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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-06-01

---Logopened Thu Jun 01 00:00:15 2017
00:05<Eugene>daMaestro - IIRC, the install image was changed at some point to better support distro kernels. I honestly would just migrate to a new node, and take the opportunity to make your system(s) config managed so its erasier to reprovision </2c>
00:05<Eugene>And bravo to you for keeping selinux enabled
00:05<AlexMax>man
00:05<AlexMax>i've been using linux since the 90's
00:06<Eugene>And grub has been shit the whole time?
00:06<AlexMax>and using selinux is still a pain in the neck for me
00:06<Peng>How 'bout that sudo vulnerability
00:06<Eugene>That means its working right. It requires you to be aware of it when doing anything exciting on purpose
00:07<Eugene>CVE-2017-1000367? Meh. If you have a shell on my box I assume you've already won
00:08<AlexMax>isn't CentOS the only distro that actually comes with a decent SELinux configuration out of the box?
00:09<Eugene>Define "decent" :-p
00:10<daMaestro>Eugene, yeah.. we are in the midst of building new nodes
00:10<daMaestro>Eugene, thankfully we are just building distro images so nothing needed to be kept
00:11<daMaestro>Eugene, a fresh f25 image moved over to grub2 boots correctly. strangely i see the same error on the console but the image boots...
00:11<Eugene>Probably just a red herring
00:11<Eugene>I've never known a Red hat box to boot quietly
00:11<daMaestro>;-)
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00:11<daMaestro>yeah, but i don't think it was our fault on this one
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00:12<daMaestro>just glad that a fresh image is booting. that's all we need
00:13<daMaestro>i have no idea why when switching to a pvgrub boot it was failing. fortunately it does not matter.
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00:15<arlen>happy Linode billing day!
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00:17<Peng>Happier for some than for others
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00:18<arlen>:(
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00:19<FluffyFoxeh>oh shit it's that time again
00:19<Peng>D:
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00:20<FluffyFoxeh>wonder if my referral credit ran out yet
00:21<Peng>Guess you'll know soon
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00:56<jm>I lost my cell phone, how do i disable twofactor ~
00:56<Zimsky>find your cell phone
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00:57<Zimsky>I'd say call linode, but that might sound amusing
00:57<Zimsky>if you created a scratch code, use that if you can find it
00:58<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/linode-manager-security-controls#recovery-procedure
01:00<jm>Thx
01:00<jm>bye
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01:01<FluffyFoxeh>I forget where I put my scratch code
01:01<FluffyFoxeh>I forget if I even have a scratch code
01:01<Zimsky>regenerate it and give it to me, I'll look after it for you
01:01<FluffyFoxeh>oh that's real nice of you Zimsky
01:01<Zimsky>that's just the type of person I am
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02:44<theysay>hi, there are plans to add disk space to nodes?
02:46<arlen>there's block storage currently in internal testing
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03:46<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Mysql started malfuctioning after update... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14860&p=73649#p73649>
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03:52<_23>HI,does it has any promotion can be used ?
03:53<_23>anyone is here ?
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03:54<_548797>??
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04:24<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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04:52<pere_>hi
04:52<pere_>Please I need to stop a linode
04:53<pere_>and prevent monthly charges
04:53<pere_>until am ready to start it up
04:53<pere_>how do I go about this
04:53<nate>pere_: Delete the linode
04:53<nate>You get charged whether a lindoe is running or not, because you're reserving that slot
04:53<nate>*linode
04:53<pere_>so I loose my data :(
04:54<nate>Yes. Like I said, you're reserving a slot. It wouldn't be fair to linode for them to not charge you for a slot you're reserving that someone else could be using
04:54<nate>You're not just paying for a running linode, you're paying for a guarenteed instance, running or not
04:55<pere_>ohkay
04:55<pere_>thanks
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04:55<nate>I typoed guaranteed didn't I
04:55*nate is too tired to google it
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05:00<arlen>got it right the second time though
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05:03<nate>I'll take that as a personal victory then
05:03<nate>lol
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05:26<arlen>:D
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08:39<dutleeb>Hello
08:39<Zimsky>Heetlo
08:39<dutleeb>:)
08:39<dutleeb>I just decided to join the linode family
08:39<Zimsky>Welcome to the Jamaican Passport Office
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08:41<dutleeb>Is it possible to upgrade a package ? increase harddrive ? on the fly ?
08:43<Zimsky>I dunno what's on the fly, but if you need more disk space, you have to upgrade to the next plan size
08:43<Zimsky>what kind of fly is it?
08:44<Peng>You can easily upgrade (or downgrade), but you have to turn off your Linode for a few minutes
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08:51<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Linode.com, Linode Manager and Linode API <https://status.linode.com/incidents/pz5vn5yt47l2>
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11:20<King>Hello, who's here?
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11:23<Peng>Hi
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11:25<King>hey Peng, linode customer?
11:25<Peng>Yes :)
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13:02<nyezso>hi
13:02<synfinatic>hola
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13:08<King>any staff available?
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13:10<relidy>!to King ops
13:10<linbot>King: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
13:11<King>I'm aware, relidy.
13:11<King>keyword: available
13:15<@mcintosh>your best bet is to submit a ticket (or, if you don't have a manager account, email support@linode.com) if you need to speak directly with staff
13:15<@mcintosh>you can also call, which is generally the fastest way to speak to a human
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13:31<King>Any other bets on the table?
13:32<King>mcintosh
13:32<King>Hopefully i can get some information from one in PM here.
13:32<King>s/here/from here
13:37<@mcintosh>King: you can PM me
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13:58<Shahzoor>Hello oeople
13:58<Shahzoor>Hello people
13:58<millisa>the robots feel unappreciated. greetings.
13:59<Shahzoor>Who can give me a crash course on Swap Image?
14:00<nbrewer>...what do you want to know about a swap image?
14:00<Shahzoor>A-Z. I dont know what it is. I just have 256 on my Linode. I dont know what is does
14:01<millisa>do you know what your 'pagefile' is on windows?
14:01<Shahzoor>YES!
14:01<millisa>very similar.
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14:01<Shahzoor>WOW! That is the CRASHEST course ever lol
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14:02<nbrewer>https://www.linux.com/news/all-about-linux-swap-space
14:02<Shahzoor>Thanks guys!
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14:02<King>What's the most common distro being used on linodes?
14:02<Shahzoor>What is Distro? LOL...
14:03<King>huh?
14:03<synfinatic>probably ubuntu or centos
14:03<millisa>Shahzoor: https://www.linode.com/distributions
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14:03<Shahzoor>Thanks millisa
14:04<King>I'm using Ubuntu, suddenly heard I'm a noob for using it.
14:04<millisa>folks do come in and ask questions about debian and arch sometimes. there was someone fiddling with a fedora box yesterday.
14:04<King>Beginners choice
14:04<Shahzoor>I'm a noober @King
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14:05<Shahzoor>Is there any app that I can have on my mobile phone for this Channel?
14:05<King>Shahzoor: Android, Windows or iPhone?
14:05<Shahzoor>BlackBerry !!!! LOL
14:06<King>Hmm, try searching "IRC" on the app store.
14:06<Shahzoor>You can suggest Android, coz android apps runs on BlackBerry
14:07<@jfred>it's also bridged through Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#_oftc_#linode:matrix.org
14:07<Shahzoor>Tin Can IRC for BlackBerry. Got it!
14:10<synfinatic>i'm so sorry
14:14<Shahzoor>Guys, so this app asking for Address (ex: irc.freenode.net) and PORT. SSL (check/uncheck).
14:15<millisa>"Use your favorite IRC client to join the #linode channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net)."
14:15<Shahzoor>port? 6667?
14:19<millisa>should work
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14:20<Shahzoorali>Oh wow
14:20<Shahzoor>Thanks millisa
14:21<Shahzoorali>Thanks millisa
14:21<millisa>sure thing. x 2.
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17:40<synfinatic>ugh, i hate debugging weird system pauses
17:41<Zimsky>so don't debug them
17:42<synfinatic>well i foolishly told a co-worker I'd help.
17:42<synfinatic>i'm dumb that way
17:42<Zimsky>feign illness
17:43<synfinatic>well he is remote...
17:43<Zimsky>you work with a remote?
17:43<@jleal>feign connectivity issues :evilgrin:
17:43*jleal runs
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17:46<Zimsky>":evilgrin:"
17:46<Zimsky>was that supposed to be something
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17:47<@jleal>Zimsky: lazy mans ascii art
17:47<@jleal>:D
17:48<Zimsky>ఠ_ఠ
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17:52<cjnatan>hello
17:55<arlen>hi
17:55<Cromulent>hi
17:55<arlen>hello
17:58<cjnatan>Are there free trials available with linode? I am currently reviewing 2 cloud providers and want to review Linode as the 3rd comparison
17:58<@mcintosh>we don't offer trials but there is a 7-day money back guarantee when you signup
18:06<zifnab>can i repeatedly do 7 day trials
18:07<zifnab>that actually sound slike too much work now that i think about it
18:07<synfinatic>well that was ironic... a bunch of us were just kicked off the network...
18:07<zifnab>automation isn't that good...
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18:20<Ikaros>I'm getting pretty tired of this, coming home and finding my Linode randomly in a powered off state.
18:20<Ikaros>Anyone know what Linode kernels do in the event of a panic?
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18:23<FluffyFoxeh>probably nothing different than normal kernels, but I don't know what normal kernels do either
18:23<FluffyFoxeh>do they reboot?
18:24<Ikaros>No, otherwise 'logview' would show that occurring (I think, anyway).
18:24<FluffyFoxeh>I'm surprised they'd end up powered off in any case though. do you have lassie enabled?
18:25<Ikaros>Yeah but the problem is I need to figure out WHY it's doing that in the first place.
18:25<Ikaros>And no it isn't
18:25<Ikaros>'cause I've been trying to catch it in the act
18:25<FluffyFoxeh>ah
18:25<zifnab>last_kmesg/last_dmesg any use?
18:25<Ikaros>Nope.
18:25<FluffyFoxeh>are those commands?
18:25<zifnab>erm, /sys/fs/pstore?
18:25<zifnab>there'd be a console/ramoops for a panic on newer kernels (i think?)
18:26<Ikaros>This is what's totally bizarre about it, there is absolutely nothing in any of the log files to show anything went wrong in the first place.
18:26<Ikaros>And logview shows nothing but the boot sequence for the current boot
18:26<zifnab>FluffyFoxeh: nope, kernel logs for previous boot used to be written to /proc/last_kmsg, it was moved to /proc/fs/pstore/ramoops in recent history
18:26<Ikaros>This is while it's still powered off btw
18:26<zifnab>systemd journal empty of anything useful?
18:27<zifnab>(i'm grasping at straws)
18:27<Ikaros>Yeah I'm going to have to boot it to get at that, but let me just save the logview output for the current boot so I have that for my records.
18:28<Eliz>erm, /var/crash maybe?
18:28<zifnab>i ran into fun problems last night
18:28<zifnab>mysql's apparmor went from complaining to enforcing for some reason on a box
18:28<Eliz>Ikaros: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html
18:28<zifnab>pages of [ 3596.015638] audit: type=1400 audit(1496294584.213:165): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/proc/6157/status" pid=6157 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=109 ouid=109
18:30<Zimsky>Ikaros: wipe, rebuild, and replicate configuration?
18:30<Zimsky>though that mightn't lead you to the actual problem
18:30<Zimsky>the knowledge of which could be beneficial
18:31<Ikaros>Zimsky: I may just roll my own kernel using the Linode kernel config but options turned on to do extensive debugging.
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18:31<Remo>Hello
18:31<zifnab>its me
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18:31<Zimsky>no it's zifnab
18:31<zifnab>i've been wondering if after all this time you'd like to meet
18:32<Remo>Lol
18:32<Remo>I need help making a decision..between Digitalocean
18:32<Zimsky>zifnab: this isn't the dell support channel
18:32<zifnab>Zimsky: can we go over...everthing?
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18:32<Zimsky>everthing? maybe
18:32<Zimsky>lol
18:32<Zimsky>look what you did
18:33<zifnab>there's such a difference between us
18:33<Zimsky>linode vs DO? that's not a decision
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18:33<zifnab>and a million miles?
18:33<zifnab>it is - they don't have bw caps
18:33<zifnab>abuse the fuck out of them
18:33<King>Remo: you think anyone here would suggest using digitalocean?
18:33<zifnab>he's dead jim
18:34<King>ah..just notice
18:34<Zimsky>the song I'm playing now is "Who's joe?"
18:34<King>My mIRC sucks, i got nickalerted on "making"
18:34<King>So thought I'd at least respond.
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18:34<Zimsky>hello remo
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18:35<King>Yo_Mama: do you think anyone here would suggest using digitalocean?
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18:35<Zimsky>lol
18:35<Zimsky>King: tbh this is "community discussion" rather than "everyone here is a representative of linode LLC"
18:36<King>And you think I don't know that? alright.
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18:36<King>I do see what you mean though.
18:36<Ikaros>Hm.
18:36<Ikaros>/proc/sys/kernel/panic = 5
18:37*Ikaros makes that 0
18:37<Ikaros>So no rebooting
18:37<Ikaros>And perhaps if it pulls that stunt again I can see wth happened
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18:42<aznadesign>hi everyone
18:42<aznadesign>i need help
18:42<Ikaros>Just ask then
18:43<synfinatic>sadly i dropped out of mind reading school
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18:43<aznadesign>I sign up and pay 5$ and i wait for confirmation email that active my account
18:43<aznadesign>now i want to login and say me invalid username or pass and does not send forgot pass email
18:44<synfinatic>did you get the email confirmation yet?
18:44<arlen>email or call them
18:44<arlen>!contact
18:44<aznadesign>confirmation for pay, not for active account
18:44<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
18:44<synfinatic>^^^^^ +1
18:45<synfinatic>this is more of a community technical support forum
18:45<Eliz>!ops
18:45<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
18:45<Eliz>!botsnack
18:45<linbot>Thanks, Eliz! Om nom nom
18:46<aznadesign>in linode account accept by human?
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18:47<arlen>if it requires more verification, yes
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19:25<zifnab>we're jus there to make fun of Zimsky
19:25<zifnab>or at least i am
19:25<zifnab>damned australians
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20:03<NSGSkeeter>Hello.
20:03<MrPPS>hey hey
20:03<NSGSkeeter>What's up?
20:04<MrPPS>Just modifying my backup scripts for a couple of servers; how about you?
20:05<NSGSkeeter>Having some trouble with CPU usage.
20:05<NSGSkeeter>Using about 90% right now.
20:06<NSGSkeeter>I am running a game server that has about 20 players right now. Just upgraded to the 20 a month linode, and still drawing a lot.
20:07<MrPPS>is it the game server software itself that's using it all up?
20:07<MrPPS>possible that the game server will use as much as it can, perhaps?
20:07<NSGSkeeter>Perhaps, although I am not sure if my case should be drawing that much CPU. I imagine other users draw a lot more off their Linode then I do.
20:08<NSGSkeeter>Do you know what kinds of CPUs Linode uses? The generation or such.
20:09<NSGSkeeter>Because it may be that I need to migrate hosts as much as I love Linode, but I am not sure if that will honestly fix my problem.
20:17<MrPPS>NSGSkeeter: you can check easy enough
20:17<MrPPS>cat /proc/cpuinfo
20:19<Peng>They have multiple generations of hardware in service, though.
20:22<MrPPS>Yeah, that'll just let you know what you're using at the time, NSGSkeeter
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20:24<NSGSkeeter>I don't imagine it's that I have a bad CPU sadly, though I wish it was because it would mean it wasn't me. Anyone else here running a game server on their Linode?
20:28<@jleal>I've had a few quake/7dtd/minecraft servers they are usually fairly resource hungry, do you know what processes are using your CPU?
20:28<@jleal>minecraft especially, thing leaks like a strainer
20:28<@jleal>lol
20:30<@jleal>ps/top/htop can help you in this regard
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20:30<@jleal>https://www.linode.com/docs/uptime/monitoring/top-htop-iotop
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20:46<NSGSkeeter>I'm using a garrysmod server. I've got around 20+ players right now with a max of 32.
20:47<NSGSkeeter>Lagging like hell right now too.
20:47<NSGSkeeter>Is there maybe a better host option?
20:47<NSGSkeeter>Perhaps Linode isn't the sever host for me.
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20:57<@jleal>Linode is well suited to your needs, but the real question is whats utilizing your vcpu - were you able to read the link above about identifying this? :D
20:59<@jleal>Lagging alone doesn't necessarily mean that your CPU-bound either, for what its worth, it could also be the connection between your users and your Linode https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnostics/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
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21:15<Saqib>Hii there? Is it possible to map php and Node Js on the same hosting?
21:17<MrPPS>Saqib: there is no restriction on being able to run php + node simultaneously
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21:28<NSGSkeeter>I figure it may be my game server, what does that link provide?
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21:32<MrPPS>NSGSkeeter: The second link provides a tutorial on diagnosing network issues with the mtr utility
21:32<MrPPS>in case it's a network latency issue rather than game server latency issue
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21:46<NSGSkeeter>What do I do if it is a network latency problem?
21:48<arlen>redo the entire internet
21:48<FluffyFoxeh>invent subspace communication
21:50<arlen>did you check what's using your cpu? https://www.linode.com/docs/uptime/monitoring/top-htop-iotop
21:50<Peng>If an ISP is doing egregiously badly, you can complain to them. (Whether it's your home ISP, Linode, or an ISP in the middle.)
21:50<Peng>You can also move, either yourself or your Linode.
21:50<NSGSkeeter>Yes, my gameserver is what's drawing all the CPU.
21:50<NSGSkeeter>100% CPU usage.
21:50<NSGSkeeter>Lots of lag on the game server.
21:52<FluffyFoxeh>that'd be the first thing I'd look at rather than network latency
21:53<FluffyFoxeh>which may not even be possible to measure accurately if the CPU is pegged
21:54<NSGSkeeter>Well, I have a dual core CPU on my Linode, htop is telling me one is at 100%, while the other is at about 2.6%
21:54<FluffyFoxeh>hm
21:54<NSGSkeeter>I don't think Gmod is capable of using the additional core.
21:54<FluffyFoxeh>probably not
21:54<NSGSkeeter>So if I am drawing a lot from the CPU, and we know Gmod is only using one core, what now?
21:55<FluffyFoxeh>well maybe gmod is just inefficient and there's not much you can do
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21:55<Phuc>hello
21:55<MrPPS>hey Phuc
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21:57<Phuc> I use the visa card to confirm the registration but the card is not invalid card number. I have used this card to register many services
21:57<NSGSkeeter>I know that there are many sucessful gmod servers out there, and if Gmod refuses to use the additional core, does this mean that maybe I have to consider leaving Linode?
21:58<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know, I've never run a gmod server. I don't know what can be done about single core performance, if that is indeed the problem
21:58<MrPPS>NSGSkeeter: not sure, but I'd imagine there's a way to make it multithreaded
21:58<MrPPS>at this stage
21:59<Phuc>my account My account is hoang29.phuc@gmail.com
21:59<MrPPS>Phuc: are you saying you tried to use your visa card for confirmation, but that you weren't confirmed?
21:59<MrPPS>I thought Linode required photo ID
21:59<Phuc>that right
22:00<MrPPS>I had to provide photo ID
22:00<MrPPS>about 8 years ago
22:00<MrPPS>not sure if it's still the same
22:00<MrPPS>NSGSkeeter: quick google search does actually suggest gmod servers are single core only
22:00<MrPPS>:/
22:01<NSGSkeeter>MrPPS: If it does, am I SOL?
22:01<MrPPS>not sure if there's software to make single-core software use multiple cores without the original software being aware of it
22:01<MrPPS>there may be
22:01<MrPPS>or maybe someone's modded a version of gmod server to support it
22:01<MrPPS>but if not, then possibly out of luck yeah
22:01<MrPPS>like I said - very quick google search
22:01<Phuc>i dont understand @@
22:02<MrPPS>I'm at work so can't spend too long doing it - but you may find someone out there who's done it
22:02<MrPPS>Phuc: Did you try to verify your account, and you failed the verification?
22:02<nate>I'm getting a feeling that Phuc sent them a picture of the visa card, not an ID
22:02<MrPPS>yeah
22:02<MrPPS>Phuc: Linode requires verification with an ID (Drivers license for example), not your Visa card
22:03<Phuc>@@
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22:03<nate>Phuc: The TL;DR of it is, something probably caused their fraud system to trip. Th...
22:03<nate>okay
22:03<nate>lol
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>[22:01:30] <MrPPS> not sure if there's software to make single-core software use multiple cores without the original software being aware of it
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>that is not possible
22:04<MrPPS>FluffyFoxeh: with the wonders of virtualisation, I wasn't sure :)
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22:05<nate>Well you can at least usually make the compile of a program multi-core though :P
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>well, yes
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>:p
22:08<MrPPS>so if we make the running of the software
22:08<MrPPS>look like compilation in realtime
22:08<MrPPS>problem solved!
22:08<MrPPS>:D
22:10<NSGSkeeter>Yup, confirmed my suspicions. Gmod doesn't support multi-threading. LUA code doesn't either, hence why Gmod doesn't.
22:10<NSGSkeeter>Well....anyone know any good Gmod server hosts?
22:11<NSGSkeeter>That sucks though, I really like Linode, and would hate to have to move, but I gotta do what I gotta do I guess.
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22:11<FluffyFoxeh>meh, I don't really think this is a problem with Linode
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22:51<Q3Man>question about the linode backup... is it prorated if I cancel it part way through a month, or is it non-refundable for the month once I turn it on?
22:57<arlen>it's hourly up to the monthly fee
22:57<arlen>so you'd only be billed for the hours you had it
22:58<arlen>hourly rate is listed for each plan at https://www.linode.com/backups
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