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00:03<alexf>https://git-scm.com/docs/git-filter-branch
00:07<dwfreed>alexf: note that rewriting history (what filter-branch does) requires force pushing, and subsequently force pulling by recipients, and is not very nice
00:09<alexf>Sorry, it's after midnight and someone fed me.
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00:47<@mcintosh>csnxs: well... I do like doritos
00:47<arlen>what flavor?
00:48<@mcintosh>only nacho cheese
00:48<@mcintosh>the rest are gross
00:50*arlen high fives mcintosh
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03:24<russ_>just signing up why preload my account with a payment why not just take payment at the end of the mont
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03:28<russ_>just signing up why preload my account with a payment why not just take payment at the end of the month
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03:39<levlaz>russ_ its to prevent fraud and abuse. If you are unahppy with the service you can request a refund. If you decide to cancel your account you can also get a refund of the remaining balance.
03:41<dwfreed>levlaz: they're already gone
03:42<levlaz>dwfreed: oops -- I have join/quit filtered lol
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04:04<arlen>!point levlaz
04:04<linbot>arlen: Point given to levlaz. (1)
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05:36<jstitt>howdy all
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06:07<arvind>hi
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06:18<Rider>hello
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06:18<Rider>I just read your bolg for the Linode
06:19<Rider>and very excited to it
06:19<Rider>May I ask you some questions?
06:19<Woet>Rider: You don't have to ask to ask, look for experts, or state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?", "Can anyone help?" or "Anyone use [...]?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
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06:20<Rider>Okay, cool
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06:20<arvind>hi can any one hep me with additional resource price in linode
06:20<Woet>arvind: You don't have to ask to ask, look for experts, or state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?", "Can anyone help?" or "Anyone use [...]?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
06:21<Rider>where can I find the db on the linode server?
06:21<Woet>Rider: wherever you installed it
06:22<Rider>where should i install it?
06:22<Woet>Rider: depends on the DB, they all have their own defaults that are pretty sensible.
06:22<Woet>Rider: for example, MySQL stores it in /var/lib/mysql
06:23<Rider>okay, i see
06:23<Rider>btw, can I see the mysql dashboard from the linode server?
06:23<Woet>what is the "mysql dashboard"?
06:24<Rider>i mean how can i manage the mysql db on the linode server
06:24<Woet>by using one of the many MySQL clients.
06:24<Woet>you realise Linode is just a Linux VPS right? its the same everywhere.
06:25<Rider>yup
06:25<Rider>i realised Linode is just Linux VPS
06:26<Rider>but I can't find out the DB on the Linode server that installed already by someone
06:26<Rider>but I can't find out the DB on the Linode server that is installed already by someone
06:26<Woet>how are you looking for it?
06:28<Rider>as you know, the other server supports the capability to manage the DB intiutively
06:28<Rider>but i didn't find such functionality on the Linode server yet
06:29<Rider>I think it would be on the somewhere of the server
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06:29<Woet>no idea what you're talking about
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06:29<kalne>do U sell ipv6 \48 or \32 ?
06:29<Rider>what do you mean?
06:29<Woet>kalne: have you tried googling "linode ipv6", perhaps?
06:30<kalne>no
06:30<Rider>i didn't yet
06:30<grawity>you should try
06:30<Woet>kalne: might be a good idea
06:30<grawity>kalne: Linode can route up to a /56 to your linode
06:30<Rider>how can i try it?
06:30<Woet>kalne: it'd show you things like https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking
06:30<Woet>Rider: no one is talking to you
06:30<kalne>thanks
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06:31<Rider>hi, woet
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06:32<Rider>Where is the Linode DB?
06:32<Woet>...
06:32<Zimsky>inside the linode
06:32<Woet>lol
06:32<Zimsky>the wires are inside!
06:32<Zimsky>Woet the poet
06:33<ponas>Rider: sounds like you might want to set up something like phpmyadmin if your database is mysql or mariadb
06:33<Zimsky>^ ignore that
06:33<Zimsky>phpmyadmin will actually give you ebola
06:33<ponas>never gave me any ebola
06:33<Zimsky>it takes a while to present itself
06:33<Rider>Ponas: thanks for your reply
06:33<Rider>yes, it is similar
06:34<ponas>Rider: at least "capability to manage the DB intiutively" sounds like phpmyadmin
06:34<ponas>there are also desktop apps that does the same
06:34<Zimsky>you should take the time to learn the functionality of those databases and manage them directly
06:34<Rider>it is okay for now lol
06:34<Zimsky>which will help you diagnose issues down the track
06:35<Rider>Ponas: right now it has already installed the database on the Linode server
06:35<Rider>by previous developer
06:35<ponas>Zimsky: playing around in phpmyadmin actually made me learn the functionality enough to manage them without it :-)
06:35<Rider>So I am going to checking it myself
06:35<Rider>But I am new on this Linode server
06:35<Zimsky>ponas: whatever floats your kayak
06:36<Rider>i'd like to go to the phpadmin page from the Linode server dashboard
06:36<Woet>Rider: thats not how it works
06:36<Woet>Rider: the linode dashboard does not touch your VPS
06:36<Zimsky>well
06:36<Woet>Rider: login with SSH
06:36<Zimsky>not in the way you want it to
06:37<Woet>Rider: again, just like any other Linux server - theres nothing special about this "Linode server"
06:37<Rider>So you mean I can't go to the phpadmin from the Linode server dashboard?
06:37<Zimsky>indeed
06:37<Woet>Rider: correct.
06:37<Rider>I am a little confused now
06:37<Woet>Rider: again, it's a Linux VPS - it's not shared hosting.
06:37<Woet>Rider: you said you understood.
06:38<arlen>this isn't hostgator
06:38<arlen>it's better
06:38<grawity>you're not calling a taxi; you're renting the whole car
06:38<Rider>A little better now
06:38<grawity>...why do I keep going back to car analogies
06:39<arlen>cause they work
06:39<Rider>Originally I thought the Linode server is just CPanel
06:39<Rider>am i wrong?
06:39<arlen>yes
06:39<Woet>Rider: no, it's a Linux VPS - as I mentioned about 5 times now
06:39<Woet>[12:25:28] <Rider> i realised Linode is just Linux VPS
06:39<Rider>Ahh, got it
06:39<grawity>it's a server in the same sense as buying an empty PC and installing Apache on it
06:40<Zimsky>ew apache
06:40<Rider>Okay, then from where can I go to the phpadmin which has just the Linode server?
06:41<arlen>wherever your SysAdmin installed it
06:41<arlen>ask them
06:41<Rider>could you please explain about more detail to me?
06:41<Zimsky>Rider: /you/ have to install it
06:42<Zimsky>https://www.phpmyadmin.net/
06:42<Woet>[12:36:53] <Woet> Rider: login with SSH
06:42<arlen>Rider: do you know what ssh is?
06:42<Rider>can i install it on the Linode?
06:42<ponas>Rider: https://www.linode.com/docs/databases/mysql/
06:42<Zimsky>y e s
06:42<Rider>okay, thank you
06:43<Rider>i will check it
06:43<Rider>i appreciate your hard help
06:43<Rider>Thank you!
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07:47<NGM>Hi Guys,
07:48<NGM>Has anyone in here noticed any issues in/around london datacenter connectivity issues today?
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08:04<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode VS. Dreamhost VPS <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8578&p=73418#p73418>
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08:18<hawk>NGM: Not that I noticed, not that this means much. The usual "mtr or it didn't happen" applies, I suppose
08:19<trykkeriet>Yay, I just won an "Emergency Maintenance" - does anyone know how long time I should wait for migration?
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08:21<hawk>trykkeriet: Congratulations
08:22<trykkeriet>hawk: thx, feeling lucky..
08:22<Zimsky>you win one free internet
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08:22<trykkeriet>Zimsky: for just today or all week?
08:22<Zimsky>1 hour
08:23<gt051317_>what is channel is alll about?
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08:26<daylight>whois
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08:35<daylight>whois
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08:35<daynight>whois
08:37<daynight>clear
08:39<daylight>OB
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08:44<trykkeriet>Emergency maintenance still going on, 45 minutes passed and I can't access the vm - I am so glad that my patience is appreciated.....
08:49<@jleal>trykkeriet: got a linode id for me?
08:50<trykkeriet>jleal: I can pm you the info
08:50<@jleal>kk
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09:02<Nevertrustedyou>li242-166.members.linode.com
09:02<Nevertrustedyou>What's up
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09:03<Nevertrustedyou>What's wrong buttercup
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09:04<Nevertrustedyou>So
09:04<Nevertrustedyou>Anyone home
09:05<@nbrewer>...what are you asking?
09:05<Nevertrustedyou>Take pictures to remember
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09:05<Nevertrustedyou>li242-166.members.linode.com
09:05<@nbrewer>that isn't a question
09:06<Nevertrustedyou>Well maybe you can help
09:06<Nevertrustedyou>li242-166.members.linode.com Whys is connected to me
09:07<Nevertrustedyou>Zzzzzzzzz
09:07<@nbrewer>we sell virtual servers. we wouldn't know why a specific machine is connecting to you.
09:07<Nevertrustedyou>Well my identity been tooking did start here
09:08<Nevertrustedyou>What would I possibly do
09:09<Nevertrustedyou>My identity been tooking for sometime just wondering
09:09<@nbrewer>yeah we wouldn't know anything about that we're a hosting company.
09:10<Nevertrustedyou>Hosting my identity nice sell it to who
09:10<Nevertrustedyou>Hosting what
09:10<daylight>/query/clear
09:11<Nevertrustedyou> My account my number been change with out my authorization
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09:11<daylight>can anyone hel me why this channel is for?
09:12<daylight>*help
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09:12<@nbrewer>this is a channel for community discussion
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09:12<daylight>ok great
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09:16<@nbrewer>daylight: if you have any questions, you can always ask them here. but anything account-specific will need to be handled through a support ticket.
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09:19<daylight>i am new to this how is actually works?
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09:21<Whyouhamguponme>What's all the accouts to the right of me
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09:23<@nbrewer>daylight: you might need to be a little more specific - do you mean using a Linux server in general? or just Linode?
09:24<daylight>just linode
09:24<@nbrewer>ok, this is probably the best place to start: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
09:25<@nbrewer>the first couple of sections go over all the Linode Manager stuff to deploy a Linode.
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09:29<daylight>ok thank you
09:29<daylight>You guys actually provide the server for hosting?
09:30<@nbrewer>daylight: yes - we let you deploy virtualized Linux servers.
09:30<daylight>ok i got it Thank you!
09:31<@nbrewer>happy to help :)
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09:50<FluffyFoxeh>if you're strong, you can fly. you can reach the other side of the rainbooooow
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10:15<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • About Transferring Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14779&p=73419#p73419>
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10:52<csnxs>nice
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10:52<csnxs>I sent an abuse report to DO, and started getting some DO newsletter thing in my inbox
10:53<@jleal>classy
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11:16<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:18<csnxs>impossible.
11:18<csnxs>prove it.
11:18<MajObviousman>he does. Every day.
11:18<MajObviousman>well, almost
11:21<ponas>I grepped my logs once and it almost checked out
11:22<ponas>Eugene made the argument that he's Linodin' even if he doesn't let us know every day, which seems reasonable
11:22<Eugene>You did not account for UTC vs Pacific time zones
11:23<Eugene>Occasionally I do my Linodin' in the evenings instead
11:24<@abrining>linbot praise Eugene for his Linodin'
11:24*linbot dispenses a gold star to Eugene for his Linodin'
11:26<ponas>do gold stars convert to points?
11:26<uther>or credit?
11:28<tharkun>Good $DAY where is the rdns set up for the linode. I am unable to find it.
11:28<@abrining>ponas uther unfortunately, both of those are a no
11:28<uther>:|
11:28<ponas>tharkun: I googled it for you: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/setting-reverse-dns
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11:33<tharkun>ponas: Thanks you made me feel really stupid but then I asked for it myself :)
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11:34<csnxs>linbot lick Eugene for his Lindoin'
11:34<linbot>csnxs: Point given to eugene. (21)
11:34<synfinatic>shoulda used this link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linode+reverse+dns :)
11:35<ponas>lmgtfy is so much more passive aggressive tho
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11:36<synfinatic>sure, but if you're going to be passive/aggressive, just go all in :)
11:37<ponas>fair point
11:37<synfinatic>not that I should be trying to dissuade you from taking the high road.
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11:38<synfinatic>or mid-road for that matter
11:38<ponas>http://lmlmgtfytfy.com/?q=linode+reverse+dns
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11:38<tharkun>ponas: adding insure to injury :)
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11:38<tharkun>injure
11:39<tharkun>Whatever
11:39<synfinatic>i dunno what I'm trying to say. i think I just find lmgtfy far too amusing after all these years and I've got the mental capacity of a 12 year old
11:39<Woet>there shouldnt be a need for it
11:39<tharkun>adding insult to injury? Is that the correct way?
11:39<Woet>i cant comprehend why people wouldnt google things
11:40<Eugene>Its too hard
11:40<Eugene>You have to think up relevant phrases and then browse through a list of possible answers
11:41<synfinatic>internet needs a driver license/point system. you ask a human a google question and you get a point. after so many points you only get direct access to google
11:41<Woet>Eugene: https://i.imgur.com/gnga8nJ.png
11:41<Woet>magic
11:41<synfinatic>lolz
11:43*tharkun believes his question will be on everybodies mouth today.
11:44<synfinatic>probably not. someone else will be around in ~45min with an even easier question
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11:53<root>Hi
11:53<root>Can I talk to an admin please?
11:53<root>or any person from the support team?
11:53<root>Thx
11:53<@jleal>Hello there, you shouldn't irc as root :)
11:53<@jleal>whats up
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11:53<Woet>thats why you ban *!~root@*
11:54<Woet>to force sense into people
11:54<@jleal>Woet: sneaky, sneaky
11:54<@jleal>:3
11:56<dwfreed>fun fact: root is not necessarily UID 0, and UID 0 is not necessarily root
11:56<synfinatic>also, it's easy to spoof "root" on irc
11:57<dwfreed>yep
11:57<@jleal>This Richard Oot character really makes a mess :p
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11:57<synfinatic>i'm not sure there are enough hours in the day to list all the problems with ident
11:58<dwfreed>those were simpler times
11:58<dwfreed>I still know a university that implements the FINGER protocol
11:58<synfinatic>kick'n it old skool
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11:59<synfinatic>do they still support gopher too?
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12:00<synfinatic>awe darn. i had money betting that root would make me forget tharkun's question :)
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12:04<synfinatic>so i realized last night that linkedin blocks web traffic from linode (well at least my linode). i'm trying to figure out if this is a "bug" or a "feature"
12:05<hawk>Bad neighbours/previous owner, maybe
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12:05<luv>im getting 503 error and varnish cache erorr
12:05<luv>i don't know what to do now
12:06<synfinatic>maybe... i've had this IP for over a year
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12:06<hawk>more likely bad neighbours in that case
12:06<luv>my apache2 isn't running as well
12:06<synfinatic>yeah. just semi-annoying since I tunnel most of my traffic from home out to my linode
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12:07<luv>got any idea guys
12:08<synfinatic>503 == service unavailable
12:08<luv>yes that's it
12:08<synfinatic>my guess is these two problems are related :)
12:08<synfinatic>try starting apache
12:08<luv>Varnish cache server
12:08<synfinatic>i'm assuming varnish is in front of apache
12:08<luv>its saying apache2: unrecognized service
12:08<synfinatic>what distro?
12:09<luv>Sorry?
12:09<synfinatic>try looking in /etc/init.d
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12:09<synfinatic>look for apache, apache2, httpd, etc
12:09<synfinatic>distro = linux distribution
12:09<Robin_Xu>Hello all, I am new here :-)
12:09<luv>httpd also not working
12:10<luv>its saying the exact error as apache2
12:10<synfinatic>luv well you need to figure out what the correct name for it is
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12:10<synfinatic>i have to guess since you're not telling me the distro :)
12:10<synfinatic>also, is apache installed? :)
12:10<luv>yes apache is intalled
12:10<synfinatic>so how did you start it last time?
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12:11<luv>linux distribution im not getting this point
12:11<luv>it was working yesterday
12:11<Robin_Xu>Is there anyone know about transferring Linode?
12:11<luv>i don't know what happened
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12:12<luv>how can i clear the varnish caches?
12:12<luv>and stop it
12:12<Robin_Xu>I mean, transfer one linode from an account to another...
12:13<synfinatic>Robin_Xu i have no idea if that is possible. you'd probably need help from support. i'd email them
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12:15<relidy>Robin_Xu: You need to open tickets on both accounts, referencing ... never mind
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12:25<csop09>Hi again
12:26<csop09>Can I talk to a support person please?
12:27<linbot>csop09: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
12:28<csop09>I mean its a private term not to be discussed on an IRC channel :P
12:30<Eugene>!ticket
12:30<linbot>Sounds like ticket time! Your problem will probably be solved much faster by submitting a support ticket, rather than hoping to catch an employee's attention here.
12:31<Eugene>This is the community; support questions are generally not answered here. The correct place is a ticket
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13:02<andy>does anyone know is PHP by default has caching ?
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13:20<nate>andy: PHP >= 5.4 has some native opcode caching if that's what you're asking for
13:20<nate>for things like more controlled RAM caching you would need to install redis/memcached/etc extensions to use those
13:21<andy>.
13:21<andy>nate : controlled RAM caching?
13:22<andy>i know php uses zend op cache for opcode but im wondering does it have an http accelerator too?
13:23<nate>andy: "http accelerator"? Context? My interpretation of that phrase has no connection to PHP whatsoever
13:24<nate>unless you're talking about stuff like gzip compression, which is far better handled by the httpd (and normally by default will be), not PHP
13:24<nate>same in the case of https w/ stuff like SPDY or HTTP/2, those are things handled by the httpd software, not PHP
13:24<andy>i see
13:24<nate>caching oriented stuff done in PHP are designed to provide efficiency for backend performance, not webbrowser
13:25<andy>so i would need to install redis or memcached if i want to cache the actual http pages?
13:25<nate>ie; opcode caching so full scripts aren't run every single request, memcached stuff for actively-called SQL queries, etc
13:26<nate>If you mean the 'rendered' page a PHP script would put out, you would probably want to yes, nginx and lighty can even be configured to directly serve a memcached 'page' that was saved by PHP (possibly apache too these days?)
13:26<nate>That all said, if you're having that many concerns about performance, perhaps it would be wise to hire a developer w/ some sysop knowledge in performance tuning :P
13:27<Cromulent>use php-fpm and FastCGI caching in Nginx
13:27<andy>the server is apache
13:27<Cromulent>shame
13:27<Cromulent>not sure if Apache has something similar
13:27<nate>apache will use php-fpm just as much, though will nginx do 'full' output caching easily?
13:28<nate>I didn't think it did
13:28<veecious>cromulent : apache servers dynamic pages with php-fpm / fastcgi at about the same rate as nginx
13:28<Cromulent>https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-fastcgi-caching-with-nginx-on-your-vps
13:29<andy>ok
13:29<nate>veecious: That... would kinda surprise me, unless apache has done some really serious magic, or the tests were done at dismal traffic emulation
13:29<andy>nate: im just trying to optimize as much as possible
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13:30<Cromulent>unfortunately I have to wait for ubuntu 18.04 to come out before I can enable HTTP/2
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13:31<veecious>nate : nginx does not have process dynamic content natively
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13:32<nate>veecious: Not really sure what you mean by that, nginx has a fcgi handler just as much as apache does, same with lighttpd, what notable extra steps exactly did you have to take to get fcgi working in nginx? o.O
13:34<veecious>nate : i'm saying it doesn't matter because most of the processing is spent in PHP's runtime environment and not the web server
13:36<veecious>check this article out you can actually duplicate the test without much effort
13:36<veecious>and you'll get the same results more or less
13:36<veecious>http://www.speedemy.com/apache-vs-nginx-2015/
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13:41<nate>veecious: no, actually I won't seeing as he didn't really give the explicit conditions of his tests, what he was testing against (was it a full software? a simple hello world script? etc?) I know apache improved some w/ 2.4, but even with 'properly configured' apache as he calls it, in my own experience (and that of what I've seen from others in here), in the long run and scaling of things, apache doesn't run the same :P
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13:43<nate>but I'll prob run some tests myself next time I get a chance to see what latest apache versions do
13:44<veecious>nate : I ran the same tests against my webserver a couple of months ago and found apache served dynamic pages *nearly as fast as Nginx. I too didn't believe it.
13:48<veecious>nate : tbh i don't know how much tweaking the parameters on the servers would change the output
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14:35<customkernel>anyone know if KVM uses EDAC (ECC)? I'm trying to figure out if there is any loss of functionality if it's not in my custom kernel. Looks like the linode kernels don't have it.
14:36<dwfreed>it wouldn't be exposed to you anyway
14:37<dwfreed>an ECC error in host RAM that affects your Linode will either kill your Linode or kill the host
14:37<dwfreed>(clarification: an uncorrectable* ECC error)
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14:41<customkernel>dwfreed: thanks!
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14:47<Eugene>Linode: apply directly to the forehead
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15:24<veecious>Some days i'm Linoding
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15:45<warewolf>every day I'm Linode'in
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17:09<linode_docs>hi!
17:10<linode_docs>i am wondering if there is a location I can find that talks about Linode's Security Compliance?
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17:10<kyhwana>linode_docs: it's on the website somewhere
17:11<linode_docs>lol yea. any places to go hunting?
17:11<kyhwana>try google?
17:11<@mquatrani>linode_docs: https://www.linode.com/tos
17:12<dwfreed>https://www.linode.com/compliance
17:13<dwfreed>most datacenters Linode uses are SAS70/SSAE16 certified (I forget which one's the old one, and which one's the new one, it's been a while)
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18:14<dzho>SSAE16 looks to be the newer
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18:21<Peng>You can tell it's better because the acronym is longer
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18:21<pushgfx>sales questions?
18:21<Peng>Hello. Maybe. :D
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18:22<Peng>This is primarily a community channel, but many sales questions can often be answered here.
18:22<pushgfx>I should probably just call
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18:22<MajObviousman>but then you'd have to (ew) speak to someone
18:23*Peng shudders
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21:19<Eugene>I am impressed by Canon printers. I bought a MF4880dw laser thingy in March of 2014. In June of 2016 it began whining about being low on tonier. But it took until today for it to actually run out.
21:19<Eugene>Inkjets can eat me
21:21<Eugene>I wonder if I will ever need to change the cartridge again
21:22<Eugene>or will it be obsoleted by no longer having a windows-compatible print driver first
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