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00:38<Fuh>Hi Guys
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00:39<Fuh>Can I refer someone who's already on linode and get the rewards?
00:39<Fuh>for example, he click on the referral link then login to linode panel and "add a new node"
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00:53<@mcintosh>Fuh: no
00:55<FluffyFoxeh>lol nice try
01:02<Fuh>okay
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01:05<dwfreed>in any business, getting new customers is the most expensive thing, which is why referral bonuses generally on exist for bringing in new customers
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02:52<defaultname>Hello, I was wondering how I would see my html files once I uploaded them to the server
02:53<grawity>have you already installed a webserver on it?
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02:54<defaultname>I have just followed the whole begginer's guide all the way through lamp
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02:54<defaultname>when i check the status of the apache it says active(running)
02:54<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • CAA type DNS records <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12510&p=73223#p73223>
02:54<grawity>then try opening http://<server_ip> in a browser
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02:55<defaultname>I get the ubuntu default page It Works!
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02:56<defaultname>is there a way to change the default page to the homepage html file?
02:56<grawity>where did you upload the HTML files?
02:56<defaultname>in /var/www/html/hostname.com/public_html
02:57<grawity>so you probably have Apache configured to look in there when accessing as http://hostname.com only
02:58<defaultname>I'm guessing I have to go into an apache.conf file to change it?
02:58<grawity>or access the website by the domain name which you configured
02:58<grawity>if the domain name itself is in DNS already
02:59<defaultname>I want to say that it is still 'processing' the dns to ip link
02:59<defaultname>when i click check
02:59<defaultname>it says Okay
02:59<defaultname>but I cannot reverse DNS or see my webpage
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03:00<defaultname>see my webpage at hostname.com
03:00<defaultname>I can at the server ip
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03:01<defaultname>well the default ubuntu at the server ip
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04:22<noobie>hello
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04:23<noobie>i would like to rent vps from you guys but still have couple of questions to ask, may i?
04:23<grawity>that's what the channel is for
04:24<noobie>i have no idea i thought its for customer support something but apparently its not lol
04:24<grawity>community support and discussions, technically
04:25<noobie>ah i see, just wondering can i run a MMOPRG on those $5 server?
04:25<grawity>sometimes employees wander by
04:25<grawity>if it's not explicitly forbidden by https://www.linode.com/tos, then yeah
04:26<Woet>noobie: if its legal and the developer of it has allowed and released private servers, sure.
04:26<Woet>which seems unlikely.
04:26<noobie>but seems there are no windows system to install
04:26<grawity>that's why it's called Linode
04:26<grawity>while it's *possible* to get Windows Server running on it, it's not officially supported
04:27<noobie>oh i see
04:27<Woet>noobie: what game is it?
04:27<noobie>albion online
04:27<noobie>i just want to run a client
04:27<noobie>but the private server
04:27<noobie>not*
04:28<Woet>noobie: nope, not legal.
04:28<Woet>8.2 The automatic establishment or registration of accounts is not permitted. Automated login is prohibited. Only the official clients and Apps provided by Sandbox Interactive may be used to connect to the servers. The User may not create, support, host, link or provide any other options, which can be used by another person to play the Game, such as server emulators.
04:28<grawity>sounds legal as long as you're installing the official client or app, then
04:29<Woet>if you actually want to play the game on a VPS, for whatever reason, sure
04:29<noobie>yeah i just want to play the game on vps
04:29<Woet>in a manual normal way
04:29<Woet>why?
04:29<Ikaros>I must say this seems to be quite the unusual request...
04:30<Woet>you realise a VPS wont have a GPU right?
04:30<Ikaros>^
04:30<noobie>NO GPU? oh so disappointing
04:30<Woet>lol
04:30<Woet>noobie: why do you want to play the game on a VPS?
04:31<Ikaros>What did you EXPECT, it's a SERVER.
04:31<noobie>so i cant run the game smoothly or even cant start the game?
04:31<Ikaros>It's not MEANT to have a GPU
04:31<Woet>noobie: why do you want to play the game on a VPS?
04:31<Ikaros>(and there goes my temper again...)
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04:32<Woet>rip
04:32<Woet>he didnt survive
04:32<Woet>he still has grawity
04:32<Ikaros>Oh always while I'm ranting.
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04:32<noobie>lol
04:32<grawity>there might be some hosting companies which provide GPU (maybe those bitcoin-mining-friendly ones)
04:32<Woet>noobie: why do you want to play the game on a VPS?
04:32<grawity>or some dedicated-server hosts
04:33<grawity>but in general, VPSes have zero hardware graphics capability
04:33<Ikaros>As intended.
04:33<grawity>although if the UI is simple enough to run on CPU, then it'd work... slowly
04:33<noobie>just want my storage char separate from my other accounts
04:33<Woet>lol
04:33<Ikaros>Oh one of those people...
04:33<grawity>after all, if it can render a desktop via VNC, then it can render anything else
04:33<grawity>but well
04:34<Woet>how about you just play the game legit so you dont have to hide your chars?
04:34<Ikaros>You're not going to have much luck there unfortunately.
04:34<grawity>using a VPS for that *does* sound a bit against the game's Terms of Service
04:34<Woet>jesus christ
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04:34<Ikaros>Look, what we're saying is most places you go you're getting the same answer - it's either impossible to do or really, REALLY difficult.
04:35<Ikaros>Because that's not how servers are generally designed
04:35<noobie>yeah i understand
04:35<grawity>not impossible, just not something that VPS hosts bother with
04:35<Woet>and you shouldn't do it, because it's shady, unethical and most likely against the tos.
04:35<noobie>someone told me i could do that but im not pretty sure about it
04:37<noobie>i used to run a private server as well, but not on a vps on a dedicate server.
04:37<Woet>why not just play the game the way its intended to?
04:38<noobie>just want to make some cash out of it, lol
04:38<Ikaros>noobie don't risk it, imo, especially if they look at that as a ToS violation (in regards to the game), you'll come out of it the loser if that happens :x
04:39<noobie>i know some ppl play game manually and make money out of the game.
04:39<noobie>some of them are in the game currency business buy low and sell high
04:40<noobie>im not sure its illegal or not
04:40<rsdehart>noobie: the ToS will most likely answer that question explicitly
04:41<rsdehart>unfortunately "I didn't know" won't go very far if they come after you
04:41<noobie>ppl get sued for this?
04:41<Woet>of course it is
04:41<Woet>RMT is banned in every single game
04:41<Ikaros>At the very least, banned.
04:42<Woet>you know you can just read the ToS yourself right?
04:42<Woet>https://albiononline.com/en/terms_and_conditions
04:42<Woet>12.13 The sale or trading of Virtual Property and premium features outside of the opportunities the Game provides is prohibited.
04:42<noobie>yeah i usually just click accept and ignore the whole thing , too long for read lol
04:43<Woet>The User is not allowed to use the Game, the contents of the Game, or the Services in connection with trading of Game contents, kick-backs, reselling of Gold, or promotion competing products to the Services, unless specifically permitted by Sandbox Interactive.
04:43<Woet>to be honest, anyone with a brain knows stuff like that is illegal
04:43<Woet>and if you want to hide your storage account, you're very aware it is as well, else you wouldn't want to hide it.
04:44<noobie>yeah but in real life they just ban ppl, no body get sued anyway
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04:44<Woet>they will if you do it on a large enough scale
04:44<Woet>or if their lawyers are on retainer and bored
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04:45<noobie>yeah likely, but i never heard a real life example
04:45<noobie>maybe im to small lol
04:45<noobie>too*
04:46<Ikaros>So you pull a TL;DR
04:46<Woet>getting banned should be a pretty good indicator you shouldnt be doing it..
04:46<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>ehh
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>bans are often thrown around by low level L1 techs
04:47<noobie>Woet what do you do for living?
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>without regard to real policies
04:47<Woet>i'm a freelancer
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>case in point: dwfreed
04:47<noobie>cool
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>freelancer a.k.a. employed 1 day per week
04:47<noobie>i want to be a freelancer as well
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>noobie: where do you live
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>freelancing sucks
04:47<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>when the market tanks, you will make no money
04:48<noobie>i live in thrid world country
04:48<noobie>maybe a good choice for me lol
04:48<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>China is a great place
04:48<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>good noodles
04:48<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>delicious rice
04:48<noobie>you are so smart
04:49<Ikaros>Your nick bugs me.
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Woet is from China too by the way
04:49<Woet>Ikaros: his real nick is even worse
04:49<Ikaros>There, solved that problem.
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>uh oh
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>was i SHITLISTED
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>oh noes
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>booooooooooooo
04:49<dwfreed>]{][}[]{][}[]{][: shut up
04:49<Ikaros>Woet truthfully I don't care too much about it.
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>dwfreed: feel free to shitlist me, if you'd like
04:49<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>I don't mind being /ignore'd
04:49<noobie>really woet are you chinese?
04:50<Ikaros>It just stands out
04:50<Woet>no, i just visit every now and then
04:50<noobie>oh i see
04:50<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Woet's mother was a Chinese dancer when Woet's Dutch Royal Air Force Lieutenant father met her
04:50<Ikaros>Also did i just see a "shut up" from dwfreed? Can't say I've seen that before. :o
04:50<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Ikaros: yeah dwfreed is impolite
04:50<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>very unbecoming for an officer of OFTC
04:51<]{][}[]{][}[]{][><3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
04:51<noobie>i searched freelancer jobs on google, but many of them.
04:51<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>yeah there are too many
04:51<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>not worth it
04:52<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>imho
04:52<noobie>most job are underground
04:52<noobie>most likely illegal work lol
04:52<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>don't get caught
04:52<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Woet: do you do illegal work
04:52<noobie>like cheats or trainners
04:58<noobie>Woet is an honest and shinning man not like me always stay in dark
04:59<noobie>all he do is legal and moral
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05:09<JamesTK>Hey Linode! I'm drunk.
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05:14<rsdehart>I feel like I am too with all this bs up the left side of my screen
05:14*rsdehart is now known as *(&^%(&^)*&%)_&*%*&^$)&^(&^*%)*(^
05:15<rsdehart>time to make a wall of text.
05:15<joolz>hey can anyone help on a apache virtual hosts question regarding subdomain?
05:15<rsdehart>JamesTK: hope you brought enough for the whole class
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06:48<sami>hi
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07:59<Cromulent>sami: hi
08:15<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Forms on website (WP) not working <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14651&p=73231#p73231>
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10:03<Radhe>hi
10:03<Radhe>areyou there?
10:05<Woet>who of the 366 do you want?
10:05<@nbrewer>Radhe: hello, feel free to ask your question.
10:05<Radhe>no
10:05<Radhe>my name is Radhe
10:05<Radhe>and some query
10:06<Radhe>My ip 139.162.30.217
10:06<Radhe>and domain http://sharingtaxi.com
10:06<Radhe>it is redirect on http://sharingtaxi.com/admin
10:07<Radhe>and i want to open only http://sharingtaxi.com
10:07<Radhe>so please guide me
10:07<Woet>sharingtaxi.com is pointing to 166.62.10.138
10:07<Woet>not 139.162.30.217
10:07<@nbrewer>^ yeah, it's not pointing to the address you gave.
10:07<Radhe>yes i change now on another server
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10:08<Radhe>but when solve my issue then i will configure on that server
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10:08<Woet>well, a webserver by default doesn't redirect to /admin - so undo whatever you did that made that happen.
10:09<Radhe>this server of my client
10:09<Radhe>and now say to me to manage it
10:09<Radhe>so please guide me where we can change it
10:10<Woet>why didnt you tell him you have no knowledge of server admin?
10:10<Radhe>SMTP detail on my end
10:10<Radhe>i have its SMTP details
10:11<Woet>ooookay?
10:11<Woet>dont recall talking about SMTP issues
10:11<Radhe>sorry
10:11<Woet>did you perhaps mean SSH? its quite different
10:11<Radhe>SFTP detail
10:11<Woet>okay, so your client told you "please manage the server", right?
10:11<Radhe>yes
10:11<Woet>why didnt you tell him "sorry, i cant, i dont have knowledge of server admin"?
10:11<Radhe>only open http://sharingtaxi.com
10:12<Radhe>not http://sharingtaxi.com/admin
10:13<Radhe>and also when we try to open http://139.162.30.217 then it is also open with http://139.162.30.217/admin
10:13<ryu>you can also make the redirection rule in your .htaccess file
10:13<Woet>why didnt you tell him "sorry, i cant, i dont have knowledge of server admin"?
10:14<ryu>what are you trying to accomplish?
10:15<Radhe>i check my .htaccess file but not use here this type link
10:15<Woet>Radhe: could you please answer my question?
10:16<Radhe>yes
10:16<Woet>go ahead.
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10:17<ryu>do you have an .htaccess in your root directory?
10:17<Radhe>yes
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10:19<ryu>copy and paste the following script https://pastebin.com/SSybJJKZ
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10:20<Radhe>okay
10:21<ryu>if it didn't do anything chances are you don't have mod_rewrite enabled
10:22<Radhe>my .htaccess code are:
10:22<Radhe><IfModule mod_rewrite.c> RewriteEngine on Rewriterule ^tracking.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^track1.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^live_tracking.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^pusher_auth.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^data/.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^cab_icon.*$ - [PT] Rewriterule ^google2c3f0c8d16199106.*$ - [PT] RewriteRule ^$ app/webroot/ [L] RewriteRule (.*) app/webroot/$1 [L] </IfModule>
10:23<@nbrewer>!paste
10:23<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
10:24<ryu>not sure why i needed to see your current .htaccess just add the lines in there
10:25<ryu>put it at the top as it's the first rule you want checked/applied
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10:29<Woet>no one else concerned a guy who doesnt know sysadmin accepted a job to do sysadmin?
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10:30<AZellers>Good day, is this the appropriate forum to inquire about an IP address being blocked from accessing a linode server (our website?)
10:30<dzho>Woet: what sort of concern do you expect us to have? it's not like it's surprising, and not like we can do anything about it. It sucks, but it happens far too much to get too worked up over.
10:30<Woet>i find it quite surprising
10:30<dzho>welcome to #linode
10:30<Woet>and we can question him so he doesnt do it again
10:30<dzho>yes,
10:30<Woet>instead of thinking its normal
10:31<@nbrewer>AZellers: you'd probably be better off submitting a support ticket - but what are you running into, exactly? is it just a specific IP address that can't reach your Linode?
10:31<Woet>and just helping him and get on our way
10:31<dzho>it's normal, but it's not normative.
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10:31<AZellers>@nbrewer; that is correct. our external gateway is not making it through Linode's network to view our website located at Linode.
10:31<dzho>in the bigger picture, there is a push to eliminate sysadmins as much as possible, by rolling the job into "devops"
10:32<@nbrewer>if that's the case, i would recommend generating a set of MTR reports (from your Linode to the IP address, and the reverse) and submitting them via a support ticket.
10:32<@nbrewer>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnostics/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
10:32<AZellers>@brewer, thank you very much.
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10:35<dzho>Woet: what's more, the real problem here is the client, who, had Radhe said "I can't do the job" might as easily have hired someone *else* willing to take the money and the job at whatever subpar rate is offered, but wouldn't be *here* asking questions where someone might set them on a better course.
10:35<dzho>If you know what you're doing, you don't have to ask questions so much, so the point of being here would be ... ?
10:36<dzho>feeling superior, I guess.
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10:37<Woet>dzho: im not following
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10:37<dzho>in short: you can help, or not. All the rest is posturing, and not really helpful.
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10:39<ryu>no one is born a sysadmin, ideally should he have asked someone else to do it? yes .. but we don't live in an ideal world
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10:40<Woet>dzho: i recognise your opinion, and I disagree with it.
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10:40<Woet>ryu: you dont learn something by accepting a job and then asking people on IRC to do it
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10:42<ryu>are we really going to judge people credentials from a linode chat room? it was a simple question why not just answer it
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10:43<Woet>i did
10:43<Woet>[16:08:33] <Woet> well, a webserver by default doesn't redirect to /admin - so undo whatever you did that made that happen.
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10:46<ryu>i don't think he knows why his root was redirecting to /admin so he couldn't undo the change heh
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11:06<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • CAA type DNS records <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12510&p=73232#p73232>
11:06<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:13<Andrew_>Have Linode cPanel?
11:13<relidy>!cpanel
11:13<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
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11:22<Woet>im guessing he was on dial up, using only 3 words to save his bandwidth
11:22<Woet>too bad linbot gave such a long winded answer
11:23<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Woet: such a smart ass
11:23<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>sm@rt @ss
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11:23<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>sm@rt @$$
11:23<Woet>dwfreed: ]{][}[]{][}[]{][ is using offensive language towards me
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11:25<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>Woet: hows NL
11:25<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>are you in AMS or Rotterdam ?
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11:26<Woet>you do know NL has more than two cities right
11:26<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>yeah but nobody lives in those other cities
11:27<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>I know a guy from NL who is named Wim Boot
11:27<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>lol
11:28<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>I bet you don't live in NL though
11:28<]{][}[]{][}[]{][>I bet you live in Australia
11:28<dzho>heh
11:28<dzho>oh, wait.
11:29<dzho>the Dutch emigrant to the southern Anglosphere I read about recently was in NZ
11:29<dzho>complaining about, wait for it ... immigrants
11:30<Cromulent>heh
11:42<trippeh>uhm did frankfurt ssh lish change host key???
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11:44<@mcintosh>trippeh: it has the same fingerpint as singapore at the moment - a fix is in the works
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11:46<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • CAA type DNS records <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12510&p=73233#p73233>
11:46<trippeh>mcintosh: ah, thank you for the info
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12:42<mydog2>hey.. i see this is the "official" IRC for linode..
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>yep
12:43<mydog2>is there someone here who works for linode that I can have a PM/email with?
12:43<dzho>!to mydog2 ops
12:43<linbot>mydog2: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>For private matters you should use the contact info in that link^
12:44<FluffyFoxeh>they don't do account stuff over IRC
12:44<FluffyFoxeh>if you just have general questions though then you can ask them here :)
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12:48<@cmullen>Hey mydog2 you can just open up a ticket and we'll walk through whatever questions you have. Once you have that ticket just pm me your ticket number.
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12:51<dzho>so I guess that would be "they don't do account stuff over IRC [without a ticket]"
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12:51<nate>dzho: No, that's basically cmullen offering to jump to his ticket by reference
12:51<nate>:P
12:53<@cmullen>Other than like simple questions IRC wouldn't be the way to go for account specific things.
12:54<@cmullen>much easier/cleaner to keep that kind of stuff in the ticket system
12:54<dzho>fair enough
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13:10<mydog2>cmullen, -- sent you a pm.. can you take a look.. if the ticket is the way to go.. i'll sign up and create one
13:10<mydog2>thanks
13:11<MajObviousman>dzho: re sysadmin rolling into devop roles. That has always been the case, but now we have a different label. IMO quality sysadmins have a good handle on scripting to handle the weird tasks.
13:11<MajObviousman>so perhaps it's safer to say that good sysadmins are hipster devops
13:13<dzho>mydog2: cmullen already asked you to open the ticket so you should probably just go ahead and do that.
13:13<dzho>oh, I guess this is pre-sales?
13:13<dzho>hmm.
13:13<MajObviousman>this is enthusiasts and layabouts
13:13<MajObviousman>not sales, not support
13:13<dzho>it's the "sign up" part--so, not a current customer, one infers.
13:14*MajObviousman adds more distraction to an already-confused situation
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13:17<acald3ron>sudenly my linux box was shutdown.
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13:18<FluffyFoxeh>did you get an email?
13:22<acald3ron>i will check.
13:26<acald3ron>no, didnt get a email about the shutdown.
13:28<FluffyFoxeh>can you start it up again?
13:29<MajObviousman>I suppose it would be inappropriate to ask if you've tried turning it off and on again
13:29*MajObviousman is out of suggestions after that one
13:30<Cromulent>MajObviousman: I had a job interview once where the guy interviewing me was happy to see I didn't say I was a devop
13:30<Cromulent>even though that was basically the job
13:30<MajObviousman>I stay clear of that label myself
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13:32<Nivex>My title was "DevOps Engineer" at my last employ. My actual job duties were getting yelled at by the developers and my manager. Funny how the project managers liked me just fine though.
13:34<acald3ron>this is my syslog in that time: https://paste.debian.net/927078
13:35<acald3ron>this is my kern.log : https://paste.debian.net/927079/
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15:27<mike>hello
15:27<Peng>Hi
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15:27<Guest21>i need help pls
15:27<millisa>What do you need help with?
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15:28<Guest21>i want to know about your cloud server, is it a vps windows cloud server?
15:28<millisa>It's very similar to the digital ocean system you are coming from :)
15:28<millisa>They are vps's. Windows isn't supported, but some enterprising individuals have gotten it installed.
15:29<Woet>Guest21: no Windows, fortunately. Linux VPSes only.
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15:29<Guest21>i dont understand because i have not used digital ocean before
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15:29<millisa>Well, that is interesting.
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15:30<Woet>you're using it right now
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15:30<Woet>bye
15:30<defaultname>I was wondering if someone could help me understand the hosts file
15:30<FluffyFoxeh>lolwut
15:31<millisa>What about the hosts file do you need help understanding? It just maps names to ip addresses
15:31<defaultname>yeah but I am ready to host my website from that ip address
15:31<defaultname>originally the guide said to map 99.99.99.99 to a name such as a planet or philospher
15:32<defaultname>The problem i am having is that when I type in the hard ip my website comes up
15:32<defaultname>but when i use the dns nothing
15:32<millisa>the hosts file doesn't help everyone else translate a name into an IP - that's what DNS is for.
15:33<millisa>What's the domain name?
15:33<defaultname>wizardsstudy.com
15:33<grawity>1) DNS must have the correct mapping of domain -> IP, and 2) your webserver config must have the correct mapping of domain -> DocumentRoot
15:33<millisa>So that domain shows as having DNS located out at google. Did you make a record there that points to your ip?
15:34<defaultname>I used linodes dns manager last night
15:34<grawity>but the domain isn't hosted at linode
15:34<millisa>linode's dns manager would only help you if you had your domain pointed at linode's name servers.
15:35<defaultname>Under google I set the dns's registered hosts to my linodes ip address
15:36<millisa>under google's dns, do you see where you can create an 'A record'?
15:37<millisa>(also, feature request - have a buttons to add 5/10/25 life to your counters so it's easy to use your counters for non-standard games!)
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15:38<arlen>ಠ_ಠ
15:39<defaultname>Yes it is under custom resource records
15:39<defaultname>And I was planning on it haha
15:39<millisa>(your IP shows up in the 'whois' output)
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15:39<millisa>So, if you see where to create an A record, you want to create a record for the base domain pointed at your IP (which looks like 45.33.99.31?)
15:40<millisa>you may also want an A record for www.wizardsstudy.com (or a cname that points www to the main domain)
15:40<defaultname>yeah
15:40<MajObviousman>defaultname is back
15:42<millisa>look at that, an A record! ( dig -t a wizardsstudy.com @NS-CLOUD-C1.GOOGLEDOMAINS.COM )
15:42<millisa>http://wizardsstudy.com works for me now
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15:43<defaultname>Is there a reason that I wouldnt be using registered hosts?
15:43<defaultname>Thats what I originally had it under wizardsstudy.com under hostname and my ipv4
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15:45<millisa>pretty sure 'registered hosts' is googledns's way of talking about glue records.
15:46<defaultname>so when you say a cname that points to the www in the domain
15:46<defaultname>i would create a cname that points www.wizardsstudy.com to wizardsstudy.com
15:46<millisa>yep
15:47<millisa>there's not an automatic assumption that www.foo.com is also foo.com. It's usually the case for most people and you have to set it up in dns. a cname is like an alias - it makes it so you only need to change the IP in one place if you move hosts
15:47<defaultname>so the first field being www.wizardsstudy.com cname 1h wizardsstudy.com
15:47<millisa>yep
15:48<millisa>and now http://www.wizardsstudy.com works for me
15:48<millisa>good job
15:48<Nivex>don't CNAME to the root of a zone. A CNAME is an alias for _all types_, so www.foo.com would then get an SOA, NS, MX (if they exist), etc.
15:48<defaultname>so by having a cname if my ip were to change i would need to change the wizardsstudy.com value
15:48<defaultname>because the others point to that value using cname
15:51<millisa>Nivex's point is valid - you could consider making both the www and the base domain A records (so you'd have to change 2 places if you moved hosts). And then if you did future cnames you could point them at the www address
15:53<defaultname>so i changed the field to www a 1h 45.33.99.31
15:53<millisa>that'd address nivex's point. the overall way it looks to the end user should be about the same
15:55<defaultname>so now I am able to access my website from wizardsstudy.com but not from www.wizardsstudy.com I am guessing it still needs some time to point things
15:56<millisa>might just be a caching thing. if you are on windows, try restarting your 'dns cache' service. i see both working
15:56<millisa>it might be called 'dns client', i forget which.
15:57<defaultname>to clarify restart my pc's dns cache service not my server's
15:58<millisa>yeah. from what i can see, google's dns already has the 2 A records you setup
15:58<defaultname>I see it on my phone so i know that is working now
15:58<defaultname>that you so much
15:58<defaultname>thank you so much*
15:59<MajObviousman>maybe contemplate settling on a real nick?
15:59<millisa>as for the glue records question early - this is probably the simplest explanation I've found on what they are all about: https://wiki.gandi.net/en/glossary/glue-record (it might help you understand why it's probably not what you were looking for)
15:59<MajObviousman>seems like you're getting help here and might be back in the future
16:01<defaultname>MajObviousman would i use my own client to do that?
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16:01<MajObviousman>maybe. You don't have to
16:01<MajObviousman>try doing /nick walrusphonesystem or something
16:02<Eugene>ur a walrus
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16:03<FluffyFoxeh>no
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16:03<correcthorsebatterystaple>why not?
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16:03<FluffyFoxeh>you ruined my irc client :|
16:03<correcthorsebatterystaple>ah crap I forgot I was logged into idlerpg
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16:03<millisa>according to my irc client, you are 'correcthorsebat' and some crony named 'terystaple' likes hitting enter after everything you say
16:04<incorrecthorsebatterystapple>so would this save everytime?
16:04<incorrecthorsebatterystapple>to this website
16:04<MajObviousman>I do not believe it will
16:04<MajObviousman>but you can just do that /nick command again next time
16:04<MajObviousman>odds are high you'll want your own client if you decide to stick around
16:05<incorrecthorsebatterystapple>any good recommendations on clients for windows
16:05<millisa>mirc, hexchat, quassel?
16:06<MajObviousman>out of those, hexchat
16:06<MajObviousman>good compromise of little work and little suck
16:06<incorrecthorsebatterystapple>That was the one I was thinking of
16:07<incorrecthorsebatterystapple>myirc I need to register and is free for 30 days hexchat is opensource
16:07<MajObviousman>mirc is a boat anchor of 25 years of development. quassel is good for multiplexing clients together, but that introduces complication. If you like IRCing, you'll probably want to look at it in a few weeks or months
16:07<millisa>hexchat exists for win32/linux/osx - so you could stick to something familiar if you bounce around platforms
16:07*MajObviousman sticks with screen+irssi
16:08<MajObviousman>12 years of quality service so far
16:08<FluffyFoxeh><-- weechat + tmux because I'm a hipster
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>:v
16:08<MajObviousman>odd usage of that term. Wouldn't it be the other way around?
16:08<Nivex>irssi + tmux ftw
16:09<Nivex>on windows, I concur with hexchat
16:09<zifnab>suggestion: pick a nick that isn't shit
16:09<MajObviousman>right
16:09<MajObviousman>my nick suggestion was for humor
16:09<MajObviousman>nicks aren't forever, but it's wise to think of them as nearly
16:10<MajObviousman>also, it should be pointed out that using whole, simple English words such as xkcd suggests actually reduces entropy instead of increasing it
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>MajObviousman: nah because irssi and screen are too mainstream
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>:p
16:11<MajObviousman>they are?
16:11<MajObviousman>TIL
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>idk that seems to be the norm for people with that kind of CLI IRC client setup
16:11<zifnab>obviously you should do it in german
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>irssi has been around forever
16:11<Meyer_>I remember when irssi was new.
16:11<MajObviousman>it works. I've heard screen code is ugly AF and tmux is orders of magnitude better, so that's good incentive to move up
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16:12<FluffyFoxeh>I use screen to launch foreground programs into the background, and tmux to use multiple shells in one SSH session
16:12<FluffyFoxeh>screen is good at the former and bad at the latter
16:12<MajObviousman>FluffyFoxeh: <command> & ?
16:12<zifnab>MannEistApfelEichörnchen > *
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16:13<zifnab>you'd be suprised though how many times a non-ascii character breaks a password implementation
16:13<FluffyFoxeh>MajObviousman: yeah but that's a pain compared to having multiple independent "windows" :p
16:13<zifnab>i highly recommend irccloud
16:13<zifnab>it costs less than running a znc yourself
16:13<FluffyFoxeh>MajObviousman: or if you meant for launching programs into the background, I meant if I want to launch them and then disconnect
16:13<MajObviousman>well, if all you're doing on the thing running znc is znc, then yeah
16:13<FluffyFoxeh>like my Limnoria bot
16:14<MajObviousman>FluffyFoxeh: ahh. TMux allows disconnect/reconnect yes?
16:14<FluffyFoxeh>yep
16:14*MajObviousman is still confused why you wouldn't just use tmux for all of that
16:14<FluffyFoxeh>tmux is less intuitive for programatically starting things and detaching from them, IMO
16:14<MajObviousman>ah
16:14<dwfreed>screen -dmS <name> <command>
16:14<FluffyFoxeh>compared to screen -dm
16:14<MajObviousman>well, ok
16:15<MajObviousman>in screen I know you can define windows and commands to run in those windows in screenrc. I guess I assumed tmux did that as well
16:15<FluffyFoxeh>I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying I already knew how to do it with screen and didn't bother to find out how to do it with tmux
16:16<MajObviousman>fair enough
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16:43<Greg>Hi, is it possible to add more storage to a Linode instance?
16:44<millisa>not without increasing the instance's cpu/memory. they are all tied together right now.
16:44<millisa>we're all holding our breath for an imminent block storage beta
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16:44<Greg>:(
16:45<Greg>is there an ETA for that?
16:45<FluffyFoxeh>not as far as I know
16:45<arlen>one of the calendar months
16:45<Greg>thank you!
16:45<millisa>a certain pastry-like ceo hinted that it'd be in newark soon
16:47<millisa>http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2017/04/07#16:34
16:47<@cmullen>haha devs are chugging away at that one, thing have been going well but we still don't have an ETA on that just yet. www.avn.com
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16:47<@cmullen>haha the ultimate goofed copy paste
16:47<millisa>hah!
16:48<@mcintosh>XD
16:48<@cmullen>pardon me
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16:48<@mcintosh>cmullen pasting his bookmarks by accident ;)
16:48*cmullen hangs up the keyboard
16:48<millisa>We all have to investigate spam...
16:51<@cmullen>love you #linode
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16:59<zifnab>well, you ruined it cmullen. now everyone knows what happens at the linode office.
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16:59<ckamon>hi
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16:59<ckamon>jo
16:59<zifnab>moo
16:59<ckamon>Hello
17:00<ckamon>Is there any one here
17:00<ckamon>?
17:00<millisa>lots of folks
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17:01<ssaasdwedews>hello
17:01<millisa>greetings again
17:01<ssaasdwedews>i need VPS
17:01<millisa>great! linode sells those.
17:02<ssaasdwedews>Do you have IP from almaty
17:02<ssaasdwedews>?
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17:02<millisa>The city in Kazakhstan?
17:02<ssaasdwedews>yes
17:02<ssaasdwedews>i need IP from there
17:02<@mcintosh>that isn't something we have
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17:03<millisa>These are their datacenters: https://www.linode.com/speedtest
17:03<ssaasdwedews>from where u have ?
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17:03<ssaasdwedews>ok
17:03<ssaasdwedews>thanks
17:03<millisa>sure thing
17:03<@mcintosh>!point millisa
17:03<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to millisa. (16)
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17:07<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • institut de massage lyon <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14705&p=73234#p73234>
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17:13<gecco>hey linode, is there a way to manually set the MAC address of your Ethernet adapter that connects to my instance?
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17:13<gecco>or is there a way a sysadmin can tell KVM to use a specific mac address?
17:13<Nivex>nope. it's randomly generated and assigned as a unique identifier
17:14<MajObviousman>if you are needing a specific mac, you can create an aliased network adapter using macvlan
17:15<MajObviousman>gecco: http://www.pocketnix.org/posts/Linux%20Networking:%20MAC%20VLANs%20and%20Virtual%20Ethernets
17:15<gecco>this is a linux 2.6v slack I think, its a hardware appliance I made virtual
17:15<MajObviousman>ooh, wow. Ok then. GLHF
17:15<gecco>its old as shit, but was physical, I was able to get it to run virtual, but I believe it uses the MAC addresses as verifiers to the serial it has internally, not sure I can change them
17:16<gecco>GLHF?
17:16<MajObviousman>you can assign another mac address to your interface
17:16<MajObviousman>good luck have fun
17:17<gecco>yeah... AWS prohibits this too
17:17<MajObviousman>I don't know what that would do to your networking to Linode. I haven't tried it
17:17<gecco>well, I did get it working in vmware, so that's good
17:17<MajObviousman>log in on lish and give it a whirl
17:17<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Download disk image over SSH <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14471&p=73194#p73194>
17:17<gecco>yeah, I wonder if they are able to make exceptions, I'm sure they have control over this
17:19<MajObviousman>exceptions require extra work
17:23<gecco>thanks maj, take it easy
17:23<gecco>thanks niv
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17:45<Eugene>catch { return true; }
17:46<dwfreed>MajObviousman: changing your mac address from within the Linode would result in 0 network connectivity
17:46<dwfreed>MajObviousman: first check in the host filters is 'does the mac address match what it should be?'
17:46<MajObviousman>is what I figured
17:46<MajObviousman>but ya know, no harm in trying and discovering that for oneself
17:46<MajObviousman>builds character
17:47<dwfreed>also, with virtio, it's possible it's prevented from being changed
17:48<Eugene>Really? How?
17:49<Eugene>Its none of the hosts' business what the VM does, so if it thinks it can use a MAC I don't know how you would stop it from attempting to send that into the virtio NIC. I'm sure the host can(and does) just drop whatever garbage in ebtables, but the vtnet driver can do it too?
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17:52<dwfreed>Eugene: Kernel allows network drivers to refuse MAC address changes
17:52<dwfreed>I don't know if the virtio-net driver implements this, though
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17:57<Eugene>Interesting. I would expect the guest to crash
17:57<Eugene>But I guess that's driver-dependent
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18:07<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • 500 server error: Importerror: No Module named 'django' <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14704&p=73235#p73235>
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18:23<kdoggie>yo
18:23<kdoggie>empty?
18:24<linbot>kdoggie: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
18:24<millisa>i'm full.
18:24<kdoggie>word
18:24<millisa>but there's more cupcakes, so...
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18:24<dwfreed>millisa: I have red velvet oreos I haven't opened yet
18:25<dwfreed>I think they're calling me
18:25<kdoggie>anyone here work for linode
18:25<dwfreed>!ops
18:25<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
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18:26<kdoggie>have there been recent changes to linode support policies?
18:27<kdoggie>i notice a new message when i call in
18:27<kdoggie>also a new message posted on top of the support ticket page
18:27<millisa>I haven't called in, in a while. What did it say? (I haven't heard about any new policies)
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18:27<kdoggie>basically... we dont help with linux... we only help with linode specific account stuff...
18:27<kdoggie>so dont ask.
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18:28<kdoggie>it was never there before...
18:28<@cmullen>Hey kdoggie, we changed the phone system message up a little
18:28<kdoggie>and linode support has been amazing in the short time we have been here
18:28<kdoggie>hoping it has not changed
18:28<millisa>I don't remember the big message, but it sounds like the same policy they've had on support boundaries that they've always had
18:28<kdoggie>yeah its new...
18:29<kdoggie>i called in a bunch a few weeks ago and it was not there
18:29<@cmullen>technically the scope of our support is pretty limited. But our whole thing is we all have a little bit of an idea of what we are doing behind the wheel so we do our best to help when we can
18:29<@cmullen>it literally just changed
18:29<millisa>they probably were getting bogged down with requests that were outside their support boundary
18:29<@cmullen>like the 5th
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18:29<kdoggie>thanks connor!
18:30<kdoggie>that was the most attractive part of the company
18:30<kdoggie>the support
18:30<kdoggie>well we will see how it goes
18:30<@cmullen>We definitely willing to help, but we thought it might be a good idea to put that message in there both because the authentication part is pretty important and can really slow down a phonecall if someone isn't ready to authenticate themselves
18:30<kdoggie>thanks again
18:31<@cmullen>and truth be told we love crushing linux issues, but there are totally time when we really run into issue that are things we just don't know enough about.
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18:31<kdoggie>for sure there are limits to support
18:31<@cmullen>so it doesn't hurt to put it out there that you know there are limitations to what we can do.
18:31<@cmullen>but don't let that stop you from reaching out.
18:31<kdoggie>hehe
18:31<kdoggie>thanks again for the honest answer
18:32*rsdehart calls up Linode support for tax advice
18:32<@cmullen>even if we aren't 100% with an answer, we usually know enough to be helpful
18:32<@cmullen>hahahahahaha #don'tpaythem
18:32<@cmullen>just kidding, pay your taxes plz
18:32<kdoggie>i hope the higher ups there realize what an asset you are to this company.
18:32<rsdehart>"My neighbor's dog won't stop barking. What should I do?"
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18:33<@mcintosh>!point cmullen
18:33<@mcintosh>!point cmullen
18:33<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to cmullen. (3)
18:33<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to cmullen. (4)
18:33<@mcintosh>;D
18:33<kdoggie>!point cmullen
18:33<linbot>kdoggie: Point given to cmullen. (5)
18:33<@cmullen>thanks kdoggie we are doing our best. the higher ups definitely show the love.
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18:34<millisa>Customer: I have problem $foo
18:34<millisa>LinodeSupport: Do you have some bacon?
18:34<@cmullen>with each point my power grows!
18:34<Eugene>Have you tried turning it off and back on again
18:34<millisa>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSReSGe200A
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18:34*cmullen looks up at cakers number one headband
18:34<@cmullen>haha
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18:38<MajObviousman>cmullen: don't spend those points all in one place
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19:31<zifnab>man, i miss drussell
19:31<zifnab>where'd he go
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19:32<millisa>Russia?
19:33<zifnab>oO
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19:33<zifnab>he was one i actually spoke to on the phone once about a routing issue
19:34<Peng>...Russia?
19:34<millisa>looks like thegrebs log is missing for that day
19:34<zifnab>wait, he's actually in russia
19:35<zifnab>why?
19:35<millisa>https://vomitb.in/xrdj23Luxt
19:35<millisa>maybe i'm reading that wrong?
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19:35<zifnab>huh
19:35<Peng>maybe for LiveJournal ;D
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19:36<millisa>other than a logon/off a few days later from the same ip, that's the last my logs show
19:39<zifnab>ISP in Republic of Moldova
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19:53<james>hello
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19:53<arlen>hi
19:53<millisa>Greetings
19:53-!-james is now known as Guest38
19:53<Guest38>are ya guys based in the US ?
19:53<arlen>the support team is
19:53<arlen>but Linode has data centers outside of the US
19:54<Guest38>i mean are you DMCA compliant ?
19:54<arlen>yes they are
19:54<arlen>!abuse
19:54<linbot>Linode's abuse contact is abuse@linode.com , as shown in the abuse contact info for the IP address in question. https://www.iana.org/help/abuse-answers shows how to look this up yourself.
19:54<Guest38>our competitior keep filing stupid DMCA for no reason
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19:55<millisa>dmca got 'em!
19:55<arlen>lol
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21:43<veecious>does anyone recall the command to see what ports are listening on my server?
21:43<Ikaros>Try netstat -l
21:43<Ikaros>That's a lowercase "L" in case your font's weird
21:44<veecious>roger i was thinking of lsof but that works
21:46<dwfreed>netstat -Wplntu
21:46<dwfreed>Wide, program, listening, numeric, tcp, udp
21:46<veecious>what does wide do?
21:47<dwfreed>makes it so none of the IP addresses displayed are truncated
21:47<dwfreed>most useful with IPv6 addresses
21:47<veecious>ah ok
21:47<Ikaros>That too, I gave you the basic switch for it, that gives you informative output
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21:48<veecious>yea i got it i already existed prompt or i would of looked it up
21:48<Ikaros>Obviously, the -p switch (which shows associated programs) won't work for non-owned processes, e.g you can only get process info for your own processes unless you run that as root.
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21:53<dwfreed>netstat will tell you this
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21:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How do you check the log? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10913&p=73236#p73236>
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22:18<millisa>holy necropost
22:21<Ikaros>That's a term I've not heard in a while
22:22*Ikaros remembers all the warnings he used to hand out years and years ago on a gaming forum
22:22<millisa>I like to think that the original poster just got a notification and said 'Finally!'
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22:41<Eugene>Mmmmmm fresh necro
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23:42<Passerby>From a remark in that thread: Why would AWStats be considered "outdated?"
23:43<dwfreed>it has some pretty significant gaps in releases
23:45<dwfreed>from the date of the post, the last release of awstats was 8 months before that; it wouldn't see another release for another year and a half
23:46<dwfreed>also things like Google Analytics tend to have more powerful insight possibilities
23:47<Passerby>I guess I never realized I was missing anything.
23:47<dwfreed>Google Analytics will tell you how long a user was on a page
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