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---Logopened Wed Jun 14 00:00:33 2017
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00:18<Purvesh>Hi
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00:19<Purvesh>Does you all plan provide root access/ssh access?
00:20<MrPPS>Yes
00:20<MrPPS>All plans provide you a full virtual server
00:20<MrPPS>Which includes root access + ssh + whatever else you install yourself
00:20<AlexMax>what about root access to the virual server host?
00:20<AlexMax>(jk :P)
00:20<Purvesh>Are those included with cPanel?
00:21<MrPPS>Purvesh: cPanel isn't included by default; these are unmanaged/bare bones server installs
00:21<MrPPS>You are welcome to install cPanel yourself if you have a license for it, of course
00:22<Purvesh>ok
00:22<Purvesh>Thanks for your information
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01:46<linode>hello
01:46<linode>someone in
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01:47<Guest2363>ok
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01:47<Guest2363>i need help
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01:49<MrPPS>*sigh*
01:49<MrPPS>They never just ask
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02:03<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • DNS not propagating for subdomain/s <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14895&p=73741#p73741>
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02:23<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • need fully-qualified hostname; <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14903&p=73742#p73742>
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02:49<jim_>hi
02:49<jim_>anybody here ?
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03:58<rosdiana>i want ask about personal service..about the server pricing
03:59<rosdiana>sorry, the price of professional services
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04:02<arlen>depends on what you want them to do
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04:02<arlen>here's no set price, you'll need to contact them and ask for a quote
04:02<arlen>there's *
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04:10<Sikander>Hi
04:11<Sikander>Is Linode provides cpanel with the VPS server?
04:12<kyhwana>Sikander: no, unless you buy the managed service
04:12<Sikander>How much managed service costs?
04:13<kyhwana>linode.com/pricing
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04:34<JamesTK>!pricing
04:34<linbot>https://www.linode.com/pricing
04:34<JamesTK>!kyhwana
04:34<JamesTK>Damnit.
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05:02<Pep>hey guys
05:02<Pep>is it possible to get extra ip's?
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05:05<ponas>!ips
05:05<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
05:05<nate>IPv4? Technically yes, but it requires significantly decent reasoning
05:06<ponas>I'm not even sure how to justify that these days
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05:08<Pep>i'll be running 3 distinct dns servers
05:09<Pep>i guess it's easier to just buy 3 linodes then
05:09<Peng>I don't suppose going IPv6 only is practical
05:09<Pep>it'll be ipv4 and ipv6
05:10<Pep>because i need to server both types of clients
05:10<Pep>*serve
05:10<Peng>As does everyone, outside of certain specialized circumstances.
05:10<Peng>You know Linode can do secondary DNS, right?
05:11<Pep>how do you mean?
05:11<Peng>Linode provides secondary DNS hosting.
05:12<Peng>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview
05:12<Pep>is that on their page somewhere?
05:12<Pep>ahh thankjs
05:12<Pep>oh ok, that's probably not going to work for me
05:12<Peng>Why not?
05:12<Peng>If you don't mind, what *are* you doing? 3 DNS servers!?
05:12<Pep>basically it's a dns ad blocker
05:13<Pep>each server has varying grades of agresiveness
05:13<Peng>Ah.
05:13<Peng>That actually makes sense.
05:13<Pep>i have scripts which colate the hostnames etc for dnsmasq
05:14<Pep>although i'm a bit confused about how t-mobile US is going to handle it...
05:14<Pep>basically they switched to a ipv6 only stack
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05:14<Pep>if the phone resolves an ipv4 only domain, it resolves as a nat'd address on their nat64gw
05:15<Pep>so directing to my dns it will resolve ipv4 only or a mapped ipv4 address which a t-mobile phone won't be able to route :/
05:18<Pep> anyway any rec omendations on the best linode location to serve most of the US with a secondary airm to keep latency for europe and then asia lower
05:18<Pep>i guess east coast?
05:19<Peng>You can't have low latency to the entire world with one location. :P
05:19<Pep>yeah of course :)
05:19<Pep>but in that order US, europe, asia
05:19<Pep>i guess east coast is the best spot?
05:19<Peng>Ignoring Asia, yes.
05:20<Peng>Your use case actually makes sense, more or less (i'm not personally a big fan of DNS-based blocking) but i have no idea if Linode is willing to hand out IPv4 IPs for DNS projects.
05:21<Peng>You realize long-distance DNS is also problematic vis-a-vis CDNs
05:21<Pep>yeah
05:22<Pep>but this is for mobile clients
05:22<Pep>and they won't notice much
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05:49<grunfes>hello there
05:49<grunfes>is someone using linode for news websites?
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06:07<JamesTK>I was going to link them to the Onion
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07:10<praetorian>JamesTK: i was in your old office the other day
07:10<praetorian>:p
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07:26<JamesTK>DP's new office?
07:27<JamesTK>praetorian: I'll be based in 2 Park Street from next week ;)
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07:30<praetorian>DP's new office, which is just your old office
07:30<praetorian>dunno where to 2 park is
07:30<praetorian>do you keep changing jobs? cant you hold a job down
07:30<praetorian>:p
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09:40<vacha>Hello
09:40<vacha>Can i order a configurable server configuration
09:40<vacha>?
09:43<Celti>Linode does not allow customising plans at this time
09:44<praetorian>All linodes come in one colour.
09:45<vacha>tnx]
09:45<praetorian>welcome
09:46<vacha>can i buy add 3 ip?
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09:57<Igor>Я смогу говорить на русском?
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10:12<nbrewer>vacha: you have to open a ticket and provide justification for additional IPv4 addresses
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10:18-!-ChanServ changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Discussion | https://www.linode.com | https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14904 | Linode REST API - Early Access: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14885
10:19-!-ChanServ changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Discussion | https://www.linode.com | Linode Block Storage - Early Access: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14904 | Linode REST API - Early Access: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14885
10:20<jeremiah>FWIW, the reason the boot hung had nothing to do with systemd time outs on /dev/sdb
10:21<jeremiah>I had enabled TIPC in the kernel and it was not fully configured, it was a project I had left half-done and got distracted.
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10:21<jeremiah>Disabling TIPC got me a clean boot
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10:22*jeremiah note to self: document your projects in the log book
10:25<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage - Early Access <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14906&p=73743#p73743>
10:27<trippeh>boggle
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10:28<@jleal>Block Storage?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!! :O
10:29*jleal jumps on it
10:29*jhaas wonders if people jumping on storage boxes was part of BS internal testing
10:29<linbot>\o/
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10:33<grawity>awesome but also aww, Newark only
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10:55<synfinatic>wow. "really really soon" was like "tomorrow". who knew?
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10:59<MajObviousman>but for months it was soon
10:59<@jfred>Soon™
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11:01<Peng>The trademark will be registered Soon™
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12:51<@mcintosh>Eugene: you're g2g
12:51<Eugene><4
12:52<DanielNM>It's a good day to be Linodin'
12:52<Woet>!lick Eugene
12:52<linbot>Woet: Point given to eugene. (24)
12:56*Eugene tastes of fresh cat https://goo.gl/photos/msiyU9NKhTnGAKiz7
13:02<Eugene>Can volumes be hot-attached? I'm thinking about drbd+vpn alternatives
13:03<grawity>the forum post says yes
13:04<Eugene>Oh there it is, in the paragraph
13:04<Eugene>Neat.
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13:07<grawity>hmm
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13:38<zifnab>apparently there's an apiv4 beta too
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13:39*zifnab waits for the beta invite
13:39*zifnab blames Eugene
13:39<@mcintosh>zifnab: want enrolled in both?
13:39<zifnab>mcintosh: sure
13:39<@mcintosh>kk
13:39<zifnab>accountid is 'tompowell'
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13:40<zifnab>which, you know, changing it from 'zifnab' so people wouldn't know it, doesn't work, if i post it in irc
13:40<millisa>weird that we have the same accountid
13:40<zifnab>yeah, strange
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13:41<zifnab>did you also make a horrible pun when you opened your ticket
13:41<zifnab>i actually feel bad
13:41<millisa>Did you say "I am interested in all the BS you've been advertising"?
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13:41<zifnab>"Beta me up, captain"
13:41<zifnab>i dont' know why
13:41<zifnab>it sounded clever in my head
13:41<zifnab>it sounds worse now
13:42<zifnab>i should be working, need to get elasticsearch set up, have....zero interest :(
13:42<millisa>i should be working too. but I'm *this* close to getting to attach my first volume
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13:43<millisa>I like that there's a view all volumes and a place under the linode to show the volumes associated to this specific node
13:46<zifnab>i was just asked if i remembered a database thing someone was talking about that used sockets
13:46<zifnab>i can't even
13:46<Eugene>Meanwhile, I am actually working
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13:46<Eugene>Mostly because I don't want to move Jack to Newark right now
13:46<zifnab>i'm reading about a naked man
13:46<zifnab>who was tackled in eastlake
13:47<Eugene>How do you know i'm naked
13:47<zifnab>http://mynorthwest.com/662128/i-tackled-a-naked-man-on-eastlake/
13:47<zifnab>was this you?
13:47<zifnab>i hope not, i didn't bail you out of jail
13:50<millisa>The volume limit per linode is 8? I'm getting " Couldn't find room in the most recently-booted config profile for this volume. Please add this volume to your configuration profile manually." when attaching volume 7
13:51<dwfreed>millisa: assumes you have no local disks
13:51<millisa>The 8 limit is total block devices, including the local disk/swap?
13:51<dwfreed>presumably yes
13:51<dwfreed>you can boot a Linode with just BS devices
13:51<Woet>bullshit devices
13:51<millisa>I missed that aspect. that is very nifty
13:52<zifnab>that...makes this whole thing worth it
13:52<millisa>linode upgrades get much more interesting
13:52<zifnab>yeah, should be able to do it live?
13:52<zifnab>or, close to live*
13:52<zifnab>i was actually thinking STONITH
13:52<millisa>it still may want to move you to a new host I'm assuming
13:53<dwfreed>spin a new linode, unmount your data volume on the old, mount it on the new
13:53<zifnab>well, just add a new box, detach the disk, attach it in the new place
13:53<millisa>still, migration is as slow as your disk data it moves . .if you have no local disk data to move, the downtime might only be a few moments, even on huge cpu nodes?
13:53<zifnab>and boot
13:53<zifnab>test it out
13:53<millisa>and here I thought I was only going to spin up 1 test newark node.
13:54<dwfreed>5 nodes and 10 hours later, you realize it's almost midnight and you haven't eaten yet
13:54<millisa>i have some dehydrated bacon in reach.
13:55<zifnab>scsi backend? /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_root.
13:55<zifnab>iscsi*
13:55<dwfreed>zifnab: Linode uses virtio-scsi, so it's scsi anyway
13:55<zifnab>right
13:56<dwfreed>regardless of what the backend is
13:56<zifnab>initial missing feature: can't deploy an image to a volume
13:56<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Block storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=13918&p=73749#p73749>
13:58<zifnab>also, is 'reboot into rescue mode' not supported until you do a deploy?
13:59<dwfreed>technically, yes
13:59<zifnab>oh, it requires local disks
13:59<dwfreed>you can, however, make a config profile that consists of the finnix iso and initrd
14:00<zifnab>k, well, time to try this
14:00<zifnab>thanks
14:06<Peng>https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/875044535470088192
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14:07<zifnab>well, here goes nothing
14:10<zifnab>i'm happy, i've booted from a volume
14:11<zifnab>with a 24gb swap image
14:11*millisa has also booted from a block store volume. centos7.
14:12<zifnab>this was a ubuntu cloudimg
14:12<zifnab>i mean, its not successful
14:12<zifnab>but who's counting
14:13<millisa>deployed a 2gb image of centos7 to a local disk, booted a finnix config profile that had the local and block store, then dd'd the local to the block store. rebooted to a new profile with just the block store as /dev/sda and still using the local swap
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14:14<millisa>occasionally the block store disk would disappear from the profile. it just had the drop down at the blank entry as if I hadn't selected it
14:14<millisa>haven't managed to reproduce it reliably yet
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14:15<zifnab>also the betas dont' play nice together
14:15<zifnab>if you open the api beta, you lose access to volumes
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14:19<zifnab>wonder what the throughput is like if you were to raid0 a bunch of these volumes
14:19*zifnab goes and tests that
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14:20<@mcintosh>zifnab: what do you mean by "if you open the api beta, you lose access to volumes" ?
14:21<zifnab>mcintosh: cloud.linode.com doesn't appear to have volumes, 'lose access to' is incorrect, they're still int he old manager
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14:21<dwfreed>just that the new API doesn't know about them yet
14:21<zifnab>yeah
14:21<@mcintosh>ah - yes, support hasn't been added in those places yet but it's coming
14:21<zifnab>and it appears if you edit/save a configuration, the old manager loses them in the configuration as well
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14:21<zifnab>which is fine, idgaf really
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14:22<millisa>does the bottom 'Blocks/sec' IO graph on a linode's dashboard only account for local storage io?
14:22<zifnab>i also seem to have found a bug
14:22<zifnab>mostly, can't attach more than one volume to this linode
14:23<zifnab>works fine from anywhere that isn't 'attach'
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14:24<@peaton>zifnab: are you saying you saved a config in the new manager and it removed the volume from the config on the classic manager?
14:24<zifnab>i...think so? let me retry to verify
14:24<@peaton>kk, I wouldn't be suprised
14:24<zifnab>sorry, i'm clicking too many buttons atm
14:24<@peaton>The new manager / api really aren't aware of block storage at all
14:24<@peaton>(yet) :D
14:24<@peaton>I'll make an issue for the attaching multiple volumes bug, thank you
14:25<@mcintosh>i couldn't reproduce that fwiw
14:25<zifnab>it did not this time around
14:25<zifnab>so, i'm not sure what i did
14:25<@peaton>the multiple volumes bug mcintosh?
14:25<@mcintosh>indeed, but easily possible i was doing something different
14:25<zifnab>i am, however, unable to attach volumes from the volumes page to this linode
14:25<zifnab>it spins up an error page, assuming you guys have logs somewhere
14:26<zifnab>repro steps: create instance, remove swap, create volume, select instance in 'attach', get error page
14:26<zifnab>you can add it in the config just fine though
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14:28<zifnab>unsuprisingly - volumes are ~2/3 the speed of local ssds
14:29<zifnab>~1GB/s vs ~700MB/s
14:29<zifnab>guessing that depends on a ton of arbitrary factors
14:29<dwfreed>aye
14:30<Peng>For example, how many other people are benchmarking it at the same time as you :P
14:31<zifnab>also, unsuprisingly
14:31<zifnab>if i have 7 volumes and raid0 them
14:31<zifnab>i get ~2GB/s
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14:34<millisa>also unsurprising - linodes backups of a no-local-disk linode works just like they said (it doesn't backup). but on the plus side, it doesn't error; just says 'No images to back up' when you try it :)
14:34<dwfreed>yep
14:34<zifnab>can't tell if this is actually faster or not
14:35<@caker>thanks for messing with this millisa - much appreciated
14:35<zifnab>hdparm says yes, dd says no
14:35<@caker>and zifnab :)
14:35<zifnab>caker: i love fucking up your betas
14:35<@caker>+1
14:35<zifnab>its like a past time
14:35<millisa>it does show a 'Failed' for the backup in the Host Job Queue. which is fine.
14:36<zifnab>mdstat is angry
14:36<zifnab>lol
14:36<zifnab>whoops killed all the volumes
14:37<zifnab>k, actual work time
14:38<millisa>like 'rescue->rescue mode', 'rescue->reset root password' doesn't work with a block store only linode.
14:41<millisa>resize of a 1024 linode to a 2048 linode, block store only, took ~1 min from it shutting down to me clicking the boot button. and it worked just fine
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14:41<millisa>that's just all sorts of exciting.
14:42<zifnab>nice
14:42<millisa>resizing back down took ~15 seconds
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14:43<@caker>actual work being done there is probably subsecond. You're just waiting for the next job pickup ... something I have an idea to greatly improve
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14:44<millisa>might even be browser delays in there too. the host job queue entries say 'took 3 seconds, took 0 seconds and took 1 second' for shutdown, initial config, migration cleanup respectively
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16:07<Rehmat>Hi, anyone there?
16:08<linbot>hello
16:09<Rehmat>Not sure either it is a bot or a human ;)
16:10<synfinatic>nobody here he, except us bots
16:11<Rehmat>Sorry, I'm using the interface for the first time
16:11<Rehmat>I see a link about block storage early access
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16:11<Rehmat>Is block storage being rolled out?
16:11<synfinatic>it's in beta
16:11<Rehmat>Cool.
16:12<Rehmat>Is there a way to request an early access?
16:12<synfinatic>read the link
16:12<Rehmat>I don't have access to the page
16:12<@caker>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14904 <--
16:12<Rehmat>Even after signing in
16:12<@caker>bah, wrong lknk
16:12<@caker>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14906
16:13<Rehmat>Ah, thank you :)
16:13<@caker>fixing....
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16:17<@mcintosh>!boo mcintosh
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17:31<hdb2>hey everyone - so I'm looking at moving my company's linode account to hourly billing. I'm reading all of the info and it seems pretty straight-forward but I wanted to ask: has anyone run into any "gotchas"? (most of our linodes are simple web servers but we have a few large db servers)
17:35<millisa>there were a few folks that had some good prepay annual deals; unless you have one of those, there's probably not going to be a difference
17:36<millisa>when you spinup a new node, the old non-hourly stuff would immediately bill you for what was remaining in the month I think?
17:36<millisa>so if you'd spin up a node, spin it down a day later, you'd get this weird set of bill/credit things on the credit card. that goes away with hourly since you just pay for the hours its up
17:37<millisa>well, hours it is provisioned.
17:37<hdb2>millisa: yes, the one-off bills are the main reason I want to change it. since we don't have any annual deals, hourly billing looks like a good way to go. thanks for chiming in!
17:37<millisa>you also get access to the high memory instances
17:38<millisa>the cheap $5 instance was on hourly only, too, I think?
17:38<hdb2>millisa: yea, the high-memory stuff looks good too :)
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17:39<millisa>unless it changed from the last one I did, I think it tells you how much it's crediting your account when it converts to hourly
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17:40<millisa>(so it doesn't go back to the card like the spindown stuff)
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18:06<Eliz>!eugenekay
18:06<linbot>http://i.imgur.com/wPvtNDk.png
18:07<Woet>Mark is fed up with you
18:08<Eliz>Woet: he hardly was, it was really funny when that happened tbh lol
18:08<Eliz>that was May 23 2013, jesus
18:08<Eliz>4 years ago now
18:08<Woet>is that Eugene Eugene?
18:08<Woet>the one and only
18:08<Woet>or is it you
18:09<Eliz>Woet: Eliz-abeth
18:09<Eliz>not me, that's Eugene
18:09<Woet>still linodin' every day
18:09<Eliz>back then he was EugeneK lol
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18:51<zifnab>obviously Eliz is short for Elizeugene
18:51<zifnab>pronounced elizagene
18:52<zifnab>i've been here too long
18:52<zifnab>!vend
18:52<zifnab>RIP
19:00<@mcintosh>!vend zifnab
19:00*linbot smacks you
19:00<@mcintosh>lol'd
19:00<zifnab>mcintosh: how's being the resident ginger
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19:03<irCurts>Howdy, I am having problems getting the results I wantes. I am inexperienced and am not even sure I understand well enough to phrase a lot of smart questions yet. I am trying to do an ubuntu 16.04lts based LAMP stack then follow it up with a drupal 8 install.
19:04<irCurts>I been at this for about 5 or 6 days now. I have tried both using guides as well as stack scripts. always some issue though.
19:04<millisa>sounds like a reasonable thing. what are you having issues with?
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19:05<irCurts>most recent off a stack script promissing both, can't seem to sort out clean URLs
19:05<irCurts>after trying for some hours to read docs and sort it... I choose continue anyways and it fails with the database stage.
19:07<millisa>are you getting a specific error?
19:07<irCurts>none that I recorded for reference... but yes.
19:08<irCurts>Kind of what I am hoping to find in here is someone to to private chat with and kind of hold my hand through the whole process.... big ask huh?
19:08<millisa>Yeah, you probably won't get that.
19:08<millisa>but if you start with something like this guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
19:08<millisa>and then get stuck at a step, you can likely give the specific error and spot you are stuck at and someone would have input
19:08<irCurts>I get though that well enough to see the apache2 page and a phpinfo()
19:09<millisa>what about the optional part where it has you do a phptest that connects to the database?
19:09<irCurts>I have had that work for me also.
19:09<millisa>ok, that sounds like you were getting throught he lamp stack setup ok. if it was saying the db connection was successful, you are threw most of the hard parts
19:10<millisa>s/threw/through/
19:11<millisa>Did you move on to this guide after that: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/install-and-configure-drupal-8
19:11<irCurts>I may of screwed up stuff trying to sort the stupid clean urls. After visting install.php, set language, test. fails clear urls
19:11<irCurts>yep the very ones I follow
19:11<irCurts>both of those.
19:12<irCurts>once I was getting some super weird error lemme check my web search history for it.
19:14<irCurts>handle($request); $response->send(); $kernel->terminate($request, $response);
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19:15<millisa>that was showing up on the 'verify requirements' page during the initial drupal setup?
19:15<irCurts>I got it both when following guides as well as with stackscript install
19:16<irCurts>no... that is on some failed attempts where I get that instead of the instal.php dialog I expect
19:16<millisa>that just looks like php not getting processed.
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19:16<irCurts>Yeah... what my searches kind of say about it.
19:17<millisa>why don't you go through that ubuntu16.04 setup guide again. get it to the point through the optional test where it says that the database connection was successful.
19:17<irCurts>should I go after some other CMS than Drupal? (NOT WP)
19:17<millisa>if you get stuck in that guide, stop, hop in here and ask about the specific step you are stuck on. I'm wagering you'll get through it fine.
19:18<millisa>then go through that second doc and do the same. if you get stuck, stop where you are stuck and ask in here while you are in a state that we can check things, look at logs, etc.
19:18<irCurts>LAMP is pretty easy. all of it.
19:18<millisa>My gut feeling is your cleanurl issue was probably just mod rewrite not being installed or not running (but couldn't say for sure without some log entries or something to go with it)
19:19<millisa>the other error, I'm wagering won't come up if you can get through that initial lamp guide and have the php test work correctly
19:19<irCurts>I was soooo careful each time. I know that mod rewrite can be weird from past experiences (shared hosting accounts)
19:20<irCurts>ok im out of here to give it another go. thanks for your time :))
19:20<millisa>sure thing. hop back in here if you get stuck on one of those guides
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19:32<Eugene>No, I'm Spartacus
19:32<dzho>spartacus never linoded
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19:40<arlen>that's kind of her
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20:17<irCurts>prepatory to the LAMP stack on ubuntu 16.04: should /etc/hosts have a line 12.34.56.78 hostname and then a second line 12.34.56.78 hostname.example.com hostname
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20:18<millisa>your hosts file is just going to be something your linode looks at when doing it's own name lookups. It shouldn't matter for your lamp stack or drupal setup.
20:18<millisa>but normally it'd be one IP on the line, then whatever hosts you want to match that IP all on that same line
20:19<millisa>so 12.34.56.78 yourserver yourserver.yourdomain.com someothernamethatmakesyouhappy
20:19<irCurts>gotcha, thanks
20:19<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started#update-etchosts is your reference
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20:54<irCurts>Ok this may be one part of the process where I got messed up...
20:54<millisa>What part is that?
20:54<irCurts>https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04 configure virtual hosts.
20:54<irCurts>2. blah blah and add a Directory block before </VirtualHost>:
20:55<irCurts>that is not clear to me.
20:56<millisa>hm. that actually looks off to me.
20:56<irCurts>literally before the line that is </VirtualHost>: insert that block?
20:56<irCurts>yeah.. I tried it that way once... fail fail fail...
20:56<millisa>I don't know that it particularly matters for what they are using it for, but I usually put a directory block inside the <virtualhost> </virtualhost> section if it's just for that specific site.
20:57<millisa>for that matter, i usually put it right below the 'DocumentRoot' so i can eyeball the paths and make sure they match up
20:57<irCurts>I got errors doing that I think. specifically "silly dont put that inside the other thing likethat."
20:58<millisa>it's valid inside the virtualhost context: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#directory
20:58<irCurts>ok ty ima have a look at that
20:59<irCurts>so basically I merge that block off the guide into my .com.conf file? I dont really add whole blocks?
21:03<millisa>something more like this: https://vomitb.in/sqV7SwsHmu
21:03<millisa>(that includes the rewrite and allowoverride stuff from the drupal doc)
21:04<irCurts>supah cool :)) ty vm
21:06<millisa>er, without the duplicated 'require all granted'
21:06<irCurts>ok to be clear. that replaces all the stuff in 000-default.conf that I coppied to example.com
21:07<irCurts>like if I did nano mysite.com.conf paste that in the blank save it.. im done with this step?
21:07<millisa>probably. the /etc/apache2/sites-available/somesitnname.conf is mostly just going to contain a virtualhost block (or two, one for http, one for https)
21:08<millisa>that copy step was probably just to give you something to work from
21:08<millisa>in step4 of that doc is where you enable that site (it'll symlink the config file you just made into a place that apache is going to read when it starts/loads config)
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21:09<irCurts>yes one <directory> </dir> pair and one <virtual host pair> do I leave those in or overwrite them?
21:09<irCurts>maybe that question is more clear? I dunno
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21:10<millisa>in your sitename.tld.conf file it usually will just start with <virtualhost> have some directives, have that <directory> </directory> block, then end with a </virtualhost>
21:10<irCurts>ok
21:10<millisa>(You are building a config file that's eventually going to get included by apache when it reloads config/restarts)
21:11<millisa>it lets you be organized, you could have multiple sites in their own sitename.tld.conf dirs that you enable/disable to run on this same server.
21:11<irCurts>my confusion or qustion id driven by the step cp /....../ 000_default to domain.com.conf
21:11<millisa>that's just there to give you a skeleton to work from
21:15<irCurts>thanks so much for merging those lamp and drupal .com.conf for me :))
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21:18<irCurts>bleah. I seen this before.
21:19<irCurts>Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
21:19<millisa>probably a typo in the config somewhere.
21:19<millisa>if you do an 'apachectl -t' it might help you spot it
21:24<irCurts>hah! I ran sudo a2enmod rewrite then tried to restart apache2 and it worked.
21:25<millisa>Good.
21:25<millisa>I guess it's not until that drupal doc that they have you enable that module
21:25<irCurts>it said this was the error
21:25<irCurts>Invalid command 'RewriteEngine'
21:26<millisa>we skipped ahead by adding in those directives from the drupal doc (and it's fine, you figured it out)
21:26<irCurts>:))
21:26<irCurts>on on to steps M and P of L A M P
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22:03<zifnab>You mean mayo and potato's?
22:03<zifnab>Lamp: legumes, apples, mayo, potatos
22:03<millisa>bears, beets, battlestar galactica
22:04<irCurts>other n the mayo, you have my attention.
22:04<irCurts>btw... Hello World Connected successfully
22:04<arlen>aww yeah
22:04<irCurts><< vegan... no mayo for me.
22:04<zifnab>Lamp is just potato salad
22:05<zifnab>And veganism is stupid, tofu is worse for the environment than cows
22:05<irCurts>I do make my own mayo...
22:05<arlen>there's vegan mayo
22:05<millisa>well, sort of mayo
22:05<zifnab>Is it like butters creamy goo?
22:05<irCurts>I use cashews to make it.
22:05<arlen>yum
22:05<irCurts>makes great salad dressing too
22:06<arlen>mhmm
22:06<irCurts>add little raw sugar, apple cider vinegar and whatever else.
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22:29<irCurts>millisa, thanks so much for your assist. I seem to have it running, able to log in as admin, no clean urls issue...
22:29<millisa>excellent, good job
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22:45<Charles>hi, Linode has allocated more disk than new plan allows. Delete or resize disks smaller.
22:45<Charles>how to resize disks smaller?
22:45<@mcintosh>Charles: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/disk-images-and-configuration-profiles#resizing-a-disk
22:45<arlen>click the edit button
22:46<arlen>!point irCurts
22:46<linbot>arlen: Point given to ircurts. (1)
22:46<irCurts>eh?
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22:47<Charles>@mcintosh Thank you. I will try.
22:47<arlen>irCurts: you did it
22:48<irCurts>yep
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23:19<sof-tech>wordpress database connection to discuss
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23:20<millisa>Disqus?
23:21<sof-tech>i am moving from DO because of crash of PHP for worpress sites I have over there. Is any similar errors is occuring on Linode?
23:22<millisa>It'd depend why your stuff was having errors there. There's no inherent issue with php or wordpress sites running at linode (not at DO either)
23:25<sof-tech>I am not the only , many are facing this "cannot establish database connection error" actually once the Droplet is rebooted it works fine for 1 week or days suddenly the site crashes again and needto reboot
23:25<sof-tech>I have deployed all trouble shooting possible, monitaring by Jetpack also
23:25<millisa>that sounds like the database service itself is dropping. that can happen in an out of memory condition.
23:26<sof-tech>I upgraded from 1 GB to 4gb
23:26<millisa>on the plus side, at linode, you get more memory at the same price as DO, which might help you some
23:26<sof-tech>but still consist
23:26<sof-tech>even on shared hosting I did not face such error
23:27<millisa>shared hosting probably had a separate database service that was monitored by the shared hosting provider.
23:28<millisa>(I'm not trying to discourage you from trying/moving to linode, I'm just concerned that you might run into the same issue if you aren't looking at the root cause)
23:28<millisa>if you just restarted the mysql service rather than reboot, would that fix the issue?
23:28<sof-tech>the root is cause is not possible to determine it actually
23:28<millisa>That is unlikely.
23:29<millisa>If you have shell access to the system, you can figure out what's causing it. it'd be logged in syslog or demsg
23:29<millisa>er, dmesg
23:29<sof-tech>for your Q mysql service RESTART yes I tried but id doens not fix
23:29<sof-tech>reboot is needed
23:30<sof-tech>can you provide how steps to do on Shell
23:30<sof-tech>I have access
23:30<millisa>At Linode? Or DO?
23:31<sof-tech>DO
23:31<millisa>This would get you a console: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-digitalocean-console-to-access-your-droplet
23:31<millisa>Assuming you can't ssh in
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23:31<sof-tech>I know how to use but if you have certain commands line to share it would help
23:32<millisa>When the problem happens, can you ssh in still?
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23:33<sof-tech>yes using putty
23:33<millisa>Which distribution are you using? ubuntu? debian? centos? fedora?
23:33<sof-tech>other sites that are HTML arfe fine
23:33<sof-tech>REDHAT 6.8
23:34<sof-tech>KLOXO MR 7 FOR CONTROL PANEL
23:34<millisa>to restart the mysql service it'd be: /etc/init.d/mysqld restart
23:35<millisa>if you are running apache for a web service, you can restart it with: /etc/init.d/httpd restart
23:35<sof-tech>I tried Stop service and restart
23:35<sof-tech>no effect
23:35<millisa>the issue is happening right now?
23:36<sof-tech>no
23:36<sof-tech>sometimes with no explanation
23:36<Peng>There is an explanatio, it just has to be found :D
23:36<sof-tech>it could take as 1 month as 1 week
23:36<sof-tech>since no error
23:38<millisa>when it happens next, you likely want to check dmesg, check /var/log/messages, check /var/log/mysqld.log
23:38<sof-tech>any way I am moving to Linode for 2 reasons * Memory cost and Japan DATACENTER LOCATION
23:38<millisa>unless your system is having disk issues, something will show up in one of them
23:38<sof-tech>MORE explanation about disk issue please
23:38<millisa>Sounds good to me. I like linode.
23:39<millisa>Unless your system cannot write to the disk due to a hardware issue, it will log something about the error. There's never 'not an explanation'. And even in those cases where nothing is logged, if you can get on the console, it should show something there.
23:40<sof-tech>i will try to see that by checking logs
23:40<millisa>I'd put money you are running into an out of memory condition.
23:40<sof-tech>the problem is I have clients that do not have to get ther WP site down
23:41<sof-tech>I am deploying reboot as fast as possible
23:41<millisa>What can happen is one of those sites gets a sudden burst of traffic, or a bot, or some scanner that hits lots of php pages. Your web service allocates a lot of memory and runs out, and then the system has to pick something to kill off to keep the system up. It's probably picking the mysql service.
23:42<sof-tech>YEAP Thank you mellissa for this precious help and guidance
23:42<sof-tech>i REALLY APPRECIATE
23:43<millisa>The next time it happens, check dmesg and /var/log/messages, both likely will say something about 'OOM' or 'out-of-memory' or something similar.
23:43<sof-tech>OK
23:43<sof-tech>i will
23:44<millisa>the fix for something like that is to either limit how many processes can spawn from the web server, or get more memory
23:44<millisa>which, moving to linode would get you more memory. the 4gb DO plan runs $40/month. The 8gb linode is $40.
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