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00:26<kyhwana> /win goto #kiwicon
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00:31<kyhwana>uuhhh
00:31<kyhwana>https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2016-10229/
00:31<kyhwana>Vulnerability Details : CVE-2016-10229
00:31<kyhwana>udp.c in the Linux kernel before 4.5 allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code via UDP traffic that triggers an unsafe second checksum calculation during execution of a recv system call with the MSG_PEEK flag.
00:32<Peng>:>
00:32<Peng>Linux.
00:32<FluffyFoxeh>that sounds bad
00:32<Peng>Yes.
00:34<kyhwana>yes
00:34<kyhwana>Just came up today
00:36<FluffyFoxeh>does that mean I have to update my phone
00:36<FluffyFoxeh>I really don't want android 7
00:36<FluffyFoxeh>I like working email
00:36<dwfreed>I have working email, and I'm on 7.1.2
00:36<dwfreed>:P
00:37<FluffyFoxeh>I've heard things about K-9 Mail on Android 7 not syncing/push mail being broken
00:37<dwfreed>I mean, just disable Doze for it
00:37<dwfreed>should work fine
00:37<FluffyFoxeh>that doesn't work according to some people on the bug report
00:38<Peng>https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2017-04-01
00:38<FluffyFoxeh>https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/857#issuecomment-289342616
00:38<Peng>(CVE-2016-10229 is about 1/3 of the way down the page.)
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00:58<kyhwana>hmm
00:58<kyhwana>FluffyFoxeh: you need the 2017 april security updates, yes
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03:15<raj>why is ubuntu 16 setting `python` to python2?
03:15<raj>at this point it should relaly be 3
03:15<Peng>I've always disagreed with that. Why break Python 2 programs by renaming stuff?
03:16<raj>does it really break things if you can set the alias to whatever you want?
03:16<raj>I'm just saying for the default
03:21<JamesTK>Can't you change the default with alternatives?
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03:28<Guest161>hey guys is there a way to get windows on a linode plan?
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03:29<nate>Technically yes. With support? no :P
03:29<nate>Look at the linode guides
03:29<nate>there's a couple that give a rough example on how to do it I believe
03:31<Peng>!winode
03:31<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
03:35<Guest161>great! thank you @nate
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03:45<Ajay>Hi
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03:46<Ajay>How to install gandi's Standard SSL Certificate on my linux server...using nginx
03:47<Peng>https://www.google.com/search?q=gandi+nginx+ssl should have a few tutorials
03:48<Peng>https://nicolas.perriault.net/code/2012/gandi-standard-ssl-certificate-nginx/ looks probably accurate
03:48<Peng>Though i'd follow https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS for the general SSL configuration, beyond the certificate and private key.
03:50<dcraig>how to install peng on my desktop?
03:50<Peng>Step 1: Chloroform
03:51<Peng>Nope, too dark. Cancel the Peng show and put on something else.
03:51<dcraig>the peng show is the only reason I subscribe to this thing
03:59<FluffyFoxeh>what about the gong show
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04:25<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Let's encrypt bash script! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13633&p=73241#p73241>
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04:35<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Daily database backup <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14707&p=73242#p73242>
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05:25<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] firewalld and ipset (country blacklist) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14708&p=73243#p73243>
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05:36<Woet>> blocking entire countries
05:36<Woet>> top tip
05:36<Woet>found the trump supporter
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05:54<sh>hello
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06:25<rick111>hey
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07:06<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Multitail (live multi-file log display) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14709&p=73244#p73244>
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09:37<Saeed>Hello
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09:40<amayer>Saeed: Hello
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09:41<seb__>Hello
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09:42<seb__>I'm interested in knowing whether linode VPS support the use of stunnel?
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09:43<dzho>seb__: if you know how to use stunnel, you can run it on a linode VPS
09:43<seb__>What do you mean exactly?
09:43<dzho>and by "use" I mean: install, configure, and maintain.
09:44<seb__>Ok
09:44<seb__>Well, I'm not an expert
09:44<dzho>and by install I mean, install it and all dependencies, including the underlying operating system.
09:44<seb__>I'm using the manual
09:45<seb__>Anyway, it's supported right... that's my question
09:45<dzho>I like to think there is a range of abilities between "competent" and "expert" that keep open the possibility of avoiding immediate suffering.
09:45<dzho>seb__: you get a virtual machine meant to run Linux on.
09:45<dzho>there are some provisions for helping you install Linux, but after that, it's all reading manuals or knowing what you are doing.
09:46<seb__>I mean
09:46<seb__>I'm not reading Linode manuals
09:46<seb__>Just manuals for stunnel
09:46<dzho>seb__: have you ever administered, or even used, a Linux system before?
09:47<Woet>seb__: anything that runs on Linux runs on Linode.
09:47<seb__>Yes. And why the fuck do you care? There are some virtual machines that don't support stunnel
09:47<seb__>OK?
09:47<dzho>Woet: let's play a game of Tux Racer!
09:47<dzho>seb__: ok, nevermind.
09:48<seb__>That's all I'm asking
09:48<Woet>seb__: only fake ones that use openVZ.
09:48<seb__>Is it possible to use stunnel
09:48<seb__>Exactly
09:48<Woet>seb__: and linode doesn't use openVZ.
09:49<Woet>seb__: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7357%3E
09:49<seb__>Yep
09:49<@nbrewer>It is possible to use stunnel on a Linode.
09:49<@nbrewer>let's leave it at that.
09:49<seb__>Thanks. Fantastic. That's all I want to know.
09:49<Woet>why? we're only getting started
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09:49<Woet>shame
09:50<Celti>I'm so glad I never got into playing with virtual machines until OpenVZ was something everybody knew was a horrible atrocity.
09:50<dzho>nbrewer: I like that. The use of "possible" rather than "supported".
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09:51*dzho enjoys reading these exchanges, not ever having used an OpenVZ VPS.
09:52<dzho>Every once in a while I see some site's products page and think "How bad could it be? Maybe I should try it out."
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09:52<dzho>Reading stuff like this helps push it back down on the priority/curiousity stack.
09:55<Meyer_>dzho: Well, nothing much to see
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09:56<Meyer_>dzho: Main issue in my experince is that many OpenVZ hosts overbook their hosts like crazy and don't know what they are doing
09:56<Meyer_>dzho: so performance = terrible
09:56<Meyer_>dzho: And then of course there are some limitations to what you can do
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11:07<Woet>why does that guy keep labelling his own topics [TOP TIP]
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11:07<Woet>because i disagree and i'm very upset because of this
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11:11<MajObviousman>Woet: Duty Calls https://www.xkcd.com/386/
11:12<ryu>yea but how does it really make you feel woet
11:12<Woet>depressed
11:12<Woet>suicidal
11:13<ryu>who does that guy think he is
11:13<Nivex>all that and a bag of chips apparently
11:13<Woet>MajObviousman: i dont have a forum account and i dont care enough yet
11:15<ryu>it should be labelled [medium tip] i feel
11:15<MajObviousman>Woet: well then cease the bitchery in here then
11:15<Woet>no
11:16<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:16<MajObviousman>Eugene: not EVERY day, surely
11:16<MajObviousman>I mean, there must be a day or two here and there that you take off, right?
11:16<MajObviousman>do you let your linodes take PTO?
11:16<ryu>only if they request 2 weeks in advance
11:17<Eugene>I have a few, I rotate between them
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11:24<jiggawattz>yo
11:25<jiggawattz>Did someone say this channel needed some ASS KICKERY?
11:25<jiggawattz>oh nvm "cease the bitchery"
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11:47<alexf>MajObviousman: The employees can't admit this, but users who say the things they can't are highly valued.
11:47<MajObviousman>(+1)
11:48<alexf>does anyone else have this issue with Atom: I set my perference to LF line endings. I open a document that has CRLF ending in it, so it uses those. I can convert the entire file to LF, but that replaces all contents as a git diff sees it. Is there any way to force Atom to use LF no matter what's already present in a file, and not also convert all existing line endings?
11:49<@pzona>!ask
11:49<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
11:49<alexf>lol pzona: do you feel that I've somehow violated my own rules?
11:50<@pzona>that's for the channel to decide alexf
11:50<alexf>Well I generally only use that command when I feel like someone is not asking for help sensibly, pzona
11:51<alexf>I wish I could have stretched out your name, Rick Sanchez style, and still have it highlight.
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12:07<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Consolidate SPF records from multiple domains into one <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14710&p=73247#p73247>
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12:07<MajObviousman>Woet: you know what to do
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12:09<Woet>jesus christ.
12:10<Nivex>Yes, my son?
12:10<Woet>no the mexican one that made my taco
12:10<MajObviousman>Nivex: bless us, oh Saint of IPv6, for we are foolish and cling to our quad octet ways
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12:11<Nivex>Woet: oh, sorry. Always getting mixed up with him ;)
12:11<Nivex>MajObviousman: heh, I'm seeding xubuntu 17.04 from my Linode, but I'm bound IPv6 only. Don't go through quite as much traffic that way :)
12:11<MajObviousman>no doubt
12:12*MajObviousman wonders how much attack traffic comes in on ipv6, if any
12:12<Nivex>will be nice when I actually do. I've got the quota to spare
12:12<MajObviousman>anyone got a network telecope handy?
12:13<alexf>Woet: you've taken my lord's name in vain. I'm triggered, outraged, and several levels of woke af.
12:13<Woet>alexf: me too but in my case its because that guy keeps using [TOP TIP] for shitty tips
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12:15<alexf>Woet: now you've compared your disprespect of OUR lord and savior to your petty concerns about top tips. Something something cis privledge, something something complete.
12:15<Woet>did you just assume the level of my concerns?
12:15<alexf>lol
12:15<alexf>Impressive turnabout, sir.
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12:16<alexf>But I'm still with MajObviousman on this one.
12:20*MajObviousman readies the wouff-hong
12:21<Nivex>now there's an obscure reference that only a few people in the channel will get
12:21<MajObviousman>with google, nothing is obscure
12:21<Nivex>de n8vnr
12:22<alexf>It is when I'm too lazy to look it my my got dang self
12:23<MajObviousman>you're advanced class?
12:23<MajObviousman>don't see too many of those around
12:23<alexf>hmm?
12:23*MajObviousman directs that at Nivex
12:24<Nivex>MajObviousman: no. went general -> extra back in Feb.
12:24<MajObviousman>oh hah, I mistyped
12:24<MajObviousman>n8nvr is advanced class
12:25<MajObviousman>how was the antenna theory for the new extra exam? I squeaked mine in a few days before July 1 last year so I didn't see any of it
12:25<Nivex>my dad was advanced. he posited that the advanced test was harder than the current extra test and they should all be grandfathered.
12:26<Nivex>didn't seem too bad. I basically crammed on hamstudy.org the week before the exam.
12:26<MajObviousman>I found out later that I was studying from new-exam content
12:27<MajObviousman>I was like "WTF I can't understand this antenna black magic" so I just memorized questions and answers (which I hate doing)
12:27<Nivex>I was missing 4 and 5 on the practice test. I only missed 3 on the real deal.
12:27<MajObviousman>nice
12:27<alexf>Wow, you never really understand how boring your own nerd-talk is to non-nerds until you hear it on another subject you don't follow.
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12:27<MajObviousman>alexf: the only solution is to join in
12:27<MajObviousman>technician testing is free at SELF
12:28<MajObviousman>Nivex: are you a VE?
12:28<Nivex>MajObviousman: not yet
12:28<MajObviousman>there's still time
12:28<MajObviousman>I'm sure nb and southern_gentleman would appreciate another VE, especially considering the crowd last year
12:29*MajObviousman heads down for QBR and free lunch
12:29<alexf>yeano. Firstly, I'm not getting a free ticket to SELF anymore now that I don't work at Linode. Secondly, I have too many other nedy interests/hobbies without adding fucking ham radio to it. If my gf comes home to one of those things in our apartment, she'd probably leave me on the spot.
12:30<Nivex>If your SO threatens to leave you for pursuing your own interests, this might not be a bad thing.
12:32<Nivex>I bought a DMR HT to try out and my gf was all "Where's mine?" :)
12:32<alexf>dafuq is a DMR HT? Nevermind, I'm better off being ignoratnt to this subject.
12:33<alexf>And the point, Nivex, is that I already saturate her life with my own interests, most of which take up a ton of room in our place. A big ass radio would be a bit much to swallow on top.
12:33<Nivex>well, since you choose to be willfully ignorant, I'll stop arguing my side.
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12:34<Celti>Wow, why are people getting snippy over someone not wanting to pick up a new hobby?
12:34<Nivex>Celti: because a simple "No, thanks" would have sufficed
12:35<FluffyFoxeh>radios <3
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12:36<Nivex>Celti: furthermore alexf was the one who interjected. antagonistically I might add.
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12:38<alexf>It's true, I divide my time in here between helping and trolling, and this morning is troll-heavy
12:38<alexf>But damn, dems sweet lols
12:38*Nivex has added alexf to shitlist (http://boingboing.net/2007/04/19/irc-gets-a-shitlist.html)
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12:39<Nivex>also I'm a bit twitchy about the gf thing because my gf's ex-husband cut her off from everything she enjoyed. classic abuse tactic.
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>alexf is a cool guy
12:39<Nivex>FluffyFoxeh: I do not deal with trolls. Especially self-admitted ones.
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>just saiyan
12:40<alexf>Nivex: you've dealt with me for years!
12:41<alexf>My gf is also sensitive about these things because of her ex-husband, who ignored her in favor of some star wars MMORPG. I don't want to do the same with various nerdtivities
12:41<alexf>Oh, he can't see that anymore. Oh well.
12:42<alexf>Looks like I actually did trigger someone today.
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12:44<FluffyFoxeh>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:47<alexf>#staywoke
12:50*relidy has been lazy and hasn't upgraded past General class yet.
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12:55<croz>does linode have vhosts for bnc?
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12:57<arlen>they have servers you can run a bnc on
12:58<croz>yes but are there vhosts available
12:58<DrJ>croz, you can set a PTR on your IP
12:58<DrJ>but it must resolve to your linode IP
12:58<DrJ>linode itself provides no vhosts
12:59<croz>can u link me to ptr unfamiliar with that
12:59<DrJ>I'm bouncing through a linode with a vhost I set up
12:59<DrJ>DrJ is ~Bacon@bacon.bacon.mooo.com
12:59<DrJ>PTR is what an IP will resolve to
12:59<DrJ>in my case, I set it to bacon.bacon.mooo.com
13:00<Woet>[19:00:16] Woet has userhost ~me@woet.me and real name “Wouter van Eekelen”
13:00<Woet>thats my vhost
13:01<DrJ>so basically croz you either buy a domain for your vhost... or you do like I did and use a free subdomain service
13:01<DrJ>https://freedns.afraid.org/ <--place that has tons to pick from
13:02<Woet>vhosts dont even work without being a FQDN
13:02<Woet>on IRC that is
13:02<Woet>so even if linode didnt enforce it, you still need to
13:02<DrJ>some networks they work on
13:02<DrJ>most not
13:02<DrJ>most networks verify
13:03<croz>thanks guys
13:03<croz>:D
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13:16<SpaceCase>Good afternoon! If I've forgotten my username and email used to setup my account, is there any other way to recover my information without calling?
13:18<@mcintosh>i'm not sure what other option there could be
13:18<@mcintosh>besides calling, that is
13:20<SpaceCase>I figured! Shot in the dark :) But thank you!
13:21<@mcintosh>no problem
13:26<Woet>SpaceCase: check your password manager
13:26<Woet>and if you dont use one, start using one :)
13:26<SpaceCase>@Woet, It's on my home PC :)
13:27<Woet>your password manager isn't synced/backed up?
13:27<Woet>ouch
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13:42<SpaceCase>@Woet Only locally.
13:42<Woet>well thats a bad idea
13:43<MajObviousman>alexf: how far out from Charlotte are you now? You might could get a ride with someone if you were wanting to attend
13:44<MajObviousman>would be fun to hang out without having to man a booth, I wager
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13:47<alexf>I'm in NJ
13:48<alexf>I wouldn't mind driving myself down, but then there's the getting time off from work, the price of admission itself, etc.
13:48<alexf>Oh and lodging!
13:48<MajObviousman>which is free
13:48<MajObviousman>you could be a core volunteer and get free lodging
13:48<MajObviousman>might even comp the train ride down
13:48<MajObviousman>... but then you'd be just as busy as if you were manning a booth, if not more so
13:48<alexf>ugh, I'm already volunteering at WriteTheDocs in May. My altruism only runs so deep.
13:49<MajObviousman>makes sense. SELF is the only conference I invest in
13:50<alexf>Maybe if some of the Arch-Arm friends I made in years prior wanted to put me up...
13:50<alexf>I don't remember who amongst you/them was currently local there, or just "from" there.
13:51<MajObviousman>Jason's reasonably local, IIRC
13:59<@jfred>previous conversation reminds me that I really need to try and get a ham license sometime
14:01<MajObviousman>you've got time
14:02<MajObviousman>lotta hams ain't going anywhere. Of course a lot of them are aging out of the hobby
14:04<Nivex>I had the scary realization that I'm eligible for QCWA in a couple months.
14:04*jfred mostly just wants to play around with the packet radio stuff :P
14:05<@jfred>not like I can get LoS to anything at all though being on the second floor of a city building
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14:07<dwfreed>jfred: LoS isn't as important as you might think; also, most packet takes place on HF anyway
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14:07<dwfreed>come to SELF, we'll have free ham exams
14:10<Nivex>traditional/connection-oriented packet isn't used as widely anymore. APRS is more popular
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14:11<MajObviousman>Nivex: you're not that old, are you?
14:11<Nivex>how old do you think I am? :)
14:12<MajObviousman>late 30s or early 40s?
14:12<Nivex>quite right
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14:12<MajObviousman>you got an early start then
14:13<dwfreed>see, I would have thought younger
14:13<Nivex>I just had my Monty Python birthday
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14:14<Nivex>(for those that don't get the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZaUwG50zI)
14:14*MajObviousman pretends to know what a Monty Python birthday is. "That's really great" *clears throat nervously*
14:14<MajObviousman>aha
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14:23<alexf>dwfreed: will you be attending SELF, all the way back on the east coast?
14:24<dwfreed>alexf: I'm in the Midwest these days, but even when I was on the best^Wwest coast, I attended
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14:24<alexf>neat.
14:25<Nivex>dwfreed: wait, when did you move back?
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14:26<dwfreed>Nivex: May 2016
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15:11<tanja84dk>is there a way to convert a linode ( debian 8 ) from 32 bit to 64 bit without destroying the server first
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15:12<MajObviousman>how many candles do you have, and what's the skill level of your rhythmic chant?
15:13<tanja84dk>I'm using this kernel "4.9.15-x86_64-linode81" but dpkg is still reporting the system as a 32 bit
15:14*Nivex chuckles at MajObviousman
15:15<Nivex>I read up on the procedure once. Yes, you're better off reinstalling.
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15:18<alexf>tanja84dk: if all you need is the 64 bit kernel, say to take advantage of platform upgrades, you can just switch the kernel. If you actually want 64 bit binaries and user space, then yes you should probably just make a new Linode and copy the data over.
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15:19<tanja84dk>What is the procedure then? because the only thing there is on the servre at this moment is a openvpn server but unfortunally if I take that down ( new certificates etc ) then I lose contact to 4 other servers until tuesday because the management is on that openvpn network
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15:19<dwfreed>copy the certificates?
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15:20<alexf>tanja84dk: there no one procedure. One possibility is: 1) build new Linode and install software. 2) copy all certificates and config files. 3) test the holy bejesus out of it. 4) Swap IPs
15:20<tanja84dk>alexf: sadly we need to install 64bit software like docker-ce and that is not available to i386 ( I noticed )
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15:21<alexf>oh and 5) pick a deity and pray. Earlier this morning I was really pushing Jesus, but at the moment I'm digging some Vishnu
15:21<dwfreed>alexf: I mean, there technically is, with the way Debian is set up, but it's god awful, not for the faint of heart, and I'd probably barely manage to get it to work
15:22<alexf>dwfreed: yes, I thought we had already covered the idea that you "could" in-place upgrade, but it's generally considered a bad and terrible idea full of wrong and "oh dear vishnu why?"
15:22<tanja84dk>will look into it then, and how easy is it to get the ols certificate moved over, including being able to generate new certificates etc if needed?
15:24<alexf>tanja84dk: easy is a relative term. Base on the way you phrase these questions, I'm making assumptions about your experience in these matters and saying "not very". But the reality is that if you install the exact same version of the software (other than bitness) and then copy the exact config files you modified to the exact same place on the new filesystem, it should* just pick up where the old one left off.
15:25<alexf>*Terms and Conditions apply not valid in Alaska or Hawaii see dwfreed for details.
15:25<dwfreed>heh
15:26<alexf>someone should add that to Linbot as !terms
15:27<tanja84dk>Well yes I have never tried to move configurations where ssl is involved before so yeah I'm pretty new and a little afraid on that part. because I have never understanded how lets say cert signing and revoking actually works in practice
15:28<tanja84dk>so I have no idea of what when and why there is nedded to be the same
15:29<alexf>tanja84dk: for what we're describing doing, cert signing/revoking doesn't enter into play. Once the certs are created, they are valid so long as the host names lines up and DNS agrees.
15:30<alexf>Example: I hosted my blog on a Linode. When I migrated it to another platform, I just copied the SSL certificate and key, and imported it to the new platform. Once DNS started pointing my domain to the new host, everyghing was hunky dory
15:30<tanja84dk>alexf: well its not nginx/apache certs but openvpn so the key/cert is the auth
15:30<alexf>and?
15:30<tanja84dk>and you should be able to revoke those
15:30<alexf>Sure
15:30<alexf>but that has no bearing on the task at hand.
15:31<tanja84dk>and that is the way I have no idea of what when and why there is used there
15:31<alexf>^ does not make sense, when expecting English.
15:33<tanja84dk>So I'm not sure what is needed there to move back after the reinstall. Yeah I'm sorry my english is specially not the best today I'm danish ( english is second language ) and have a flue/cold so my head is not in the rigt place at this moment
15:34<alexf>It sounds like you're thinking that you might need to revoke/reissue certificates if you do this move, and/or the way you revoke/reissue/create certs might change once you're on the new server.
15:34<alexf>AFAIK, both of these assumptions are false*.
15:34<tanja84dk>alexf: Its more if there is files normally outside the openvpn directory there is needed for the sign and revoke process. Just to make sure where I have to make sure that I recover tyhe files after
15:34<alexf>That should be part of the "config" you copy over.
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15:35<alexf>any files you generated/edited after installing oVPN that in any way relate to that software should be copied.
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15:36<alexf>Amirite guys? Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?
15:36<arlen>yup
15:37<tanja84dk>good to hear Then I will take the backup right away and thanks. We only have used subfolders in /etc/openvpn ( like keys, cdd etc ) so thanks it should only be in there then. I just wanted to be sure
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15:39<MajObviousman>for the record, the imposition of "moving data over" is hopefully resolved and/or tidied up in your backup strategy, and the imposition of building a replacement system is hopefully resolved and/or tidied up with change management tooling of some kind
15:40<alexf>MajObviousman: I highly doubt that those sort of solutions are in place here.
15:40<MajObviousman>so moving from distro to same distro SHOULD in theory be inconsequential
15:41<MajObviousman>as do I. Hence why it is stated merely for the record
15:41<MajObviousman>more for those reading scrollback than anything
15:41<alexf>tanja84dk: do not forget steps 3 and 5 that I laid out above, they are critical to this sort of thing.
15:42<alexf>MajObviousman: SHOULD*, but that also assumes that the source server has had consistennt package updates.
15:43<tanja84dk>MajObviousman: I'm also going to test in another virtual machine first if it will work but taking a disk image of the server first because then I have a complete backup image of the server
15:44<tanja84dk>and we do have backups but they are almost only partials because they are taken live so in theory files/data could change under a backup
15:45<MajObviousman>tanja84dk: you might find these presentations useful re: how certificates work. https://self2014.grimoi.re/
15:53<tanja84dk>I will look into that thanks MajObviousman
15:53<MajObviousman>np
15:54<tanja84dk>First I just need to figure out why the dd over ssh wont work ( have done that several times before )
15:54<dwfreed>what error message are you getting?
15:55<tanja84dk>thats the weird part. I'm getting no error its just going back to promt after I enter my password that I just created in finnix
15:56<dwfreed>what command are you running?
15:56<tanja84dk>I used this guide https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/copying-a-disk-image-over-ssh/
15:56<dwfreed>and what command are you running?
15:56<tanja84dk>so ssh root@serverip "dd if=/dev/sda " | dd of=/home/archive/linode.img
15:57<tanja84dk>and the disk is sda
15:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • soin massage lyon <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14711&p=73248#p73248>
15:59<tanja84dk>I think I have found the issue 2 sec
16:01<tanja84dk>the command worked I just had a typo error in the dd of path and actually didnt notice dd reporting "dd: failed to open " because it wrote it before it asked for the ssh password
16:08<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Push Notifications on Mobile App <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14697&p=73216#p73216>
16:14<MajObviousman>so, future tip: any time you start a command with dd, you need to stop, stand up, walk around for 15 seconds to clear your head, then come back and look at your dd invocation very carefully before you hit enter
16:14<MajObviousman>that command has destroyed careers
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16:15<jiggawattz>MajObviousman:
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16:15<jiggawattz>"A young boy asked his dad "Dad, why is my sister's name Teresa?"? Dad answered: Becuase your mother loves easter, and Teresa is an anagram of Easter!" "Cool, thank's Dad!" said the boy. Dad responded "No problem, Alan".
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16:17<@mcintosh>haaaaaaahahahahaha
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16:18<tanja84dk>MajObviousman: so true or not use it if your sick or ill
16:18<tanja84dk>just in case
16:22<FluffyFoxeh>lmao
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16:24<@jfred>dd aka disk destroyer
16:25<Woet>why did jiggawattz get akilled this time?
16:25<dwfreed>s/disk/data/ because you can also dd to RAM :)
16:26<@jfred>dwfreed: ...oh dear
16:26<millisa>and pingfs!
16:26*jfred puts that on the list of things to never do
16:26<dwfreed>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mem
16:27<dwfreed>DON'T DO THAT
16:27<@jfred>but it's a command from the internet, how could I not run it? :P
16:29<dwfreed>and there's probably enough L1 cache that you won't wipe out dd itself by doing that, so it'll wipe everything until it gets into the wrong parts of kernel address space and the scheduler falls apart
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16:30<Nivex>this is what test VMs are for
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16:31<Nivex>it just said "Killed"
16:32<@jfred>fitting, I think
16:33<dwfreed>Nivex: anything in dmesg?
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16:33<felipe>hi
16:33<felipe>linode is offline in brasil
16:34<dwfreed>!mtr
16:34<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
16:34<Nivex>https://p.6core.net/p/FW9ApLRh3bGZASIXsBYLYm0H
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16:34<dwfreed>Nivex: nice
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16:35<felipe>someone can help?
16:35<relidy>!to felipe mtr
16:35<linbot>felipe: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
16:35<dwfreed>felipe: an MTR report (see the link linbot just gave) would be helpful
16:36<felipe>yap doest ping
16:36<felipe>the machine still offline
16:36<millisa>what IP?
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16:37<felipe>96.126.109.66
16:38<dwfreed>is the Linode running?
16:38<dwfreed>it doesn't respond to ping here either
16:38<felipe>yes doesn respond
16:39<millisa>have you logged into the linode manager to look at it from there?
16:39<dwfreed>so you should connect via Lish and find out why it's not responding
16:39<dwfreed>!lish
16:39<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
16:40<felipe>whi me the machine still in linode
16:40<felipe>where i can talk whit some pne from linedo
16:40<felipe>linode
16:40<Nivex>!contact
16:40<felipe>where*
16:40<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
16:41<Nivex>felipe: ^^^
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16:53<Stig_>My linode seems to be running but I cannot get contact. Can you see https://www.visible.no
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16:53<millisa>it pings for me
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16:54<millisa>nmap says 22/80/443 are closed on it
16:54<Stig_>Thanks. Can I get blocked from linode if I "work to hard" on the server?
16:55<dwfreed>no
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16:55<relidy>Look at millisa, going the extra mile with nmap!
16:55<relidy>!point millisa
16:55<linbot>relidy: Point given to millisa. (17)
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16:56<millisa>Stig_: probably should get on lish and check out the system from the console
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16:58<Stig_>Thanks
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17:14<MajObviousman>dwfreed: you know people run the random commands that get posted in here, right?
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17:14<dwfreed>MajObviousman: yes, I've seen the rm noobfarm quote
17:14<dwfreed>!rm
17:14<linbot>http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=974
17:14*Peng winces
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17:17<arlen>lol
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17:21<relidy>It's a bit of a relief not to have anything embarrassing show up in search results there.
17:22<BDIkaros>relidy: Why, you have something you're embarrased about that happened here?
17:22<relidy>I ... I don't think so, but that doesn't exactly stop someone from spoofing it :)
17:23*relidy begins furiously searching chat logs.
17:24<BDIkaros>That's kind of what sucks with chat logs...so very, very easily falsified
17:24<BDIkaros>:(
17:24<BDIkaros>Pretty much why in general I don't accept them as evidence of anything on my network.
17:25<BDIkaros>Screenshots are a little more believable but I'd have to look out for Photoshopping tricks.
17:26<relidy>I work with a bunch of graphic artists. When they really try to obscure a change, it's really difficult to tell anything was done.
17:28<Peng>Fortunately it is extremely difficult to Photoshop black and white, fixed with, non-antialised text.
17:28<Peng>width*
17:29<BDIkaros>Indeed.
17:30<BDIkaros>Which is why I say this - if you have nothing but text logs that you're trying to present to me for, say, user harrassment (which is against the network rules on my end), you're getting turned down because of the fact text is very, very easily falsified. If on the other hand you present a screenshot of your client proving it's your client and that the said harrassment occurred when you said it did, then I'll do something.
17:30<BDIkaros>I'm not going to slam the hammer down on an innocent user
17:31<BDIkaros>'cause then I'd have to rectify that, then come back and throw the other guy off for making a false report, and it's a hassle. :(
17:31<arlen>throw 'em in the slammer!
17:32<BDIkaros>arlen: Oh the days I used to just use a shun command as opposed to a ban...oh those stupid fools thinking they're getting away with breaking the rules when all the while their client's virtually been choked.
17:33<BDIkaros>I suppose a more uh...peaceful...way to deal with it
17:34<BDIkaros>Or is it better to say "less forceful"
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17:38<Peng>You trust text logs from no one?
17:39<BDIkaros>Peng: Nope, because you know how often I've been tricked like that and had to reverse course because I found out it was a deliberate lie just to troll someone or get someone else kicked off?
17:40<Peng>Who the hell are your friends o_o
17:40<BDIkaros>Who said they were my friends
17:40<Peng>Heh
17:40<BDIkaros>I'm not generally trusting of anyone anyway
17:42<BDIkaros>And it sucks in the text logs issue 'cause I find out it's falsified, I feel like complete shit that I got tricked and then have to turn around and permanently ban the other guy for pulling that in the first place.
17:42<BDIkaros>I don't mess around in that case.
17:42<BDIkaros>'cause I feel like crap for falling for that and you know for damn sure someone's gonna feel the result of that.
17:42<millisa>dmesg: Out of memory: Kill process 4733 (mysqld) score 275 or sacrifice child
17:42<millisa>Ikaros: LIAR!
17:43<MajObviousman>BDIkaros: shun =~ shadow ban?
17:44<BDIkaros>MajObviousman: Not really, it's more like uh...hmm...
17:44<BDIkaros>How do I put this...
17:44<millisa> /shame = dings a bell after every carriage return and has 'Shame!' come out the speakers?
17:45<BDIkaros>MajObviousman - it's essentially a server-side ignore set on a client that blocks it from using most commands (usually every command including PRIVMSG, but excluding PING/PONG and sometimes JOIN/QUIT/PART depending on the implementation)
17:46<MajObviousman>sounds like a shadow ban
17:47<BDIkaros>And some implementations allow you to suppress telling the client they're shunned, or just tell them anyway when they try to use a command that the shun prohibits
17:47<MajObviousman>messages come back to the shunned client, but PRIVMSG et all going out are silently dropped. Since IRC protocol doesn't have an ack, client can't detect the difference
17:48<BDIkaros>I mean the client can still connect/disconnect and do connection registration, and in some cases still join/part channels, so in essence it's not a true ban.
17:49<BDIkaros>As the connection itself is still being permitted in most cases.
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18:12<defaultName>Does anyone with PHP experience mind helping me out?
18:14<@mcintosh>!ask
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18:14<millisa>incorrecthorsebatterystaple? is that you?
18:15<defaultName>yeah
18:15<defaultName>hello again
18:15<defaultName>http://www.wizardsstudy.com/setup.html should feed the password into a php file called setupsubmission.php
18:15<defaultName>but I get a not found page when it tries to access the file
18:16<defaultName>it is in the same directory as setup.html
18:17<millisa>are you setting case correctly?
18:17<millisa>did you possibly capitalize 'Submission' in your form action?
18:17<millisa>maybe somewhere around line 57?
18:18<arlen>!point millisa
18:18<linbot>arlen: Point given to millisa. (18)
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18:20<defaultName>I did spell submission wrong (I forgot to capitalize) but I when trying to $_POST from the previous page it does not give the proper input
18:20<defaultName>wait
18:21<defaultName>I think I spelt it wrong again
18:21<millisa>(your file was 'setupsubmission.php', your form action had 'setupSubmission.php'
18:21<defaultName>That is correct
18:22<defaultName>Alright I have the base functionality working now, thank you!
18:22<millisa>great.
18:22<millisa>remember to sanitize your inputs
18:26<defaultName>I will remember that before I try importing it into the database
18:35<defaultName>If I would like to pass in variables from html into the php file is there an easy way
18:36<defaultName>I tried $format = $_POST["format"]; but I believe it is looking for an input with the name "format"
18:36<defaultName>Is there any easy way to bypass this or a way to pass those variable through a form without the user seeing?
18:38<relidy>defaultName: <input type="hidden" name="format" value="something">
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18:38<relidy>That's not proof against prying eyes or tampering, so again, sanitize your inputs.
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18:44<nate>defaultName: If the browser can see it, the user can manipulate it
18:44<nate>nothing you put in the markup, javascript, etc, is 'safe', at all, it can be manipulated, which is entirely the point of backend validating and sanitizing
18:45<defaultName>I am guessing I validate it after it is passed into the php but before inputted to the SQL server
18:46<dwfreed>yes
18:46<defaultName>also I am trying to pass in an html variable under the value tag
18:46<defaultName><input type='hidden' name='formatSend' value=format>
18:46<defaultName>where format is a value
18:46<defaultName>Wait a second I think I got it
18:51<defaultName>With my page I am generating new tags with the users input
18:51<defaultName>as click next variables change and the user is asked to fill out more forms
18:52<defaultName>on the form to pass it into the php I am attempting to pass variable format into the next page
18:52<defaultName>I am using this to pass it in
18:52<defaultName>"<input type='hidden' name='formatSend' value='"+format.toString()"'>"
18:52<defaultName>where I am generating the innerHTHML of the div to create the form
18:53<defaultName>I am trying to pass the format variable correctly into the php
18:54<defaultName>I forgot the second + to connect the strings
18:54<defaultName>but anyways
18:55<defaultName>Is that a smart method to pass things into php or should I create one large form
18:55<defaultName>I personally think it looks nicer the current way it is set up
18:55<defaultName>http://www.wizardsstudy.com/setup.html
18:56<defaultName>I have not sanitized anything yet but will be learning how to do that before sending it into an sql database
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20:39<defaultName>When using $data = filter_var($data, FILTER_SANATIZE_STRING); to filter my data
20:40<defaultName>when I try to echo the data onto the webpage it is blank
20:43<millisa>FILTER_SANITIZE_STRING?
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20:44<defaultName>I really should copy paste instead of retyping from w3 schools
20:44<defaultName>but yes thank you
20:44<defaultName>Another question about sanitizing
20:44<defaultName>It strips the HTML tags from the string
20:45<defaultName>allowing proper inputs into the data base correct?
20:45<millisa>you can get it to leave some types of characters in . . or at least encode them.
20:45<defaultName>I am wondering if you need to sanitize data that is already coming in as a string such as "hello", because after santitization it is still "hello"
20:46<millisa>you want to sanitize anything that might be entered by a user or client.
20:46<millisa>whether they get to type in the input or not.
20:46<millisa>there are scripted bots that just look for any forms they can find on a page, and they'll try submitting to any of those variables things that could cause an injection
20:47<defaultName>Also security-wise I saw a suggestion of using $data = htmlspecialchars($data); to prevent changing of the values
20:47<defaultName>So by sanitizing it will remove the script and will not pass it through
20:49<defaultName>And speaking of using htmlspecialchars; when using it within the action selection of a form
20:49<defaultName>it only matters when you self call the page using $_SERVER["PHP_SELF"]
20:49<defaultName>or am I interpreting that wrong
20:51<millisa>I'm afraid I don't follow you. (about to start a maintenance window anyways)
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21:39<Eugene>What are the cool kids buying for a tablet nowadays? iPad mini? My nexus 7(2012) is on its way out after years of faithful service
21:39<FluffyFoxeh>I use a Galaxy Tab S
21:39<FluffyFoxeh>a few years old
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21:40<millisa>apple's offering wasn't very exciting this year - https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
21:44<Eugene>Huh, and they don't mention the iPhone SE
21:44<millisa>there were some rumors that an 'ipad mini pro' was going to get revealed last week, but I didn't see it
21:46<millisa>it was supposed to be the mini form factor but was going to support their stylus/pencil thing
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21:51<joecool|mobile>*shrugs* i thought the SE was the only interesting thing they offered in the past year
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21:51<joecool|mobile>They were surprised it sold that well, shows how myopic the co has become
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21:53<millisa>jdpower had something up in the last few days showing the surface edging out the ipad for the first time
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23:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • My Aol Mail Aol <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14713&p=73254#p73254>
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23:16<Celti>...wait, enough people still use AOL email for phishing attempts to be worthwhile?
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23:19<arlen>yup
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23:26<microvb>Idiots > https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/852607883061669888?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet ( at the entity this tweet is addressing )
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