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01:31<acald3ron>Mikrotik fetch tool dont work with the linode api
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01:32<acald3ron>nevermind
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02:25<sunny>hi there
02:25<sunny>i have a linode instance and cpanel
02:26<sunny>If i was to cancel my cpanel account, can i still access all the files on my server ?
02:26<FluffyFoxeh>cool
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02:26<FluffyFoxeh>yes
02:26<sunny>I am currently hosting around 4-5 websites...
02:26<FluffyFoxeh>you can still SSH in
02:27<sunny>If i wanted to use a GUI, is there an alternative ?
02:27<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know
02:27<sunny>i am not familiar with ssh commands.
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02:28<Knofte>sunny: if you're not familiar with ssh/console - then cpanel is unfortunately your best option.
02:28<Knofte>Even though it limits a bit.
02:29<FluffyFoxeh>or learn
02:29<FluffyFoxeh>:p
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02:29<sunny>how about plesk ? its cheaper then cpanel.. its like $5 per month vs $20
02:30<sunny>do you think if i signup with plesk, i will be able to access all the directory etc which were created using cpanel ?
02:30<FluffyFoxeh>assuming they're just directories on your filesystem, then yes..
02:32<sunny>are you guys working for linode or is this just a community supported ?
02:32<FluffyFoxeh>this is a community channel
02:32<FluffyFoxeh>!ops
02:32<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
02:32<sunny>oh okay... thanks guys
02:33<sunny>i better call linode then...
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02:34<FluffyFoxeh>-_-
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02:38<Celti>...I really hope they don't try and remove cPanel and overwrite with Plesk
02:38<Celti>cPanel does terrible terrible things to a system and really needs a complete reinstall of the distro to properly remove it.
02:40<FluffyFoxeh>what kind of things? :p
02:42<Celti>It's been a couple years, things might be different now, but when I last interacted with it it plopped down a sprawling mess of hooks into init and changing various defaults around the system to use cPanel things
02:43<Celti>cPanel techs themselves will tell you "there is no uninstall", or did as of then
02:43<Knofte>it changes log dirs, maildirs etc.
02:44<Knofte>complete mess and ilogical imho :)
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02:54<xomcomon>sad
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03:20<mahesh>hi
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03:22<mahesh>for 4gB ram 48GB SSD stotage package
03:23<mahesh>the above package how many emails free for a day?
03:23<scotti>lol
03:23<scotti>mahesh: unlimited sir
03:23<dwfreed>you should read the terms of service, though
03:23<dwfreed>!tos
03:23<linbot>https://www.linode.com/tos
03:23<scotti>well that was insulting dwfreed
03:23<mahesh>oh ok ok
03:23<scotti>lol he's not necessarily a spammer just because he asked about emails
03:25<dwfreed>scotti: 9 times out of 10 their subscription policy is not in compliance with what Linode requires
03:25<scotti>whenever somebody says 9 out of 10 - I tend to believe those figures were just pulled out of the ________
03:25<scotti>Why do people use services like mailgun or SES ?
03:25<dwfreed>first hand experience
03:26<scotti>for sending emails
03:26<dwfreed>scotti: better chance of delivery
03:26<scotti>and they charge by the bulk
03:26<dwfreed>and all of them have very strict spam policies
03:26<scotti>sure - but Linode is cheaper
03:26<dwfreed>about the same as Linode's, give or take
03:26<scotti>It's not unreasonable for someone to want to know how many emails
03:27<scotti>well maybe he wants to host his website on a 4GB droplet
03:27<scotti>and his DNS, his email etc
03:27<scotti>much much cheaper to do it all in one place
03:27<dwfreed>droplet? this isn't DO
03:27<scotti>nah droplet is the industry word
03:27<dwfreed>no, it isn't
03:27<scotti>fine you can say what you want then :-)
03:28<dwfreed>anyway, the website makes it pretty clear what Linode is
03:28<dwfreed>then again, nobody ever reads the website, so...
03:28<scotti>yes - not a "spammer hostel"
03:29<scotti>a legitimate service for legitimate usage, I think the website suggests
03:29<scotti>I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to know how many emails you can rail off
03:29<scotti>it's a good alternative to SES or mailgun if you know how to setup a mailserver properly
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03:44<arlen>lol
03:46<arlen>scotti: can you link anyone besides DO that uses droplet?
03:47<scotti>hm
03:47<scotti>nope :)
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04:39<ll_>i want to know what is your ip address?
04:39<ll_>range
04:39<ll_>anyone?
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04:39<ponas>depends
04:40<ponas>http://bgp.he.net/AS63949#_prefixes
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04:46<ll_>thanks
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06:57<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • massage lyon pas cher <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14757&p=73362#p73362>
07:17<Knofte>Why does it say "New news" ? it's a bit redundant isn't it?
07:18<@nbrewer>Knofte: ever heard the phrase "that's old news?"
07:19<Knofte>nbrewer: Well, how often do you get "old posts" ?
07:19<Knofte>it's a forum.. :)
07:24<@nbrewer>we get plenty of new posts on very old threads.
07:24<@nbrewer>...but I see your point.
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07:48<zedd>Hello there, Is it possible to host multiple in linode server? I'm using the ubuntu 14.04.
07:48<zedd>Do I need to have a unique IP's for each wordpress site?
07:50<grawity>no, that stopped being a requirement in late 1990's
07:50<grawity>or, if you use HTTPS, still a few years ago
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07:54<zedd>how am I gonna do that? is it okay for each site to have the same IP?
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07:54<ponas>yes. all major web servers supports virtual hosts as it's called
07:55<ponas>zedd: here's a guide for apache: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website#configure-name-based-virtual-hosts
08:05<zedd>thanks buddy
08:20<Knofte>nbrewer: is it allowed to run a tor relay on linode?
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08:22<@nbrewer>Knofte: yes
08:22<Knofte>Cheers mate.
08:23<@jleal>Worth noting that you are responsible for the traffic leaving your Linode - tor relay or not :)
08:23<Knofte>jleal: fair enough :)
08:23<@jleal><3
08:23<Knofte>notetoself: move to venezuela.
08:23<@nbrewer>^ definitely worth noting. You're still required to abide by our terms of service, etc.
08:24<@jalter>Knofte: Make sure you visit Angel Falls. I hear it's breathtaking
08:24<Knofte>jalter: :)
08:24<@jleal>send pictures!
08:24<Knofte>it's a deal mate
08:26<Knofte>jleal: in case abuse, in general, would that affect the host itself, or the whole account. thinking if we have 100+ real production servers with you, just so they don't get affected by 1 infected machine or so.
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08:27<@nbrewer>Knofte: for most abuse complaints, we'll simply open a ticket first. if you don't respond in a timely manner (this varies depending upon the severity of the complaint) we will have to restrict network access to that Linode.
08:27<@jleal>We like to think the best of people, as such normal abuse cases are handled on a per Linode basis - while more systemic signs of abuse are handled at the account level. Given what you've said, I wouldn't expect to see actions carried out at the account level but its entirely dependant on how the situation is handled
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08:28<Frank____>Hey Lionde, I was wondering if the promo code: "BOOTSTRAPPEDFM" is still available? 🙂
08:28<Knofte>jleal, nbrewer thanks for the answers champs.
08:28<@jleal>rawr :)
08:28<grawity>hmm
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08:28<grawity>are those tickets based entirely on external abuse reports, or also on traffic monitoring?
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08:30<@nbrewer>ah dang
08:30<@nbrewer>I just had his answer too
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08:34<Knofte>The transfer at bottom of the dashboard, is the avg'ed for the rest of the month in case you deploy a linode say today? Cause it doesn't add up correctly for one of our accounts, being 830G quota, should be roughly 3T.
08:35<@nbrewer>Knofte: the amount is prorated based on when you created your Linode's during this month's billing cycle.
08:35<@nbrewer>s/Linode's/Linodes
08:35<Knofte>roger*
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09:06<frate>Hello, I followed the linode guide to setup mailserver postfix-dovecot-mysql...everything works fine...but I tried to set up roundcube...imap works, smtp doesn't... nginx timeouts... how to fix?
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09:08<med_>hi
09:09<DrJ>hi
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09:09<DrJ>frate: you might be better asking in #roundcube on freenode
09:09<med_>can i ask a question here?
09:10<DrJ>that depends, do you know how to type a question?
09:10<DrJ>!ask
09:10<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
09:10<med_>OK
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09:11<med_>can 1G linode server can handle my ecommerce site
09:11<frate>DrJ: I will try, postfix gives me a clue : ssl_accept error
09:11<med_>based on wordpress
09:12<frate>But on my email client there are no errors ...?
09:12<Zimsky>s/postfix/exim/
09:12<DrJ>med_, there is really no way for us to answer that
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09:12<DrJ>however, you can start with a 1GB and if it doesn't work you can easily upgrade the linode to a higher plan
09:13<frate>Zimsky: I'm new, just followed linode startup guide
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09:13<Zimsky>you won't have an ecommerce site if you use wordpress, because someone will exploit it and host a boat hiring site in Ukraine
09:13<DrJ>haha
09:14<Zimsky>it's like "I have a problem with PHP"
09:14<Zimsky>- "that goes without saying"
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09:14<Zimsky>PHP is the problem.
09:14<Knofte>haha
09:14<Zimsky>discord sucks too
09:14<Knofte>you don't have much faith in php/WP do you?
09:15<ryan>I have a couple of site hosted in my server and suddenly 9/10 of my sites got an error "Error establishing a database connection" while the other 1 is working fine. it seems like its alone database is working others are not
09:15<ryan>hello,
09:15<DrJ>actually I've found that if you password protect the wp-admin folder it eliminates about 99.999937237% of wp hacks
09:15<Zimsky>DrJ: I've found that if you don't use wordpress and use something far far better (like a muddy stick or a piece of lettuce), it eliminates 100% of wp hacks
09:16<Knofte>never had issues with wp getting cracked.
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09:16<Zimsky>Knofte: then your nginx install must not be working
09:16<DrJ>Zimsky, maybe so... but honestly I don't think wordpress is bad at all
09:16<Knofte>Zimsky: it works fine ;)
09:16<DrJ>and PHP is not the problem
09:17<Zimsky>I think there's a conspiracy between DrJ and Knofte
09:17<DrJ>you just need to know how to secure wordpress
09:17<Zimsky>something's afoot, and I'm not talking about my feet
09:17<Zimsky>or 12 inches
09:17<DrJ>like I said, putting a .htaccess password protection on wp-admin elimates basically all of wordpress vulnerabilities
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09:17<Zimsky>DrJ: iptables -I INPUT -s 0.0.0.0/0 -j DROP
09:17<Zimsky>solved
09:17<Knofte>Well, php has a bunch of problems, but i wouldn't go as far as saying that any wp site can be hacked just because you don't put a pass on your wp-admin/
09:18<DrJ>oh, not saying that Knofte
09:18<Zimsky>except if you still use ipv6
09:18<DrJ>just saying it greatly helps
09:18<Zimsky>but no one who uses wordpress seems to properly configure ipv6 for their site
09:18<DrJ>because most of the vulnerabilities that come up exist there
09:19<Knofte>Zimsky: what seems to be the problem with ipv6 and wp?
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09:19<Zimsky>Knofte: people.
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09:19<Zimsky>bad sysadmins.
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09:19<Knofte>Zimsky: elaborate.
09:19<Zimsky>"knofte"
09:19<Zimsky>:D
09:20<Knofte>I don't see why ipv6 specifically would be more insecure for most ppl running wp sites.
09:21<Zimsky>I don't see why either
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09:21<Zimsky>why are you considering that?
09:21<Knofte>15:21:12 < Zimsky> but no one who uses wordpress seems to properly configure ipv6 for their site
09:22<Zimsky>that has literally nothing to do with security
09:22<dzho>I guess that depends on how expansive a view one takes of security. If ensuring availability is part of it, it could be.
09:22<Knofte>What did you mean then since it came after my comment about hack/wp-admin
09:22<Zimsky>it was a different point
09:23<dzho>DoS attacks being the pointy end of where this comes into play.
09:23<Zimsky>dzho: it's not
09:23<Zimsky>Knofte is being a Knofte
09:24<dzho>Zimsky: well, if you say so, ok.
09:24<Knofte>I think you're just jibber-jabbing Zimsky :)
09:25<Zimsky>Knofte: I'm making an important point
09:25<Zimsky>I have no idea what jibber-jabbing is
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09:34<Amiran>good day
09:34<Zimsky>not really
09:34<Zimsky>hi
09:35<Amiran>can you help ?
09:35<Knofte>Amiran: Just ask your question.. :)
09:35<Knofte>Zimsky is very helpful and happy to help you.
09:35<Zimsky>yes
09:36<Zimsky>don't use PHP or anything involving PHP
09:36<Zimsky>or centos
09:36<Zimsky>windows will kill your family
09:36<Zimsky>Knofte: I halp
09:37<Amiran>i have problem with comfiming the right about ownership of domain
09:37<Zimsky>are you talking about a domain transfer or registration?
09:38<Amiran>about making corporative e-mail
09:39<Zimsky>linode doesn't handle any domains or domain ownership issues
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09:42<Amiran>linode is provides hosting for my domain, and google says that txt records of linode are closed , and I have to ask linode to make txt records open them to see the text I have added
09:42<msnativesun>Gm everyone
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09:43<Zimsky>Amiran: unless you're hosting your DNS with linode, linode can't do anything about your TXT records. In the event you are using linode's DNS manager for your domain, you can add the TXT record yourself
09:43<Zimsky>also, in case it's not brutally clear, I don't work for linode
09:43<Amiran>ok thanks)
09:44<msnativesun>does anyone know where I can get information on setting up my bots for second through linode?
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09:52<gparent>for second?
09:53<Celti>SecondLife, maybe?
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10:08<Zimsky>OH NEIN IT IS ZE SS
10:08<veecious>im going to run php on my windows server
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10:10<Zimsky>I hope you get what you deserve
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10:45<ashok>I have installed mongodb3.4 on ubuntu16 machine. default mongodb database path is /var/lib/mongodb, when I change this path to home directory /root/mongodb , after this when I start mongodb getting permission denied issue. even I change ownership of directory /root/mongodb to user mongodb. sudo chown -R mongodb:mongodb /root/mongodb. Please help me to solve problem
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10:49<ponas>ashok: by default /root is not readable or writable by other users. you can try to 'chmod 555 /root'.
10:51<ponas>/root is a slightly weird place to store application data used by users other than root, though
10:51<@nbrewer>seems like an awfully poor choice of location though..
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10:52<@nbrewer>^ err yeah, what ponas said.
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10:53<hawk>It's most likely an absolutely horrible idea to change the permissions on /root compared to investigating how to change to using some sane path instead.
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11:02<ashok>drwxr-xr-x 4 mongodb mongodb 12288 /root/data/mongodb
11:03<relidy>mongodb probably doesn't have permission to get that far down the directory structure. /root doesn't allow "other" execute access by default. I'll echo the sentiment of, "this location is a really bad idea"
11:04<Peng>ashok: Use /var/lib/mongodb
11:06<ashok>@Peng, I am not good in linux but just confirm me I have linode server with 30gb hard disc. this /var/lib/mongodb will use same hard disc. right?
11:07<@nbrewer>ashok: yes
11:07<ashok>I though it allocate to home directory /root
11:07<@nbrewer>if you used the default deployment option, all of the storage space on your Linode (minus the swap disk space) is allocated to your root filesystem.
11:08<@nbrewer>ashok: /root is the root user's directory. /var/lib/ is going to be on the same disk
11:08<ashok>yes I used default deployment option.
11:09<@nbrewer>you should stick with the default database location then
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11:11<ashok>okay thank you guys for your support
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11:11<@nbrewer>no problem :)
11:12<Zimsky>"I moved it to /root"
11:12<Zimsky>oh god
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11:51<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:51<Zimsky>Eugene: do you use PHP?
11:51<Eugene>"PHP is a hell of a drug."
11:52<Zimsky>that string does not resolve to a boolean
11:56<gparent>sure does
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11:59<veecious>too much php hate in dis room
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11:59<warewolf>there is never enough php hate
12:00<veecious>i hope people start using flash to make webpages again
12:00<veecious>to teach you all a lesson
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12:00<warewolf>yes, a lesson in how to compromise everyone's PCs because flash is essentially a browser remote code execution backdoor
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12:01<Claudio>Hello all
12:01<veecious>i've never been compromised from viewing a flash page
12:01<@nbrewer>Claudio: hello, feel free to ask your question.
12:02<Claudio>i'm kind of lost here
12:02<Claudio>i'm trying to get a vagrant machine running
12:02<Claudio>but when i run vagrant up
12:02<hawk>veecious: Many have, though.
12:02<veecious>newgrounds used to be all flash but they've changed to html 5 player
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12:03<veecious>i believe you i'm not defending it
12:03<Claudio>i get this message
12:03<Claudio>WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81) or it failed to load
12:03<warewolf>Claudio: it's trying to load a virtualbox kernel driver, which isn't necessary
12:03<warewolf>it sounds like you need to tell vagrant not to use virtalbox?
12:04<Claudio>oh i undesrtad that it's mandatory
12:04<Claudio>can i disable that?
12:04<veecious>doesnt vagrant need virtualbox?
12:04<veecious>it seems like you need to tinker with the settings i use virtualbox on my vagrant machines with no problem
12:05<warewolf>right, but he's doing this on a linode
12:05<warewolf>which is already a VM
12:05<veecious>ah ok
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12:05<Claudio>oh
12:05<Claudio>you are right!
12:06<Claudio>i'm using vagrant like in my localhost
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12:06<Claudio>but it's different here
12:07<Claudio>do anyone know a tutorial or how to about it?
12:15<relidy>Claudio: https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/configuration-management/vagrant-linode-environments
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12:36<DEB>hi
12:37<DEB>may I have multiple IP address for my VPS
12:37<dwfreed>!ips
12:37<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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12:38<DEB>so I want have 10 IP in addition with the primary IP
12:39<DEB>how much you charge me for those 10 additional IPs per month
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12:39<dwfreed>did you read what linbot said?
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12:39<dwfreed>because it directly answered that question
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12:39<DEB>yes, ok
12:39<DEB>can make the additional IP
12:40<DEB>to be Primary in future
12:40<dwfreed>there's not really such thing as a "primary" address
12:40<DEB>ok
12:40<DEB>but I can switch or rotate the IP from the list
12:40<DEB>right ?
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12:41<dwfreed>you can't change out your IP addresses for new ones at will, if that's what you mean
12:41<DEB>i may need to change the IP
12:41<DEB>of the server
12:42<Zimsky>why
12:42<Zimsky>I can think of two reasons, one of which is highly unlikely, the other suspicious
12:43<DEB>Need to send email blusts
12:43<DEB>not any suspicious
12:43<Zimsky>blusts? do you mean bursts?
12:43<dwfreed>that's not a valid reason to change your IP
12:43<Zimsky>you shouldn't have to overcome mail issues by changing IP addresses if it's legitimate
12:43<DEB>email campaign
12:44<dwfreed>also, you should read the ToS
12:44<dwfreed>!tos
12:44<linbot>https://www.linode.com/tos
12:44<Zimsky>gmail actually has a specific set of tools iirc for handling those sorts of issues
12:44<DEB>ok
12:44<Zimsky>https://gmail.com/postmaster/
12:44<Claudio>thanks relidy and warewolf
12:45<Claudio>may i have more thant 1 vagrant machine running in the same linode instance?
12:45<Zimsky>DEB: assuming you have your DNS records aligned, SPF, DKIM and DMARC set up, and your emails are not spam, you should have few qualms if any
12:46<Zimsky>you don't need a bunch of different IPs to send from
12:46<dwfreed>Claudio: one vagrant machine would map to one linode
12:46<DEB>ok
12:46<Claudio>thanks
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13:07<scotti>Linode will give you an entire /56 ?
13:07<scotti>nice
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13:08<Zimsky>if you're nice enough, some LIRs will give you a /48
13:08<Zimsky>some RIRs will assign you a /32 even
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13:11<scotti>that's stupid
13:11<scotti>complete waste of IP space
13:11<scotti>I could understand a /56
13:13<grawity>they give you a /48 when you're their customer and are setting up ipv6 for your network
13:13<grawity>they give you a /32 when you're planning to give out /48's to *your* customers
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13:26<MajObviousman>handing out a /32 is equivalent to assigning a single IPv4
13:28<scotti>MajObviousman: no it isn't
13:28<MajObviousman>do tell
13:28<scotti>handing out a /32 IPv6 leaves a far far larger number of IPv6 available than handing out a /32 IPv4
13:29<MajObviousman>you don't say
13:29<scotti>think of it in terms of how many available addresses you take away from the total pool
13:29<scotti>1 / 2^32 is a far larger than number than 2^32 / 2^128
13:30<MajObviousman>so you have that backwards. And you have that backwards.
13:30<scotti>no I don't
13:30<scotti>if you give someone an IPv4
13:30<MajObviousman>swap your two expressions, and that ipv6 calculation should be 2^96 / 2^128
13:30<scotti>a single IPv4
13:31<scotti>no
13:31<scotti>I'm referring to a single allocation as a ratio of it against the entire total pool
13:31<scotti>when you give away a /32 IPv6
13:32<scotti>you are effectively giving away 2^32 / 2^128 of the total available pool
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13:32<scotti>that is 1 / 2^96 of total available IPv6s
13:32<scotti>individual IPv6
13:32<scotti>addresses
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13:33<scotti>you're assuming that /32 IPv6's aren't divisible
13:33<scotti>as /32 IPv4 are not divisible
13:33<scotti>think about it for a minute
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13:35<dirgeable>hi! a client wants their own linux, can i run multiple on one linode?
13:35<scotti>dirgeable: you mean one VPS?
13:35<scotti>you can order multiple VPS, but nested KVM performance sucks
13:35<dirgeable>ah
13:36<dirgeable>is there an easy way to copy to a different one then
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13:37<dirgeable>basically they want a whole new os not on my server, and if i can copy stuff over easily it is helpful
13:37<dirgeable>so wondering if i should get a new linode or upgrade
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13:38<scotti>dirgeable: you should just order a new VPS
13:38<dirgeable>thanks!
13:38<scotti>install the OS they want on it
13:38<scotti>rsync what you need, etc
13:38<scotti>you're welcome!
13:38<dirgeable>so linode == vps
13:38<scotti>yes - they only sell VPS
13:38<dirgeable>k
13:39<scotti>you could get a dedi though from someone else
13:39<scotti>and split it up into VMs
13:39<scotti>but that costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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13:39<scotti>for the equivalent power a Linode VPS
13:39<MajObviousman>scotti: how many ipv6 addresses do you think are in a /32?
13:39<MajObviousman>do you understand how subnetting works?
13:39<scotti>s^96
13:40<scotti>2^96
13:40<scotti>yes I do
13:40<dirgeable>so no easy way to copy an entire disk image?
13:40<dirgeable>to a new vps
13:40<scotti>dirgeable: if you open a ticket they can clone it
13:40<scotti>but the client wants a new OS right?
13:40<dirgeable>oh cool
13:40<zifnab>(there's also a clone button...somewhere
13:40<dirgeable>they just want a separate one
13:41<zifnab>too lazy to log in, tfa is a bitch
13:41<scotti>MajObviousman: when you give away a single IPv4 (a /32) you are giving away 1 out of 2^32 possible addresses
13:41<MajObviousman>.calc (2^96)/(26^128)
13:41<dirgeable>zifnab, saw it but didnt know if i could between linodes
13:41<zifnab>no, its only cloning between linodes and potatos
13:42<MajObviousman>typo'd it anyway
13:42<scotti>MajObviousman: however
13:42<scotti>when you give away a /32 of IPv6
13:43<scotti>there are far more individual IPv6 available
13:43<scotti>in absolute terms
13:43<scotti>we're not talking ratio - we're talking absolutes
13:43<scotti>does it not make sense?
13:43<MajObviousman>I was talking ratio. You assumed I was talking absolute
13:43<MajObviousman>that's what doens't make sense
13:43<scotti>well why would ratio matter
13:44<scotti>when talking about IP space
13:44<scotti>everybody needs 1
13:44<MajObviousman>you assume incorrectly, then proceed to try and correct me. And in doing so demonstrate your tenuous grasp of mathematics
13:44<scotti>that's the whole raison d'etre of IPv6
13:44*scotti understands math though
13:44<scotti>I understand that a /32 of IPv4 is not equivalent to a /32 of IPv6
13:44<scotti>in the relevant conception of it: in absolute terms
13:45<scotti>everybody in this channel either needs 1 IPv4 or 1 IPv6 to connect to IRC, for example
13:46<scotti>anyways it's all good MajObviousman :)
13:46<scotti>no need to fight about something so trivial
13:46<Zimsky>you're all twazzocks
13:46<Zimsky>as always, I am correct
13:47<Zimsky>ip addresses are a thing of the past. we address via emoji now
13:47<MajObviousman>smaller address space than ipv4, unfortunately
13:47<zifnab>zimsky is 💩 👶 🌵
13:47<Zimsky>incorrect.
13:48<zifnab>i can be found at :ewok: 🔥 :plane: :island:
13:48<Zimsky>zifnab: I am the octupus that stabs you in the back
13:48<Zimsky>ewok fire plane island?
13:48<Zimsky>nice
13:48<veecious>we should give ip address to people like social security #'s
13:48<MajObviousman>interesting
13:48<zifnab>Zimsky: i used to work a place that would quietly fire people without telling anyone. i was the unfortunate person who'd have to revoke accoutns and such
13:49<zifnab>Zimsky: so every friday, i'd either post :ewok: :martini: :island: or :ewok: 🔥 :island:
13:49<Zimsky>I agree with MajObviousman
13:49<Zimsky><MajObviousman> handing out a /32 is equivalent to assigning a single IPv4
13:49<Zimsky>this is a correct statement
13:49<Zimsky>scotti: why would you contest that?
13:49<scotti>Zimsky: nope it's wrong
13:49<scotti>you're thinking in terms of ratio
13:49<scotti>not absolutes
13:49<Zimsky>well 2 against 1 mate
13:49<Zimsky>pretty sure we're right
13:49<scotti>nope
13:49<scotti>here:
13:49<scotti>when you give away a /32 of IPv4
13:49*Zimsky hi-fives MajObviousman
13:50<scotti>2^32 - 1 of the total IPv4 address space remains
13:50<MajObviousman>Observe the pedant in his natural habitat. Lurking in the tall grass, waiting for a weakened prey to wander by
13:50<scotti>when you give away a /32 of IPv6
13:50<MajObviousman>my unicode is broken, so I can't direct a high five back at you
13:50<veecious>i shall remain on the fence until a clear winner emerges
13:50<scotti>2^128 - 2^96 of the total IPv6 address space remains
13:51<scotti>which difference is larger, Zimsky ?
13:51<Zimsky>veecious: or you could join the already winning #TeamZimsky
13:51<scotti>it makes no sense to talk in terms of ratio Zimsky
13:51<scotti>when you only need either 1 IPv4 or 1 IPv6 address to connect to anything
13:51<Zimsky>it's like if you get a /24 of ipv4, you should get a /24 of ipv6
13:51<Zimsky>it's only fair
13:52<scotti>veecious: what's the verdict
13:52-!-Zimsky is now known as Ken_M
13:52<scotti>no you can't change nicks in the middle of a discussion :)
13:52<scotti>that's not fair
13:52<scotti>:P
13:52*MajObviousman awards Ken_M 5 out of a possible 7 points
13:52<Ken_M>we should use less ip anyway to conserve energy
13:52<Ken_M>more ip = more energy
13:53<MajObviousman>all that unnecessary extra addresing and subnet calculations
13:53<MajObviousman>we're making the routers work harder for no advantage
13:53<Ken_M>so we should give ipv6 /1s I think to people
13:53<Ken_M>only 1 address
13:53<scotti>Ken_M: no we should give away /128 to people
13:53<scotti>only 1 address
13:53<MajObviousman>and treat it like a social security number
13:53<scotti>yah
13:53<Ken_M>scotti: giving 128 ipv6 addresses to someone is very silly
13:53<Ken_M>and a waste of ipv6 and thus energy
13:54<scotti>nope
13:54<scotti>a /128 is perfectly fine
13:54<Ken_M>zifnab: laugh with me
13:54<scotti>because it's all you need
13:54-!-Ken_M is now known as Zimsky
13:54<scotti>I love how I won and you guys won't admit it :)
13:54<scotti>you guys are fun
13:54<scotti>do either of you play poker ?
13:54<zifnab>you say that, have you ever had the misfortune of running something with full bgp tables?
13:54<Zimsky>scotti: in all seriousness, and my incessant mockery of you
13:54<zifnab>the minimum allocation should be a /64, because thats the minimum accepted BGP peer length
13:55<Zimsky>/112s are sane
13:55<Zimsky>SLAAC requires a /64
13:55<MajObviousman>crossing over 512k BGP entries was a very bad time for me
13:55<Zimsky>lol
13:55<Peng>also it's the "banned from IRC" length
13:55<MajObviousman>or 256k or whatever it was
13:55<Zimsky>peng: u wot m88
13:55<FluffyFoxeh>m80
13:55<scotti>yes the /64 is true
13:56<scotti>but even then
13:56<FluffyFoxeh>Linode's /64 policy makes no sense to me though
13:56<FluffyFoxeh>the entire /64 is routed to one Linode
13:56<scotti>if you assume that a /64 is the smallest unit
13:56<scotti>there are still more IPv6 smallest units than IPv4 smallest units
13:56<Zimsky>64s are fine, stop complaining
13:56<scotti>if you give one away
13:56*scotti still wins
13:56<scotti>there is no logical reason to think about this in ratio terms
13:56<Zimsky>scotti: you are aware I and MajObviousman were making fun of you, yes?
13:57<MajObviousman>I'm not entirely sure he is aware
13:57<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky stop being an arse
13:57<FluffyFoxeh>:v
13:57<scotti>Zimsky: sure - but it's only becaue you don't want to admit that I won :)
13:57<Zimsky>MajObviousman: unless scotti is trying to turn the tables here
13:57<scotti>it's easy to mock someone when it's your only available tool
13:57<MajObviousman>fine, you won some oceanfront property in Missouri
13:57<MajObviousman>congratulations
13:57<Zimsky>I think I see what is going on
13:57<scotti>guys it's completely okay to lose
13:57<scotti>not a problem :)
13:57<scotti>let's just be friends anyway
13:57<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: don't get me started on you
13:58*FluffyFoxeh looks innocent
13:58<Zimsky>zifnab: you still run an AS, right?
13:58<zifnab>Zimsky: i don't, as of a few years ago. new job, new city, etc
13:58<Zimsky>o
13:58<MajObviousman>do ASNs get recycled?
13:59<MajObviousman>if so, who got assigned your ASN?
13:59<Zimsky>I want to test some BGP magic fuckery but I don't have an AS
13:59<FluffyFoxeh>tfw no Asperger Syndrome
13:59<MajObviousman>I don't think it's too expensive to get registered
13:59<MajObviousman>$100 or summat
13:59<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: Asperger's*, also it's not a valid diagnosis as of DSM-5
13:59<FluffyFoxeh>indeed
14:00<Zimsky>MajObviousman: lol
14:00<Zimsky>$100, lol
14:00<Zimsky>have you seen APNIC's fees schedule?
14:00<FluffyFoxeh>$100 is a refreshingly low price for something like that
14:00<FluffyFoxeh>usually it's a few orders of magnitude higher to restrict it to srs bsns
14:01<scotti>AS69
14:01*scotti runs AS69
14:01<MajObviousman>add a zero
14:01<FluffyFoxeh>oh, $1000 still isn't insane
14:01<Zimsky>>UPenn
14:02<scotti>$1000 is a lot of money in Italy
14:02<scotti>not really pratical price to pay
14:02<Zimsky>good thing we're not in italy
14:02<scotti>yeah Italians would poison you
14:02<Zimsky>impossibru, I get poisoned when I walk outside
14:02<scotti>with fast food and additives
14:02<FluffyFoxeh>I imagine it's not chump change for most people
14:02<FluffyFoxeh>it isn't for me
14:02<FluffyFoxeh>:p
14:02<scotti>"efficient" food
14:02<FluffyFoxeh>but it's not ridiculous either
14:02<scotti>very price efficient indeed
14:03<MajObviousman>$500/yr for the AS and $500/yr for an ipv6 allocation
14:03<MajObviousman>is what my neteng is telling me for our block
14:03<zifnab>depends on size
14:03<FluffyFoxeh>I want a /0
14:03<zifnab>AS is free w/ an ipv4 allocation (or, was)
14:04<FluffyFoxeh>is it even possible to get an IPv4 allocation from most RIRs at this point
14:04<FluffyFoxeh>didn't they literally run out
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14:05<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: sure, grab yourself some of that ST2+
14:05<FluffyFoxeh>AfriNIC still has a ton
14:05<FluffyFoxeh>:p
14:06<Eugene>If you can afford an ASN registration and the bandwidth to do something meaningful, you can afford a few /24s on the grey market
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14:06<FluffyFoxeh>I was wondering about that actually
14:06<FluffyFoxeh>is there an open market for IPv4 addresses now?
14:06<Zimsky>naturally
14:06<Eugene>There are various shady-looking exchanges; in reality you just need to find somebody with a netblock and sign a contract
14:07<Eugene>Its just an ISP relationship, like any other
14:07<FluffyFoxeh>makes sense
14:07<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: yeah sure, just take them from afrinic
14:07<Zimsky>the africans never did anything to anyone when they took their stuff
14:07<FluffyFoxeh>ಠ_ಠ
14:07<MajObviousman>I'm sure South Africa won't mind you spinning up a front company just so you can filch a registration for ipv4
14:07<Eugene>If you pay your taxes, why would they?
14:08<FluffyFoxeh>yeah that sounds perfectly legit
14:08<MajObviousman>not lke there's not already many tens or hundreds of existing brokers who would happily do that for you
14:08<Zimsky>Eugene: the implication was that one would steal them
14:08<FluffyFoxeh>one does not simply steal ones and zeroes
14:08<Eugene>This is basically the same thingthat has been going on for /decades/ with Flags of Convenience in the shipping industry
14:08<MajObviousman>who said anything about steal
14:08<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky did
14:08<FluffyFoxeh>:p
14:09<MajObviousman>who?
14:09<Eugene>$COUNTRY does not actually care what you do with your boat, so long as you pay the registration fees on time
14:09<MajObviousman>I only see a series of unicode characters
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14:09<FluffyFoxeh>i'm used to it, I don't even see the code
14:09<MajObviousman>the nick formerly known as Zimsky
14:09-!-Emily is now known as emilyw
14:10<emilyw>who the fuck is zimsky anyway
14:10<emilyw>Eugene: I beg to disagree
14:10<FluffyFoxeh>some fgt
14:10*MajObviousman checks the Shenaniganery monitor, sees the 5min average increasing steadily
14:10<Eugene>I don't respond to beggars, go away
14:11<emilyw>Eugene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Ivory_Coast_toxic_waste_dump
14:11<MajObviousman>that first sentence is a geographic disaster
14:12<MajObviousman>ETOOMANYLOCATIONSTOPARSE
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14:12<emilyw>there's four locations in said sentence
14:13<emilyw>are you okay
14:13<emilyw>do you need a tissue?
14:14<MajObviousman>yes please, my brain is leaking
14:15<zifnab>ivory coast, panama, singapore oil company, abidijan
14:15<scotti>emilyw: a/s/l
14:15<MajObviousman>well, three locations really, since abidijan is a central figure of the ivory coast
14:15<scotti>emilyw: you seem like a cute girl. do you have a boyfriend ?
14:16<emilyw>scotti: m/58/italy
14:16<scotti>nope not my type
14:16<emilyw>fuck off i have a bf
14:16<MajObviousman>there's not many n/22/mars folks around, so you might need to broaden your type
14:16<scotti>do you know
14:16<emilyw>relationships are for associated boats
14:17<MajObviousman>and databases
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14:17<Zimsky>scotti: you're weird
14:17<Zimsky>the wrong kind of weird
14:17<Zimsky>I miss juice
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14:18<scotti>whois juice
14:18<Zimsky>s/^/\//
14:18<scotti>Zimsky: we'll be best friends
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14:18<scotti>I'll teach you about mathematics
14:18<scotti>and you can teach me about English
14:18<Zimsky>I have a degree in mathematics
14:18<Zimsky>no thanks
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14:20<veecious>handing out a /32 is not the same as assigning a single IPv4
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14:20<veecious>am i late to the party?
14:21<Zimsky>there is no spoon
14:21<Zimsky>party
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14:21<Zimsky>there is no spoon party
14:21<Zimsky>there is only a fork party
14:21<veecious>that's racist to spoons
14:22<Zimsky>good
14:22<veecious>not a fan of spoons huh
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14:23<veecious>what do you eat your wheaties with?
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14:24<@nbrewer>my mouth, usually
14:24<Zimsky>hello nbrewer
14:25<@nbrewer>howdy Zimsky o/
14:25<Zimsky>Excellent conversation. We must do this again some time
14:25<@nbrewer>i think we all came away with a lot to think about
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15:18<Eugene>mquatrani - FWIW, it's /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. I'll throw in some other things, but they're not very interesting
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16:07<WebDev>Hello anyone active?
16:08<WebDev>Hello Hello 😀
16:08<ponas>yes
16:08<WebDev>Hi
16:08<ponas>hello
16:08<WebDev>I have a question for everyone in general
16:09<WebDev>I have a client who hosts one of their web servers on linode
16:09<WebDev>and I have ssh access to the server
16:09<WebDev>but I have no idea what his username and password are to his account
16:09<WebDev>is there any way to get this from ssh?
16:09<ponas>no
16:10<WebDev>lol
16:10<ponas>the client can give you the login details or create a sub-account with access to his server (afaik)
16:10<WebDev>sort of what I figured
16:11<WebDev>Client misplaced it also 💀
16:11<WebDev>it's a chain reaction of incompetency
16:11<ponas>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#users-and-permissions
16:12<ponas>then I guess they'll have to use the forgotten password feature or if all hope is lost email support@linode.com :-)
16:12<WebDev>Yeah thats about what I figured
16:14<WebDev>Honestly I don't even know if we are in contact with the developer that set up this linode
16:14<WebDev>The client had a different dev set it up
16:14<WebDev>Thank you for your help ponas
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16:16<mmhmm>Lets pretend I have a linux configuration and I really like that configuration, is there a way to script that entire configuration so that when I turn on a new linux box I can tell it "GO" and it auto conigures that machine to my exact specifications?
16:17<mmhmm>I've been looking at docker, chef, etc. and puppet, but I don't really know where to start. I currently have 12 servers running and need to scale to 20 here soon, and manually creating these boxes each time is getting time consuming.
16:18<WebDev>I feel like that's a docker thing
16:19<WebDev>Also AWS can do that well.
16:19<WebDev>Using EC2 you can make images of servers that you've set up
16:20<mmhmm>That's where I'd rather not create images, I'd rather build those images using a script of some sort, etc. so that I know exactly what's being done in that machine.
16:23<WebDev>sounds like you would need to write the script yourself
16:23<WebDev>you could probably get away with using a mix of your own script and the images I mentioned above.
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16:30<relidy>I'll just leave this here. "Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security": https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/picture-this-senate-staffers-id-cards-have-photo-of-smart-chip-no-security/
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18:02<zoo125>Hi, i have a question about how scaling up/down works. If I get the $40/mo. plan with 8GB and need more memory several months out of the year, how does pricing work if I want to scale up or down? Let's say I *only* need more RAM
18:02<@caker>hello .. you can't mix/match your resources - they're bundled together. So, then plans are what you have to choose from
18:03<@caker>resizing up or down is easy: just a button press and some minutes of downtime while the data is copied around
18:04<zoo125>Ah, I see. Thanks! Is everything billed by the hour or is it the ceiling of whichever plan you use in a given monthly billing cycle?
18:04<@caker>It's hourly capped to the monthly price
18:05<@caker>invoiced at the end of each month, for the previous month's un-invoiced time
18:06<zoo125>Ah, great. So switching doesn't affect the entire cycle, just exactly the hours it's used for. Thanks a lot =)
18:06<zoo125>Was comparing this to DigitalOcean. I'm surprised that plans at similar prices seem to offer so much more in resources.
18:07<@caker>great :)
18:08<zoo125>Oh, one more question. Resizing down is possible so long as you have the storage still? DO's policy is that once you increase storage space you're locked at that tier
18:08<zoo125>as a minimum
18:08<@caker>right... so, yes - you can resize downward. Now, you need to have enough free space on your filesystem so that it CAN be resized smaller ... but otherwise, you can do it
18:09<zoo125>Oh, okay. Terrific =)
18:10<@caker>what are you looking to do with Linode?
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18:11<zoo125>I'm an admin for a sports team forum that seems relatively large (i.e, between 400-2k active users; in season it can really spike) and I'm looking for a way to cut down costs
18:11<zoo125>Currently it runs on a dedicated server, but that's $200/mo
18:12<@caker>ok
18:12<zoo125>I'm thinking that maybe a VPS is sufficient, esp. if we can scale up/down throughout the year. Storage and bandwidth I'm not concerned about (our bandwidth is typically hundreds of GB per month), but I think memory is one thing where we want >8GB
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18:12<zoo125>at least in peak
18:13<@caker>the funny thing is, we probably have faster/more powerful hardware than your dedi has
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18:13<zoo125>Yeah, that might be true. I think I read somewhere these are e5s? Couldn't find more detail than that
18:13<@caker>.. at least that's what I've seen. Cool - sounds like a good fit
18:13<zoo125>Apparently the dedi is an 8x 2.93GHz i7 with 16GB ram right now.
18:14<zoo125>Yeah, I hope so! I *feel* like it should not be impossible for this site to run on the $40 VPS tier at Linode most of the time.
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18:14<zoo125>which makes the $200/mo dedicated server a bit crazy. But you know, it's hard to pitch a big change without being sure =)
18:15<@caker>Our fleet is E5-2680 to E5-2697v4
18:15<zoo125>I don't have the best sense of how much performance we'd sacrifice going to VPS from dedicated, though. Just looking at the specs it almost sounds like...no sacrifice, haha.
18:15<@caker>Intel plays games with desktop vs server processors
18:15<zoo125>Oh. What does that mean?
18:16<@caker>well, Intel makes frequencies higher for desktop procs, but cripples them on max RAM and no SMP, but they're cheap.
18:16<zoo125>ah, i see
18:16<@caker>server procs can do SMP, more RAM, generally larger cache, and, of course, they cost more :)
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18:17<zoo125>It sounds like the e5 is more appropriate for hosting
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18:17<@caker>anyhow - I would bet our stuff will be faster, if you do it correctly (and it CAN be done) .. come in here, ever, if you need tuning advice - or the forum or support tickets
18:18<zoo125>Do you think the $40 tier should be sufficient? Again, I have a poor sense of these things. What I don't want is to pitch something to the owner and then end up with a site that keeps buckling during gamedays when everyone's online. I don't know if I've given enough details for you to have a sense of that either.
18:18<zoo125>Thanks, I appreciate that. This channel is awesome :D
18:19<@caker>My general advice is: those types of questions are almost impossible to answer without more information, and 2) to start somewhere and not worry about it - there's little/no commitment when chosing a plan. Just change it later on
18:19<zoo125>Yeah, makes sense =)
18:20<@caker>You may also want to consider separation of duties (db vs web/app servers), and scaling horizontally is the way to go. Also check out NodeBalancers - https://www.linode.com/nodebalancers
18:20<zoo125>Ah, okay. Thank you! I'll look into that.
18:20<@caker>NBs are useful even just from an administrative perspective (take a dub out of rotation, upgrade it, put it back into rotation, rinse, repeat)
18:22<zoo125>I gotta run now, but thanks for all your advice. Appreciate it. We'll look into Linode more, and I hope they agree to make the switch.
18:22<@caker>great - yw
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18:35<arlen>rip ubuntu 12.04
18:39<Peng>Quick, upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04!
18:46<arlen>stat!
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21:50<Ravi>Hello
21:50<linbot>hello
21:50<arlen>hi
21:50<Ravi>I have a query
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21:51<arlen>ok
21:52<arlen>!ask
21:52<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
21:52<Ravi>I have a social networking site. If i take a linode server. In future we need to change our plan. can we change
21:53<arlen>yup
21:53<arlen>!resize
21:53<linbot>Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images.
21:53<arlen>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
21:56<Ravi>What about the data
21:57<arlen>what about it?
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23:34<linbot>Eugene: Point given to linbot. (1337)
23:35<jthan>well that was amazing
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