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00:42<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • SSL Connection Error <>
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02:02<Zee>Technical Support?
02:06<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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05:28<heihei>anyone here?
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06:12<deorwine>you're still allowed to connect to IRC from your Linode, right?
06:12<deorwine>except one data centre historically (that I am not on)?
06:14<deorwine>it seems now my connection to all EFnet IRC servers on an IRC bouncer I set up on my Linode for me and a few friends, has stopped. It's not because a few of use are using the same hostname, because they all have different virtual host sub-domains I made for them
06:15<Ikaros>Could be getting blocked by said network.
06:15<ponas>what are the irc servers saying? *-lined?
06:15<deorwine>I can access my Linode as a web page fine, and there doesn't seem to have been an increased network traffic either. But, I also notice a bunch of other websites elsewhere on the WWW, are now slow or inaccessible
06:15<deorwine>just timing out
06:16<deorwine>I don't let bad people use the bnc... just chanops of a polite channel or people who are usually polite and don't harass EFnet ops
06:16<deorwine>I forgot what MTR is
06:17<deorwine>EFNet has also been undergoing continuous DDoS since about 2000 or before... sometimes, just many people can't access it anymore
06:17<dwfreed>do a -4rwb and a -6rwb for comparison
06:18<Ikaros>Truthfully I'd stay away from EFnet 'cause it's a haven for malicious actors.
06:18<Ikaros>But that's just me
06:18<deorwine>I've been on it since before most other networks existed
06:19<dwfreed>Ikaros: there are many corners of EFnet, you just have to find the right ones
06:20<deorwine>I looked at that page but don't know what you mean ‘do a -4rwb and a -6rwb,’ dwfreed
06:20<dwfreed>as in 'mtr -4rwb somewhere' and 'mtr -6rwb somewhere'
06:21<ponas>there are a lot of efnet servers. are all of them timing out?
06:21<deorwine>so I should do this on my own IP address?
06:21<deorwine>except on my other IRC bouncers on my shells elsewhere
06:21<dwfreed>deorwine: you should run that on your Linode, and somewhere should be one of the EFnet servers you've tried to connect to
06:22<linbot><command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'
06:22<dwfreed>to make your life easier, ^ that will automatically pastebin the output, and spit out a link for you
06:23<Peng>deorwine: IRC isn't blocked anywhere, fwiw
06:23<dwfreed>Peng: I mean, it's probably still in Zayo's ToS, it's just there's nothing they can do about it
06:24<Peng>Maybe they'll throw all of Linode's servers on the lawn...
06:24<dwfreed>That would be incredibly disastrous for Zayo
06:25<Peng>Because it would damage the grass and they'd get fined?
06:26<Ikaros>I just laughed there irl for a bit
06:26<Ikaros>Because of the image that put in my head
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06:27<deorwine>dwfreed, well I tried both one one EFnet server, then with ‘-4rwb’ on about six servers, and the packets went all the way on the route except to the servers themselves, just onto their networks... like but not for example, rather than ‘???’
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06:28<dwfreed>deorwine: need to actually see the mtrs
06:28<deorwine>it's 100% packet loss at the end on all of them
06:28<dwfreed>still need to see them
06:29<deorwine>ok, want me to put them on a pastebin?
06:31<deorwine>if so, do you prefer certain one(s)?
06:33<dwfreed>see the sprunge command linbot output :)
06:35<deorwine>I haven't used linbot
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06:38<dwfreed>deorwine: I mean this:
06:38<dwfreed>2017-05-02 10:22:20 < dwfreed> !sprunge
06:38<dwfreed>2017-05-02 10:22:21 < linbot> <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'
06:38<dwfreed>2017-05-02 10:22:38 < dwfreed> to make your life easier, ^ that will automatically pastebin the output, and spit out a link for you
06:39<dwfreed>replace <command> with the mtr command you ran
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06:40<deorwine>alright if you want me to do this for like 7 to 12 commands instead of pasting output I already have
06:42<dwfreed>mtr doesn't take that long to run
06:42<deorwine>wait, am I supposed to do this to linbot, or on my server?
06:42<dwfreed>on your server
06:47<deorwine>I don't want to use this next time. I could have just copied all that out of the terminal
06:47<deorwine>and more
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06:53<Thiru>Is there any referral program for linode?
07:00<Thiru>I checked and have one more doubt
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07:01<Thiru>What if my referral come to site and used linode coupons while register for a account?
07:01<Thiru>Will I get my referral commission?
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07:04<dwfreed>Thiru: yes, a coupon code does not negate the referral
07:08<Thiru>Thank you :)
07:09<Thiru>can I get a custom coupon as well?
07:11<deorwine>nvm, they're reconnecting to EFnet now
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07:18<linbot>Fadly: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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08:55<Aditya>Want To Ask @Staff, I'm 16 year-old, n i wanted to sign up n buy host from Linode, is it possible to use my friends Paypal account for the first time deposit?
08:56<Zimsky>who's n
08:56<Aditya>*and i wanted to sign up and buy host from Linode
08:57<grawity>you cannot use a Paypal account for the first-time deposit, whether yours or someone else's
08:57<dwfreed>Aditya: the initial payment must be made with a credit card (or any card that can be charged as a credit card, basically anything with a Visa, Mastercard, American Express, or Discover logo)
08:58<Aditya>i dont have any credit card, is it possible to use my parrent or friends credit card?
08:58<dwfreed>with their permission, yes
08:58<grawity>sure, it's not like Linode cares much
08:59<Aditya>Is it ok if the credit card name not same with my account name?
08:59<Celti>Keeping in mind that the last few digits of the card on file are often used for account verification purposes
08:59<Celti>and yes, that's fine, I charged a few months of my Linodes to my mom's card while unemployed
09:00<gparent>I'm employed and I still charge my mom!
09:00<gparent>Not really.
09:01<Aditya>will Linode need my personal information before i can buy some host?
09:01<DrJ>Aditya: another option is to buy a prepaid debit card
09:02<Aditya>in my country, debit card can't use to buy from international service :(
09:02<DrJ>aditya, they will ask for some personal information... name, address, etc
09:02<DrJ>and there is a chance you might have to provide more if you get flagged for review
09:03<Aditya>i dont have any bill with my name, how i'll take my verification?
09:06<DrJ>Aditya, it sounds like you are really just going to need your parents to sign up for you
09:06<grawity>I don't think the signup requires verification for that?
09:06<DrJ>he might have got flagged grawity
09:06<grawity>well then talk to staff and figure things out
09:07<Aditya>ahh, thx for the information :D, i'm bit scared for the requirement, reason with my age, thank for your time :D
09:07<grawity>but (AFAIK), like in most other places which take credit cards, although you have to _provide_ the information for billing purposes, it's only the bank which cares, not the seller itself
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09:08<dwfreed>Linode doesn't particularly care about the address information, as long as it's not totally bogus; the name on the account at the time of signup should match the credit card, in case the account does end up requiring verification
09:09<dwfreed>once you get past verification, you change it to whatever you want
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09:15<Peng>grawity: Unless your address is the House of Leadership in Tehran. Then the seller and several government agencies will care.
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09:27<FluffyFoxeh>I care.
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11:09<threex5>hello, I have a linode that I set up with iptables, an amp stack, a mailserver, a self-signed ssl certificate and all of that
11:10<threex5>but i need to set up a server quickly for a client. is there a way, in linode, to deploy an image with security and amp pre-configured?
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11:15<@caker>there are many ways. Cloning an existing Linode, using Linode Images to create a gold master, using StackScripts on-first-boot provisioning .. then there are all of the config managemnet tools, and so on
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11:22<threex5>thanks for the reply, caker. stackscripts look like they will save me a lot of time. I will look into it
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11:36<WLS-ITGuy>Hello All ~ How often are you guys updating your hosts?
11:36<Peng>What kind of updates?
11:36<webvictim>nice try rootkitter!
11:37<WLS-ITGuy>Well, lets start with PHP, Postgres, etc
11:37<WLS-ITGuy>Major releases
11:38<dwfreed>generally you should be applying updates as they're released, unless you have very fragile software or SLAs you need to meet
11:39<alexf>WLS-ITGuy: You seem to be under the impression that software on a Linode is handled by "Linode".
11:39<dwfreed>alexf: I think he's surveying the community
11:39<WLS-ITGuy>What DW said
11:39<alexf>my bad.
11:40<WLS-ITGuy>no worries - question might not have been the clearist
11:40<alexf>apt-get install unattended-upgrades FTW
11:42<WLS-ITGuy>I run update && upgrade about every two weeks or so. I'm trying to stay away from downtime issues and on a test box I noticed that upgrading distro debian 7.11 to 8.x causes issues with php.ini and apache2.conf
11:42<WLS-ITGuy>Should I not be upgrading from 7 to 8?
11:43<ponas>upgrading seems like a good idea if you have a plan for handling the issues you noticed on your test box
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11:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode Manager Compatibility <>
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12:33<dzho>one might even say that coming up with a plan to handle issues noticed in the text box *so* you can upgrade should be a priority. Usually doing so is less bad than trying to maintain old software and keeping it from being pwned. </conventional-wisdom>
12:33<dzho>s/text box/test box/
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13:20<Tien_Hoan>Hello there
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13:22<Tien_Hoan>When i completed regist account i got an email
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13:22<Tien_Hoan>Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
13:22<Tien_Hoan>what happen ?
13:23<pimfund>I've waited so long
13:23<Cromulent>your account is being reviewed - check your email - you probably need to send in some documents
13:23<pimfund>No e-mails, i need to buy vps
13:23<Tien_Hoan>why i need waiting my acc verify ?
13:23<Cromulent>you can also give them a phone call then
13:23<Cromulent>fraud protection I imagine
13:23<pimfund>Can i send here
13:25<dzho>!to pimfund ops
13:25<linbot>pimfund: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
13:25<dzho>this is a public channel, with a lot of people who aren't linode employees, so it's not a good idea to share around confidential account details.
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13:42<zifnab>who was going to pycon in a few weeks
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13:47<Eugene>ur a con
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13:48<zifnab>ur a cow
13:48<zifnab>and a towel
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13:49<synfinatic>don't forget to bring a towel!
13:49<zifnab>we all know you just bring towlie
13:50<synfinatic>i just want a Okama Gamesphere
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14:01<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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14:18<veecious>are there any browsers that don't support local storage at this point?
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14:23<veecious>fair enough
14:24*dwfreed ducks
14:25<@jfred>(by which I mean this, not "eww curl" :P
14:26<dwfreed>emacs makes a great operating system
14:26<veecious>heh curl
14:26<@jfred>if only it had a decent text editor
14:26<veecious>You can always use Temple OS
14:27<@jfred>temple os is actually really fascinating
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14:29<veecious>it impressed me when i used it
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14:29<veecious>the fact that he made it by himself is ... daunting
14:35<@jfred>not only that, some of the design decisions are surprisingly useful - e.g. the shell isn't just text, anywhere filenames appear they're also hyperlinks
14:41<zifnab>jfred: i've met the guy who wrote it's father
14:41<zifnab>he owns a bookstore in either lewiston or clarkston (id or wa)
14:41<zifnab>it was LoseTheOS back then
14:42<zifnab>idk, its fascinating, guy is crazy sadly
14:44<MajObviousman>there better be a sacagaweaton near those two towns or else I'll be super disappointed
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15:00<zifnab>MajObviousman: no idea. they're seperated by a river/bridges
15:00<zifnab>one's in idaho, one's in washington
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15:02<vidracaria>boa tarde
15:03<dwfreed>zifnab: so they should name the bridge Sacagawea Memorial Bridge
15:03<vidracaria>estou com um problema. tenho um cliente que estou cuidando
15:03<zifnab>you have a problem, your client has cucumbers?
15:03<vidracaria>e esse cliente está sem o acesso a hospedagem dele
15:03<zifnab>(i don't think anyone here actually speaks portueguese)
15:03<dwfreed>I hate cucumbers, so that would be a problem
15:03<zifnab>haha, sorry :P
15:03<vidracaria>vou traduzir
15:04<vidracaria>just a moment
15:05<dwfreed>google translate is probably pretty close: I have a problem. I have a client I'm taking care of. And this client is without access to hosting it
15:05<vidracaria>I'm with a client who has lost access to hosting with you, how can I regain access to it? If he does not know the login, because it was done by someone else who did not pass the data to it. And have lost contact with this person?
15:06<nate>you guys are prob gonna have to reach out to and provide what you can to show he should have access
15:06<dwfreed>if they have the billing information (name on the account + last 6 of the card paying for it), Linode can help them regain access
15:06<vidracaria>Domain is
15:06<dwfreed>and that's all done through contacting support ^ email would probably be easiest, due to being international
15:07<vidracaria>Let me get an invoice here, a moment.
15:08<vidracaria>Would you solve it for me?
15:09<dwfreed>we don't work for Linode
15:09<dwfreed>you'll have to email support, as nate mentioned
15:10<vidracaria>Can you give me an email of support?
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17:09<mobyty>can I ask about cPanel?
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17:09<relidy>!to mobyty ask
17:09<linbot>mobyty: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
17:09<relidy>!to mobyty cpanel
17:09<linbot>mobyty: Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
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17:13<mobyty>thanks. I installed Webmin but cant\`t connect through it to my host
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17:22<relidy>mobyty: You installed this on the actual host, correct? Are you able to connect to Webmin at all? If not, have you opened a hole in your firewall for the Webmin port?
17:24<mobyty> You installed this on the actual host, correct? - YES
17:26<pmp6nl>mobyty, this worked for me for opening the port, but Im not sure what version of linux you are using
17:26<pmp6nl>sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10000 -j ACCEPT
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17:27<pmp6nl>I assume you have ssh access to the server
17:31<mobyty>Thanks! Solved now
17:31<mobyty>find it in google search
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18:06<zifnab>i am bad at naming things
18:06<zifnab>i've gone from dux (roman military commander) to lux (rhymes with dux) to lumen (both lights)
18:06<zifnab>new box is...somehow related to lumen but i'm drawing a blank
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18:09<zifnab>Procyon it is
18:09<zifnab>its a star, stars put out lumens
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18:10<zifnab>the stupid thing is, our sun's name isn't 'sol' outside of science fiction
18:10<zifnab>its just sun
18:10<millisa>the one true fiction.
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18:11<zifnab>its not 'Sol' until we make it to another planet, find out they also call their star 'Sun', and...yeah
18:12<zifnab>i was thinking Siruis because its a bright star, but i know a sirius, and he's a dick
18:12<millisa>solis then? stick with latin?
18:16<millisa>i hate coming up with names when I need them. so we plan themes out ahead of time. lately it's been tv shows for the physical hosts/environment, characters from that show are the vms (or other systems) in that environment
18:16<millisa>pick a 5 season show and you get a whole pool of names
18:18<relidy>I too am horrible with names. I always seem to pull RPG character names from Stargate SG-1.
18:18<MajObviousman>you could do worse
18:18<MajObviousman>if I run across one more wiki server named minerva ...
18:18<millisa>i really hate planets/greek-roman god themes at this point
18:19<MajObviousman>well, depends on the planet
18:19<millisa>there's a thousand jupiters and no lv426's
18:20<zifnab>new naming scheme
18:20<zifnab>type last server's name into UD
18:20<zifnab>click hash mark
18:20<zifnab>pick something
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18:21<zifnab>my original naming scheme was colors
18:21<zifnab>fuschia was a 192
18:21<zifnab>physical machines get named after the first CPU gen that device's usage had
18:21<zifnab>desktop is coppermine, server is phenom
18:22<zifnab>laptop is penryn
18:22<zifnab>moved on to hybrid eating utensils, ran out quickly, went to roman military types, "meh"
18:23<millisa>my personal machines are all named for annoying insects...
18:23<zifnab>current scheme is "tangentially related to the previous iteration"
18:23<Peng><- anime references :P
18:23<zifnab>vultr box was dux, i picked lux for a linode, then lumen (related to light), and now alioth (a sun, can also be measured in lumens)
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18:34<Eugene>I use descriptive server names where possible(; pet names for physical things like my fileserver and laptop, and then random baby names or whatever for Linodes and other rentals.
18:35<Eugene>Jeeves is my ssh/vpn/whatever box, because that is a butler name
18:35<synfinatic>all my boxes are named after booze
18:36<synfinatic>although, at a previous company I was able to name everything after southpark characters. the printer was lemmiwinks
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18:46<zifnab>lol, this does work
18:46<zifnab>irccloud behind znc
18:46<zifnab>gets rid of the nasty hostname
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19:41<Eugene>Yay I can go back to having irccloud on ignore
19:41<Eugene>You are the only reason I put up with that shit
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20:05<Zimsky>zifnab: or just get rid of the irccloud
20:05<Zimsky>Eugene: why do you ignore it
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20:23<Eugene>I have found a high correlation between users of gateway/* services(various web UIs, irccloud, whatever) and stupidity.
20:23<Zimsky>I agree, but that's no reason to /ignore
20:23<Eugene>Or put another way: if you cannot be arsed to run HexChat or irssi or something that actually speaks irc://, I do not want to listen to what you have to say
20:23<Zimsky>you miss conversations
20:24<Zimsky>and has has an air of implication that you're not particularly tolerable
20:24<Eugene>I don't use IRC so that I can participate in other people's conversations
20:24<Zimsky>which, now that I think, makes sense
20:24<Zimsky>okay then
20:24<Eugene>Really, its my intolerance of web IRC users that makes you think I am not a people person?
20:25<Zimsky>not tolerable, my bad
20:25<millisa>"I'm a people person" - Every Cylon, Ever
20:25<Zimsky>words are hard
20:25<Zimsky>milly oh milly
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