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00:46<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Forward emails without hosting a mail server <> || Web Servers and Web App Development • Server not found for new subdomain <> || General Discussion • Don't have access to StackScriptID="1" <>
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01:22<Guest500>I want to migrate my webhosting to linode, how to do that ?
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01:26<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Need help setting up Fail2Ban <>
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01:58<Eugene>What the fuck is a fidget spinner
01:58<Eugene>Serious question, I don't understand why its on the news
01:58<zifnab>'spinning toy'
01:58<Eugene>Why is it on the news
01:58<zifnab>its a set of ball bearings in plastic
01:59<zifnab>because the news is idiotic
01:59<zifnab>trying to not get you to pay attention to the real things
01:59<FluffyFoxeh>I refuse to sleep
02:00<Ikaros>Heh. I actually slept earlier thinking the weather was gonna get real nasty.
02:00<FluffyFoxeh>it's real nasty here it's like 30 (86) degrees
02:01<FluffyFoxeh>nasty in that I can't friggin sleep
02:01<Ikaros>As it would turn out all we got were a few high wind warnings
02:01<Eugene>of wind
02:01<FluffyFoxeh>what do you imagine a photo of wind to look like, Eugene
02:01<Ikaros>But it still remains really frickin muggy
02:03<Ikaros>Temp 26.7 C (80 F), dewpoint 20 C (68 F), rel. humidity at 67%...and it was much worse earlier today when dewpoint was near 70 F and the temp up around 94 F
02:03<Ikaros>You'd step outside from an air conditioned building and it felt like you just walked into a sauna
02:05<FluffyFoxeh>Remind me, where is this?
02:06<Ikaros>Dallas/Fort Worth metro
02:08<Ikaros>We didn't get storms but we did get this:
02:11<dwfreed>Eugene: it's in the news because people noticed it, and realized that kids love it, regardless of the fact that it does nothing other than spin
02:12<dwfreed>Eugene: before becoming insanely popular, the device was used to help kids with ADD/ADHD to focus (no idea how that works, but therapists indicate it's highly effective)
02:13<dwfreed>the appearence in the news has to do with the fact that schools have started to ban them outright, because the kids that don't need them are bringing them to class and creating distractions, etc
02:14<dwfreed>arguably an outright ban is a violation of the ADA provision on reasonable accomodations for kids with ADD/ADHD
02:14<dwfreed>(and I'm sure there's an education-specific law about reasonable accomodations for disabilities)
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02:15<Ikaros>Mmm, Johnsonville sausage...
02:15<zifnab>dwfreed: title ix is what you're looking for
02:15<zifnab>requires an action plan filed with the school
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02:15<zifnab>so not an ada violation until they don't follow it
02:16<zifnab>title ix is wrong
02:16<zifnab>i think
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03:05<Prabanjan>anybody is there?
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03:06<Prabanjan>i need full details of plan Linode 8GB
03:09<Prabanjan>i got it but what is other details of plan such as cPanel
03:10<MrPPS>None - these are unmanaged virtual machines
03:10<MrPPS>So you get a server and operating system, but everything else is up to you
03:10<MrPPS>If you wanted cpanel, you'd have to buy your own license, install yourself etc.
03:11<MrPPS>Linode *can* offer managed services as well, but if you're after hosting with I built cpanel, this is probably not the host you're looking for :)
03:11<Prabanjan>Network Firewall Web Application Firewall Brute-force Protection Daily Backups Backup Restore Server Monitoring
03:12<MrPPS>Linode provide the server + network
03:12<Prabanjan>ok what about backup?
03:12<MrPPS>Yes, they can offer backups in the form of virtual machine snapshots
03:12<MrPPS>For a small monthly fee
03:12<MrPPS>But as always, I'd recommend extra layer of protection and have your own backups elsewhere too
03:12<Prabanjan>what is the fee?
03:13<MrPPS>Depends on the plan
03:13<Zimsky>dwfreed: the mind is partially occupied with the motor task of flipping the device and it accounts for distractibility
03:13<MrPPS>I think it's about a quarter of the plan price
03:13<Prabanjan>what about antivirus and security?
03:13<dwfreed>that's your responsibility
03:13<dwfreed>it's a server, you do whatever you want with it
03:14<Zimsky>people use antivirus on servers?
03:14<MrPPS>Basically like renting a computer
03:14<Prabanjan>manage my complete server
03:14<Zimsky>MrPPS: 'like'
03:14<Zimsky>you /are/ renting a computer
03:14<MrPPS>But I'm trying to put it like
03:14<MrPPS>If you rented a desktop
03:14<MrPPS>You'd just get the desktop
03:15<Zimsky>you'd be weird
03:15<MrPPS>Up to you what you do with it :L
03:15<MrPPS>:P *
03:15<MrPPS>Of course
03:15<Zimsky>colon pee
03:15<MrPPS>Just trying to cross the language barriers a little
03:15<Zimsky>I speak english fine
03:16<MrPPS>Not yours
03:16<Zimsky>if you'd prefer russian, I can accomodate
03:16<MrPPS>Won't help me much :P
03:16<Zimsky>maybe Prabanjan is an english professor
03:16<Zimsky>you don't know Prabanjan
03:17<Prabanjan>your plan details not given full specification
03:18<Zimsky>"full specification" is subject to many definitions
03:18<MrPPS>How so?
03:18<Prabanjan>your only giving the VPS Cloud?
03:18<Zimsky>no, just one vps, not the whole cloud
03:19<Prabanjan>it shared host?
03:19<rsdehart>no, it's your own vps
03:20<Prabanjan>or each one have single node?
03:20<MrPPS>Not shared; unmanaged VPS hosting
03:20<rsdehart>you have root on a virtual server
03:20<rsdehart>and you can run anything that doesn't violate the ToS
03:20<MrPPS>Multiple virtual servers to one physical host
03:20<Zimsky>rsdehart: actually, you can run anything even if it violates the ToS
03:21<Zimsky>whether or not you will get suspended / in trouble for violating the ToS is another matter
03:21<zifnab>not enough storage for a seedbox
03:21<zifnab>not enough bandwidth for a tor exit node
03:21<Zimsky>who needs a seedbox anyway
03:21<Zimsky>take photos of the underside of a DVD in a store
03:21<Zimsky>then enhance
03:22<Zimsky>bam, you got the dvd
03:23<Prabanjan>what is the server running in your VPS? linux or windows?
03:23<rsdehart>*lin*odes typically run linux
03:23<rsdehart>windows isn't officially supported, though it is possible to get it to run
03:23<Prabanjan>what web server supported your vps? apache or nginx
03:23<Zimsky>windows servers aren't real servers
03:24<zifnab>typically, Eugene is kind of a masochist and runs windows
03:24<rsdehart>Prabanjan: whatever web server you want to install
03:24<Zimsky>ohhh so that's why Eugene is such an insufferable git
03:24<Zimsky>TIL zifnab
03:24<rsdehart>see, that's how freedom works
03:24<rsdehart>you get to install what you want. They give you a machine
03:24<Zimsky>rsdehart: but there's a ToS, therefore not true freedom
03:25<rsdehart>limited freedom, but freedom nonetheless
03:25<Zimsky>...that doesn't make sense
03:26<Prabanjan>is there any additional fee for Cpanel?
03:26<Zimsky>the argument cannot be reduced when originating with a limiter
03:26<Zimsky>the license cost if you buy a cpanel license
03:26<Zimsky>if you get a managed linode, it'll cost you US$100 per month on top of the linode cost, but you also get cpanel
03:27<Prabanjan>what is the cpanel monthly? plan Linode 8GB?
03:27<Zimsky>the linode plans themselves don't include cpanel
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03:46<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • hypnotherapie lyon <>
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04:38<Guest512>Halp me? please
04:39<Guest512>i have 50-100 k klicks daily
04:40<Guest512>what choose&
04:45<Woet>Guest512: whatever your application requires.
04:45<Woet>Guest512: you should know, before you buy an unmanaged Linux VPS.
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04:47<Zimsky>wow Woet you don't fuck around
04:47<Woet>call me Mr Genius
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05:17<TerraTech>Hey guys. Anyone aware of issues with the London server? We're getting a bad gateway error.
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05:18<ponas>TerraTech: that sounds like something that is be wrong with *your* server specifically. my London Linode is fine.
05:19<ponas>how did the "be" get there :o
05:19<TerraTech>Ah I see! Any tips on how to track down the issue? Beyond restarting the server a few times, we're a little stumped.
05:19<Woet>TerraTech: SSH in and investigate
05:19<ponas>what kind of stack are you running?
05:19<ponas>nginx + php-fpm?
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05:20<ponas>often php-fpm shits itself and needs a restart
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05:20<TerraTech>Cool, shall try that. Thanks guys!
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05:23<Celti>I've had php-fpm shit itself, like, once ever. But I'll admit my stuff isn't very high-traffic.
05:24<ponas>it got better with php7.0-fpm
05:24<ponas>and I think I got bit with a leak/bug in APC
05:27<Celti>I'm also doing Apache + php-fpm, though that *shouldn't* have any impact on the deal
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06:07<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Push Notifications on Mobile App <>
06:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode VS. Dreamhost VPS <> || Web Servers and Web App Development • nginx fastcgi_cache much much slower when "caching" WordPress, rather than a test php file <>
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06:54<nhurf>Hi, transfer tb is prorrated?
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06:57<Woet>as opposed to what?
06:57<Woet>"What happens if I exceed my monthly transfer quota?
06:57<Woet>You will be invoiced $0.02 for each GB over your pooled network transfer quota. Please note that all inbound traffic is free and will not count against your quota."
06:58<rsdehart>Woet: What I assumed was "What happens if I don't exceed my monthly transfer quota?"
06:58<rsdehart>no, you don't get credited for quota not used
06:58<nhurf>Yes but if a server has 1 TB per month and I only have this server 14 days, I've 500 gb of bandwith or 1tb?
06:59<Woet>it probably just gives you monthly regardless
06:59<Woet>but unsure
06:59<nhurf>Ok, thank you
06:59<Woet>open a ticket if you want a definitive answer
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07:02<Woet>oh, he left already
07:02<Woet>"Your Linode’s bandwidth quota is prorated based on its creation date. This means that a Linode you create mid-month will have a lower bandwidth quota than what’s listed on our pricing page, depending on how much time remains in the month."
07:02<Woet>his loss
07:36<dzho>our gain
07:37<dzho>(seriously, sometimes it's of benefit to the broader discussion to have this details brought out as a reminder or clarification, regardless of whether the original questioner is receptive, still around, asking in bad faith, etc)
07:38<dzho>*these details*
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09:15<sabraham>is there way to add more disk space to Lineode 2048 or i woul dneed to choose highe rplan ?
09:17<ponas>you need to choose a higher plan
09:18<ponas>then you get more CPU cores and RAM for free, included with the disk space!
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09:27<uther>good one
09:29<skyfaller>hey folks, does anyone here use Ansible, or better yet the linode ansible module? I'm trying to determine whether this bug I filed is actually a bug:
09:30<skyfaller>I can't tell based on the documentation whether a "name" is necessary when simply rebooting a linode:
09:30<skyfaller>it seems to me like it should only be necessary when creating a new server, not rebooting an existing one
09:30<skyfaller>but I'm not 100% sure
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09:31<skyfaller>it doesn't help that the maintainer for this ansible module seems to have gone AWOL
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09:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Don't have access to StackScriptID="1" <> || General Discussion • Linode VS. Dreamhost VPS <> || Web Servers and Web App Development • Server not found for new subdomain <> || Feature Request/Bug Report • U2F Secu
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09:59<mustmodify_>My brother-in-law's server is down. He's on vacation. I'm working on resetting his password. Could take a minute. In the mean time, any known issues?
10:00<dzho>skyfaller: I don't use ansible with linode yet, but it's a low-priority aspiration so if you dig anything up will be interesting to see.
10:05<mustmodify_>it's a payment issue. blah.
10:08<mustmodify_>once payment is made, how long until service is restored?
10:09<Woet>instantly, probably
10:09<Woet>why dont you make the payment and find out?
10:09<mustmodify_>Thanks, I did. :)
10:09<mustmodify_>It wasn't instant.
10:09<dzho>now we know
10:09<@mcintosh>mustmodify_: you'll need to click boot
10:11<mustmodify_>@mcintosh: Oh, ok. Thanks. You might consider adding instructions to that effect to the payment screen, or adding that to the "you've been cut off" ticket.
10:17<@mcintosh>mustmodify_: good idea
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10:39<jmibanez>Has the Singapore lish node changed SSH keys?
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13:06<rsm>Does anyone know how much time does linode take to activate an account?
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13:15<Woet>people are too impatient
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13:59<argv>hello is there anybody here?
14:00<argv>does someone know if the VPS on linode are KVM or OpenVZ
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14:01<argv>ok thank you very much for the answer
14:01<argv>have a nice day millisa
14:01<millisa>have a good afternoon
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14:08<zifnab>i wonder if openvz ever fixed their oversubscription bug
14:08<zifnab>(oversubscribed ram, outside of burstable ram, would kill the host's kernel)
14:09<zifnab>they had two ram buckets, at one point people would sell things like '128mb memory + 128mb burstable'
14:09<zifnab>if the allocated non-burstable memory was oversold, and it was unallocatedable, you could panic the kernel by doing a while(1) malloc(1)
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14:26<rita>is it worth configuring a cdn for my website or will the difference be negligible?
14:26<dwfreed>depends on how many users you have, where they are located, etc.
14:28<rita>i'd say 80% from the united states but it's definitely not localized to a state
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14:29<rita>I've configured caching and apache and minified scripts ect -- i'm trying to reduce page load time.
14:30<dwfreed>what is making page load slow
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14:30<dwfreed>(chrome's devtools network tab is really good for looking at this)
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14:31<rita>it's not slow per say it loads in about 1.5s(according to pingdom) but another site which is similar to ours loads about 4x the page size in .5 seconds less.
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14:32<ponas>rita: did you try this tool?
14:32<dwfreed>^ that's also really useful
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14:34<rita>ponas : thanks for this looks like google is penalizing me heavily for not compressing images
14:34<dwfreed>pagespeed mostly covers rendering, though; looking at the individual requests in the devtools network tab will tell you which parts of an individual request are slow
14:34<ponas>yeah if you have a lot of images, serving them the right size + compressed/optimized helps a lot
14:35<zifnab>its LE still offline for anyone else?
14:35<zifnab>yup, CDN errors
14:36<rita>are there any tools to compress images in bulk or should i be compressing them before they are displayed ?
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14:37<ponas>rita: is it a wordpress site?
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14:37<rita>no it's not wordpress
14:38<dwfreed>it gives example ImageMagick commands, too
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14:39<rita>sounds good ill try this out and see what happens
14:40<rita>my images are about 50kb in size and 25-30 per page so it's not that big
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15:45<vishal_>sudo mkdir ~/.ssh; nano ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is showing - modifying a file which is not locked
15:46<vishal_>But the user is a part of the group sudo already, can anyone guide me on this
15:48<relidy>vishal_: Why are you using sudo at all? You've created the directory with sudo, so presumably the directory is now owned by root, but then you try to edit a file in that directory as your normal user.
15:52<vishal_>But without sudo I can't create any file
15:53<vishal_>Okay, got it, Thanks relidy
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16:52<Mr_Tomato>Hello Guys,
16:54<Mr_Tomato>i do have text file which include a lot of lines. example,test and my target here is to only save
16:54<Mr_Tomato>all lines is the same so i would like to remove start from ","
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17:14<vishal_>@Mr_Tomato kindly elaborate
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19:43<shivab>just curious, where's your dev api for provisioning boxes and networking?
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20:02<Zimsky>Today I am not Linodin'
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20:02<Zimsky>I'm at Eugene's house baking bread
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20:03<Eugene>Survey says..... that is a lie.
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20:30<Zimsky>you is on joke, we remove bread half hour ago
20:30<Zimsky>bread is cool now!
20:30<Zimsky>Eugene: why is that one cupboard slightly ajar
20:30<arlen>that's where the bread is
20:30<Zimsky>no arlen, no
20:31<Zimsky>please leave, arlen
20:31<arlen>I've already left
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21:03<Kirsty>hi there, prospective customer - was just wondering if there's a facility to prevent/limit bandwidth from exceeding the monthly caps?
21:04<Zimsky>install some package that limits bandwidth
21:04<Kirsty>that makes sense
21:04<Zimsky>I'm sure <distro> has something in its repos
21:04<Eugene>Zimsky - because its full of pots
21:05<Zimsky>Eugene: fix your pots so it closes properly
21:05<Eugene>You trying telling my wife that
21:05<dzho>pretty sure that's actually not much help with bugs
21:05<Zimsky>Eugene: divorce her.
21:05<dzho>maybe your Naked Lunch sized bugs
21:06<Zimsky>someone who does not properly arrange pots is a terrible person to be in a marriage with
21:06<Eugene>Oh, they're arranged properly. Its just /full/. We have a lot of pots for some reason
21:06<dzho> <-- NSFL
21:06<Eugene>There's the enameled cast-iron ones, the cheap ones, the not-so-cheap copper ones, the non-stick ones....
21:06<Zimsky>Eugene: how many hotplates / burners do you have on your stove?
21:07<dzho>we finally had a piece of revere ware decompose on us
21:07<dzho>I've had it for nearly 30 years and it was hand-me-down even then
21:07<Eugene>Just a "Normal" 4-burner electric range.
21:07<dzho>all the copper had worn off the bottom.
21:07<Zimsky>if pots > stove_burners, you're doing something wrong
21:07<dzho>right tool for the job, homes
21:08*Eugene shrugs
21:08<Zimsky>one day I will form my own country
21:08<dzho>good luck with that
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21:08<dzho>with your narrow views on cookware and all
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21:09<dzho>that's quite an impediment to successful nation-building
21:09<Eugene>I have a wife so that I don't need to have a view on cookware
21:09<Eugene>And she doesn't have any views on the quantity of computers I have, so it works out
21:09<dzho>I have a wife, but need to assert my dominance with regard to the proper care of non-enameled cast iron occasionally, otherwise, rust
21:09<Zimsky>marriage is pointless
21:10<dzho>yeah, that whole starting-a-country thing, hmmm.
21:10<Zimsky>really, it is
21:10<dzho>life is pointless, and yet here we are.
21:10<Zimsky>well, that's opening another can of worms
21:10<dzho>oh, back to cookware I see
21:10<Zimsky>and dzho, I could discuss that point for a particularly long period of time
21:10<Zimsky>but I'll spare you
21:11*dzho also has opinions about can openers
21:11<dzho>in the meantime, enjoy the picture of the bug
21:13<FluffyFoxeh>we have one of those induction stoves
21:13<FluffyFoxeh>it uses m̶a̶g̶i̶c̶ magnets to heat stuff
21:21<Zimsky>but actually it doesn't
21:21<Zimsky>because it uses EM induction
21:21<Zimsky>not "magnets"
21:22<dzho>which are like regular magnets, but louder
21:22<dzho>you may also have heard of regular magnets referred to as acoustic magnets
21:23<rsdehart>I prefer electroacoustic magnets because they're usable without power too
21:56<zifnab>Zimsky: when you form your country, can i be the secret police?
22:02<Zimsky>that was not supposed to be in capitals
22:03<Zimsky>zifnab: you can be the mayor of a town
22:03<Zimsky>ziftown or something
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22:17<Eugene>He already has a zifden
22:18<rsdehart>how about a zif socket
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22:38<Eugene>Pretty sure he still has the AM3, yeah
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23:51<CutestPenguin>Hi! There, How many IP addresses are assigned with Plan "Linode 4GB" ?
23:52<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
23:54<Zimsky>CutestPenguin: what are your credentials for being the 'cutest' penguin
23:54<Peng>what's this i hear
23:54<CutestPenguin>The username is isrgdns
23:54<Zimsky>no peng, you can't pretend to be a penguin
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