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---Logopened Thu May 25 00:00:05 2017
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00:38<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Creating an account without a credit card <>
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01:07<zifnab>!metar xnuq
01:07<linbot>zifnab: [metar] XNUQ: not data available, valid code?
01:07<zifnab>!metar knuq
01:07<linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KNUQ: 59.0F/15C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph, chill 57.11F (altimeter: 29.75) [KNUQ 250456Z AUTO 13009KT 10SM CLR 15/09 A2975 RMK AO2 SLP076 T01500089]
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01:08<zifnab>huh, i assumed nuq was an x, its a military base
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01:09<dwfreed>zifnab: moffett field is mixed private/government use
01:10<dwfreed>Google leases the field
01:10<zifnab>its also nasa aimes
01:11<zifnab>another argument to make us-west-2 'nuq' instead of 'sjc'
01:13<Peng>How many DNS queries to the Linode resolvers is too many?
01:16<dwfreed>Peng: more than you're doing
01:16<zifnab>better question
01:16<zifnab>are they still the main resolvers for linodes
01:16<dwfreed>(I believe they actually apply per source IP ratelimits)
01:16<dwfreed>zifnab: always have been, always will be
01:16<zifnab>and can i still register
01:16<dwfreed>ns1 != resolver
01:17<dwfreed>linbot: dns6
01:17<zifnab>i ran into a weird bug where i had hosted on linode's dns, but its nameservers were cloudflare
01:17<linbot>dwfreed: 2600:3c00::2,
01:17<zifnab>this was years ago though
01:17<Peng>dwfreed: So... i should get a /56 and enable source IP randomization? :)
01:17<dwfreed>zifnab: there was probably a point where ns1 was also a recursive resolver for Linodes, but that would have been eons ago
01:17<zifnab>dwfreed: i just got rid of a 256 xen host
01:18<zifnab>i've been here for eons
01:18<zifnab>it was $40
01:18<zifnab>its now $5
01:18<zifnab>by 'just' i mean 'january-ish'
01:18<zifnab>it runs an ircd - why bother touching it?
01:19<dwfreed>by "256 xen host" you mean it was a Linode 256, or that it was on host <facility>256?
01:19<zifnab>oh, it was a linode 256
01:20<zifnab>i doubt it was old enough to be on a triple digit host
01:20<zifnab>let me see if i can track down the account it would have been on
01:21<zifnab>hrm, this one only goes back to 2013
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01:22<Peng>Heck, i have a new Linode on a 3 digit host. In Atlanta.
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01:22<dwfreed>a Linode 200 was $40 in 2007
01:23<Zimsky>er, no
01:23<zifnab>dwfreed: i'm quite possibly wrong. looks like my first invoice was 2010
01:24<dwfreed>in April 2007, pricing changed such that a Linode 256 was $20
01:25<zifnab>trying to find this account, was account deletion a thing that was supported at one point?
01:25<dwfreed>account deletion has always been supported
01:25<Eman>huh weird, my first invoice from 2005 when it was clearly a linode64 says it was a linode360
01:25<dwfreed>accounts can be undeleted, though
01:26<dwfreed>Eman: because plan names changed without changing plan IDs
01:26<dwfreed>Eman: and invoices only store plan IDs
01:26<Eman>ah makes sense
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01:27<zifnab>>Some plans are not available for legacy 'pre-pay' accounts. Please convert to Hourly billing...
01:27<zifnab>i refuse
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01:27<dwfreed>zifnab: why do you refuse to pay less?
01:27<millisa>option 2: create another account?
01:27<zifnab>i don't, i don't use this account
01:28<zifnab>i apparently am up to 4
01:28<dwfreed>zifnab: in June 2010, after Linode's birthday, a Linode 1024 was $40
01:28<zifnab>so the earliest invoice i can see in this account is 2011-01-04
01:29<zifnab>607077 for linode81439
01:29<zifnab>dallas252 / linode44427
01:30<zifnab>brb, adding these to my spreadsheets/graph
01:43<csnxs>!metar egnx
01:43<linbot>csnxs: [metar] OBS at EGNX: 59.0F/15C, visibility 7000 miles, wind 3.45 mph, chill 59.57F (altimeter: ) [EGNX 250520Z 04003KT 7000 NSC 15/14 Q1025]
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01:47<Guest897>I want place order
01:48<Guest897>but not sure which location should i choose?
01:48<millisa> might help you pick on?
01:48<Peng>It's up to you
01:48<Guest897>Dallas, TX
01:48<millisa>er, pick one
01:48<Guest897>I want to choose a place at the east of USA
01:49<Guest897>Which one is the nearest?
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01:49<millisa>US East is in Newark
01:49<arlen>nearest to what?
01:49<arlen>ignore me
01:49<Guest897>Linode 8192, I want to choose this one
01:49<Peng>or Atlanta?
01:50<arlen>then choose it
01:50<arlen>are you familiar with maps?
01:50<Peng>It's also in the eastern US
01:51<Guest897>I am not in USA
01:51<Guest897>so, i am not sure USA map
01:51<zifnab>sooo, it look slike invoice ids are...not actually sequential?
01:51<zifnab>well, they are, but things are skipped?
01:51<Guest897>But i know all of my customers located in east of USA
01:52<arlen>Guest897: then choose newark or atlanta
01:52<Guest897>oK, THANKS
01:52<arlen>if they're mostly north east, then newark
01:53<Guest897>do you have your hosting location map?
01:53<zifnab>nope, i lied, i have a nice graph now, my math was wrong
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01:54<zifnab>6 years of invoice data. too much work.
01:55<FluffyFoxeh><Guest897> so, i am not sure USA map
01:55<FluffyFoxeh>they don't have maps outside the USA?
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01:56<zifnab>wow, $5 plans must have helped a ton: (this is actually correct, i have no idea why i was normalizing for dates, everythings billed near the 1st)
01:58<FluffyFoxeh>what's that random gfkrkfjfjfj in 2015-16
01:58<zifnab>i'm not sure
01:58<zifnab>i'm assuming they re-ordered the order accounts get billed in?
01:58<zifnab>i mean, i'm assuming invoice ids are sequential
01:59<zifnab>in 2010 there were ~36k invoices, now there's ~180k
01:59<zifnab>average monthly change is +2k
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02:07<zifnab> <-- i could fit all of the available linodes there on my laptop
02:09<arlen>discover your roots
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02:10<Daniel_>Someone here?
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02:12<Daniel_>Can i know how to mount cpanel?
02:12<arlen>install it first
02:12<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
02:13<Daniel_>And how about the ftp?
02:14<arlen>what about it?
02:14<Daniel_>ftp account
02:14<Daniel_>where can i see ftp account?
02:14<arlen>do you know what ssh is?
02:15<Daniel_>a little
02:15<arlen>use sftp instead of ftp
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02:37<MrPPS>oh man, those archived plans from 2003 :O
02:38<MrPPS>that's amazing
02:38<MrPPS>I do remember the "X available" though
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04:39<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • iPad & VPN <>
04:39<sanjay>Im getting this error in my domain "Nameserver is not authoritative for"
04:39<sanjay>Please help ?
04:39<sanjay>See the leafDNS link here:
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04:41<Carl_>Hi guys
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04:42<sanjay> Im getting this error in my domain "Nameserver is not authoritative for"
04:43<sanjay>Please help ?
04:43<sanjay>See the leafDNS link here:
04:45<internat>when did you create it in linode dns?
04:47<Woet>sanjay: stop repeating yourself after less than 4 minutes
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04:50<sanjay>I created it before yesterday. Its been more than 12 hours
04:51<sanjay>I cant find out the issue. Please help guys. Im really stuck here. All my domains are down.
04:51<internat>define down
04:52<internat> <== says it all checks out
04:54<sanjay>But it is not working. Try going to
04:55<sanjay>It is redirecting to the default page.
04:57<Woet>sanjay: thats not a DNS issue.
04:57<Woet>sanjay: and your leaf DNS test is outdated, I don't know why you're linking it to us.
04:58<Carl_>your site works fine for me
05:13<sanjay>Yes. Leaf DNS test works fine now. But i really donno why im redirecting to cpanels default page instead of my website.
05:16<sanjay>I have setup addon domain, confirgured A records to point website to IP address.
05:18<arlen>ask cpanel
05:19<internat>have you just got it cached on your end
05:19<internat>cause i got the aptexconsulting page
05:22<sanjay>I tried clearing cache, i tried from my mobile phone. It still shows the stupid default page.
05:24<arlen>works for me. "We provide corporate consulting & documentation services for your organization"
05:25<Woet>sanjay: because you have IPv6
05:25<Woet>sanjay: it works fine over IPv4
05:25*rsdehart provides corporate organization services for your documentation
05:25*arlen hires rsdehart
05:25<joecool|mobile>Nobody tests ipv6!
05:26<arlen>IPv6 is a myth
05:28<sanjay>So i have to disable IPv6. What a nightmare. Im up for the last 24 hours stuck in this shit issue.
05:29<Woet>sanjay: surely cpanel supports IPv6?
05:30<sanjay>I think i have to add another A record using IpV6 or disable ipv6 let me try
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05:42<sanjay>Thank you very much internat, Woet, carl and joecool
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06:08<Guest906>Are you here?
06:19<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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07:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Pentaho trigger from Linode is very slow <>
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08:22<meram>Is any one there from linode team
08:23<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
08:23<dzho>!to meram ops
08:23<linbot>meram: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
08:23<dzho>meram: if you really need someone from linode to pay attention to your request, you need to have filed a ticket.
08:23<dzho>filed ... I guess the term of art here is "opened"
08:24<meram>hi. I have linode server . I was trying to open Pentaho Spoon(Data integration ) tool. Its dead slow. Why the performance is so slow
08:25<meram>In front page of Linode. Storage part showed is it like my storage is over. I didnt understand about the storage.
08:27<Woet>meram: check your CPU/RAM/disk usage while it's running?
08:27<dzho>top, htop, iotop ...
08:29<meram>how can i check tat
08:29<meram>CPU/RAM i meant
08:29<dzho>meram: top, htop, iotop ...
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08:29<dzho>all the tops ;-)
08:30<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Current Apache version <>
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08:32<dzho>meram: these are command line tools that you can invoke that generate reports, usually continually updating live reports, on resource usage.
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08:36<meram>may i know what are the command line tools
08:38<dzho>meram: Were you aware of before?
08:39<dzho>most, if not all, of what you need to know is discussed there at some level at least.
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08:40*dzho finally gets around to looking at what Pentaho is.
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08:41<dzho>java, graphical tool
08:41<dzho>oh boy
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09:00<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • massage lyon <>
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09:10<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • boutique bio en ligne <>
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09:30<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Current Apache version <>
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10:20<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Want To Hire Someone to Set Up POP3 <>
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10:30<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • LAMP question! <>
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10:36<Carl_>How do you know when your month starts/ends? or is it from the 1st of the month?
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10:53<Zimsky>like, your cycle?
10:53<Zimsky>my cycle starts on the 6th
10:53<Zimsky>if you know what I mean
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11:02<csnxs>tmi dude, tmi
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11:19<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:24<@jalter>!point Eugene
11:24<linbot>jalter: Point given to eugene. (22) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 6]
11:24<@jalter>^ accurate
11:27<Woet>!point Woet
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11:42<@jalter>!point Woet
11:42<linbot>jalter: Point given to woet. (3)
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11:42<Woet>thanks mate
11:42<Woet>!point jalter
11:42<linbot>Woet: Point given to jalter. (1)
11:42<Woet>aww i popped your cherry
11:43<@jalter>wow. i thought i would have had at LEAST one by now
11:43<Woet>mcintosh: ill give you a point if you give me a point
11:44<csnxs>!lick mcintosh
11:44<linbot>csnxs: Point given to mcintosh. (10)
11:44<Woet>csnxs: same offer
11:44<csnxs>I wonder whether I can still insult mcintosh's creator
11:44<csnxs>!to mcintosh urmom
11:44<linbot>mcintosh: Yo mommas so stupid, she thought Conflicker was real! (2:0/0) [morum]
11:45<csnxs>!lick Woet
11:45<linbot>csnxs: Point given to woet. (4)
11:45<Woet>!point csnxs
11:45<linbot>Woet: Point given to csnxs. (5)
11:45<csnxs>i'm surprised I have any points at all
11:45<Woet>dont be so hard on yourself
11:45<Woet>we'll do that for you
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12:12<Zimsky>!point Zimsky
12:12<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
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12:35<Eugene>Do linodes poop?
12:36<dzho>only in the woods
12:37<Zimsky>after tea
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17:33<Owner>mcintosh: hi
17:33<Owner>i have a question about my linode and how to save money....
17:33<@mcintosh>ask away
17:34<Owner>My plan says Linode 2048
17:34<Owner>its old...i still have 8 cores and 1gb ram
17:34<Owner>i want to probably do something so i can save money
17:34<Owner>i have 50GB of storage...
17:34<Owner>what can i do
17:34<Owner>first upgrade to kvm...
17:35<relidy>Yep, then if you wish, you can downgrade back to 1GB
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17:35<Owner>but my storage
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17:35<Owner>50GB disk...
17:36<@mcintosh>linode 2048 with 8 cores is pretty old - you'd be paying $40 monthly I believe
17:36<Owner>Legacy pre-pay accounts are also not eligible for these new plans. You can easily upgrade your account to hourly billing.
17:36<Owner>im still paying yearly with 10% discount
17:36<Owner>its not 40, its around 20
17:36<Owner>as it was when i signed up
17:36<@mcintosh>ah - sorry i misread, you have 1GB of RAM
17:37<Owner>216$ a year
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17:37<Owner>but i guess i want to go as cheap as possible
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17:38<@mcintosh>a Linode 4GB on the latest generation offers 48GB of disk space - you'd lose cores but the processors themselves are faster and you'd likely see better performance
17:38<Owner>is it cheaper?
17:38<Owner>its going to be tough to remove 2GB of space from my system
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17:38<Owner>i mean kind of
17:39<Owner>i guess not really, but a hassle
17:39<@mcintosh>hmm - your best bet is to open a ticket here, I think
17:39<@mcintosh>support will be able to look at the specifics of your plan/billing and give you the best advice
17:43<Owner>going down to 1 core from 8
17:43<Owner>sounds like a bad idea though
17:43<Owner>no way to get 8 cores again
17:43<Owner>except 480 bucks a month
17:45<arlen>are you really using those 8 cores? doubt it
17:45<Owner>well for threading
17:45<Owner>should mysql really run all its threads on one core?
17:46<Owner>along with everything else in the system
17:46<arlen>majority of people that switch see a performance increase because the processors are better
17:47<Owner>but if i dont see an increase then theres no way to go back
17:47<Owner>plus i have to strip 30GB of storage off my partitions
17:47<arlen>so test first
17:47<Owner>to even do it
17:49<Owner>yeah i have to find out if a linode 1gb will work for me
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17:49<Owner>i know i dont need 2gb of ram, so linode 2g is pointless
17:50<Owner>and linode 4gb is way more ram tha i need and only 2 cores still
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17:53<dzho>hmm. storage is short 2GB, but you'd have 2GB of RAM too much?
17:53<dzho>sounds like a win.
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17:54<Owner>more than im paying now
17:54<Owner>sounds like a lose
17:55<al_>I am new to Linode. Was wondering if there is any option to get a concession on managed service to start off.
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18:20<Tahir>is it mandatory to set up nginx or appache to build node app?
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18:20<Owner>Tahir: no
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19:09<zifnab>so, i have a systemd unit file that defines an EnvironmentFile=/etc/default/blah and an ExecStart (/usr/local/bin/blah ${OPTIONS} -blah /etc/blah.d/${TYPE}/)
19:09<zifnab>if the environmentfile has OPTIONS="", or OPTIONS='', or OPTIONS= everything fails
19:10<zifnab>unless i change the command to /usr/local/bin/blah -blah /etc/blah.d/${TYPE}/ ${OPTIONS}
19:10<zifnab>anyone have any thoughts :P
19:10<zifnab>(the command works fine on the command line with the ordering of options that systemd should be using)
19:12<zifnab>i can totally just move ${OPTIONS} to the end, but i'd love to know why systemd is doing something weird with an empty variable in an EnvironmentFile
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19:23<kyhwana>zifnab: lol systemd
19:23<zifnab>yeah pretty much
19:24<kyhwana>systemd handles variables in a completely batshit insane way so it doesn't work how ANYTHING ELSE EVER HAS WORKED
19:26<Eugene>I already told him that, he didn't seem to believe me
19:31<zifnab>i believed you
19:31<zifnab>i just didn't want to
19:31<zifnab>i'm just gonna move the service to be a template instead of using env files
19:31<zifnab>because fuck it?
19:31<zifnab>joys of ansible
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20:32<MajObviousman>mcintosh: when did you last take a shower?
20:32<Zimsky>MajObviousman: you should know
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20:32<MajObviousman>er, why?
20:33<MajObviousman>if I knew, why would I ask?
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20:33<AlexMax>Zimsky, december 31'st 1969?
20:34<AlexMax>sorry, date is a non-nullable type
20:34<Zimsky>MajObviousman: alzheimer's
20:34<Zimsky>I could list off heaps
20:34*Zimsky pulls out the DSM-5
20:34<MajObviousman>this is going nowhere fast
20:35<FluffyFoxeh>is the nope train faster
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20:35*Zimsky boards the wrong train
20:35<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky boarded the YES train
20:35<AlexMax>nowhere fast?
20:36<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: why wouldn't you
20:36<FluffyFoxeh>indeed it's clearly the best train
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20:41<@mcintosh>MajObviousman: shower?
20:41<@mcintosh>all I need is a couple sprays of febreze, baby
20:43<FluffyFoxeh>Eugene: nice
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21:20<MajObviousman>well that explains the odor floating around
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21:36<dzho>sunil: hi
21:36<sunil>hi dzho
21:36<sunil>i have a host from linode
21:37<sunil>we face issue with our server regarding ssl certificate
21:37<sunil>see below error
21:37<sunil>Mixed Content: The page at '' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure XMLHttpRequest endpoint ''. This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS.
21:38<sunil> is my linode host
21:39<sunil>can your support regarding this
21:39<dzho>!to sunil ops
21:39<linbot>sunil: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:40<dzho>and linode only offers that sort of support for customers of their "managed" service, so far as I understand.
21:40<dwfreed>dzho: ops isn't really relevant here
21:40<dzho>dwfreed: well, it's not "your support"
21:40<dwfreed>also that would fall more under professional service, not managed
21:40<dzho>which is to say, I'm not linode support, and one can tell that by seeing I do not have ops.
21:41<dzho>(eg, no @ symbol before my name, in case sunil is new to IRC)
21:41<dzho>s/name/nick/ whatever
21:41<millisa>sunil, setup your linode with https and make the request over https...
21:41<sunil>ok sir, but can we are create ssl certificate on ipaddress
21:41<sunil>without domain name
21:42<dzho>as part of your linode service, you can set up DNS with them.
21:42<dzho>and then use the domain name to get a Let's Encrypt cert
21:42<dwfreed>just use DNS
21:42<dwfreed>everything's easier with DNS
21:42<dzho>that sounds like a 1970s soft drink commercial
21:43<sunil>thanks sir
21:43<dzho>♪ everything's easier with DNS! ♬
21:44<dwfreed>dzho: lol
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