
08:16<Woet>not much, you?
08:24<jiggawattz>wouter
08:24<jiggawattz>whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazup
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08:40<DrJ>minor gripe here: when you have display groups in the dns manager and you click "add a domain zone" under one, it doesn't automatically place the new entry in that group when using a template zone from an existing linode
08:41<DrJ>costed me about 10 extra seconds, 15 punches of the keyboard, and 3 extra mouse clicks
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10:17<waltman>I've got an old linode that I'm ready to retire and take offline. Do I just select "remove" from the Linode Manager screen?
10:18<@nbrewer>waltman: yep, that will remove the Linode from your account.
10:18<waltman>cool
10:18<waltman>thanks
10:20<waltman>I had backups enabled for the old linode that I just removed, but not for my new one. When I try to enable them for the new one, I get a screen with the message "You have selected extras that the host server does not have available. Please narrow your selection and try again."
10:21<@nbrewer>waltman: could you open up a support ticket from the "support" tab in the Linode Manager?
10:21<@nbrewer>i'll look out for it
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10:22<waltman>Just opened one, thanks.
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10:26<@nbrewer>waltman: got it
10:26<waltman>cool
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10:39<waltman>nbrewer: Thanks for fixing it!
10:39<@nbrewer>waltman: no problem!
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11:20<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:26<ArchNoob>What is a recommended/good domain name register I can use with linode?
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11:26<@mcintosh>ArchNoob: NameSilo and Gandi are good
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11:27<ArchNoob>mcintosh: Thanks :)
11:28<@mcintosh>no problemmm
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11:42<csnxs>mmm
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11:44<DrJ>ArchNoob, I personally use namecheap
11:45<Peng>I use Name.com too
11:46<DrJ>imo anything but godaddy :)
11:46<ArchNoob>I came to like NameSilo just by the look of it.
11:46<ArchNoob>Gives you a domain name, nothing more.
11:46<ArchNoob>pretty cool..
11:46<DrJ>:)
11:47<DrJ>I like namecheap because they have a very simple and clean dashboard for managing domains
11:47<ArchNoob>mmh, thats a good point :)
11:47<ArchNoob>namesilo is a bit ugly.
11:47<DrJ>which is nice if you have more than a few domains
11:48<ArchNoob>ooh, yeah.
11:48<DrJ>I also would not go with any provider that does not offer 2FA
11:50<ArchNoob>two factor thing?
11:50<DrJ>yea
11:50<DrJ>two factor authentication
11:50<DrJ>I'm guess most do these days... but no 2FA means they are automatically scratched off my list
11:51<ArchNoob>yeah
11:51<ArchNoob>haha, should check for that in this
11:51<@mcintosh>namesilo has 2fa
11:52<ArchNoob>just found it! https://www.namesilo.com/Support/2~Factor-Authentication
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11:53<ArchNoob>Whenever I see Coupon/Promo Code I go crazy searching for one.
11:54<ArchNoob>:( cheap life.
11:55<relidy>"Second, Authy securely stores your 2FA information for you; therefore, all you have to do is reinstall Authy on another device, login, and it will automatically download your 2FA information." ... What? How is that at all a thing?
11:57<Peng>https://tld-list.com/
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12:04<dwfreed>relidy: encrypted locally in the app before being sent to Authy's servers; you specify the encryption password
12:04<csnxs>OVH is the cheapest .uk registrar?
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12:06<Ajsar>Do linode accept entopay virtual credit card in first payment
12:06<relidy>dwfreed: My concern wasn't with the security of the data in their hands (that's a different potential issue), but rather how do they authenticate a new device that's logging in for the first time? The way they've phrased that, it sounds like there's no 2FA on their 2FA.
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12:07<dwfreed>relidy: possession of the phone number that originally registered the account, iirc
12:07<dwfreed>relidy: I stopped using Authy when I got my Yubikey NEO, so I forget
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12:08<relidy>dwfreed: I suppose that's better than nothing :)
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12:11<aju>Is it possible to pay using entropay
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12:12<relidy>aju: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
12:12<aju>@caker Is it possible to pay using entropy during the first payment
12:13<aju>Thank you
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14:05<craig>Can we get a static IP when we sign up for any plan?
14:06<FluffyFoxeh>!ip
14:06<FluffyFoxeh>!ips
14:06<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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14:07<craig>Thank you..
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14:39<craig>Is there any security document available explaining the type of security Linode uses?
14:39<@nbrewer>craig: https://www.linode.com/compliance
14:40<@nbrewer>we can also offer certification documents for the specific data center - some are SOC and some are ISO 27001, it depends on the dc
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15:22<atp>clear
15:23<@wblew>all clear
15:24<dwfreed>We've lost him, doctor
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16:28<leo_>hello: still waiting for linode blockstorage, any news ??
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16:31<millisa> just the mention at the end of the v-day update
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16:34<@caker>working on it. Beta soon in Newark (a few weeks)
16:34<millisa>that is exciting
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16:38<dwfreed>!
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16:42<david_>Hello can someone help me set up a wordpress site? it is not sending emails
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16:44<leo_>thanks caker
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16:57<ArchNoob>Hi, anyone using namesilo and linode. I got a question about DNS settings. I don't see the place to add linode's "Name Server" (the ns1.linode.com ...) In namesilo dashboard.
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17:11<Peng>It's on the... left
17:13<Peng>https://www.namesilo.com/Support/NameServer-Manager
17:15<ArchNoob>Peng: oooh, thank uuuu.. :D :D
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17:24<david_>The email could not be sent. Possible reason: your host may have disabled the mail() function.
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17:31<david_>Can anyone help me out?
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17:32<@caker>googling that exact line gives many answers :)
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17:34<david_>i have tried all to changeing hostname instaling sendmail
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18:24<zifnab>whats the current view on "I'm using 100% of CPU on a box"
18:25<arlen>"ok"
18:25<zifnab>i know this was a problem when there were 8 cores everywhere, i'm assuming its less of one now that that isn't the case
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18:58<Eugene>I have / still do run with pegged CPUs on some machines. Everything I have seen/heard recently is "go ahead, you'll just get scheduler'ed if the host is busy"
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19:01<@caker>in the occasions where we need to go break up a fight for CPU on a host, single core-ers are likely last on the list to get an abuse ticket and/or throttled down on the host
19:01<@caker>that said, full-duty is not what we sell (I know you know that) nor can possibly promise, so be kind.
19:02<Eugene>I've never gotten an abuse ticket opened. In the long-long ago(2012ish?) we actually paid an extra $50/core on a couple boxes to get an absurd number of vCPUs for a processing job
19:02<Eugene>I did once get an abuse ticket for an Ubuntu ISO(seriously) from an over-zealous South American ISP. I hope those guys got ignored
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19:03<FluffyFoxeh>caker: if one gets throttled down for overuse, will they be warned first or notified at least?
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19:05<@caker>My best answer is: probably
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19:15<Eugene>Support agents are only human
19:15<Zimsky>no they're not
19:15<Zimsky>they're lizard people
19:16<linbot>humans taste good
19:16<Zimsky>like the people at the DMV
19:16<Zimsky>lizard people, all of them
19:17<Zimsky>joke is on you, linbot, lizard people don't eat human
19:17<Zimsky>you are a spy
19:17<FluffyFoxeh>how do you know what lizard people eat?
19:18<Zimsky>decades of research
19:18<Eugene>Into their poo
19:18<Zimsky>^
19:18<arlen>they have a blog
19:18<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: vous êtes un espion
19:18<Zimsky>Fact: ALL lizard people speak French.
19:19<Zimsky>Fact: You can make something true by putting "Fact: " in front of it
19:21<FluffyFoxeh>true == "Fact: " + false
19:21<FluffyFoxeh>false
19:21<FluffyFoxeh>nope
19:21<arlen>fake news
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19:22<Eugene>Show me the linode fax
19:22<Zimsky>fake arlen
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19:22<arlen>alternative arlen
19:22<Zimsky>"two wrongs don't make a right" but they never told that to a programmer did they
19:23-!-Zimsky is now known as Alternate_Zimsky
19:23<FluffyFoxeh>apparently in javascript, 2*true = 2
19:23<arlen>maybe they did
19:23<FluffyFoxeh>and 2*false = 0
19:23<Alternate_Zimsky>this works
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19:23<Alternate_Zimsky>All metals are made of salad dressing
19:24<Alternate_Zimsky>it's just really old salad dressing that went hard
19:24<FluffyFoxeh>You forgot "Fact: "
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19:24<Alternate_Zimsky>no FluffyFoxeh I am alternate zimsky therefore everything is fact
19:24<FluffyFoxeh>oh okay
19:24<arlen>is that a fact?
19:24<Alternate_Zimsky>in soviet zimsky, you is on joke!
19:25<Alternate_Zimsky>are cats actually really ambitious and motivated lemons with legs?
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19:25<Alternate_Zimsky>I THINK SO
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19:37<bylzz>networking on one of my linodes just stopped working, can access it fine over remote console but no networking on it
19:37<bylzz>tried to reboot
19:37<bylzz>but its not booting and in lish it just says "Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen/S-linode2802084': No space left on device"
19:37<bylzz>Linode failed to boot for unknown reason
19:37<Peng>Sounds like time to file a ticket
19:37<bylzz>sounds like it
19:37<bylzz>never seen this before
19:38<Zimsky>"No space left on device" would be a hint
19:38<bylzz>yea but i checked df and df -i when i logged in
19:38<bylzz>wasnt near full
19:39<Zimsky>okay cool
19:39<Zimsky>ticket
19:40<dwfreed>oh wow, 2.8 million
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19:40<dwfreed>I have linode 250,000
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19:42<dwfreed>and that was in October 2012
19:42<staticsafe>any of y'all in here running Mastodon instances on Linode? What instance size did you start with?
19:42<dwfreed>staticsafe: why not just start with the $5 plan, and just resize if/when you need to?
19:43<staticsafe>hmm
19:45<staticsafe>https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/blob/master/docs/Running-Mastodon/Production-guide.md looks like fun
19:49<bylzz>linode support is always so fast to respond
19:49<bylzz>I like
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19:50<zifnab>dwfreed: how'd you get 2.8 million?
19:50<Peng>"S-linode2802084"
19:51<zifnab>haha, right
19:51<zifnab>so 2.8 million lish sessions :P
19:51<dwfreed>no, that's a linode ID
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19:51<zifnab>there were 190,810 invoices last month
19:51<zifnab>are you saying that each account has, on average, 14 nodes?
19:51<nate>I was gonna say isn't that supposed to be your account ID or something?
19:51<dwfreed>staticsafe: ohgod
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19:52<dwfreed>zifnab: Linode IDs always increment, so includes deleted Linodes
19:52<zifnab>ah right
19:52<bylzz>hm, wonder how many linodes one has got
19:53<arlen>wonder no more, i have 4
19:53<zifnab>i have 5
19:53<zifnab>soon to be 9
19:53<zifnab>becuase $5 plans are cheaper than VMs on an ovh box now
19:54<dwfreed>not if you get an SYS
19:54<arlen>adding a few more soon for tor exits
19:55<dwfreed>enjoy your abuse tickets
19:55<dwfreed>ask mcintosh about that
19:55<arlen>i did
19:55<arlen>gonna use the same exit policy he uses
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19:56<zifnab>which is?
19:56<zifnab>how do you avoid abuse
19:56<arlen>https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/CBA8B64BCBA9FAFEBB57EFCEC5A8524D1351C7E1
19:57<arlen>you dont
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19:57<arlen>just try to minimize it
19:57<staticsafe>a very restricted exit policy
19:57<Zimsky>zifnab: rubber-hose cryptanalysis
19:58<zifnab>Zimsky: rubber-duck cryptoanalysis
19:58<Zimsky>did you get the reference though?
19:58<staticsafe>if Linode offered BGP, I would put up some exits
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19:59<dwfreed>staticsafe: how would BGP help? :P
19:59<Zimsky>dwfreed: BGP is magic, don't you know that?
19:59<staticsafe>dwfreed: announce my own IP space
20:00<staticsafe>so abuse reports go to my inbox instead of Linodes
20:00<dwfreed>Linode would not allow that
20:00<dwfreed>because people would use it to bypass Linode's abuse policy
20:02<staticsafe>aye
20:02<zifnab>vultr does :P
20:02<staticsafe>yeah I know, I've used BGP with Vultr before
20:02<dwfreed>vultr is shit already
20:02<staticsafe>i'd rather use Linode
20:02<zifnab>but, you know, they're also incapable of downsizing disks because 'data loss'
20:02<zifnab>dwfreed: i do appreciate the sub-1ms pings i get from home
20:02<dwfreed>lol
20:02<zifnab>i kept a vpn box there forever because i could use steam streaming over it
20:03<dwfreed>zifnab: the average eye blink is 300 to 400 milliseconds
20:03<bylzz>whats wrong with vultr, got a bunch of machines there cos of bgp and never had any issues?
20:03<arlen>choopa are idiots
20:04<zifnab>dwfreed: "meh"
20:04<zifnab>things are noticebly laggy when i bounce traffic from work to fremont to home
20:04<zifnab>i gave up and just added openvpn on my router
20:04<staticsafe>i moved my weechat to the NUC on my LAN
20:05<staticsafe>but I'm finding that its annoying to restart weechat after a power outage
20:05<dwfreed>something something @reboot
20:05<bylzz>get an ups
20:05<Zimsky>dwfreed: my sources say 100-400ms
20:06<dwfreed>Zimsky: either way, in Internet distance, that's a long time
20:07<Zimsky>didn't know vultr did BGP though
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20:16<millisa>staticsafe: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fit-uptime/ <---neat micro ups for nucs
20:16<Eugene>zifnab / dwfreed - there is an upper bound on the # of linodes, somewhere around 400k: http://bgp.he.net/AS63949
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20:17<zifnab>Eugene: so, looks like my 190k figure isn't invalid
20:18<Eugene>Also
20:18<Eugene>!zayo
20:18<linbot>19:07:23 <HoopyCat> zaaaaaaaaaayo, zaaa-aa-aaa-aaaa-yoooooo, latency come and me wan' go home
20:19<dwfreed>I believe there is some address space that is still announced only through the DC ASes
20:19<Eugene>I'm not bored enough to aggregate the subnets http://bgp.he.net/search?search%5Bsearch%5D=Linode&commit=Search
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20:20<zifnab>some of them aren't named linode either :P
20:20<dwfreed>^
20:20<dwfreed>they still have the DC name on them
20:20<zifnab>because, you know, who in their right mind keeps their rirs updated
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20:20<zifnab>er, whatever that thing is
20:20<Eugene>"meh"
20:20<zifnab>not rir, there's an acronym thats so unimportant i've forgotten
20:21<dwfreed>SWIP
20:21<zifnab>that one :P
20:21<Eugene>I've filled out that form!
20:21<dwfreed>also, the prefix page includes duplicates
20:21<Peng>"SWIP" is a great acronym for something kinda boring
20:21<zifnab>Eugene: we should go halfsies on an ASN some day
20:21<zifnab>i don't know why i'd wan tone
20:21<Eugene>I came close a few years ago
20:22<zifnab>some day i'll be rich and i'll just buy a colo
20:22<Eugene>HE wanted too much for redundant bandwidth
20:22<zifnab>that day is not today
20:23<Peng>Isn't HE known for fairly low prices?
20:24<zifnab>its cheap unless you need something stupid, like redundant paths
20:25<zifnab>they have the JIRA model, first 10gbit is cheap
20:25<zifnab>like 3-5k/mo cheap
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20:25<dwfreed>you could own half the routable IPv6 address space for only $256,000 a month
20:26<dwfreed>actually I think that's per year
20:26<Peng>Does it require technical justification
20:26<zifnab>arin prices are per year
20:26<zifnab>and yes, anything after the first /whatever does
20:27<zifnab>iirc the first /32 or /48 or w/e is either free w/ ipv4 or free w/ an asn
20:28<zifnab>haven't looked in a few years, ASN used to be $500/yr w/o an allocation, smallest allocation was 500/yr
20:28<staticsafe>ARIN ASNs are $500 registration, $100/year
20:28<zifnab>must have changed :P as i said its been years
20:31<dwfreed>$550
20:31<staticsafe>oh right
20:31<staticsafe> /24s are $500
20:31<zifnab>250*
20:31<zifnab>https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html
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20:32<staticsafe>ah it changed since I got mine
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20:32<zifnab>its changed massively it looks like
20:32<zifnab>its now $100/yr for the asn, $100/yr for allocations
20:32<dwfreed>staticsafe: what's your v6 assignment?
20:32<dwfreed>zifnab: only as an end user
20:32<staticsafe>bg2620:98:4000::/44
20:33<staticsafe>er 2620:98:4000::/44
20:33<dwfreed>wow, small :)
20:33<zifnab>interesting
20:34<staticsafe>I use a /48 with HE BGP tunnel at home
20:34<staticsafe>since my ISP doesn't have native
20:37<staticsafe>I don't think ARIN or any other RIR has given v6 allocations at the 5x-Large (larger than /4) level
20:37<staticsafe>its future proofing I guess
20:40<dwfreed>staticsafe: as I mentioned, larger than /4 is half the routable v6 space
20:40<staticsafe>yeah
20:40<dwfreed>that's 268 million /32s
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20:45<staticsafe>the biggest I've seen is 2003::/19 assigned to Deutsche Telekom
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20:45<Peng>Comcast has a buttload of IPs
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20:46<Eugene>And yet, they allocated me a /126 on a business fiber line. wtf.
20:46<dwfreed>staticsafe: that's a lot
20:46<Eugene>(I need to call and figure out what our /56 is.... clueless tech happens)
20:47<zifnab>Eugene: wait, thats..2 usable?
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20:47<zifnab>thats the same as a /30 right?
20:47<Eugene>Nope, all ipv6 addresses are usable. Instead you get to do multicast!
20:49<staticsafe>2601::/20 is one of Comcast's allocations
20:49<staticsafe>that is the second biggest I've seen
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