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00:34<Zimsky>I'd just like to let everyone know that JamesTK is a very smart person
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00:57<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • My site hosted on Linode is going down frequently. Help me diagnose? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14777&p=73415#p73415>
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01:05<yash>hi
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01:06<yash>i have install php pgsql extension and its showing successful installed but noy loaded in php moudle. not showing in php -m or in info.php
01:07<yash>i am using redhat 7
01:07<yash>php55w
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01:48<WhiteDigital>Hello - anyone there?
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01:52<csnxs>perhaps
01:52<csnxs>!ask
01:52<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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02:12<WhiteDigital>Had a server shut down and then re-created. Can Linode re-use the old server IP address for the new one?
02:13<WhiteDigital>Server shut down and re-creation were within 24 hours of eachother. Pretty sure I've read that Linode hold them for 7 days so technically the old one could be used again.
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02:20<Peng>WhiteDigital: You can file a ticket and ask. I don't know if they'll be able to do it.
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02:25<WhiteDigital>Where do I go to file a ticket? Thanks for your help!
02:25<Peng>https://manager.linode.com/support or so
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02:34<ajitekno>hello
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02:40<KyleJ>Hi Guys, does Linode have reseller accounts?
02:40<grawity>nope
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02:45<KyleJ>Cool thanks
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02:53*dcraig tickles grawity around a bit with a large clownfish
02:53<dcraig>I'll sell you a linode
02:54<FluffyFoxeh>I'll sell you a bridge
02:55<dcraig>thx, I'm so into bridges
02:55<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: oh get over it.
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03:16<silver>hi, i need to run some data mining scripts on a server, which location has got the highest bandwidth ?
03:17<nate>they all have the same, your total network throughput is dependent on the package level, which can be seen on the pricing page
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03:17<silver>nate: it says 1000 Mbps Network Out i need IN
03:18<silver>sorry, it says, 40 Gbps Network In but the speed is not close to that
03:18<silver>40 Gbps would mean 5 GB/s but i am getting around 2 MB/s
03:18<grawity>2 MB/s from where to where?
03:19<silver>grawity: this script downloads content from various different websites (1000s of them) and then analyses the html
03:20<FluffyFoxeh>doubt you'll find many sites that'll serve you at 40Gbit lol
03:20<silver>its a multithreaded python script running about 40 threads, inside the script i calculated speed as total_downloaded_bytes / ..... etc and it comes close to 2 megabytes/seconds
03:20<grawity>the network interface speed isn't the same as Internet access speed
03:20<grawity>but I'm getting a good 50 Mbps just from OVH to London
03:20<silver>grawity: which one is slower ?
03:20<nate>silver: Webservers are gonna throttle the hell out of you
03:21<FluffyFoxeh>And even if they don't nobody has uplinks like that
03:21<nate>as FluffyFoxeh said, extremely unlikely you're going to find any servers that will let you literally pull 40Gbit from them
03:21<nate>that too yeah
03:21<silver>nate: i am aware of that, in that case, increasing the number of threads, should increase b/w usage, but the b/w usage does not go any higher than 2MB/s
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03:21<silver>i fetch 40 different urls (different sites) at a time
03:22<silver>okay, let me try increasing the number of threads to 50
03:22<nate>No? they're generally going to throttle by specific connection, not number of connections. Also keep in mind if you're on a $5 linode, chances are the hardware isn't going to be close to enough to properly handle 40Gbit inbound pretty certain
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03:22<grawity>you'll also have different results with lots of tiny requests than large sustained downloads
03:22<FluffyFoxeh>Dunno if 50 threads on a python script is going to get you anywhere fast
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03:23<FluffyFoxeh>There's a GIL
03:23<nate>^ if anything due to the fact most places will throttle by IP rather than connections, you're just going to get a bunch of slow individual connections instead of one semi-fast one
03:23<silver>grawity: exactly, there is some overhead involved
03:23<nate>assuming you don't get yourself auto-blocked too
03:23<silver>nate: these are not separate connections to same site, i am connecting to 40 different sites at a time
03:23<Zimsky>you might get in some DNSBLs
03:23<Zimsky>see if you can set a new record
03:23<silver>Zimsky: why would i get into dnsbls ?
03:23<grawity>try `wget http://ovh.net/files/1Gio.dat -O/dev/null` to test external connections, or same with https://www.linode.com/speedtest for internal ones
03:24<Zimsky>silver: crawling.
03:24<grawity>I do hope your script honors robots.txt though
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03:24<Zimsky>grawity: what if the script identifies as a duck and not a robot
03:24<silver>grawity: not right now, its kinds of brutal crawling
03:24<nate>yeah I feel like you're just gonna end up getting your linode IP nuked in a blacklist somewhere lol
03:24<FluffyFoxeh>Screw robots.txt :p
03:24<Zimsky>ducks.txt
03:24<Zimsky>let's go
03:24<Zimsky>RFC time
03:24<FluffyFoxeh>I only answer to foxes.txt
03:25<grawity>tell me your IP address so I can firewall you away from my websites >_>
03:25<Zimsky>I'll submit an extension to http/2 requiring that every server respond with information about ducks when requested
03:25<Zimsky>to be rfc-compliant
03:25<Zimsky>grawity++
03:25<FluffyFoxeh>you are now subscribed to duck facts. permanently. on every website.
03:25<grawity>Zimsky: is your web server RFC 7168 compliant?
03:26<Zimsky>hhaahahahahahhahaha
03:26<silver>grawity: thanks for this, i never knew my linode was so fast, the wget method shows 25.0 MB/s which is really cool
03:26<Zimsky>grawity: no
03:26<Zimsky>I don't like coffee
03:26<FluffyFoxeh>grawity: ayyyy
03:26<Zimsky>grawity: I implemented RFC1149 though
03:27<FluffyFoxeh>1149 is my favourite
03:27<grawity>frog.tips is my favourite
03:28<FluffyFoxeh>hahahaha what the hell is this
03:28<silver>no, it seems like the speed when downloading over multiple short connections, cannot be pulled over 2 MB/s, i tried increasing thread count it did not help
03:28<Zimsky>does anyone ever run QOTD servers any more
03:29<Zimsky>silver: shame that QUIC isn't commonplace
03:29<grawity>Zimsky: HTTP/2.0 and TLS 1.3 should come close
03:30<grawity>silver: does your script at least implement persistent connections?
03:30<Zimsky>grawity: except for the integral part that they aren't over UDP
03:30<grawity>Zimsky: how's that integral?
03:30<FluffyFoxeh>screw http2. No telnet
03:30<FluffyFoxeh>:v
03:30<Zimsky>grawity: QUIC := "Quick UDP Internet Connections"
03:31<grawity>Zimsky: in which way is the "UDP" part useful
03:31<Zimsky>I'm not saying it is
03:31<silver>grawity: no, not using http alive, there are 5000 sites, what my script does it, it picks first 40 sites, pulls 1 page from each, then next 40 sites, pulls 1 page from each like that
03:31<silver>alive connections will difinitely give a good boost
03:31<Zimsky>grawity: I'm speaking for as far as the definition itself is concerned
03:33<grawity>silver: so you're limited by things like latency, TCP's slow start, and 40 * tiny index.html = still not a lot
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03:33<silver>yup
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03:33<silver>now i am thinking of using requests.session for persistent http
03:33<Zimsky>actually, there's a reason in support of QUIC's UDP usefulness
03:33<Zimsky>thanks grawity
03:34<grawity>Zimsky: how does QUIC's congestion control behave?
03:34<silver>if i open a connection to a site, and request 1 url every 2 seconds, what are the chances of getting throttled/banned ?
03:35<silver>i can increase the delay window
03:36<Zimsky>grawity: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamilton-early-deployment-quic-00
03:36<grawity>I dunno; that seems fine, but I've seen bots re-request the same URL every few seconds for an eternity
03:37<Zimsky>oh I see your point now, grawity
03:37<Zimsky>you were hiding behind games
03:37<grawity>if you get error 420 or 429 or such, you *should* back off for a while
03:37<Zimsky>yes, CC is the same as TCP's
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03:37<Zimsky>so it's not exactly superior
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03:38<grawity>it's probably more flexible in the sense that you're not limited to what the OS provides
03:38<Zimsky>originally that wasn't really my point though, in terms of efficiency
03:38<grawity>(even if the OS provides many options, not just Cubic)
03:38<grawity>that's also the reason µTP exists for BitTorrent
03:38<Zimsky>it was more about utilising peoples' ignorance in filtering UDP
03:39<Zimsky>or rather, projected ignorance
03:39<grawity>silver: also Python has urllib.robotparser in stdlib, so consider using that
03:40<silver>sure
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05:18<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • My site hosted on Linode is going down frequently. Help me diagnose? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14777&p=73416#p73416>
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05:50<russ_>Hi I am with rackspace at the moment rails nginx passenger thinking of moving to AWS EC 2 or linode any thoughts?
05:51<kyhwana>sure, why not
05:51<russ_>how about email hosting that is with backspace at the moment it also needs to move
05:52<kyhwana>linode doesn't provide any kind of "hosting" like that, you get a linux box with root access on it. It's up to you run all that stuff
05:53<russ_>do you recommend anyone or should I google
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05:56<Highfield>hello
05:56<russ_>also what sort of support should I expect from linode with any migration
05:57<russ_>from rackspace
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05:57<internat>none. unless you pay for managed services
05:57<Meyer_>or professional services
06:00<russ_>Oh yes so how do I find out about professional one off services & how much it costs etc
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06:44<dzho>well, hanging around for more than a few minutes is one way ...
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08:01<lovejit>Hello all
08:02<lovejit>Is anybody avialble?
08:05<ponas>yes
08:06<lovejit>I want to know how can we reset the password of the Server?
08:07<ponas>you can follow this guide to reset the root password: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#resetting-the-root-password
08:07<lovejit>and while doing this can there be any issue of loing file?
08:08<lovejit>losing any file or DB*
08:09<ponas>probably not
08:10<lovejit>linode will shut down the Server
08:10<ponas>consider making backups if losing files is a concern of yours :-)
08:10<ponas>yup
08:10<lovejit>that's why im scared of doing this
08:11<lovejit>if i will be enabling back-up
08:12<DrJ>if you don't have backups then you obviously don't care about your data
08:12<DrJ>so not sure why you are worried
08:12<lovejit>i havn't enabled the back-ups
08:13<ponas>I think it's reasonable to assume that the root password reset thing is written in such a way that it doesn't delete your files and databases
08:14<lovejit>yes it is but it will shut down your Server
08:15<ponas>yes, it needs to mount the filesystem to edit the password file
08:15<ponas>that can't happen while the server is running
08:16<lovejit>i just wanna reset my root pass
08:17<ponas>do you know the current one?
08:18<Woet>lovejit: you mentioned that, and you were linked the guide to do so
08:18<Woet>[14:07:48] <ponas> you can follow this guide to reset the root password: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#resetting-the-root-password
08:18<Woet>why are you asking again?
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09:39<linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • хапчета за уголемяване на пениса amazon <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14778&p=73417#p73417>
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11:01<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:01<threex5>heh
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11:02<nerijus>hi
11:03<nerijus>I see there are API errors for
11:03<nerijus>14: API rate limit exceeded
11:04<nerijus>40: Limit of Linodes added per hour reached
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11:04<nerijus>What are current limit levels?
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11:06<Cromulent>nerijus: not sure - send an email to support to ask would be my advice
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11:08<nerijus>will do, thought maybe there's someone from support here :)
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11:09<Eliz>nerijus: there is, but they'll still ask you to send a support ticket
11:09<Eliz>nerijus: because then they get confirmation you're an account owner, etc
11:09<Bootin>Which CPU's linode use most in new locations?
11:10<Eliz>Bootin: hard to say because you could land on newer hardware or older hardware
11:10<Bootin>Xeon E-3 or E-5
11:10<Meyer_>I've never seen any Xeon E3's on Linode
11:10<Bootin>Any1 used linode for Video Transcoding?
11:11<Bootin>wowza server recommended hardware: : Dual Quad-Core or a single Hex-Core, 3.00 GHz or better RAM: 16-32GB
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11:11<nerijus>Eliz: We are not yet Linode customers, just looking for cloud provider at the moment
11:12<Bootin>seem very simple to reach with linode
11:12<Meyer_>Bootin: Most CPU's I see are E5-2680 v3 or E5-2680 v2
11:12<Eliz>nerijus: ah, regardless, sending in an email is your best bet
11:12<Meyer_>On Linode that is
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11:12<Eliz>nerijus: I believe the 40: Limit of Linodes added per hour is account-specific, for example
11:13<Eliz>Bootin: if you're going to be doing transcoding, honestly, you're probably better off with your own dedicated hardware
11:14<Bootin>why? you know problems?
11:15<nerijus>Eliz: Thanks, will send the email to them, just wondered what linode creation limit might be, few, few tens or few hundreds per hour
11:15<Eliz>Bootin: well, if you hammer the hardware constantly, you're a bad neighbor to other guests
11:15<Eliz>nerijus: iirc, it's a mixture of on-time-payment/account age/other things
11:16<ponas>Bootin: if you do a lot of transcoding you'll break the TOS: Prohibited usage: Misuse of System Resources: Intentional misuse of system resources, including but not limited to employing programs that consume excessive network capacity, CPU cycles, or disk IO.
11:17<Bootin>ah okay
11:17<Meyer_>nerijus: I've reached some limits and Linode has always been able to increase them for me
11:17<Bootin>Then I would by a bigger package
11:18<Meyer_>nerijus: I have however not reached the created linodes per hour limit but my guess is that it can be increased too if needed
11:18<Bootin>more power - less time high CPU usage
11:18<Peng>Bootin: Linode has newer CPU models than what Meyer_ mentioned, but perhaps not al ot of them yet.
11:18<Peng>not a lot*
11:19<Peng>Bootin: Like how much transcoding are you going to be doing? How much CPU usage?
11:20<nerijus>Meyer: I do understand that, but if the limit is set at 20-50 nodes per hour, I doubt they will increase it to 1000
11:20<react>if you're doing transcoding and have TOS concerns, I recommend you talk to Linode, I'm sure if your workload is large (and lucrative) enough, they will happily take that workload (and your money)
11:20<Meyer_>nerijus: I would believe they would increase it to 1000 if you need to create that many Linodes
11:21<Meyer_>nerijus: But the best suggestion is to reach out to Linode and ask them about your specific use case and see if they can help you out
11:21<Peng>Meyer_: If you're a new customer? I dunno. If you've been around a while and your cheques don't bounce, sure, i guess.
11:22<Meyer_>Peng: I would think that they will be able to come to some kind of arrangement
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11:23<Meyer_>Peng: And if I recall the default billing limit is $50 or so. So the card would be charged quite quickly anyway
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11:23<react>many transcoding workloads tend to be very intermittent, I would pick a cloud infrastructure (GCP or AWS) that supports preemptible VMs, you can save rather significantly in a lot of cases
11:24<Meyer_>Peng: That limit can of course be increased too
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12:32<Guest1735>I'd like to be able to send transactional (a.k.a. "triggered") email from my VPS. This is for user signup confirmations and the like. What's the least painful way of doing this?
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12:32<Guest1735>or from my linode, I guess it's not a "VPS".
12:33<Meyer_>Guest1735: I like to use something like Sendgrid for that kind of purposes
12:33<Guest1735>I noticed that there isn't a guide for this. I don't actually want to set up a full blown mail server. Basically I just need to send outgoing mail for user transactional purposes (signup confirmation, forgot password, etc.)
12:34<Guest1735>Thanks Meyer_, but I was hoping to be able to do it from my linode.
12:34<Meyer_>Guest1735: You can just install postfix on it I guess
12:35<Guest1735>My worry is that it will be flagged as spam, etc.
12:35<Guest1735>Is it possible to use gmail's outgoing servers or something like that?
12:35<Guest1735>(incorrectly flagged as spam)
12:35<Meyer_>Guest1735: I guess that can work too. Otherwise you could set up SPF and DKIM signing and so on on your linode
12:36<Meyer_>Guest1735: In my experience something like sendgrid works best
12:37<Guest1735>okay, cool
12:37<Guest1735>thanks
12:37<Guest1735>I'll check it out.
12:38<Guest1735>If I were to send it from my linode, would I need postfix? Wouldn't sendmail just do the job? Or am I confused?
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12:40<lovejit>how to increase your server disk size?
12:41<dzho>postfix and sendmail can both act as MTA's (mail transfer agents)
12:41<dzho>usually you'd want a mail user agent to help you compose the message and pass it along to your MTA
12:42<relidy>lovejit: You currently will need to pick a larger plan to get more disk space.
12:42<relidy>We are told there is a block storage feature in the works to solve this in the future.
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12:45<atrus>Guest1735: if you don't want to run a real mail server (and I know I don't), you could purchase such a service from someone else, and have your linode send mail via that service (maybe by a very very simple MTA like ssmtp)
12:45<Eugene>I like SendGrid
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12:47<Byrro>Hi, is there an SLA for the managed services on Linode?
12:48<Guest1735>Thanks everyone for your help.
12:48<Guest1735>The mail user agent is usually just a library to setup the email, headers, etc., no?
12:48<Guest1735>Or is it something else?
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12:49<zifnab>Byrro: probably best to ask support@linode or open a ticket
12:50<atrus>Guest1735: library and/or client software. the "mail" command can be a mua, or mutt, or thunderbird, or you can use a (for eg) python library to make an mua.
12:50<Byrro>Fine, thanks. I was wondering if there was a PDF file or any public URL detailing it
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12:52<Guest1735>cool, thank you
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13:21<luv>want to increase my disk space
13:21<zifnab>buy a bigger linode
13:22<luv>if i want to transfer all data from one server to another
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13:23<Peng>You can.
13:23<Peng>However, if you resize your Linode to a larger plan, it won't wipe your data.
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14:03<adithyau>anyone from linode here ?
14:03<adithyau>need some urgent help
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14:05<linbot>adithyau: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
14:06*csnxs gives linbot a doggy treat
14:07<atian>adithyau yes i am not from linode, but i can help
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15:14<Brandon_>Hello, I understand a chip burned out in one of the california servers?
15:16<dwfreed>we wouldn't really know anything about that
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15:28<csnxs>mcintosh put his doritos on one of the servers
15:39<synfinatic>sounds like fun. Can't possibly be as dramatic as the time our Sun E5K CPU burnt through the motherboard, landed on the heat sink of the CPU below it and generated enough smoke that our "datacenter provider" (ie: a local ISP) called the fire department who were within seconds of opening it up with a fire axe and dousing the $350K computer with the firehose before we got there to pull the plug. Good times
15:39<synfinatic>well at least I sure hope it wasn't that dramatic :)
15:48<zifnab>I lost a powervr server once
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15:48<zifnab>It ran the datacenters dns
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15:50<zifnab>I was in the process
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16:45<matt___>hi
16:46<matt___>I'm interested in using freebsd with linode
16:46<matt___>I know it's not officially supported
16:47<matt___>so I can't use the automated backups
16:47<matt___>and ask for help to anything bsd related
16:47<matt___>but I want to know if it's possible to manually trigger snapshots
16:48<matt___>o maybe create a cronjob to trigger those automatically
16:49<relidy>matt___: You can initiate a manual snapshot from the manager. Not sure how that will play with FreeBSD. It sounds like you acknowledge issues with the Backup Service, and if that's the case, this probably won't work either.
16:51<matt___>you mean I may not be able to use the snapshot?
16:52<matt___>( the generated image )
16:52<matt___>and restore from it
16:53<relidy>matt___: All I'm saying is you said "so I can't use the automated backups", and if that the case because of technical reasons (unsupported filesystem or something), the manual snapshot process probably won't work either.
16:53<relidy>But if you are paying to use the Backup Service, you can take a manual snapshot from the Backups tab.
16:54<relidy>I'm pretty sure there are some here in the channel that use FreeBSD. Hopefully one of them will speak up if they see your question
16:55<matt___>what I was trying to said if the limitation with backups for the freebsd os is just not being able to run automated backups or not being able to do any snapshoting and restore at all
16:55<dwfreed>it's all the same thing, as far as implementation goes
16:56<dwfreed>and as far as I know, the Linode Backup Service only supports filesystems of the types you can create from the Linode Manager; it can technically back up a couple other filesystems supported under Linux, but UFS and ZFS are very likely not supported
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16:59<matt___>ok, so if UFS / ZFS is not supportes I'm guessing the is no way workaround to having snapshots if the os is freebsd
17:00<dwfreed>nope
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17:04<matt___>may be freebsd so realibe that it's safe to not even have os snapshots? hehe
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17:04<@caker>or lob your backups to another FreeBSD Linode
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17:04<@caker>or any other Linode, or any other machine ...
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17:07<dwfreed>something something zfs send
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17:59<bradchoate>what's the recommended method for managing multiple linodecli config files? is it possible for them to be relative to a working project directory?
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18:10<MinhVN>Hi guys
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18:10<MinhVN>any body in here?
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18:12<linbot>MinhVN: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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18:18<Eugene>Backups service ought to support ZFS. Ubuntu has it now. </not-actually-trolling-please-to-add-NTFS-support-too>
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18:27<zifnab>backup service should support block-level backups
18:27<zifnab>problem solved :P
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18:32<bradchoate>(found the '-u' switch for the linode cli, which works for me)
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18:32<AlexMax>there are plenty of hosts that do support freebsd
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18:33<AlexMax>i think using those hosts is a wiser move than trying to cram an unsupported operating system onto a VPS host
18:33<AlexMax>for what purpose?
18:33<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - London <https://status.linode.com/incidents/36hqzg5f8vvb>
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18:36<dwfreed>bradchoate: I was going to mention that, but got distracted by other stuff, sorry
18:37<dwfreed>it'll then use $HOME/.linodecli/config_<that param> as the config file
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19:10<bradchoate>how can linode charge so little for 1024 instances and bandwidth? especially the way bandwidth is pooled per account. i can get an effective bandwidth rate of $0.005/GB by paying $5/month for a linode1024. compare that to "cheap" CDN services that charge $0.04/GB
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19:12<bradchoate>linode bandwidth pool overages are $0.02/GB... can you just provision me another linode1024 automatically? :)
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19:23<synfinatic>well a cdn is going to have more endpoints. i'm not aware of an autoprovision, but wouldn't be too hard to use their API to do that
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19:32<bradchoate>i'm setting up a new service an to offset costs of s3 transfer ($0.09/GB), i'm using a single linode instance that will run varnish and serve as a middle-cache and cloudflare will be in front of that.
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19:32<bradchoate>*and to offset
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20:15<Eugene>CDNs are offering a lot more than a single VPS in a corner somewhere. Typically you get the ability to autoscale all the way to the moon, "DoS protection", and other features that you would need to implement from-scratch yourself
20:16<Eugene>If you are actually in the petabyte-scale content serving business you will be negotiating a much lower rate from a major CDN
20:25<Peng>Even S3 and CloudFront are somewhat cheaper at that scale
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22:19<zifnab>Hardware with network is cheap. Writing a good CDN software is not.
22:20<zifnab>A 10gbit line in Seattle is around 1k/mo. That's 10PB of traffic (ish I'm rounding)
22:20<zifnab>But that's one upstream in one datacenter
22:27<Eliz>Eugene: even really several-TB range you can get the rates down with popular CDNs
22:27<Eliz>(50 ish)
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23:09<alexf>So I'm using vim on Mac. I want to yank a block of text, close vim and open a new file, and paste. The internet keeps telling me to set clipboard=unnamed, but that is not doing it. Any tips?
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23:14<alexf>vim --version | grep clipboard:q
23:15<alexf>whoops
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23:17<alexf>I solved from http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip687 by mapping F keys to !pbcopy
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23:20<dwfreed>alexf: are you editing the second file in vim?
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23:20<alexf>I am, but I found that the buffer did not persist.
23:21<alexf>Maybe because of what I had messed with before reading that it "should" work that way.
23:21<dwfreed>I would have just done the yank, then :e the/new/file
23:22<dwfreed>no need to close vim, then the clipboard persists
23:22<alexf>interesting
23:25<alexf>dwfreed: If I :e to a new file, can I close that file and go back to the previous file without :quitting?
23:25<dwfreed>yeah, :prev should work, iirc
23:25*dwfreed tests
23:26<dwfreed>ah, you just :e again, nevermind
23:26<dwfreed>so vim somefile, :e newfile, :e somefile
23:26<alexf>That may work. Thanks
23:26<alexf>!points dwfreed
23:26<dwfreed>point
23:26<alexf>fuck, I never get that right
23:26<alexf>!point dwfreed
23:26<linbot>alexf: Point given to dwfreed. (14)
23:26<dwfreed>throw a w in front to write your changes before switching files
23:27<dwfreed>eg :we newfile
23:27<alexf>Years of watching @mignight has "POINTS!" always in my brain
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23:36<Hola>Hola¿
23:37<Hola>Hello?
23:37<millisa>greetings
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23:37<Hola>I have a question?
23:37<kyhwana>indeed?
23:37<Hola>It's a for production or develop the plains?
23:37<millisa>!ask
23:37<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
23:38<alexf>dwfreed: what about a nav panel to the left, is that built into vim?
23:42<dwfreed>alexf: most vim installations come with netrw, which is a plugin that provides a file list when you "open" a directory (which most people only discover by accident); you could do a vertical split with netrw on the left
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23:43<alexf>dwfreed: but in that scenario I couldn't click on the file on the left and expect it to open to the right, can I?
23:43<dwfreed>I don't think quite that simply, but iirc, netrw does have a command for opening the file under the cursor in a split
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23:44<dwfreed>I suppose you could probably map the click event to that
23:44<alexf>netwr is treating my docs dir strangely. Some md files end in * and are sorted above others.
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23:49<dwfreed>alexf: they're marked executable
23:54<alexf>well that ain't right!
23:55<alexf>But it's a great reason to try out this git command I wanna use, that lets you run a cli operation on a batch of files without affecting the blame
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