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---Logopened Tue Jun 20 00:00:41 2017
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00:49<Shahzoor>Can I get help with WordPress here?
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00:50<millisa>sometimes. ask and see
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00:51<Shahzoor>I started a new website, ex:, when project is ON, it will have, and so on upto 7 cities for now. Every domain will share same data like users, themes, plugins, etc. 1st phase is to start, so I want to keep empty just to choose City. What is best practice to do so? Develop on phase 1 on /city1 or on If /city1, how can I auto redirect users to /city if navigate to domain.c
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00:52<Shahzoor>WordPress Multisite
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00:52<Shahzoor>I started a new website, ex:, when project is ON, it will have, and so on upto 7 cities for now. Every domain will share same data like users, themes, plugins, etc. 1st phase is to start, so I want to keep empty just to choose City. What is best practice to do so? Develop on phase 1 on /city1 or on If /city1, how can I auto redirect users to /city1** if navigate to domai
00:55<MrPPS>Why not
00:56<millisa>I'm not 100% I'm following what you are asking. But if you have a wordpress multisite setup using the Sub-directories style addressing and you want to set one of them as the default, you can do it with a 301 redirect in the web server config or htaccess
00:58<millisa>there's also a 'primary site' setting you can set
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01:02<Shahzoor>MrPPS: Any pros & cons for subfolder? I can make decisions now as it is at very initial stage
01:02<Shahzoor>millisa: I did set primary as /city1, very confused here
01:03<Shahzoor>millisa: Check this
01:05<Shahzoor> ---updated
01:05<Shahzoor>Right now, /city1 is redirecting to
01:06<Shahzoor>I want it the other way. should redirect to city1 so later on I dont have to move the data from to /city1
01:06<MrPPS>Shahzoor: to be honeset, I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve; but subdomains to me always seem to be easier to manage than subfolders
01:08<Shahzoor>MrPPS: lets say, its a ticketing platform. Sell tickets to events online but city wise
01:08<Shahzoor> is better or is better?
01:08<MrPPS>I would do the former
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01:09<MrPPS>It is up to you how you design your website of course :)
01:09<millisa>for a dynamic site, it may be a pain managing certificates; then again there's always wildcards
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01:10<Shahzoor>millisa: You mean by using sub-domains right? Need to have each certificate for each sub-domain
01:11<Shahzoor>Nice, didn't thought of that. That would be pain
01:11<millisa>it's doable though. a pay-for wildcard certificate would cover * or you could consider scripting out setting up the letsencrypt cert name addition when you setup the additional wordpress site.
01:12<Shahzoor>I will try to read about that. Thanks Millisa
01:12<Shahzoor>Ok back to my main concern... lol...
01:13<Shahzoor> --> (want to achieve this). Right now --->
01:13<Shahzoor>Settings here -
01:14<Shahzoor>If I 301 redirect, it will redirect me from logging in to too
01:15<millisa>do you have a page ready at the /hyd site? If you don't, that may be why it's redirecting (you may have rewrite rules that say 'if site/dir doesn't exist, redirect to /index.php)
01:15<Shahzoor>I should be able to access admin area. Lets say, non-admins should redirect to /city1
01:15<Shahzoor>Yes, I do have
01:16<Shahzoor>It is redirecting because I set /hyd as primary
01:16<Shahzoor>If I turn it OFF, /hyd page will display
01:16<Shahzoor>millisa: I've turned it off, re-check
01:17<millisa>i don't know enough about wordpress multi-site to know how it might handle the primary site setting.
01:17<Shahzoor>Do you think theres a plugin that will redirect non-admins ?
01:19<Shahzoor>OK. need to change my connection. Thanks guys! see you later
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01:24<FluffyFoxeh>!wx cyow
01:24<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: [metar] OBS at CYOW: 64.4F/18C, visibility 15 miles, wind 5.75 mph, chill 64.89F (altimeter: 29.71) [CYOW 200500Z 25005KT 200V260 15SM -RA BKN100 18/16 A2971 RMK AC5 SLP063 DENSITY]
01:25<FluffyFoxeh>no relative humidity?
01:25<FluffyFoxeh>probably not relevant for aircraft
01:26<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • SpamAssassin, The query to URIBL was blocked. <>
01:26<BDIkaros>!wx kdfw
01:26<linbot>BDIkaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 80.6F/27C, visibility 10 miles, wind 5.75 mph, chill 84.12F (altimeter: 30.01) [KDFW 200453Z 07005KT 10SM SCT042 27/23 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP155 T02670228]
01:28<dcraig>!wx khio
01:28<linbot>dcraig: [metar] OBS at KHIO: 71.6F/22C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph, chill 72.22F (altimeter: 29.99) [KHIO 200453Z AUTO 31014KT 10SM OVC055 22/15 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP153 T02170150]
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02:03<arlen>!wx ksea
02:03<linbot>arlen: [metar] OBS at KSEA: 66.2F/19C, visibility 10 miles, wind 4.60 mph, chill 67.37F (altimeter: 30.02) [KSEA 200553Z 34004KT 10SM BKN037 OVC080 19/14 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP170 T01890144]
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02:06<Joni>i want to use the linode while it said the limited of today's credit updates
02:07<Joni>please could I know the problem for it? thank you.
02:07<millisa>Could you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you mean
02:09<Joni>i have write the credit and other things then submit, while it faid and said today's limit of credit updates.
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02:09<Joni>I donot know what the problem to do next
02:09<Joni>dear david
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02:09<Joni>i have write the credit and other things then submit, while it faid and said today's limit of credit updates.
02:09<david>just thinking to buy the hosting services, can i have a couple of questions
02:10<millisa>Joni: if you are talking about submitting extra verification while setting up your account and you've submitted what they requested, your next step is to wait and watch your email.
02:10<millisa>david: Go ahead and ask
02:10<Joni>no, dear, it failed to submit
02:11<david>i started with my personal hobby blog and want to buy 2G plan, is it enough
02:11<david>there are no visitors now
02:11<Joni>i just want to use the VPS ,
02:11<Joni>but couldnot buy
02:12<millisa>david: might be. without knowing your site/traffic, it's hard to guess. If you don't have any traffic, you can probably use the smallest plan. The nice thing is, it's easy to resize if it turns out you need more.
02:12<Joni>please could I know where to find the servicer for Linode
02:12<david>for the speed, are there any differences between 2g and 4g, for example?
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02:12<Joni>thank you, dear David
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02:13<david>i mean for visitor to view a page, are the speed the same for 2G and 4G plan
02:13<millisa>david: other than the core count, memory, and disk storage, there's not a whole lot different
02:14<david>for example, if use my own computer and the same time, to open a webpage, 2g and 4g, any differences of the speed?
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02:14<millisa>depends what that page does
02:15<millisa>chances are good you won't see a difference if it's a simple page or static content.
02:15<david>i already host with another company, what do i submit if i want to transfer to Linode?
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02:17<millisa>Well, first steps would be to read over the getting started guides and make sure you understand what you are getting into.
02:17<david>is it easy to setup a new wordpress site with linux environment as I know nothing about linux?
02:17<millisa>linodes are empty VPS's, you get a place to spinup your own linux instance that you have root access to. All the setup of the server, software, and web applications are up to you. There's some pretty good documents on it though
02:18<millisa>there's a wordpress guide here:
02:20<david>you mean, to start 1GB plan is good, and then move to 2GB if necessary later?
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02:20<millisa>you can do that. Moving to a bigger linode is extremely easy. You shutdown, tell it to resize, let it finish, and you boot it back up.
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02:25<david>thank you
02:25<millisa>sure thing
02:25<david>i will read more and contact you after
02:25<david>seems there are lots to read
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02:41<a_qwe>hello, what;s linode vps test ip?
02:42<a_qwe>i want to get the delay
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02:46<zifnab>i hate internet
02:47<zifnab>random routing issues from fremont to sweden, which, i don't care enough to debug
02:47<zifnab>seems to have cleared up, after jenkins shat itself
02:47*zifnab needs to move this instance to newark or london
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03:06<md_5>wish we could have a minimum debian 9 template
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03:07<md_5>and option for no swap
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04:11<hawk>zifnab: or frankfurt?
04:12<zifnab>Yeah. Build slaves everywhere though
04:12<zifnab>Seattle, Denver, Denmark, Sweden
04:12<zifnab>Probably trading one set of problems for another
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05:28<shahzoor>I am using WordPress Multisite (sub-domain), I thought I would use Let's Encrypt SSL for *
05:30<shahzoor>When I read, "We do not offer wildcard certificates, primarily because we cannot automate issuance for those types of certificates." - . So I shouldn't go through Let's Encrypt right?
05:30<grawity>you can use either a bunch of individual certs, or one big multi-domain cert
05:30<grawity>but not wildcard, yes
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05:31<shahzoor>grawity: Oh hi man! You are always here lol.
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05:32<shahzoor>Thanks... What would you suggest me, which commercial SSL should I go for?
05:32<grawity>dunno, I kinda like Digicert
05:33<grawity>but there are cheaper ones around
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05:33<grawity>... admittedly I haven't ever *bought* anything from Digicert; we just use it at $WORK
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05:35<Peng_> "Starts at $475/year"
05:36<cnf>wildcard certificates for $100/year at
05:36<cnf>yes, that's a referal link
05:38<Cromulent>namecheap sell quite cheap wildcard SSL certs
05:39<Peng_>$55 from a Latvian reseller i've never heard of. :P
05:41<Peng_>Actually they're not the cheapest reseller i've never heard of.
05:42<Cromulent>true but namecheap are pretty trustworthy I have found
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06:30<dzho>Only $N/year, until Google de-rates all our roots.
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07:08<hawk>dzho: Then even cheaper! or?
07:18<dzho>then worthless and a hassle to replace
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08:39<rami>Hi there
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08:42<Guest2878>I want to set up wildcard subdomain so that I can resolve it. I will have hundreds of subdomains, which is why I don't think creating a new zones for each subdomain would be possible (as suggested in most blogs). Can you please help?
08:44<grawity>you don't need a new zone for each subdomain
08:44<grawity>just a new record in the main zone
08:44<Guest2878>I added a new A record *, but it isn't working.
08:45<Guest2878>Am i missing something?
08:45<dzho>you might be conflating domains with zones
08:46<grawity>does `host` or `dig` find
08:46<Guest2878>I only have one zone - the main zone
08:46<dzho>you don't need a new zone for each subdomain, but you will need a new record for each subdomain.
08:49<dzho>also what does "isn't working" mean?
08:49*dzho points to grawity
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08:49<hawk>Guest2878: What happens specifically? Have you accidentally added * Etc, etc
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08:50<Guest2878>@dzho It finally works now. I think it took about 3 hours to accept the A record.
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08:52<Guest2878>Thank you so much guys for your time
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08:59<charles>i want to host at linode singpaore server, possible ?
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10:11<pete_g_>Got a strange issue with linode api - accessing via php library. I am cloning a linode, then booting it.
10:11<pete_g_>The boot request fails, saying there is no config id. So I decided to poll every 30 seconds until the config id is there, then run the boot. But the config id never appears while the script is running, no matter how long I wait.
10:12<pete_g_>Any ideas why it will not pull up the config id & boot the linode? Could something be caching the request along the way??
10:13<@caker>it won't be caching on our side. Who knows what the library is doing. But: you'll get a new Linode and a new Config ID when cloning .. make sure you aren't sending in an old ID
10:15<pete_g_>the linode clone only responds with a linode id, no more than that
10:15<pete_g_>when I do linode config list using that id it shows up empty
10:15<pete_g_>it does not throw any errors - just empty...
10:18<rick111>a school we support want to block any search that contains "isis", (i know, i know, i just need to do it), im looking for a regex tool I can type in "isis", then tick some buttoms like [include all case], i've found fir testing, but not for building
10:18<rick111>any suggestions?
10:19<dzho>find another job?
10:20<dzho>I mean, seriously, with https transport between the search engine and the browser, regex is the least of the things you need
10:21<dzho>unless you just need to block the results
10:22<rick111>for example, google does the "q=isis" thing, they already use the firewall for http/https proxy, so i just need to create a web filter rule that blocks q=isis, but is regex for all case etc
10:25<rick111>i think /isis/i does the job actually
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10:27<nbrewer>hello, feel free to ask your question
10:29<rick111>that's terrorism put to bed
10:29<suporte> I'm trying to sign up for the lode, I've registered and asked for my personal card, I do not think it's safe to send, I'd like to see how I can sign up to have to send my credit card.
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10:30<nbrewer>suporte: do you mean that they asked for your identification? or just that they asked for a credit card?
10:30<nbrewer>you need to have a card on file to use Linode.
10:31<suporte> When I registered, I linked the card.
10:32<nbrewer>you can't have a Linode account without a card on file, if that's what you're getting at.
10:32<suporte> Later I get an email asking for a photo.
10:32<nbrewer>oh ok
10:33<nbrewer>yeah, you're going to want to handle that via the Linode Manager, or by emailing - this is a community channel, and they're not going to discuss account stuff here.
10:33<nbrewer>the "Support" tab in the Linode Manager is where you can open a ticket
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10:34<hawk>I suppose it's part of some anti-fraud process. The computer handling your registration thought you looked suspicious or whatever. I dunno.
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10:39<suporte> I need a programmer, is there any good? With skype
10:43<suporte> Some programmer
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10:45<@jalter>suporte: might find one here
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11:12<fartwhif>Can I get fedora 19 or newer on a Linode 1GB?
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11:15<fartwhif>anyone around?
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11:16<hawk>fartwhif: iirc there is a Fedora 25 template
11:16<Woet>couldnt you have checked yourself by now..?
11:16<fartwhif>i see this so i assume so, it's from 2014 would like to get an update on the O/S options
11:16<fartwhif>nice 25 will do nicely
11:18<fartwhif>thanks! bye!
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11:45<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:47<Eugene>rick111 - every school network I have ever interacted with had a federal-govt-mandated SSL inspector installed on it(requirement of the sponsored crap DSL lines that they get..... go figure), so presumably you should be doing it there ;-)
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11:56<Caballero>hi all
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12:02<Caballero>im looking for help !
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12:49<Celti>Man. Apparently Firefox gets cranky when you run it for over two weeks with three hundredish tabs.
12:50<relidy>Chrome, too. I haven't seen my RAM in weeks.
12:51<csnxs>oh, I took it
12:51<csnxs>do you want it back?
12:51<relidy>Please! Send more, too.
12:51<AlexMax>ram is cheap
12:51<relidy>So's my boss.
12:51<Celti>Restarting Firefox freed up three gigs, which in the grand scheme of things wasn't much (I had 8 free)
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12:53<MajObviousman>relidy: install the RAM++ 4.2 patch and you should be good to go
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12:54<csnxs>AlexMax, it is when you can afford it :)
12:54<relidy>Doh, why didn't I think of that? Seriously though, it seems like yesterday when 8GB of RAM (the most this poor machine can handle) was an awe-inspiring amount.
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12:57<csnxs>I've got 16GB
12:58<csnxs>god, I remember having 4
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12:58<csnxs>painful times.
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13:02<synfinatic>LOL. I remember when 4MB was a lot :)
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13:25<zifnab>can i bribe a linode human to take care of 8185868 for me
13:25<Woet>yes, send me 1 BTC
13:25<Woet>and it'll be taken care of
13:25<zifnab>i'll send donuts to the office
13:25<zifnab>Woet: lol, nice try
13:27<@caker>just fyi: you can do it yourself: add a new Linode, clone old into new, wait, remove old Linode :)
13:27<Woet>lazy zifnab as always
13:27<Woet>making others do his job
13:27<zifnab>caker: really? huh TIL. nevermind then
13:28<Woet>caker: next time wait until the transaction is confirmed
13:28<zifnab>yeah, i mean, donuts
13:28<zifnab>(seriously, someone get me the address, i'm feeling nice)
13:29<millisa>it's at the bottom
13:29<relidy>zifnab: 329 E. Jimmie Leeds Rd, Ste. A, Galloway, NJ 08205 (on the contact page)
13:30<@jalter>got two offices :)
13:30<@jalter>but the Galloway one is the main one
13:31<zifnab>damn it no postmates
13:31<zifnab>who delivers shit out there
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13:32<@jalter>zifnab: I don't think we have anything like postmates yet... but you're entirely too kind
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13:33<zifnab>well, was worth the attempt. let me know when the new office opens.
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13:34<@jalter>will do!
13:34<@jalter>you could stop by too :D
13:34<zifnab>if i end up on the east coast, sure :P
13:34<@mcintosh>zifnab: does that mean you don't want that taken care of anymore? :p
13:34<zifnab>west coast is best coast, etc
13:34<zifnab>mcintosh: haha, still needs to be done
13:34<@jalter>probably true
13:34<zifnab>latency from fremont->sweden is a bitch
13:35<zifnab>and jenkins died last night, soooo, needs to happen anyways
13:35<@mcintosh>rgr that, you're g2g then :)
13:35<zifnab>also how the fuck do you guys survive without food delivery
13:35<zifnab>thats...dark ages level shit
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14:34<tharkun>Good Day people I am comparing speed processing from my linode to my laptop one is a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz and on my laptop I have a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710MQ CPU @ 2.50GHz Is there a real difference between both or am I jus wasting my time comparing them.
14:36<tharkun>From a fast overview the laptop is faster if not only for having 8 cores and the vps only two. am I right or is there something I am missing that is a deal changer. I'ts been quite some time since I last compared processor and computing power of hardware.
14:36<synfinatic>your best bet is to compare benchmarks from various sites (google them) and see how close they are
14:37<synfinatic>more cores is useful if you're multithreaded/multi-process
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14:37<tharkun>synfinatic: multi-process seems to be a sfer aproach nowadays.
14:37<synfinatic>linode now supports per hour pricing so you could also just test it :)
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14:43<Peng_>Also that's not Linode's newest CPU. :P
14:43<Peng_>It's the second-newest?
14:43<Peng_>It's hard to beat 8 cores with 2, though.
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14:44<dwfreed>unless what you're doing is not parallelizable
14:45<Peng_>And Turbo Boost can help. That model Xeon can go to... 3.3 GHz.
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14:45<Peng_>Wait, the laptop can go to 3.5. Darn. Though i wouldn't want it on my lap.
14:46<tharkun>synfinatic: it seems memory transfers are insanely faster on the Xeon so it seems the way to go although I will be doing some benchmarking. Thanks a lot
14:47<Peng_>How fast is it under virtualization, though?
14:47<tharkun>dwfreed: This process can be paralellized ad nausea. So I might as well rent 4 vps for two hours and get the job done even faster.
14:47<tharkun>Peng_: NFC
14:48<tharkun>Peng_: Yes it can run hot when properly fed with power :)
14:48<tharkun>Anyway thanks everyone for the information I will take all that into consideration.
14:48<tharkun>Got to run now. Have a nice day.
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15:25<MajObviousman>Peng_: if anyone can beat 8 cores with 2, it's you. You got this buddy
15:25*MajObviousman is counting on you
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15:26<Megaf>Hi guys
15:26*MajObviousman eyes Megaf suspiciously
15:26<MajObviousman>there are females on the internet, despite what common knowledge states
15:26<Megaf>Linode managed to finally piss me off... After several years. I'm migrating to KVM...
15:26*Megaf is a guy
15:26<Megaf>[20:26:30] <MajObviousman> there are females on the internet, despite what common knowledge states
15:26<Megaf>There are
15:26<Megaf>I know some
15:27<millisa>This doesn't sound like the actions of a pissed off person. It sounds like a person who wants great performance, new features, and ice cream.
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15:27<Megaf>millisa, I've been comparing both systems for a year or more
15:28<Megaf>benchmarking both every couple of months
15:28<millisa>did you have one of the high core count linodes?
15:28<Megaf>KVM never had the same performance of Xen for me
15:28<MajObviousman>and what are your sexist conclusions?
15:28*MajObviousman is done now
15:28*MajObviousman applies fail early, fail often to this joke and seeks an escape route
15:29<Megaf>I'm a poor single core user tho. I was hoping to get a free upgrade to two cores. But didnt happen...
15:31<MajObviousman>you have a really great $5/mo or $10/mo server and you're asking for more great
15:31<MajObviousman>there's a really easy solution. Pay $20/mo and get 2 cores
15:32<Megaf>MajObviousman, after this dozens of forced reboots and migrations with a super short notice I think I deserve a free upgrade
15:32<millisa>$20 = 4 cores if you can spread it across 4 little linodes
15:33<Megaf>see? one more reason to get 2 cores for 10 USD
15:33<MajObviousman>yeah, so no.
15:33<MajObviousman>or do what millisa suggested
15:33<dwfreed>there are a lot fewer cores on a CPU than there is available RAM on the host
15:34<MajObviousman>note: I am not an employee, and I do not represent Linode in any way, shape, or form
15:34<MajObviousman>but they've set the pricing the way they have because it costs them money to provide these services. If you want more services, you pay more money. Easy.
15:34<MajObviousman>and if $10 is a hardship, then I hear gofundme is a popular way to score quick cash from generous donors
15:35<dwfreed>(also, at times of resource contention, $5 Linodes get less share of CPU than $10 Linodes)
15:35<millisa>"$20? I wanted a linode!." "$20 can buy many linodes." "Quick! Explain how!" "Money can be exchanged for goods and services."
15:36<Megaf>I am with Linode since 2011.
15:36<Megaf>January of 2011
15:36<Megaf>I have seen stuff
15:37<MajObviousman>what kind of stuff have you seen?
15:37*MajObviousman settles in for story time
15:37<Megaf>datacentres been born, whole countries loosing internet, massive attacks to a single server, forced migrations, unhappy people
15:38<dwfreed>I can do you one better
15:38<MajObviousman>and here comes the pain olympics
15:38<dwfreed>I worked for Linode as customer support from March 2012 to November 2013
15:38*Peng_ drops printed out stack of XSAs on table
15:38<MajObviousman>mental note: replace Menlo with something that has better unicode support
15:38<dwfreed>MajObviousman: that might not be the font
15:39<dwfreed>screen + mosh doesn't play nice
15:39<Megaf>[20:38:26] <dwfreed> I worked for Linode as customer support from March 2012 to November 2013
15:39<Megaf>They always had great staff
15:39<MajObviousman>suspicious use of past tense
15:39<dwfreed>the day I started was the week after the bitcoin incident
15:39<Megaf>suspicious use is suspicious
15:39<Megaf>dwfreed, were people using Linodes to mine coins?
15:40<Megaf>that's not very efficient...
15:40<dwfreed>they stored their wallets with many coins in them on Linodes
15:40<MajObviousman>I'm sure that happens. But this incident was people using linode to store wallets
15:40<Megaf>[20:40:15] <dwfreed> they stored their wallets with many coins in them on Linodes
15:40<Peng_>See that's why you don't get two cores for $10! :P
15:40<Megaf>I've done that
15:41<Megaf>for a day
15:41<Megaf>not clever
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15:55<millisa>hooray. got my linode backup monitoring check for linode working with the new api. I am pleased.
15:56<millisa>er, for nagios that is. not the redundant thing i said.
15:57<dwfreed>I figured that's what you meant
15:57<millisa>and it uses dirty, dirty perl. which pleases me even more.
15:58*Megaf runs away after reading "perl"
15:58<Megaf>python ftw!
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15:59<millisa>my biggest complaint with the new personal token interface is there needs to be a drop down or something to set all the fields to view/modify/delete.
16:00<millisa>not sure I like the default being delete level access
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16:22<@peaton>millisa: good points. We're going to simplify the interface one way or another:
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16:22<@peaton>Having the default be no access is also probably a good idea. It's been convenient while testing, but defaulting to no access is a good "production" setting.
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16:24<zifnab>oh interesting, whats his face left
16:25<dwfreed>what's his face?
16:26<zifnab>drew somethingorother
16:26<dwfreed>oh, SirFuckwit
16:26<zifnab>that one
16:26<zifnab>in september
16:26*zifnab wonders if turnover or fuckwit
16:27*zifnab also wonders if linode does remote work yet
16:27<dwfreed>zifnab: doesn't, likely won't ever, really
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17:19<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • [Solved]Problem connecting to some Chinese websites from Fremont, CA <> || Linux Networking • cant sudo apt-get update on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS <>
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17:29<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (beta) <>
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18:38<arlen>not valid :(
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18:52<@mcintosh>arlen: FluffyFoxeh: hmm weird, try again?
18:53<arlen>aww yeah
18:53<FluffyFoxeh>oh you
18:53<arlen>internet high fives o/
18:59<Zimsky>mcintosh killed my dog
18:59<Zimsky>juice saw it
18:59<FluffyFoxeh>juice has been quiet recently
18:59<Zimsky>and Zimsky hasn't?
19:00<Zimsky>it's excellent to know I'm well-established in your minds
19:05<@mcintosh>Zimsky: it was self defense! it had a weapon
19:05<juice>Drink me.
19:06<encode>have the linode kernels been updated to fix stack clash yet?
19:07<encode>i can never work out what fixes the various kernels available have applied
19:07<Zimsky>all linodes will kill your rabbit
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19:08<arlen>latest kernel is from march so probably not
19:08<encode>yeah thats what im thinking
19:08<Peng> lists CVEs when they're notable.
19:08<encode>Latest 64 bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81) - 2017-04-10
19:08<Peng>Especially notable.
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19:09<encode>i think stack clash counts as notable
19:09<@mcintosh>encode: most likely you can use the distro kernel for your Linode
19:09<@mcintosh>but I believe we're working on a new release of ours
19:10<encode>mcintosh: ok thanks
19:10<encode>one of these days i will rebuild my linode from scratch, since its running a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace :P
19:10<linbot>DanielNM: Latest 32 bit (4.9.15-x86-linode100) <> || Latest 64 bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81) <> || 4.9.15-x86_64-linode81 <> || 4.9.15-x86-linode100 <> || 4.9.7-x86_64-linode80 (4 more messages)
19:10<@mcintosh>better imo :p
19:10<linbot>mcintosh: Latest 64 bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81) - 2017-04-10 :: Latest 32 bit (4.9.15-x86-linode100) - 2017-04-10
19:11<rsdehart>encode: I need to do that, too
19:11<rsdehart>freakin cruftbox from 2010
19:11<Zimsky>peng is a CVE
19:11<Zimsky>we need to patch peng
19:15<encode>im not even sure how old this linode is, but it is ooooold
19:15<MrPPS>encode: I had that for the longest time on my ubuntu 12.04 mail server
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19:17<encode>but if i rebuild the linode then i lose the legacy billing along iwth the discount for yearly payments
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19:19<Zimsky>bribe them
19:19<Zimsky>send cakes or shoes to their office
19:20<encode>caker is cakes
19:21<encode>so im sure he likes cakes, but he clearly is no cannibal so he's not going to eat them
19:24<@mcintosh>encode: if you rebuild the linode in place you shouldn't affect your billing at all
19:24<@mcintosh>i.e. copy your data elsewhere, use the Rebuild feature, copy the data back to the linode
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19:30<encode>mcintosh: yeah, but that is slightly more risky than build a new 'node and then migrate to it
19:30<encode>which is probably why i haven't done it yet
19:31<@mcintosh>enable linode backups, take a snapshot, copy your files, rebuild, copy files back - if stuff is broken, restore to the snapshot?
19:34<encode>one of these days...
19:36<encode>and i have linode backups anyway
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20:28<Jhonattanrr>Hi, Do your plans allow mailing?
20:28<MrPPS>As in, a mail server?
20:28<MrPPS>As long as you don't mean for spamming/junk mailing people, absolutely
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20:30<Jhonattanrr>What is the limit of sending emails?
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20:31<MrPPS> - point number 3.
20:31<MrPPS>3rd paragraph
20:34<Jhonattanrr>Since the law is not very explicit, it is very general. I want to create multiple email accounts with my domain and I would like to know if there is any restriction with this, considering that I will offer mail to third parties.
20:35<MrPPS>If you're offering mail hosting, then the responsibility is on you to ensure your users don't send unsolicited mass emails
20:35<MrPPS>and if there is a ToS complaint against you, that you then sort it out
20:35<MrPPS>But yes, I host a mail server with multiple users + multiple domains for many years on linode - no issue there
20:36<Peng>Jhonattanrr: You're allowed to send zero spam and infinity not-spam.
20:36<Jhonattanrr>Perfect, what plan do you recommend for this purpose?
20:38<rsdehart>Jhonattanrr: you can start with a small plan and scale up if you need to. It's really easy and painless to do so
20:38<rsdehart>well I'll say relatively painless
20:38<rsdehart>it's not instantaneous, but it's pretty quick
20:39<rsdehart>it's hard to make a recommendation without more knowledge of your use case than most of us are interested in having :)
20:39<Jhonattanrr>Will the Standard Plans Linode 1GB be fine for starters?
20:39<rsdehart>I'd say probably
20:40<Jhonattanrr>Thank you!
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20:41<MrPPS>Definitely depends on how many users etc - but mail is usually a fairly low-resource usage thing. I used the 1GB plan for many years for my mail server (only upgraded because I decided to dockerise everything)
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21:00<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Request: "Confirm" flag for StackScript fields <>
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21:27<MrPPS>hey ALVINA
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23:51<kryo2k>having a network issue on one a vps, can someone help?
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23:55<MrPPS>kryo2k: what's the issue?
23:57<Zimsky>they can't tell you that
23:57<Zimsky>you gotta fix the issue straight away, MrPPS
23:57<Zimsky>no questions
23:58*MrPPS waves magic fingers
23:59<Zimsky>say the magic words
23:59<Zimsky>`iptables -F; dhclient eth0`
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