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01:15<toblakor>who is admin?
01:16<millisa>!ask
01:16<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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01:56<computerquip>I feel like... firewalld is more in the way than it actually helps.
01:57<computerquip>For instance, I can't seem to find a clean way to block ipv6 traffic.
01:57<computerquip>I suck at server admin'ing I guess. :(
01:58<Cromulent>hmm not sure why you'd want to block IPv6?
01:58<Cromulent>anyway you can disable IPv6 system wide if you don't want to use it at all
01:59<computerquip>I want to block IPv6 since I can't use it. I've disabled it system wide but I think it'd be more appropriate to reject IPv6 traffic altogether.
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02:01<computerquip>I suppose I can just... add iptables rules directly.
02:01<Cromulent>just because you can't use it doesn't mean other people can't use it
02:01<Cromulent>my ISP doesn't support IPv6 but I still enable it on all my websites
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02:01<computerquip>I don't host public services.
02:01<Cromulent>ah OK
02:02<computerquip>The public services I do host are only public in the sense that I, and only I, need to access it remotely.
02:03<dwfreed>do you access them from a mobile device ever?
02:03<computerquip>dwfreed, herm... I do.
02:03<computerquip>Why?
02:03<dwfreed>then don't disable IPv6
02:04<dwfreed>because basically every mobile provider has moved or is moving to a network setup where IPv6 is the only first class citizen, and IPv4 is second class (various kinds of NAT)
02:05<computerquip>Herm... that's not a bad point.
02:06<computerquip>I wonder if OpenVPN can handle IPv6 and IPv4 simultaneously yet.
02:07<Eugene>Yup, 2.3+
02:07<computerquip>Oh? I'll have to look into that and change my setup then.
02:07<Eugene>firewalld is not bad, you just need to deal with it not being iptables.
02:08<Zimsky>you might find some 2.2.x versions with patches to IPv6ify it, but you're better off using 2.4
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02:08<Eugene>2.2 IPv6 was experimental, and not to be used heh
02:08<Eugene>It did work fine though
02:09<Zimsky>I didn't say it should be used
02:09<Zimsky>but perhaps there was a circumstance in which only 2.2 could be used in this situation
02:09<Zimsky>?
02:09<Zimsky>¿
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02:10<internat>one day ill learn ipv6
02:10<internat>it just seems like such a hassl
02:11<Zimsky>it's not, and you should start implementing it
02:11<Zimsky>because it's rather easy
02:12<internat>you say that, and yet my isp doesnt implement it
02:12<dwfreed>difference of scale to some extent, but mostly inertia
02:13<Zimsky>internat: because ISPs suck
02:13<Zimsky>if your servers support it, you should implement it
02:15<computerquip>ATT in my area just started providing IPv6 and it's garbage somehow.
02:15<computerquip>I've complained about it for years.
02:16<computerquip>If you use it, you get constant connection issues and random packet loss.
02:17<computerquip>Call them up, ask them what the hell, you end up on the phone for an hour or so, accomplishing essentially nothing.
02:19<millisa>i'm surprised you talked to someone that knew what you were asking for.
02:19<millisa>it took me 2 hours to convince them an ipv6 address was not a mac address. and i failed.
02:20<Zimsky>it depends who you get on the phone though
02:20<Zimsky>it's not like they put network engineers in a call centre
02:20<millisa>not at night for uverse. you can't break out of first level indian support
02:20<millisa>they have zero way to escalate
02:21<Zimsky>don't forget that a lot of places try everything and anything to not escalate issues to someone else
02:21<Zimsky>to the extent of being a royal pain in the arse
02:22<millisa>this really wasn't a situation of them avoiding it.
02:22<Zimsky>usually results in going around in circles and repetition, but hey at least they didn't have to increase their escalation statistics
02:22<internat>hmmm
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02:22<computerquip>My solution was to sadly switch to Comcast as of last month.
02:22<computerquip>I feel unclean. :(
02:23<millisa>for uverse you pretty much have to have a business account to get anywhere past that first level.
02:23<Zimsky>please check yourself into the emergency mental health services
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02:24<computerquip>Unfortunately, when your area only supports two providers and one of them is expensive, poor bandwidth quality, and craps support...
02:24<Zimsky>I wonder how hard it would be to start a residential ISP
02:24<millisa>nearly illegal in some areas.
02:24<Zimsky>in a non-shit country
02:24<Zimsky>like Switzerland or Germany
02:24<millisa>with blackjack.
02:24<Zimsky>or Montenegro
02:27<Zimsky>I should start one and make it nice and good and not-terrible
02:27<Zimsky>with lovely ipv6 and configurable PTR records
02:27<millisa>(and blackjack. and hookers)
02:27<Zimsky>and DNS servers that don't mess with shit
02:27<Zimsky>no blackjack
02:28<Zimsky>only backgammon
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02:31<kyhwana>Zimsky: in NZ it's easy, probably 40-50K NZD, maybe less if you do just UFB (gpon fibre)
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02:47<internat>google tells me that there are no isps's in au that have ipv6 support
02:48<internat>and most of the tunnels are dead
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02:52<dwfreed>internat: HE
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03:05<JamesTK>bepis
03:12<computerquip>Does just having a masquerade enabled on a firewalld zone actually do anything?
03:16<internat>dwfreed: yeah ive just set up the HE Broker, lag is 260ms though :/
03:17<JamesTK>Latency is <3
03:18<JamesTK>Embrace it, I live in Australia
03:23<internat><= brisbane
03:23<rsdehart>someone set us up the HE Broker
03:23<rsdehart>make your time
03:24<JamesTK>Embrace it, SixxS is gone
03:38<computerquip>I've been having increasing amounts of people either from China or using a proxy from China trying to login to my server.
03:39<computerquip>There have been over 60,000 attempts... weird part is the server is kinda new and the IP address isn't very public. Is there a range of Linode's assigned IP addresses that people just go down and try to brute force?
03:40<computerquip>Finally got some security measures in place outside of a decent password but it does strike me as curious.
03:41<computerquip>Even worse, they don't try to login as root, they're trying to login under the user of "admin" which almost makes me think they're trying to login to my server by accident... like it's a script that somehow has the wrong IP.
03:43<JamesTK>they just hit the whole ipv4 internet
03:44<arlen>^
03:47<dcraig>I still can't get in arlen's server
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03:49<arlen>I'll let you in anytime
03:49<dcraig>thx boo
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03:49<yqw>hello
03:49<dcraig>hai
03:49<computerquip>Is that something that started recently? I don't remember that happening so often a few years ago.
03:49<dcraig>I don't ever look at my logs
03:50<computerquip>Well, when I login, SSH tells me how many failed attempts there were since last login. fail2ban has been going nuts lately as well.
03:50<arlen>computerquip: nope been happening for many years
03:50<dcraig>oh, I don't have fail2ban either
03:50<arlen>^
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03:51<dcraig>ignorance is bliss
03:51<dcraig>computerquip, 60k attempts over what time period?
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03:51<computerquip>Well, 60k in one night.
03:52<computerquip>Not really sure the exact time frame since it was just a quick message from SSH. But it happened a few more times as well >.>
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03:52<dcraig>that's not even 1 per second :D
03:53<computerquip>I noticed the exact amount is usually close to that of an unsigned 16-bit integer for whatever reason.
03:54<dcraig>enat
03:54<dcraig>neat :D
03:56<dcraig>maybe the botnet can only hold that many bots
03:57<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • SSL CRS VS CRT <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14795&p=73498#p73498>
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04:03<Zimsky>one night could be anything
04:03<Zimsky>what planet?
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04:18<arlen>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
04:21<dcraig>Planet Arlen
04:21<arlen>where the party never stops
04:27<Zimsky>sounds like the worst party
04:27<Zimsky>best part of a party is when it ends
04:27<Zimsky>because parties suck
04:29<arlen>:(
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06:19<silver>hi, if i create an image that i want to use later, what are the charges for keeping that image ?
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10:38<GeorgeJetson>hello, how can I change the IP of my Linode and ideally update all the entires in the Linode DNS manager? I just have one VPS.
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10:55<code4hack>make a ticket
10:55<Woet>why do you need to change the IP?
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11:05<Peng>You'll probably have to update the DNS records yourself, though. By hand or with the API.
11:19<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Malware monitoring / on-line scanner <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13779&p=73499#p73499>
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12:28<gecco>yo linode, a Xen host died about 8hrs 30mins ago and you have yet to get this hardware up and running
12:28<gecco>Why is this taking so long? Xen node is in Dallas, for God sake, you guys are usually 30mins or less on stuff like this
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12:29<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Nginx Nodebalancer <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14796&p=73500#p73500>
12:32<Woet>consider it an opportunity to make sure your redundancy / fail over works
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12:36<dwfreed>gecco: Linode has lots of Xen hosts in each facility (I'm sure they've done some pretty heavy consolidation, but I'm sure there's still a lot of people on Xen); you're better off asking about it in the ticket they opened
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12:57<gecco>dwfreed - they are 9hrs into a node outage affecting 170+ linodes
12:57<gecco>the host died at 4amEST, and at 8:24amEST linode created a ticket saying host was out, WTF guys, why did it take so long to respond
12:58<gecco>why are there no spare parts?
12:58<gecco>yeah, Xen is going away, I get that, but standard time to solving host out issues, is usually 15mins to support saying "Hey, we had a host die"
12:59<gecco>and about 45-90mins in having host come back alive, all linodes happy
13:00<gecco>There was an epic fail here, epic. They are not updating the ticket. Node is still dead and support is out to lunch or standing around watching their cocks get smaller, I don't know, this is not a happy feeling knowing you have production serious stuff running on Xen, and a 9hr outage during a work week would cause serious customer complaints
13:00<Meyer__>gecco: Have you tried calling them?
13:00<gecco>In my case, this node is not a big deal, but the fear is there, and the fear is unnecessary. Prior proper planning? where the f' is that?
13:00<gecco>I called them, said my peace, and updated the ticket
13:01<Meyer__>gecco: Sometimes shit happens. I believe they are doing their best to resolve the issue
13:01<gecco>Monday morning they need to have a big meeting with my support ticket pulled up and figure out which guy, or process, or if IBM SOFTLAYER dropped the ball
13:02<arlen>ok
13:03<gecco>Will see. I do not have these kinds of outages in AWS or Google, the outage times are smaller. If they want to be around for a long long time, making sure node outage times do not exceed 1.25hrs should be a big deal to them.
13:03<Meyer__>gecco: I assume you have activated your emergency plans?
13:03<Meyer__>gecco: If things are so important I would assume that you have a action plan on how to get shit up and running again in case of extended downtime
13:04<gecco>I have some emergency plans, yes, not activating for this one, its not a big deal, but the thought of this affecting a production node, and the lack of attention this is getting, I'm giving it attention because the issue needs it.
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13:11<dzho>past performance is not indicative of future xen host results
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13:11<worried>oy, does Linode Manager do password resets?
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13:12*dzho wonders what sort of considerations go into deciding not to take advantage of plan upgrades in favor of sticking with xen hosts
13:12<@jleal>worried: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#resetting-the-root-password
13:12<Peng>dzho: I'm traditional.
13:12<worried>I mean for the original account
13:12<dzho>because your people have an ancient practice of using Xen hosts
13:13<worried>I've just registered and somehow already forgot
13:13<dwfreed>https://manager.linode.com/session/forgot/password
13:13<@jleal>If you can remember your email you can use the password reset form dwfreed linked above
13:13<worried>Hey, thanks.. I've tried that but maybe the e-mailing system is a bit slow
13:13<dwfreed>password takes a username, username takes an email
13:14<@jleal>so it does :D
13:14<dzho>the farmer takes a wife and the cheese stands alone
13:14<worried>Thanks for the help, guys
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14:24<Kawaxi>Hello... I migh need help with my apache server, access.log is not being write it.
14:25<Peng>tmberg_: tmbergtmbergtmbergtmbergtmbergtmbergtmbergtmberg.tmberg.ml!?
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15:19<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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16:14<computerquip>Man, configuring OVPN is a complete pain.
16:15<Eugene>No it isn't, its extremely simple. So simple it looks hard.
16:16<Eugene>Creating a PKI can be a pain the first time, but that is not openvpn
16:16<Woet>if you'd linode every day like Eugene, it'd be extremely simple
16:18<computerquip>Well, I'm trying to get it to redirect all traffic but it won't redirect already made connections. IPv6 also doesn't work. Also didn't even expect it to work since all I've done so far is add an open port and a masquerade to firewalld.
16:19<computerquip>I've not setup any forwarding but perhaps that isn't required anymore? I've lost touch with how OVPN works and documentation is lacking.
16:22<dwfreed>your Linode needs to be configured as an IPv6 router, and either using public addresses Linode has assigned you (from a /64 or /56), or using IPv6 NAT (which is probably easiest done with NPT)
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16:40<Eugene>openvpn creates a tunnel device that is secure between 2 endpoints, or between a server and a series of clients. Then you can bolt on IP addressing((need a routed block of IPv4/IPv6, or masquerading), and routing options(redirect-gateway).
16:40<Eugene>It is not a magic SOCKS box, but it can interface with those too
16:42<Eugene>#openvpn on Freenode has great flowcharts ;-)
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19:48<Zimsky>tmberg++
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20:31<arlen>so quiet today
20:31<arlen>everyone playing with wannacry
20:34<Peng>D:
20:39<Zimsky>is there anything better than postfix/exim
20:40<Zimsky>because they both suck
20:40<arlen>nope
20:40<Zimsky>maybe I should write a new mail server
20:41<dwfreed>postfix isn't *that* bad
20:41<dwfreed>could be worse, could be sendmail
20:42<Zimsky>dwfreed: but you see, it is *that* bad
20:42<Zimsky>it's one step away from xml-based configs
20:43<dwfreed>there are worse things than xml
20:43<dwfreed>namely xml that's been shoe-horned to json
20:43<Zimsky>jsonx?
20:43<Zimsky>er, that's the other way around
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20:44<dwfreed>basically a json document that you can tell from its structure started life as an xml document
20:45<Zimsky>even worse would be xml as json as yaml
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20:47<dwfreed>Zimsky: json to yaml is pretty natural (indeed, json is a subset of later yaml specs which allow you to specify delimiters)
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20:47<dwfreed>but there are sane ways to convert simple XML documents to JSON, and insane ways, and you usually only see insane ways
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21:29<staticsafe>Zimsky: well you could try opensmptpd
21:29<staticsafe>wow i can't spell
21:29<staticsafe>https://www.opensmtpd.org/
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21:33<Zimsky>staticsafe: looks neat
21:33<Zimsky>thanks
21:33<staticsafe>np
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23:52<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network Helper did not run: could not reliably determine distribution or distribution version <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14798&p=73501#p73501>
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