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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-04-24

---Logopened Mon Apr 24 00:00:22 2017
00:08<arlen>hmm clone tab allows you to clone to a different data center. is that new?
00:16<millisa>not all that new. it's how i moved one of my backups several months back
00:17<millisa>https://blog.linode.com/2007/11/16/clone-a-linode-to-another-linode/
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00:18<djhv>hello!!
00:18<arlen>hi
00:18<arlen>millisa: ahh ><
00:18<djhv>can I change the register email after I signed up?
00:18<arlen>yup
00:19<djhv>what about the username?
00:19<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#email-addresses-and-contact-information
00:19<arlen>yup
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00:19<djhv>greeeat!!
00:19<djhv>thanks arlen
00:19<arlen>np
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00:55<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Sign Into Outlook Email <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14753&p=73354#p73354>
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01:05<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • How to configure my Linode adding my own domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14730&p=73284#p73284>
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02:06<rglastra>Hi folks
02:07<rglastra>Quick question, if anyone of @'s are around?
02:07<linbot>rglastra: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
02:07<rglastra>Made an error during signup (autofilled a company name). Account is now under review "for a few minutes" for the last hour.
02:07<rglastra>Any chance I can rectify, so it can go through review quicker?
02:08<dwfreed>company name likely had nothing to do with why it got flagged, nor is it likely to have any effect on the review process
02:08<dwfreed>(citation: I used to work for Linode, and did signup reviews)
02:08<rglastra>Ah, I see. Alright, I'll just hang tight then.
02:08<rglastra>It's a manual review?
02:09<dwfreed>yep
02:09<dwfreed>if support is swamped with tickets, they probably haven't gotten to it yet at all
02:10<rglastra>Got it. No worries, I'll just wait it out. Thanks!
02:17*Zimsky gives dwfreed tickets
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02:45<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Joomla site access issue <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14679&p=73355#p73355>
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03:59<dcraig>is there a market for organic linodes?
04:00<FluffyFoxeh>free range linodes
04:00<dcraig>cage free :D
04:01<dcraig>I think they have cages in datacenters
04:01<dcraig>FluffyFoxeh, what's up?
04:01<FluffyFoxeh>going to bed
04:01<FluffyFoxeh>:p
04:01<dcraig>whyyyy?
04:01<dcraig>it's only 1am
04:01<FluffyFoxeh>because it's 4am!
04:01<dcraig>lol
04:01<dcraig>no work tomorrow?
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04:02<FluffyFoxeh>nope, just finished exams. work doesn't start until May.
04:02<dcraig>congrats
04:02<dcraig>so why not stay up? :P
04:02<FluffyFoxeh>cause I'm tired and I know that my sleep schedule can and will flip right upside down if I allow it to
04:02<FluffyFoxeh>:p
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04:02<dcraig>I hear ya bro
04:03<dcraig>I end up sleeping in on sat/sun, and then I can't fall asleep for work on monday
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05:43<nomi>hello
05:43<nomi>need hosting detail
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05:57<rsdehart>do people even look at the website?
05:58<sdfsdf>your hosting company
05:59<sdfsdf>provide server near about 10 dollor in this detail whm panel available
05:59<sdfsdf>in this rate
05:59<grawity>Linode does not provide WHM nor any other control panel
05:59<sdfsdf>ok
06:00<sdfsdf>in this rate you could not provide us
06:00<sdfsdf>how to get it
06:00<grawity>buy and install WHM yourself
06:00<sdfsdf>what is whm pannel fee
06:01<grawity>see https://cpanel.com/products/
06:02<sdfsdf>its mean you provide unmanage server
06:05<dwfreed>yes
06:06<sdfsdf>ok
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06:11<Knofte>rsdehart: the answer to that would be "no". :)
06:12<dwfreed>^
06:12<dwfreed>nobody ever reads the website
06:13<Knofte>it's kinda like a man page, it's there but noone checks. Just like grandparents, they're there, but noone visits.
06:17<Celti>Hey, I read man pages! You're spot-on on the grandparents thing though.
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06:33<nate>To be fair the way he was speaking I'm guessing english isn't a strong point of theirs :P
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09:15<Guest1072>!nick test
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09:16<Guest1072>is this the help page for linode?
09:17<Meyer_>Community Support
09:17<Meyer_>!ask
09:17<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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09:37<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • What's up with Tokyo2? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14652&p=73356#p73356>
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09:42<Guest1072>cheers thanks
09:42<Guest1072>just about to sign up.. noticed linode had datacentres in europe
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09:42<Guest1072>will i be able to choose my location i.e. frankfurt vs london or is it assigned?
09:43<@caker>you can choose for each thing you add
09:43<Guest1072>thats great. thanks
09:43<@caker>:)
09:43<DrJ>you can even change your mind later on and move them :)
09:43<Meyer_>Or get more instead ;)
09:44<Guest1072>oh thats good. i was with aruba.it and for some reason i kept getting geolocated in italy
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09:45<Zimsky>oh god not italy
09:45<DrJ>yea, I had one at DO once that was in germany or somewhere like that and it was geolocated to new jersey... some providers have all their IPs geolocated where their main office is
09:45<DrJ>which didn't serve my purpose of using it as a proxy to evade mlb.tv blackouts
09:46<Guest1072>lol
09:46<DrJ>now it's with linode and happily working
09:46<Zimsky>waht do you mean by "geolocated" anyway
09:46<Peng>It's equally possible for poor IP geolocation databases to think many of Linode's IPs are in New Jersey too...
09:46<DrJ>Zimsky, where the IP is located according to databases
09:47<Zimsky>are you talking about where it actually routes to (i.e. physical location), the registered location of the address, or where maxmind thinks it is
09:47<DrJ>no
09:47<Zimsky>DrJ: so the meaningless info
09:47<Zimsky>I can say the addresses in my prefix are in mexico
09:47<Zimsky>then just do some bgp magic and actually host my shit in norway
09:47<DrJ>generally it's just a general location Zimsky
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09:47<JamesTK>XD
09:48<Zimsky>JamesTK: PIZZA
09:48<DrJ>for example, all mlb.tv cares about is what country the IP is in
09:48<JamesTK>Zimsky: your shout
09:48<DrJ>or what state
09:48<JamesTK>:P
09:48<Zimsky>fuck off
09:48<DrJ>when it comes to the US
09:48<Zimsky>JamesTK: I actually can't afford it anyway
09:48<Zimsky>well, I could afford just me
09:48<JamesTK>DrJ: OVH is using US netblocks in Sydney
09:48<JamesTK>...confusing BGP
09:48<JamesTK>Because screw APNIC
09:49<Zimsky>fuck apnic
09:49<Zimsky>fuck brisbane too
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09:49<Zimsky>I walked into apnic hq once and was like "OMG HI APNIC"
09:49<Zimsky>receptionist told me to leave
09:50<Zimsky>JamesTK, DrJ, frankfurt linode ips will, to the untrained eye, appear to be US addresses
09:50<Zimsky>to a mere whois querier
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09:57<Peng>whereas Hurricane Electric addresses in the US are in "screw you, proxy user!" land :(
09:58<Zimsky>Peng, how
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10:01<Zimsky>JamesTK: where are you
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11:00<amy>hello,which software should I use on the PC, after purhase the linode service
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11:01<@nbrewer>amy: to connect to the Linode, you mean? If you're a Windows user, probably Putty.
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11:03<amy>i plan to use linode for amazon platform, so buyer could view the pictures more quickly, use putty?
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11:03<amy>yes, my computer systom is windows 10
11:04<amy>what i need is to ceate a url for the pictures
11:04<Zimsky>this seems vague
11:14<DrJ>amy, probably serve a website from your linode to show them the pictures
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11:14<DrJ>putty is so you can manage your server through command line
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11:18<amy>thank you all
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11:36<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:55<rick111>how come?
11:58<csnxs>/r/madlads
11:59<Zimsky>mad lads that's fuckin excellent bruv
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12:28<millisa>factorio 0.14.23 and 0.15 released.
12:28<zifnab>Damn it
12:28<zifnab>I have to work today
12:29<millisa>you thought you were going to get things done this month?
12:29<millisa>nuclear power. all new infinite science. amazing prizes.
12:36<Zimsky>NUCLEAR POWER
12:36<Zimsky>ALL THE NUCLEAR POWER
12:36<Zimsky>EVERYWHERE
12:36<Zimsky>hi zifnab
12:36<Zimsky>how's it goiiiiiiiing
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12:37<FluffyFoxeh>millisa: this is good timing because I just finished exams :D
12:37<zifnab>Allergies
12:37<millisa>and map markers!
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12:37<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Installing PHP GD Library Mystery <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14740&p=73357#p73357>
12:39<Zimsky>the shoelace tying exam?
12:39<Zimsky>nice
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12:43<FluffyFoxeh>Database management systems, cognitive psychology, macroeconomics, and object-oriented software engineering
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>:p
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12:44<Zimsky>so, "how2mysql", "people are weird and generally stochastic but we think we've worked out some stuff", "money means shit apparently", "hello world"
12:45<FluffyFoxeh>yup
12:45<Zimsky>I saw a psych course at this one university with a stall on their open day, inviting people to do the MBTI test
12:45<Zimsky>I cringed so, so hard.
12:45<millisa>now I want to go setup a booth that shows how to open mongodb to the world
12:46<FluffyFoxeh>sharing is caring
12:48<FluffyFoxeh>More specifically, money means shit in the long run. In the short run it matters
12:48<FluffyFoxeh>:p
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13:03<Digestives>Hi
13:03<Digestives>I'm linode is better than vultr, how?
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13:06<Meyer_>Digestives: In my experience yes. Better and more consistent performance
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13:08<Meyer_>Digestives: I have not used vultr so much though so I might just have had bad luck. But that is my experience with them
13:09<Digestives>thanks
13:09<Digestives>anyone know any cheap dedicated servers in europe
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13:10<Meyer_>Digestives: Hetzner?
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13:10<Digestives>hmm you know any other than hetzner / online / ovh
13:11<Digestives>but still in that price range
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13:16<Peng>You might have just listed them all
13:19<Meyer_>Digestives: Not to my knowledge. It seems like hetzner/ovh are the only ones having the scale needed to bring the costs down to that level and still be somewhat reliable
13:20<Meyer_>Digestives: But I do not have a good insight into the dedicated server offerings in europe as I generally do not use those kind of servers
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13:23<Digestives>ok thanks bro
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13:39<Pratik>Does linode provide drop in service for cPanel and WHM?
13:40<relidy>!to Pratik cpanel
13:40<linbot>Pratik: Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
13:45<Pratik>Thanks
13:45<Pratik>what are the charges for manage addon?
13:45<Pratik>I could not find charges there
13:45<relidy>Bottom of the page: "Pricing is $100 per month per Linode on your account."
13:46<Pratik>ok
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14:09<zifnab>whats the current way to get around china firewall restrictions?
14:09<zifnab>is it still "request a new IP repeatedly until one works"?
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14:14<mTony>Hey, i have uploaded my website on a linode server. But instead, I see the php code. Does anyone know why my php wouldn't be running?
14:16<Zimsky>problem 1: you're using php
14:16<Zimsky>I suspect you may need to set up php or fastcgi depending on your web server
14:16<zifnab>why does my linode not cook my breakfast
14:16<Zimsky>I don't know, zifnab.
14:16<zifnab>i mean, its an equally vague question
14:17<Zimsky>I've been asking the same question for years.
14:17<millisa>weird. your linode cooks me breakfast all the time.
14:17<Zimsky>I just had to cook my own breakfast ¿?
14:17<Zimsky>zifnab: compile libboost
14:17<Zimsky>that'll cook it
14:18<mTony>Thanks for the reply. But i've already set up php. What is fastcgi?
14:18<Zimsky>a deep, dark and precarious hole of problems
14:18<Zimsky>and rabbits
14:18<Zimsky>because it's a hole
14:19<Peng>mTony: Evidently PHP is not set up
14:19<Zimsky>zifnab used to be able to tame the rabbits and make them do tricks (he can talk to them with his miiiiiind)
14:19<Zimsky>but zifnab today neither has the energy nor focus required for such a feat of rabbitute
14:19<mTony>Zimsky: Try getting me out of the hole
14:19<Zimsky>instead, zifnab would prefer to misconfigure ntpd and register domains about pengiuns
14:20<Zimsky>mTony: literally what peng said, PHP is evidently not set up
14:20<Zimsky>check your logs, what is your httpd serving
14:20<millisa>mTony: did you follow a guide when setting things up?
14:21<mTony>Peng: Sorry my bad, I have installed it. But idk why its not getting set up
14:21<zifnab>!lamp
14:22<zifnab>!alias add lamp echo https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
14:22<linbot>zifnab: I have performed your operation, meatsack. When will you tire of giving me commands? Perhaps it should be earlier.
14:22<zifnab>!lamp
14:22<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
14:22<mTony>Well, i thought i did. But looks like might have gone wrong
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14:23<Jon[m]>mTony: Are you using Apache or Nginx as your web server? (Or something else?)
14:24<mTony>Apache
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14:24<mTony>I've made sure thats running
14:28<Jon[m]>What distro are you running? if it's Debian or Ubuntu... I think they're supposed to do this by default, but you may need to run something like "a2enmod php5" (or whatever the module is named) to enable it
14:28<Jon[m]>or it's possible installing the PHP module has already done this and you just need to restart your web server
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14:31<zifnab>or you didn't install libapache2-php5
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14:32<zifnab>!brawndo
14:32<linbot>It's what plants crave.
14:32<zifnab>obviously needs more brawndo
14:34<mTony>Jon: Its Ubuntu, and yes i've already tried running that command with php7, but i get 'Module php7 does not exist!'
14:34<mTony>I looked for a fix for that on stack, but nothing really worked
14:38<Jon[m]>looks like that module may have been renamed to php7.0, the package in ubuntu 16.04 is libapache2-mod-php7.0: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libapache2-mod-php7.0
14:38*Jon[m] doesn't have an ubuntu machine handy to test with at the moment, though
14:39<MajObviousman>why not?
14:41<Jon[m]>I mean, I could spin one up, but... :P
14:42*Jon[m] is busy, though evidently not busy enough to avoid IRC, heheh
14:43<MajObviousman>unpossible to avoid IRC
14:43<MajObviousman>give up on that right up front
14:48<mTony>Dude that worked! " 7.0 " instead of "7". You're the man
14:49<mTony>@Jon
14:49<Jon[m]>awesome, glad I could help :)
14:49<millisa>!point Jon[m]
14:50<millisa>linbot hates brackets!
14:50<Jon[m]>lol right, bridged nicks...
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15:02<Zimsky>wow assuming genders
15:03<Zimsky>ZIFNAB THEY DID A BAD THING
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16:04<Gevorg>Hello, I have a question about adding more space to the plan. Can anyone help me with that?
16:05<Peng>Sure, maybe. What's your question?
16:05<Peng>You can't add more disk space to a plan, at the moment. You have to upgrade to the next plan. A block storage product is in development and should be in beta soon.
16:07<Gevorg>Thank you, Peng. You answered to my question.
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17:04<Megaf>Any chance I can follow up a ticket here?
17:07<Peng>Maybe kind of.
17:07<Peng>They might be able to discuss issues in general terms, but this is a public and not very authenticated place, so private account matters would have to be handled in a ticket.
17:07<Megaf>jchun, I believe you are the guy Im looking for. Or does it has to be over email?
17:09<Megaf>well, on PVT I can prove I am myself
17:20<nate>Megaf: They will only really do account stuff over email/ticket, this isn't really considered a good (secure?) medium
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17:28<Megaf>I totally agree, I just want to discuss about what could have caused an issue. nothing senstive
17:28<Megaf>sensitive
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17:50<vishal_>Do anyone here can help me with nginx and magento?
17:50<arlen>probably
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17:51<arlen>won't know until you explain the issue
17:51<vishal_>See gaunatural.com, it is not opening
17:51<vishal_>you can check /test.php
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17:53<raj>I created a new user at linode.com, but does that have any bearing on that user being able to ssh into linode?
17:53<arlen>no
17:53<raj>so that's just for website access or something?
17:53<arlen>need to create the user on the linode itself
17:53<raj>k
17:53<arlen>that's for access to the linode manager
17:54<ling>how much concurrent users the 5$ plan can handle?(dynamic server with db)
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17:54<arlen>potato amounts
17:54<raj>thanks arlen
17:54<arlen>np
17:55<arlen>ling: there's no limit, it all depends on your ability to tune your website
17:55<ling>well average ability
17:56<arlen>on average, more than 5
17:56<raj>arlen, is it as simple as creating a new linux user?
17:56<arlen>yup
17:56<ling>thats all?
17:56<arlen>would you prefer it was less?
17:57<vishal_>@arlen can you help me?
17:57<ling>so what plan should i choose for 1k concurrent users?
17:57<ling>5 its nothing
17:57<arlen>ling: the cheapest then upgrade if needed
17:57<arlen>vishal_: gonna need more details, check your logs
17:57<ling>after 5 users to upgrade?
17:57<ling>lol
17:58<arlen>no it can handle a lot more than 5
17:58<relidy>ling: What arlen is trying to say is there are too many variables to be able to tell you how many users you can support. Start on a small plan and scale up if needed.
17:58<ling>so 10$ plan=10 users?
17:58<arlen>nope
17:58<nate>KubgL $10 plan == whatever you can do within the limits of the hardware and terms of service
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17:58<nate>er ling
17:58<ling>basic go http server read from db,show results
17:58<arlen>there's no way to give an exact number
17:58<nate>^
17:59<ling>whats more than that
17:59<arlen>more than what?
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17:59<ling>than this information
17:59<arlen>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:59<nate>ling: There is fundamentally no way anyone can give you 'limits' on what you can do on a $10 linode
17:59<arlen>the number of users is all up to you
18:00<nate>every database model is different, every language is different, how you implement them are different, etc
18:00<@caker>The only limit is yourself
18:00<ling>myself?
18:00<arlen>yup
18:00<relidy>Load testing is the only way you're really going to know how it performs. Set up a new machine and test it. They're cheap and you only pay for the time the machine exists (if you decide you don't want to keep it)
18:00<nate>you could run a poorly-designed site with a limit of 100 concurrent users or a properly designed site with a limit far far vastly past that. You would have to test it really yourself
18:01<nate>linode doesn't impose any real limits other than the hardware and network capacity
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18:01<ling>great nate thats better answer
18:01<nate>Pretty much what the others were already trying to tell you :P
18:02<vishal_>Sorry,my internet connection had a glitch, if someone here said anything about magento
18:02<ling>so lets go for the poorly designed site , 5 $ plan can handle 100 users?
18:02<arlen>lol
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18:02<arlen>vishal_: gonna need more details, check your logs
18:02<nate>Again, we literally have no possible way of knowing
18:03<nate>every site is configured in different ways
18:03<relidy>ling: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/load-testing-with-siege
18:03<vishal_>@arlen, kindly guide me as I am not a expert
18:03<arlen>I'm not either
18:04<arlen>I just play one on tv
18:04<ling>well i want to signup for linode but those answers just keeping me away
18:04<relidy>It's super cheap to spin up a test machine. Literally only pennies to do some basic testing and assure yourself of its capabilities.
18:05<@caker>or just not worry about it. It's super easy to resize up or down
18:05<relidy>Or that :)
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18:06<ling>time expensive
18:06<arlen>oh well
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18:07<vishal_>@arlen, how to check logs?
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18:07<blis1>is there an option to add extra storage not included in one of the plans? For example can I get a Linode 2GB with 60GB of storage instead of 30?
18:08<dwfreed>not yet
18:08<dwfreed>it's being worked on, though
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18:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • apt-get results in 'Temporary failure resolving 'mirrors.linode.com' <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14754&p=73358#p73358>
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18:09<blis1>is there an rough estimate to when this feature might be available? I've moved one of my servers to linode but the storage limits is preventing me from moving one other server over
18:11<dwfreed>caker said it would go into beta in Newark in "a few weeks" a couple weeks ago
18:12<dwfreed>when it'll actually be available in all facilities or prod ready, I don't know
18:12<blis1>okay. thank you. I will keep an eye on this
18:12<ling>who is from linode stuff?
18:12<dwfreed>!ops
18:12<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
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18:13<ling>not so helpful:)
18:13<jthan>harsh.
18:14<synfinatic>you're basically asking "how many miles can I drive on 10 gallons of gas" but wont tell us what kind of car you have or if it's city or freeway driving
18:14<dwfreed>^ that's a great way to sum it up
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18:14<ling>i said - go http server with 1 select query from mysql
18:14<relidy>If you ride the brake, how many miles are on the engine, how old the tires are, if it's windy out, and what the bug population is like.
18:14<ling>like every other blog site
18:14<arlen>sorry we're not helpful and give fake numbers
18:15<ling>its not fake
18:15<ling>its average
18:15<ling>so i know what plan to choose
18:15<dwfreed>just start small and resize later if you need to
18:15<synfinatic>if you took stats in school, you'd know that average is a horrible metric
18:16<ling>its starting point
18:16<synfinatic>dwfreed is right. start small ($5/mo), and go up as needed. it only takes a few minutes to migrate to a bigger linode
18:16<ling>but if someone says the 5$ play can handle only 5 users,linode not for me
18:16<synfinatic>it can handle much more then 5
18:16<jthan>ling: http://reviewsignal.com/blog/2014/06/25/40-million-hits-a-day-on-wordpress-using-a-10-vps/
18:16<ling>plan
18:17<jthan>that's an article all about how someone took a very bottom-of-the-road VPS and tuned their site to handle a huge amount of traffic
18:17<jthan>You could just as well do the same thing on a $5 linode and stretch it quite far.
18:18<ling>you know what
18:18<ling>answer me this
18:18<synfinatic>lol
18:18<ling>what will happen if the server cant handle too many connection?
18:19<synfinatic>you'll first notice things are slow, then slower and slower. then web pages won't load at all and will generate an error in the browser saying "couldn't connect to server"
18:20<synfinatic>back in the say we'd call that being slashdotted :) probably not meaningful anymore
18:20<synfinatic>*day
18:20<ling>so i'll lose those users who cant connect to the server
18:20<synfinatic>how many users do you have?
18:20<ling>because im testing
18:20<dwfreed>these days the equivalent would be making the front page of reddit or hn
18:21<ling>1k
18:21<relidy>Even then, it's so rare to see a site pulled down completely like that anymore.
18:21<synfinatic>like 1K total users or 1K users active at peak?
18:21<ling>active
18:23<synfinatic>so i'm going to make a guess that 1K active users at peak won't generate 20M hits a day
18:23<synfinatic>sound reasonable?
18:24<nate><synfinatic> you'll first notice things are slow, then slower and slower. then web pages won't load at all and will generate an error in the browser saying "couldn't connect to server" <-- this is more likely gonna happen in a traffic congestion situation
18:24<ling>ok,yes...
18:24<nate>you'll prob see server error messages before that (ie; php-fpm failing due to more connections than configured pool stuff)
18:24<ling>i tell u that
18:24<synfinatic>he specifically asked about too many connections :)
18:24<ling>we tested the server ...
18:24<ling>on the work pc
18:24<nate>synfinatic: That's not directly relevant to bandwidth
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18:25<ling>3k users run great
18:25<synfinatic>seriously, read the doc jthan gave you.
18:25<ling>low ram
18:25<nate>You'll generally probably hit connection limits in the software configuration before bandwidth. But past that, as has been said many times and linked even ling, there are tons and tons of situations where a low-end VPS can either scale well or poorly
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18:30<ling>i think you are afraid to answer the question so i wont blame you later if the server wont handle the connections. no need to worry , i wont. i just want to know where to start because if the 5$ plan is not for me,i'll choose the bigger plan..i just don't got the time to test so much
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18:32<Rainbow>YES HALO I AM HAVE TRUBLE WITH MY SERVERS
18:33<jthan>nou
18:33<nate>ling: fear has absolutely 0 to do with it. There literally is no way for anyone to give you a solid answer. So you could blame all you want, isn't gonna bother anyone, nobody can simply give you exact numbers, that isn't how this works :P
18:37<ling>read my msg again,im not blaming anyone,i just want to use linode but those answers just keeping me away from that
18:37<dwfreed>just use it
18:37<dwfreed>my favorite acronym: TIAS
18:37<nate>ling: they're literally the same answers you're going to find anywhere
18:37<dwfreed>(try it and see)
18:38<nate>so if that answer turns you off, you're never going to find any hosting suitable to your personal needs, so perhaps you should just hire a sysadmin+developer and pay them to handle it for you? :P
18:38<Rainbow>jthan, what the fuck are you doing in here?
18:38<Rainbow><3
18:38<ling>aws?gae?
18:39<jthan>Rainbow: Had a quesiton related to Linode a week or so ago... So now I'm just doing that idle thing. Mostly.
18:39<Rainbow>ling, what exactly are you asking? I just showed up
18:39<Rainbow>jthan, ah, cool. long time no see buddy. missed ya :3
18:40<nate>ling: You feel free to contact amazon support and ask them to give you explicit numbers for what they provide, and they're going to tell you the same thing
18:40<Rainbow>ling, whatcha need homie?
18:40<Rainbow>I gotchu
18:40<ling>Rainbow , how much concurrent users the 5$ plan can handle?
18:40<gparent>that depends on what you do
18:41<ling>blog
18:41<nate>which they've already been told by like 10 people lol
18:41<ling>with mysql
18:41<gparent>yeah, you need to test to find out
18:41<ling>lol
18:41<ling>thats was for rainbow nate
18:41<ling>i get that you wont help me
18:42<nate>ling: doesn't matter who it was for, you've already been told the answer by close to a dozen people I think at this point
18:42<nate>Why exactly are you under the impression that so many people are lying to you?
18:42<nate>What have you seen that makes you think there is some sort of magic number?
18:42<ling>no one lying
18:42<nate>Well you keep asking people the same question and getting the same answer, lol
18:42<nate>I can only assume you do so because you think we're all fibbing or something :P
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18:43<ling>no i dont.
18:43<arlen>nate: stop keeping the number a secret, he's caught us
18:43<nate>lol
18:43<Rainbow>ling, uh....users of what?
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18:43<Rainbow>UNIX users? until your UIDs run out
18:43<Rainbow>web users?
18:43<Rainbow>depends on what the hell you're doing
18:43<ling>blog website
18:43<ling>lol
18:43<Rainbow>yeah, so, there's no actual answer for that
18:43<Rainbow>uh
18:44<Rainbow>depends on the software, etc
18:44<ling>lol
18:44<Rainbow>tl;dr you wont have a user visiting problem
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18:44<Rainbow>if you set your shit up right
18:44<nate>ling: I really think you should just hire someone with system administration and some development experience in whatever you're using, and let them handle it
18:44<Rainbow>^
18:45<nate>in the time you've spent here asking us to give you an answer that literally can't be given, you could have already set up a linode and started benching your software
18:45<ling>well ..he advice to go aws
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18:45<nate>AWS is going to literally tell you the same shit
18:45<ling>i prefer linode
18:45<Rainbow>ling, it can handle 30742 users
18:45<Rainbow>:)
18:45<nate>Except if anything AWS is going to cost you more if you do start going over things
18:45<gparent>lol
18:45*gparent steals the user dice from Rainbow
18:45*gparent rolls
18:45*Rainbow bops gparent
18:45<gparent>no it's 26737
18:45<Rainbow>good to see you too
18:45<gparent>hellol
18:45<ling>Rainbow i need it for 30743
18:45<gparent>-l
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18:45<Rainbow>ling, sucks to be you
18:46<Rainbow>buy a $10 plan
18:46<ling>how much users?
18:46<Rainbow>60981
18:46<ling>not good
18:46<Rainbow>slightly less than dible. there's overheard
18:46<gparent>64G is the next step
18:46<atrus>3
18:46<ling>need at least 60991
18:46<Rainbow>too bad.
18:46<atrus>ok 4
18:46*Rainbow yawns
18:47<Rainbow>k, this has been fun kiddos
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18:47<Eugene>i'm not ur kiddo buddy
18:47<Rainbow>IM NOT YOUR BUDDY FRIEND
18:47<Rainbow>i'll be back later. i miss shitposting in here <3
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18:47<ling>nate
18:47<gparent>and responding to it, apparently <_<
18:48<Rainbow>:D
18:48<Rainbow>o7
18:48<gparent>\o
18:48<ling>why reddit use aws and not linode?
18:48<gparent>they wanted an answer to the user question too
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18:48<ling>and nate didnt answer them
18:49<ling>so the go aws
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18:50<retro|blah>Ugh. All these fucking old irc logs, man
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18:51<nate>Doesn't reddit only use AWS for their S3?
18:51<nate>Pretty sure reddit isn't scrolled across a bunch of EC2's
18:52<ling>nate
18:53<ling>so now i understand you..you mean that linode can handle as much users as my server could handle
18:53<ling>and it up to me..
18:54<ling>right?
18:54<arlen>...
18:54<ling>...
18:54<nate>ling: We have already told you, many many times, that what your linode instance can handle, would be entirely up to what it's configured like. It is indeed up to you or whoever you hire, to configure it to handle a lot of users, yes. Past that, I'm done repeating myself, lol
18:55<ling>lol
18:55<nate>There's simply no literal number we can throw at you because there simply aren't any
18:55<ling>thanks
18:55<ling>thats the right answer
18:55<arlen>that's literally what we've been saying for the past hour
18:55<ling>from now on just answer that for anyone asking the same question
18:56<nate>we have, several times
18:56<nate>lol
18:57<ling>so im asking again - how much users could the 5$ plan handle?
18:57<retro|blah>Seriously?
18:57<ling>no..just kidding
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19:12<FluffyFoxeh>so I got this 1L bucket
19:12<FluffyFoxeh>is it enough?
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19:29<millisa>wait. how many gallons of gas am I supposed to ship to Linode to make mine go a mile? I'm confused.
19:46<arlen>more than 5
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19:57<jthan>I missed the conclusion after all that :-(
19:59<millisa>"Linode runs on diesel."
20:02<jthan>That explains why it's only doing 5 users. All gummed up 
20:03<dzho>cheat codes in the ECM
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22:21<JamesTK>dzho: do the konami code and get a whole extra 10kW!
22:22<Eugene>Has anybody figured out how nuclear reactors actually work in Factorio 0.15? I can't seem to get the bugger to actually output steam
22:23<millisa>have barely gotten my mainbus going. stupid $dayjob getting in the way
22:23<Eugene>I'm just testing it in Creative Mode, haven't even pretended to start a new base yet heh
22:24<millisa>the new map gen stuff is useful. there was a patch to 0.15.1 a couple hours ago if you've been loaded since release.
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22:24<Eugene>Ya, the usual "oh crap a crash" fixes
22:25<millisa>the map markers and map zoom I think are my favorites so far. only because I don't know what 'make fish more useful' means.
22:25<Eugene>Good news: the reactors do not explode if left uncooled
22:25<Eugene>They just waste heat
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22:29<Eugene>http://i.imgur.com/TPTdy58.jpg
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22:30<millisa>are the beacons just for spacing?
22:30<Eugene>Power load so the turbines will spin
22:30<millisa>ahh
22:30<Eugene>I must be missing something fundamental about how this works
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22:31<Eugene>Fuel go in reactor, heat pipes lead to heat exchanger. Water goes in end, but steam no comes out the middle
22:32<millisa>73.91 isn't hot enough for steam is it?
22:33<millisa>need more than 1 of something?
22:33<Eugene>Dangit, you're right. Now that I alt-tab back, the buggers are spinning
22:34<Eugene>This should have been more obviou.s Not hot enough.
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22:42<dwfreed>you know, my internet might actually be good enough to play on a factorio server now
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22:43<millisa>you do have several unused linodes...and even the $5 ones hold up pretty well now with the increased bandwidth
22:43<Eugene>Is Fremont close enough for you?
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22:43<dwfreed>Eugene: Michigan
22:43<Eugene>Might be better running it off my home server then. Got IPv6?
22:44<dwfreed>neg
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22:44<Eugene>Siiiigh, making me go put in an iptables forward
22:44<dwfreed>Eugene: but I doubt the latency differences between Fremont, Dallas, Newark, and Chicago (where I effectively live, by internet routing) really make a difference
22:44<Eugene>I'll do Fremont then
22:44<dwfreed>first, though, I have to tell Steam to switch Factorio branches, because they did away with the fixed 'experimental' branch
22:44<dwfreed>which explains why I haven't gotten an update in ages
22:45<Eugene>They haven't touched 14 in a while either
22:45<dwfreed>not true
22:45<dwfreed>0.14.23 was released 14 hours ago
22:46<dwfreed>yay steamdb
22:46<dwfreed>https://steamdb.info/app/427520/depots/
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22:46<Eugene>Before that :v
22:46<millisa>it was a minute before 0.15
22:46<Eugene>They finally switched from gz to xz! Yay!
22:47<dwfreed>I switched to 0.15.x
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22:48<Eugene>And I already found a bug. The map gen settings didn't get updated
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22:50<millisa>mine seemed to, but I've only tried on an osx box
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22:52<dwfreed>336 MB Factorio update...
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22:52<dwfreed>fortunately, should be done in about 6 more minutes (started at :46)
22:55<Eugene>Server is up. itvends.com / linodin
22:55<dwfreed>woo
22:55<dwfreed>steam says 3 minutes
22:56<millisa>open for anyone? i have all of this parmesan just looking for pasta.
22:56<Eugene>I ain't picky
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22:59<dwfreed>Oh, I should dig out my mouse
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