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---Logopened Sun Apr 09 00:00:00 2017
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00:33<zahidul>hello boss
00:33<zahidul>I am new customer
00:33<zahidul> of linode
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00:35<linbot>hi
00:37<zahidul> I want to buy your host
00:37<zahidul> can you help me
00:37<zahidul> i am unablt to sign in
00:37<dwfreed>what error message do you get?
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01:37<Ikaros>Well now, and I just now hear about this - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/08/hacker-triggers-all-156-emergency-sirens-dallas/100212412/
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02:04<zifnab>so what do people use for monitoring these days
02:05<arlen>uptimerobot
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02:05<zifnab>i could hug you arlen, thanks
02:05<zifnab>need it for an open source project, "I dont' have to host it" wins
02:06<arlen>:)
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02:06<zifnab>i'm assuming i can throw it http endpoints & ping
02:06<zifnab>and call it a day?
02:06<arlen>yup
02:06<arlen>https://status.arlen.network
02:07<zifnab>shiny
02:08<arlen>don't have to use the status page. can just have it send alerts to sms/app/email pretty much whatever
02:08<zifnab>yeah, i intended on throwing it in slack
02:08<zifnab>don't care for 99% of it
02:09<Peng>That's a very pretty status page. SMS would be a waste. :<
02:09<arlen>yeah and potentially expensive, have to buy credits for SMS
02:10<Peng>Ah? That sucks.
02:10<Peng>$15 for 50 SMSes!?
02:11<Peng>$15 is 31 million SMS if you use Amazon
02:11<Peng>ah, i'm wrong
02:12<Peng>$0.00645/SMS and i've done too much math already
02:12<Ikaros>(not knowing you can send SMS through so-called gateways for free >.>)
02:13<zifnab>5 minutes accuracy for free
02:13<zifnab>thats something i can live with
02:13<arlen>yeah it's pretty nice
02:15<zifnab>https://stats.uptimerobot.com/z663DUno0
02:19<zifnab>i really don't care 99% of the time
02:20<zifnab>if i happen to be in slack and somethings offline, i'll fix it probably
02:25<zifnab>!dig uptime.lineageos.org
02:25<linbot>zifnab: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: uptime.lineageos.org. 300 IN CNAME stats.uptimerobot.com. | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
02:25<zifnab>meh
02:25<dwfreed>!dns6 uptime.lineageos.org
02:26<linbot>dwfreed: 69.162.67.141
02:26<zifnab>having a userbase actually helps with monitoring
02:26<zifnab>most of the time, if something's broken, people show up in irc...
02:27<dwfreed>apparently Uptime Robot the company is based out of Malta
02:30<arlen>hmm
02:30<zifnab>i have a problem
02:30<zifnab> /dev/mapper/lvm-data 7.3T 6.7T 242G 97% /data
02:30<Ikaros>That is a problem
02:30<zifnab>a) huh, they don't line up
02:31<zifnab>b) what am i going to do when it fills...
02:31<Peng>dwfreed: Land of cute cats and tax shelters?
02:31<dwfreed>heh
02:31<dwfreed>zifnab: make it bigger?
02:32<zifnab>its expensive
02:32<zifnab>i'd want to go 8tb drives probably
02:32<zifnab>i'd need at least 3 to expand
02:32<zifnab>(either two in raid 5 or three in raid 5 for 8 or 16 tb)
02:32<Peng>can an 8 TB drive survive a RAID rebuild?
02:33<zifnab>i would need to go raid 6 at some point
02:33<zifnab>looks like 6tb seagate ironwolf drives are 199, 8tb are 299
02:33<zifnab>Peng: imo, raid 5 is suicide raid with that size of drive
02:35<zifnab>https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pkl2P7Mw/df-year.png
02:37<zifnab>damn it, taxes are due in a week
02:41<FluffyFoxeh>only if you use shitty RAID that kills itself at the first sign of a URE
02:42<dwfreed>I mean, the raid controller would be like "fuck, the drive died, the raid is irreparable, STOP EVERYTHING"
02:43<FluffyFoxeh>a sane software implementation would know what to do with an I/O error: skip the sector and continue
02:44<zifnab>md remounts r/o
02:44<FluffyFoxeh>AFAIK md doesn't mount anything, it's below the filesystem
02:45<FluffyFoxeh>also I'm talking about during a rebuild, in which case (I hope) it wouldn't be mounted
02:45<zifnab>right, errors=remount-ro does i guess
02:45<zifnab>whatever bit of magic deals with fstab (kernel?0
02:45<FluffyFoxeh>actually no, I'm dumb, if you replace a failed drive there's no reason it can't be mounted while it re-syncs it
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>I forget what's responsbile for fstab
02:46<dwfreed>fstab is just a config file
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>but I think the errors=remount-ro is an argument to the filesystem itself
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: I know, but what reads it?
02:46<dwfreed>indeed
02:46<dwfreed>mount
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>oh
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>duh
02:46<dwfreed>usually when called as 'mount -a'
02:46<zifnab>and if you're worried you can throw a sysctl flag to copy slower
02:46<FluffyFoxeh>:p
02:47<dwfreed>zifnab: a URE means the sector is damaged
02:47<dwfreed>if that happens during a rebuild, that sector is lost
02:47<zifnab>ah
02:47<zifnab>unrecoverableerror?
02:47<FluffyFoxeh>unrecoverable read error
02:47<dwfreed>^
02:48<zifnab>in other news, it stime for hte nightly "You're feeding me, counter must be empty first" game my cat plays
02:48<dwfreed>lol
02:48<FluffyFoxeh>and I can only assume that if you use a shitty hardware RAID controller, the whole array is lost in that case.
02:48<FluffyFoxeh>because there's a prevailing opinion that a URE during a rebuild means death
02:49<zifnab>sane people just use windows volume extending
02:49<zifnab>drive dies? only lose the files on that drive!
02:49<FluffyFoxeh>ha
02:49<dwfreed>The RAID controller will certainly refuse to return the array to "OK" state
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03:43<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Disk Size <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14700&p=73203#p73203>
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04:28<asiantiger>hello
04:28<asiantiger>anyone out there
04:28<millisa>probably
04:28<asiantiger>cool
04:29<asiantiger>where are you from
04:29<asiantiger>i am in nyc
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04:30<millisa>Earth! It's the best. We've got apple pie, zeppelins and quantum mechanics
04:30<asiantiger>i see you are into physics
04:30<millisa>Mostly pie.
04:30<asiantiger>physics was my best subject in high school
04:31<asiantiger>do you think universal basic income will happen in usa?
04:31<dwfreed>I'm not really sure how that's relevant to this channel
04:31<millisa>Not while I'm around.
04:32<millisa>Was there something linode related you wanted to know about?
04:32<asiantiger>what is linode about?
04:32<millisa>linode.com?
04:32<dwfreed>https://www.linode.com/
04:33<asiantiger>oh so it is about cloud hosting
04:33<dcraig>with universal basic income, I'd buy more linodes
04:34<asiantiger>so you have heard of it
04:34<asiantiger>nice chatting with you
04:34<asiantiger>goto go
04:34<asiantiger>bye
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04:35<dwfreed>that was... odd
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04:37<millisa>the universal basic linode comes with 1vcpu, 1gb of ram, 20 gb of storage, a whole terabyte of transfer
04:45<dcraig>one universal basic millisa, please
04:45<millisa>all we've got are metric, sorry
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04:53<dcraig>any size millisa is fine
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06:45<praetorian>just give him some coal
06:46<tuyu>hi guys i need this chat's css. fixed right sidebar with scroller, bottom fixed div, top fixed, and scrollable chat area
06:46<dwfreed>tuyu: https://github.com/oftc/qwebirc-websocket
06:47<praetorian>not for sale
06:47<tuyu>dwfreed thx but im devoloping with node.js and socket.io backend
06:47<tuyu>i need only this css :)
06:48<dwfreed>the CSS is in that repo
06:48<tuyu>oh i 'll check now
06:48<praetorian>$50
06:50<tuyu>it is must be this
06:50<tuyu>https://github.com/oftc/qwebirc-websocket/blob/master/css/qui.mcss
06:50<praetorian>must it
06:51<tuyu>thank you very much guys. i hate css
06:52<praetorian>it's $60 now
06:52<praetorian>:>
06:53<tuyu>$60 for what?
06:55<tuyu>$60 = 230 Turkish Lira (minimum wage in Turkey $350). 1 bread cost $0.4, 1 kg meat $12 in Turkey
06:57<tuyu>and we're going to monarch in 1 week. :/
06:58<Woet>collection agency is already informed
06:58<praetorian>xD
06:59<praetorian>Are you in Constantinople?
06:59<tuyu>the city name is Istanbul
06:59<praetorian>=)
06:59<tuyu>and im not live in istanbul
07:01<praetorian>oKė
07:02<tuyu>my people, 50% very ignorant and influential. but other 50% rolerant, hospitable, civilized people
07:03<tuyu>the bad 50% seized power and they are going to monarch in 1 week
07:04<tuyu>I feel very sorry for my country
07:04<Woet>that seems inaccurate
07:05<tuyu>We can not do anything. We can not stand ignorance.
07:05<Woet>you could try a coup
07:06<tuyu>no
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07:07<Max>Hello
07:07<tuyu>The military was seized. They have done a counter revolution by using democracy.
07:07<tuyu>hi
07:07<Max>Can I pay with bitcoin on linode?
07:08<Woet>i wouldnt trust linode with anything bitcoin related
07:08<tuyu>i guess, no
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07:08<Woet>their track record isn't the best
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07:09<tuyu>i'm in the web 25 years. i used iweb, dp, ovh... i can say linode's hardware quality really good
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07:34<van7hu>hrllo
07:34<van7hu>Hi, I'm trying to boot my linode, I did not use the back button, and I've even to clear or change to difference browsers, but still be blocked. Please, do not block me anymore.
07:34<van7hu>My account is: van7hu@gmail.com
07:34<dwfreed>open a ticket
07:34<van7hu>Please, support me. It's urgent.
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07:35<van7hu>I opened the ticket already.
07:35<dwfreed>if everything is set up, and you just need to hit the boot button, you can do that from lish
07:35<dwfreed>!lish
07:35<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
07:35<van7hu>!lish boot
07:35<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
07:35<dwfreed>click the link and read it :)
07:37<van7hu>ok, I've just accessed to lish
07:38<van7hu>It's not good, I've just restore from a backup, and, it seems LISH does not find the right configuration file, and the boot FAILED.
07:38<dwfreed>you can list the configuration profiles, and then select the one to boot by number
07:38<dwfreed>it's covered in the guide
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07:42<van7hu>ok
07:42<van7hu>I've about 130 profiles
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07:44<dwfreed>why do you have 130 profiles
07:44<dwfreed>that's probably why the Manager doesn't like you
07:45<van7hu>Hmm, most are from backups & restore :(
07:46<van7hu>now, I'm trying number by number until success
07:46<dwfreed>try the last one
07:47<van7hu>well, the last one does not work.
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09:18<ArchNoob>Do I have to change my MX records from my domain registar to linode to fit gmail suite?
09:18<ArchNoob>To receive my domain-ed emails in gmail?
09:18<dwfreed>your MX records would be pointing at Google
09:19<ArchNoob>yeah, but I've changed my managed servers from my domain registar to linode's. Does this mean I have to change the linode's MX records too to point to google main servers?
09:19<ArchNoob>s/main/mail
09:20<dwfreed>yes
09:20<ArchNoob>ooh, Thank You :D
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10:45<grawity>does wireguard (dkms kernel module) work well with linode's kernels?
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11:39<@caker>I would think so yes. Typically everything works that doesn't require special hardware
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13:13<MrGeneral>minha bnc desligou cara
13:13<MrGeneral>vlw
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13:26<Woet>hablo ingles?
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13:44<arlen>nein
13:48<csnxs>same lol
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14:49<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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14:58<Celti>Bloody hell. I was looking into certs that might actually get me the job I want. The RHCE is $800 for the exams alone, now?
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15:01<staticsafe>welcome to the certs business
15:02<emadion>è+
15:02<emadion>èè
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15:38<dzho>Celti: do the LPI certs not work?
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15:39<Celti>Nobody hiring here is asking them, they all want RHCE (not even just RHCSA alone).
15:39<Celti>"Here" being the greater Phoenix metro area
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15:40<Celti>Anything is good to improve my resume, though, I guess.
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15:58<HalJordan>Celti: feel fortunate it's $800..... i have to re-certify my CCIE every 2 years and it's $450 just for the written exam
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18:57<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • very glad I at last registered <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14701&p=73204#p73204>
18:57<arlen>spam ^
18:58<nate>I was just gonna say I feel like that is some very very craftily creative spam
18:58<nate>lol
18:59<arlen>yeah the text is pretty good, but then the link ><
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19:00<nate>Yeah that sly little "Hey look at my link while at it" lol
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20:37<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Internet as Art Software <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14702&p=73205#p73205>
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20:39<retro|blah>Yes, yes. Art as Spam
20:41<Ikaros>You'd think they'd just give up on that by now
20:43<veecious>i do wonder why spam creators don't bother to check the grammar / sentence structure of their posts it's just a bunch of keywords thrown together with no coherent meaning
20:44<Ikaros>Meh, maybe that's the point, as dumb as that is
20:44<veecious>i guess it's some of those secret SEO tactics people at conferences talk about
20:45<veecious>he did backlink himself like 5 times
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20:48<Ikaros>Amazed you noticed that, I try not to click links I don't trust
20:49<veecious>that's always a good idea, i did it from my VM which i sometimes use to frustrate scammers when i'm bored
20:53<veecious>spam is a billion dollar industry probably
20:53<Ikaros>Which imo is being caught up to by ransomware
20:53<Ikaros>Which some actually spreads via spam botnets
20:54<veecious>i feel like the younger generation is less suspectible to ransomware
20:54<FluffyFoxeh>I don't
20:55<FluffyFoxeh>the younger generation *appears* more tech-savvy but largely has little clue about anything tech-related
20:55<veecious>if you grew up with computers chances are you should be able to differentiate what is a scam
20:57<veecious>i feel like you are probably correct when it comes to more advanced tech knowledge like coding,automation etc but i'd bet your average 16 year old would be more aware than my parents
20:58<veecious>either way i'm sure they'll change their tactics to adapt like offering free league of legends skins
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21:00<FluffyFoxeh>ZNC website has died on 29 March 2017, without fresh backups. Wiki is now back from dump of July 2015. Please help restoring the lost content.
21:00<FluffyFoxeh>oh dear
21:01<arlen>yeah lol
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21:01<Ikaros>Oops?
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21:02<arlen>people were copying pages from archive.org to help restore it
21:02<Ikaros>What better way to do it?
21:02<Ikaros>:P
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21:03<Ikaros>Ok, yeah, stupid question, better way would to actually have had proper backups
21:03<FluffyFoxeh>best way would be to have a time machine
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21:05<veecious>https://i.redd.it/2i7zwa44uspy.gif
21:06<arlen>:D
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21:09<Cromulent>FluffyFoxeh: I can kinda understand why they didn't have backups but why did they have them from 2015 and not later? Did somesay in July 2015 "Hey we could save some money by not having backups"?
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21:09<Cromulent>say*
21:09<FluffyFoxeh>I imagine it was more like "we're moving servers I should dump the db"
21:10<Cromulent>ah yeah that makes sense
21:11<Cromulent>I should probably spin up a linode in a different datacentre just for backups - I mean I already have the Linode backup service but that is in the same datacentre
21:11<Cromulent>or maybe even with a different provider
21:11<FluffyFoxeh>I back up my linode to my home computer
21:11<FluffyFoxeh>and I back up my home computer to my Linode
21:11<FluffyFoxeh>(no I don't)
21:12<Cromulent>I could use my NAS I guess which is RAID 1 on my network as a backup location
21:12<Cromulent>not sure how to script that though
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21:13<veecious>my database take a couple of hours to dump
21:14<veecious>i'm not sure the best way to run daily backups on it
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21:14<Cromulent>my websites are tiny so it is easy for me
21:15<veecious>do you use linode's auto backups?
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21:16<Cromulent>yep
21:16<Cromulent>well worth the extra $2.50 it costs me
21:17<veecious>i thought it was 100 a month for backups
21:17<Cromulent>nah that is managed
21:17<Cromulent>!backups
21:17<linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use Linode Backups. Prices start at $ 2.50/month depending on your plan. https://www.linode.com/backups
21:17<veecious>you can get just backups without the managed?
21:17<veecious>omg
21:17<Cromulent>yep
21:17<arlen>yup
21:20<kyhwana>Cromulent: or they did have backups but they stopped working in 2015
21:20<kyhwana>Remember, you don't have backups until you've actually tried a restore :P
21:20<Cromulent>kyhwana: linode backups have saved me a couple of times from my own stupidity
21:20<kyhwana>Cromulent: worth it!
21:21<Cromulent>I just want off-site now as well
21:21<Cromulent>I'm wondering if there is an app on my synology NAS that can automatically download files via sftp or scp
21:21<veecious>all my data is in the cloud i just hope it doesnt rain
21:22<Cromulent>don't worry it has probably been sold to some other company so you just have to buy it back :P
21:23<veecious>yea you're probably right
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23:08<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Unable to copy disk image over SSH <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14063&p=73206#p73206>
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23:49<dcraig>do the high memory linodes have better drops?
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23:57<arlen>yeah just epic and legendary
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