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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-04-22

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03:35<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Is Linode blocking port 25? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14744&p=73333#p73333>
03:40*dcraig tickles linbot around a bit with a large bigscale fish
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06:26<Jasmine>hello, everybody!
06:27<Jasmine> I am a novice for Linode system. an image of the payment card used for signup.--------I can not find the page
06:27<Jasmine>Is there anybody can help me?
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06:55<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Reverse DNS & Letsencrypt <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14747&p=73334#p73334>
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07:04<anew>what's the pricing for linode managed?
07:05<Peng>https://www.linode.com/managed $100 per month per Linode on your account
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07:08<anew>ok so number of domains does not matter? say i put 15 domains on one linode, $100 a month and they can manage all files?
07:08<anew>only thing is each domain would have the same IP wouldnt it ?
07:11<nate>anew: It's per-linode (the $100 that is), not per-content on the server. But yes, unless you can give them a REALLY good reason to give you extra IPv4 addresses (and they generally do mean REALLY good reasons lol), it would be one IPv4 shared across however many domains you have
07:12<nate>That said, there's really nothing wrong with that in this day and age, unless you're dealing with like 15 year old software that has 0 possibility of being updated, SNI has long covered things like single-IP over https://
07:13<nate>and if you are dealing with 15 year old software with 0 possibility of being updated, well, better to just cut them anyways as they're likely using insecure protocols/ciphers that defeat the purpose of any https:// oriented stuff anyways
07:13<Zimsky>if you want to live in the past, host with DO
07:14<Zimsky>hey nate I have a pizza
07:14<Zimsky>$ git clone tyrannosaurus/rekt
07:15<anew>i see, would managed be able to optimize also?
07:15<anew>keep cpu% under control things like that
07:15<anew>or at least advise me on what to do there
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09:26<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Google apps email <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14734&p=73335#p73335>
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11:51<@mcintosh>!point mcintosh
11:51<linbot>mcintosh: 1,000,000 points for mcintosh!!!
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11:57<Zimsky>!point
11:57<linbot>Zimsky: (point <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title urmom.rm.wtf/points/add/$nick/$1/".
11:58<Zimsky>no you
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13:01<Murtaza>hi
13:02*FluffyFoxeh waves loudly
13:03<Murtaza>How does one have such a wave that it is loud?
13:03<Celti>By impacting an object at the end of your hand's arc.
13:05<Peng>Maybe it was supersonic
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13:12<millisa>Or possibly he waved with the same frequency but with greater amplitude.
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15:04<hussain>Hi
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15:04<hussain>Do u offer windows
15:04<@mquatrani>hi hussain
15:04<hussain>And how many Ip you can provide per VPS
15:04<@mquatrani>We support a subset of Linux distros, but you are free to install any software that you like on our VM's
15:05<@mquatrani>!windows
15:05<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
15:05<arlen>!ips
15:05<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
15:05<hussain>Price per IP address
15:05<@mquatrani>!point arlen
15:05<linbot>mquatrani: Point given to arlen. (5)
15:05<arlen>:D
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16:55<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
16:58<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Reverse DNS & Letsencrypt <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14747&p=73336#p73336>
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17:04<arlen>aww yeah
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17:08<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Reverse DNS & Letsencrypt <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14747&p=73337#p73337>
17:08<Karrde>when I remove an extra IP, do I need to reboot? Do I get a choice of when?
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17:10<Peng>I'm 98% sure it's fine not to reboot.
17:10<Peng>You should adjust your configuration, of course.
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17:10<dwfreed>Karrde: I don't think so (it will tell you if you do, before it does it)
17:11<dwfreed>if it doesn't require a reboot, when you remove it, the IP will almost immediately stop working, so you should make sure your Linode isn't trying to use it first
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17:18<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Reverse DNS & Letsencrypt <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14747&p=73338#p73338>
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17:18<dwfreed>nbrewer: reverse DNS has nothing to do with it :P
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17:22<@nbrewer>dwfreed: i'm a little confused what he means by a "link" to the default PTR entry
17:22<Peng>I'm a lot confused by that thread :P
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17:22<dwfreed>^
17:23<Peng>Maybe OP is referring to the Apache warning about "can't look up your hostname" or w/e?
17:23<@nbrewer>i can't count how many times i've had someone edit their hosts file and then think that they just set their RDNS
17:24<@nbrewer>not that this person is making that mistake..
17:24<Peng>D:
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17:58<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • trying to define a new CNAME <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13967&p=73339#p73339>
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19:10<mark_>where can I find Linode limits, like max number of virtual servers
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19:12<nate>mark_: Not sure I get what you mean, are you trying to run VPS's from within a linode VPS...? Or do you mean the literal total amount of VPS instances linode can run? I doubt they provide any public information of the latter
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19:13<mark_>Well, I run all my code in AWS at the moment, but AWS has limits like 100 EC2 instances max. I wonder if Linode has the limits as AWS does
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19:15<mark_>I am exploring Linode, but I don't want to spend a lot of time and then find out that you can only scale to X instances and then go figure
19:16<nate>mark_: Linode is not an 'instance' model like AWS, the virtual server instances in linode are like full literal root virtual servers. You would have to manually reserve a new linode every time you needed a new one
19:16<nate>as far as I'm aware there are no limits outside of whatever many slots they have at a given datacenter
19:16<mark_>I see. Thank you for that Nate
19:18<@caker>Accounts do have a limit, to reduce our exposure to fraud, but they raise automatically as reputation is developed over the first few months. We will also work with you to raise limits ahead of time, if needed
19:19<nate>aw, so I can't go and get like 200 $100 linodes? Darn :P
19:20<mark_>That makes sence, @caker.
19:20<@caker>nate: I just added those to your account for ya - yw
19:22<mark_>thank you guys for the help
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19:58<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Google apps email <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14734&p=73340#p73340>
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20:37<skyfaller>hi folks, I have a Linode serving multiple Wordpress blogs, and mysteriously some of them have stopped working while others appear to be fine. Can anyone help me diagnose the problem?
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20:38<skyfaller>for example, http://stairball.org/ returns http error 500, but http://bettingagainstmyself.com/ seems normal
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20:39<skyfaller>I can't imagine what would kill some of my sites but not others
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20:50<veecious>what errors are you getting?
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20:50<skyfaller>like I said, a http error 500 internal server errror
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20:51<nate>check your error logs. It's commonly an indication of a PHP fatal error, or if you have apache, potentially an error in .htaccess
20:51<veecious>alright, open your php and apache error logs and post what it says.
20:51<skyfaller>already tried throwing out the .htaccess file...
20:51<skyfaller>hold on, maybe it's a conflict with plugins or themes, let me try manually resetting those
20:51<nate>then it's probably a WP fatal error, perhaps an upgrade went wrong or a plugin broke, amongst a variety of other potential things
20:52<veecious>^ most likely
20:52<veecious>your PHP log should have some information to help you debug this
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20:53<skyfaller>ok, disabled plugins and that "fixed" it, so now I know I guess
20:53<skyfaller>for the record, how do I look at the PHP and apache error logs?
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20:54<veecious>var/log/apache2
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20:55<nate>Depending on how your apache is set up (or if you use cPanel), you may have an error_log in your main WP directory that's logging errors for PHP
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20:56<veecious>are you using php 7?
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20:57<skyfaller>I'm definitely not using Cpanel
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20:58<skyfaller>I am using PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.26
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20:58<veecious>by default PHp stores it's error log in /var/log/apache2 like i mentioned above
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20:59<skyfaller>I'm looking at /var/log/apache2 and it's not terribly informative, I don't see anything about PHP in there, mostly just seeing when I restarted the server
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20:59<skyfaller>like I said I've found the problem so it's not terribly important right now
20:59<veecious>open up the error.log file and you will.
21:00<veecious>you can also -tail that file from command line which will show you the latest error
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21:01<skyfaller>ok, here's what was there: https://hastebin.com/raw/ugajodabab
21:01<skyfaller>like I said, not seeing much activity at all, certainly not PHP errrors
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21:02<veecious>it will only log fatal errors in there
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21:02<veecious>what is your log level set to in your php config?
21:03<sarjono17>Want to ask in linode can pay using any method
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21:05<skyfaller>veecious how can I tell? I'm looking in php.ini
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21:07<veecious>look for the line called log_errors
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21:13<pete__>can i add more GB to my linode?
21:13<skyfaller>veecious Default Value: Off ; Development Value: On ; Production Value: On
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21:16<nate>pete__: You'd migrate up to a higher memory linode plan
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21:18<pete__>I mean storage space not RAM, actually.
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21:20<dwfreed>pete__: technically the same answer is true
21:21<dwfreed>because you'd (at present) need to change plans to change any of your resources
21:21<pete__>It is strange that one cant purchase more disk space?
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21:22<dwfreed>it's something that's being worked on, but in a way it's to be expected
21:23<dwfreed>storage is local to the host, you can only put so many disks in a host
21:23<dwfreed>what's being worked on would presumably be network-attached
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21:27*lyn slaps Vlad around a bit with a large fishbot
21:27<dwfreed>please don't do that
21:29<pete__>Can Linode give users a KVM platform to resell vps?
21:29<dwfreed>you can resell Linodes if you want
21:29<Eliz>youre free to use the API i suppose
21:29<Eliz>dont expect much pitty when youre stuck dealing with abuse tickets though
21:29<Eliz>pity *
21:29<dwfreed>note that you're responsible for whatever your customers do with the Linodes you resell, because as far as Linode is concerned, you're the customer
21:30<Eliz>dwfreed: youre OFTC staff now, get rid of the slap function ;)
21:30<dwfreed>Eliz: ...have you seen qwebirc?
21:30<dwfreed>it's ugly
21:30<dwfreed>also, you can submit a PR without being staff
21:31<Eliz>dwfreed: iirc someone did before, it got ignored :p
21:31<Nivex>dwfreed: switch to https://kiwiirc.com/ ?
21:31<Eliz>oh hell no
21:31<Eliz>not that snoonet shit lol
21:31<Nivex>whonet?
21:31<dwfreed>Eliz: https://github.com/oftc/qwebirc-websocket/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q= nope
21:32<dwfreed>Eliz: kiwiirc existed before snoonet
21:32<Eliz>reddit irc network, pretty much the primary reason kiwiirc is a thing
21:32<lyn>can I use a savings account instead f creditcard
21:32<Eliz>dwfreed: it wasnt really big before it, though :p
21:32<dwfreed>lyn: no
21:32<pete__>Does Linode allow reselling of Linodes by hooking WHCMS into Linode cloud?
21:32<dwfreed>pete__: you can do whatever you want with the API
21:32<dwfreed>!tos
21:32<lyn>the saving account goes with an online billing services feature
21:32<linbot>https://www.linode.com/tos
21:32<Eliz>pete__: youd have to write the code yourself
21:33<dwfreed>lyn: do you have a debit card with a visa, mastercard, american express, or discover logo?
21:33<pete__>I had the idea that Linode might provide some platform for Solus VM or something similar.
21:33<dwfreed>nope
21:34<Eliz>pete__: nope..?
21:34<lyn>yes the savings account goes with a VISA debit card ATM
21:34<pete__>Say someone wanted to sell vps hosting, they would need a dedicated server right?
21:35<dwfreed>lyn: you can use the visa debit card as if it were a credit card
21:35<Eliz>lyn: try using it online, but iirc youre limited to 6 transactions per month on a savings account (at least in the US)
21:35<dwfreed>pete__: usually works best that way; Linode does not provide dedicated servers
21:36<pete__>Is it still impossible to run vps inside other vps?
21:36<Eliz>realistically, yes
21:36<dwfreed>it's technically possible, but performance would be terrible
21:36<lyn>may i clarify :) Once I use my VISA Debit card, monthly charges will be autonaticall credited every month? At what schedule pls?
21:36<Eliz>lyn: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments
21:36<dwfreed>every month, or whenever your account hits $50 outstanding, whichever is first
21:36<lyn>Thank you much Eliz
21:37<dwfreed>note that you can add credit whenever, and that'll be used first
21:37<lyn>Thank you dwfreed
21:37<pete__>Are there any hosting providers that use Linodes to do cPanel hosting?
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21:38<pete__>Large scale?
21:38<dwfreed>I'm sure they exist, but not particularly large scale
21:38<Eliz>pete__: i imagine a few yeah, but, if youre asking these questions youre probably in the wrong market
21:38<dwfreed>cPanel is actually pretty terrible :P
21:38<AlexMax>rewrite cpanel in c
21:38<pete__>why so?
21:38<AlexMax>that way the name is accurate
21:39<Eliz>pete__: because are you going to be capable of solving issues when they arise if youre asking us these simple questions?
21:39<Eliz>sorry for being blunt *shrug*
21:40<Eliz>(worth noting that youre not talking to a staff member of linode, but a customer, the same person youd be trying to sell to)
21:40<pete__>So seemed to say that cPanel sucks technically.
21:40<pete__>*You
21:40<pete__>If so, why?
21:40<Eliz>I said no such thing.
21:40<Eliz>This is a multi user chat room.
21:41<pete__>dwfreed seemed to say it.
21:41<pete__>Why?
21:42<dwfreed>it depends heavily on perl, and if you touch the perl packages it installs, it breaks very easily
21:43<dwfreed>it's incredibly fragile internally
21:43<Eliz>if you want to do anything it doesnt support, you might as well blow your brains out first
21:43<Eliz>same to be said about solusvm, whmcs, etc
21:43<Eliz>youve gone down the bucket list of "easy" reselling tools
21:44<pete__>easy = better, why waste time?
21:44<Eliz>because youre just wasting the time of your customers by reselling
21:45<pete__>resellers make money
21:45<Eliz>its dishonest, and you dont seem to have the underlying knowledge to support them when needed just based on what youre telling me here
21:45<Eliz>if you ask me, unless youre adding value to your product somehow, reselling is sleezy.
21:46<pete__>how is it dishonest? A customer like your skills, and they trust you, what is the issue there?
21:46<arlen>the issue is your skills
21:46<Eliz>You've not shown any knowledge in the industry
21:46<Eliz>but anyway, I've gone offtopic I think, just my two cents.
21:47<pete__>Do you know anything in the industry?
21:47<Eliz>Quite a bit, having worked in it for a whole now :)
21:47<arlen>do you?
21:47<pete__>I asked first.
21:47<Eliz>dwfreed can vouch there :p
21:47<arlen>I'm asking second
21:47<pete__>Proves my point, you've provided no answer to that.
21:48<Eliz>what..?
21:48<pete__>Can you make an inference?
21:48<arlen>can you?
21:48<pete__>LOL, same robotic response, are you a poser?
21:48<arlen>are you?
21:48<dwfreed>:D
21:48<pete__>WOW
21:49<arlen>MOM
21:49<pete__>You must be a Liberal /Democrat
21:49<pete__>Retarded
21:49<Eliz>pete__: anyway, reselling Linode wont make you much money, so youre better off elsewhere imo
21:49<pete__>LOL
21:49<arlen>you must be 5
21:49<pete__>LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAH
21:49<pete__>It is AMAZING !!!
21:49<Eliz>Thanks for the laughs though, much appreciated :)
21:50<pete__>It is fun making fun of you, I must say!
21:50<dwfreed>knock it off
21:50<pete__>Why?
21:50<pete__>Liberals are idiots!!
21:51<dwfreed>I don't care, this is not the channel for politics
21:51<pete__>Yous seem to be able to dish it out.....
21:51<pete__>However, can you take it?
21:51<Eliz>He hasnt dishes any out
21:51<dwfreed>and the discussion was relevant to the channel
21:51<dwfreed>politics is not
21:51<Eliz>you are aware there are 4 people in this channel talking right now yeah?
21:52<arlen>don't think he is
21:52<pete__>Yup, going on and boasting about how much you two know about the hosting industry.
21:52<dwfreed>I used to work for Linode
21:52<Cromulent>heh
21:52<Cromulent>slap down
21:52<pete__>So?
21:52<pete__>Who hasnt worked for a webhost?
21:52<arlen>I haven't
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21:52<Eliz>Linode isnt a webhost heh,
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21:53<Eliz>arlen: consider yourself lucky, its a cancer
21:53<dwfreed>Eliz: literally? :D
21:53<arlen>actually I lied, I did for a week
21:53<Nivex>nah, it's more of a capricorn
21:53<Eliz>dwfreed: dunno, it mightve caused mine lol
21:53<dwfreed>heh
21:54<Eliz>I'll have to keep that in mind :p
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21:58<arlen>hi
21:58<linbot>hi
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22:00<Eliz>dwfreed: so how goes it in the non-hosting world
22:00<dwfreed>luca: o/
22:00<luca>sup
22:00<dwfreed>Eliz: boring
22:00<Eliz>dwfreed: miss the ticket work? :p
22:00<dwfreed>nope
22:00*Eliz has plenty she can give you
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22:02<dwfreed>arlen: hi
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22:03<dcraig>dwfreed: hi
22:04<dwfreed>dcraig: hi
22:04<Eliz>dwfreed: hu
22:04<dcraig>:D
22:04<dcraig>Eliz: hu 2 u 2
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22:24<arlen>I missed the hi's :(
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22:27<dcraig>arlen: hi!
22:29<arlen>dcraig: hi!!
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22:36<Nivex>https://twitter.com/kopshtik/status/855914137817202688
22:39<dwfreed>zifnab and/or Eugene should do that and report back
22:40<zifnab>dwfreed: I love dicks
22:41<FluffyFoxeh>mm
22:41<FluffyFoxeh>dicks
22:41<zifnab>They're slightly better than McDonald's
22:41<zifnab>But so cheap
22:41<zifnab>I'm gonna go get pie
22:41<zifnab>I think
22:43<dwfreed>lol
22:45<zifnab>I (think) I might have a sinus infection
22:45<zifnab>Nose hurts
22:45<zifnab>And it's oozing green stuff on the back end.
22:45<Eugene>Unf
22:45<zifnab>Pie makes everything better.
22:46<zifnab>It's a pie bar, gonna skip the bar part (it's also a magical pie window)
22:48<zifnab>dcraig: if you're curious, http://dicksinmymouth.com/
22:48<zifnab>(entirely sfw)
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22:49<zifnab>seems like a normal amount of food for a human is two burgers and fries
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22:49<veecious>you could prob make a decent amount selling that website name
22:50<zifnab>that ruins the joke though
22:50<zifnab>i mean, maybe, but why when a porn site can just by dicksinmy.mouth
22:51<veecious>not really the same as .com
22:52<veecious>i guess if you're linking to it from a porn aggregator it doesn't matter
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23:32<zifnab>migration to a new datacenter still requires a ticket?
23:33<Peng>I haven't heard differently
23:33<dwfreed>correct
23:33<zifnab>haven't done this in ages
23:34<zifnab>apparently fremont -> europe (sweden, specifically) is around 2s
23:34<dwfreed>O.o
23:34<dwfreed>mtr would be useful
23:34<dwfreed>considering newark to london is like 60ms now
23:34<zifnab>lol, not sure if i can grab a useful one
23:35<zifnab>'huh', its closer to 200ms now
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23:37<zifnab>https://vomitb.in/r4caZvRxTY
23:37<zifnab>wonder if i just hit a fluke
23:38<Peng>The NSA wiretaps needed new batteries?
23:39<zifnab>probably, i'll try to replicate
23:39<zifnab>its a jenkins master, everything was (fairly high) load when it happened
23:39<dwfreed>try IPv4 for good measure?
23:39<zifnab>about the same
23:40<zifnab>previous 'i need pie' statement: pie was needed, pie was good
23:43<Nivex>pie? http://weebls-stuff.com/toons/pie-weebl-and-bob-ep001/
23:43<zifnab>it was strawberry rubarb
23:44<zifnab>person in front of me was arguing for like 10 minutes
23:44<zifnab>she was mad because she bought a pie, it was crushed, she didn't think they'd want it back, and she wanted a new one
23:45<dwfreed>Nivex: I like that I can watch that in 1080p
23:48<arlen>zifnab: did they want it back?
23:49<zifnab>arlen: that was the tl;dr, yes
23:49<zifnab>thats...relatively normal from food places
23:49<zifnab>they fuck something up, they request you give it back
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23:59<dwfreed>zifnab: or at least see it in its screwed up state
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