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00:01<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Longview: Your system's clock is slow. Please ensure that ntp is installed and running. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14769&p=73906#p73906> || General Discussion • Can't get minimal Linode to stay OFF! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14866&p=73905#p73905>
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00:41<mgeary>hi folks. I've got a server that just experienced some unpleasantness. Suddenly couldn't SSH in
00:41<mgeary>i've opened a ticket, but this is very time-sensitive. Are any support gurus here that could offer insights?
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00:51<millisa>mgeary: does it show anything in lish?
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01:07<mgeary>millisa, sorry. was working on it and didn't see your message
01:08<mgeary>i booted it in rescue mode and was able to rsync my files off, so i'm feeling better about it
01:08<mgeary>i'm now taking it through the KVM upgrade and then the "Linode upgrade"
01:08<millisa>that's good I suppose. if you can get into rescue mode far enough to touch the disks you can probably get it booting again
01:08<mgeary>here's hoping
01:09<mgeary>i'm not familiar with lish. Is that a linode-specific thing?
01:09<millisa>just their way of getting you console access
01:09<mgeary>oh
01:10<millisa>here's a quick doc on using it: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
01:11<millisa>I use the first command in the 'advanced lish tricks' on that page the most often.
01:11<mgeary>ah, yeah, i saw a link to that with ssh
01:12<mgeary>hopefully once it's done with these upgrades, i'll be back up and running
01:12<mgeary>it was so weird. I was in via ssh, and suddenly /bin/bash was gone
01:12<mgeary>and i swear i didn't do anything that could have caused that. i was just doing directory listings
01:12<mgeary>and i had closed my terminal window, and now with bash gone, i couldn't log in anymore
01:13<millisa>that sounds pretty weird.
01:14<mgeary>but there was some sort of unplanned maintenance event 5 days ago
01:14<mgeary>i can't help but think that is related
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01:21<zifnab>FluffyFoxeh: i want to refute that tweet. att originally had a contract with yahoo to do email, they've since stopped doing email for them, and they're not full yahoo accounts as of a few years ago
01:21<FluffyFoxeh>that does make more sense
01:21<zifnab>FluffyFoxeh: it has nothing to do with vzw acquiring yahoo, its business as normal for ancient internet shit being deprecated
01:21<zifnab>yeah
01:22<zifnab>don't get me wrong, verizon is evil
01:22<FluffyFoxeh>but can't a Tumblr account be associated with any email? Mine's associated with one from my own domain, why should it care
01:22<zifnab>i'm 99% sure its the 'login with yahoo' button thats dying for those domains
01:22<zifnab>can't actually say though
01:23<zifnab>or maybe they did something funky because they were yahoo accounts at the time
01:23<FluffyFoxeh>hm
01:23<zifnab>auth is a disaster everywhere, 20 year old auth has to be worse :P
01:24<zifnab>https://login.yahoo.com/config/loginverify2?.partner=sbc
01:24<FluffyFoxeh>Yahoo's database in particular is overtly a fucking mess. My old yahoo answers questions have an author of "?" whose profile page 404s
01:24<zifnab>its 'legacy' legacy
01:24<zifnab>https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/25/take-the-oath/
01:24<FluffyFoxeh>which I'm thankful for but still. must be a nightmare behind the scenes
01:24<zifnab>yeah
01:25<zifnab>i mean i've seen disasters in 2 year old companies
01:25<zifnab>i can't imagine one thats been aroudn since the mid 90s
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01:31<linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • Linode tends to hide problems to customers. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10943&p=73907#p73907>
01:35<mgeary>millisa: server still won't boot up :/
01:35<mgeary>i've just booted it in rescue mode. that seems to work
01:37<millisa>what does it show in lish when you try to boot it?
01:37<mgeary>well, i'm logged in via terminal over lish, but in rescue mode
01:38<mgeary>when i do a normal boot, it spins past a lot of the standard log bootup stuff, but then exits out of screen before i can see anything too useful
01:38<mgeary>and then it tells me that my instance isn't running
01:38<mgeary>which it isn't
01:39<mgeary>the root partition seems to be okay
01:40<mgeary>but there's a swap image, which i don't even think we're using, which e2fsck doesn't know what to do with
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01:43<millisa>in the linode manager, when you click on the linode, on the dashboard page it has a host job queue about halfway down. when you try to boot it normally it just shows 'system boot' then 'system shutdown'? or does it show something else?
01:46<@armiller>mgeary: If screen is killed too fast for you to see anything you can use the `logview` command to view the console for your last boot
01:47<@armiller>You need to be on the LISH console for the Linode you wish to view, but not attached to a running screen session
01:48<mgeary>sorry, folks. reading up now
01:49<mgeary>millisa: it says system boot and system shutdown
01:49<mgeary>armiller: trying that now
01:49<millisa>!paste
01:49<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
01:51<mgeary>armiller: can you clarify? I'm in LISH, and it wants me to either "list" or specify a linode label
01:51<mgeary>"logview" doesn't do anything where i'm currently at
01:52<@armiller>That means you are at the top level of LISH. First you need to specify your Linode, which will automatically try to connect to a screen session if it is running
01:52<mgeary>right
01:52<mgeary>i do that, and it still doesn't recognize "logview"
01:52<mgeary>command not found
01:53<millisa>there's an example of using logview in this section: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish#understanding-lish-commands
01:53<@armiller>What do you get if you type `help`?
01:53<mgeary>just tried that
01:54<mgeary>i get the standard bash help commands, it appears
01:54<mgeary>no "logview" there
01:54<mgeary>https://bpaste.net/show/d4859af6b787
01:54<@armiller>It sounds like you are connected to your Linode through LISH then.
01:55<mgeary>i'm in rescue mode
01:55<mgeary>if i don't boot in rescue mode, the instance shuts down before i can do anything
01:55<millisa>you want to boot it not in resuce mode.
01:56<mgeary>okay...
01:56<millisa>the goal is to see what it's saying on the console when you try to boot
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01:57<mgeary>https://bpaste.net/show/c314225edf59
01:57<mgeary>keep getting that
01:58<mgeary>hmm. there's this:
01:58<mgeary>EXT4-fs (sda): couldn't mount as ext3 due to feature incompatibilities
01:58<mgeary>sda is my root partition
01:58<mgeary>so that's probably the issue
01:58<mgeary>no?
01:59<millisa>is it ext3 or ext4?
02:00<millisa>(does your fstab specify the wrong one?)
02:00<mgeary>not sure
02:00<millisa>hop back into rescue and check
02:00<mgeary>this gets to the boundaries of my linux experience. i'm a programmer, not a doctor... uh, sysadmin
02:00<mgeary>but yeah, doing that now
02:01<millisa>you were able to get your files rsync'd off from rescue. it's not much harder than that
02:01<mgeary>ok. looking at fstab
02:01<mgeary>i'm calling it ext4 there
02:02<mgeary>https://bpaste.net/show/e0ecc357cdeb
02:02<millisa>if you run the 'mount' command, does it agree that it is ext4?
02:03<@armiller>mgeary: I believe your issue is with the "Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init found." line
02:03*zifnab guesses the disk is fucked
02:03<mgeary>hmm
02:03<mgeary>ok
02:03<mgeary>so we need to spawn a new server
02:03<zifnab>thats normally easiest when there are problems
02:04<mgeary>Thanks, Obama... uh, Linode
02:04<mgeary>:/
02:04<zifnab>in other news!
02:04<zifnab>i have a box that was upgraded from a 512 xen box
02:04<zifnab>from around the era of htem being a few steps up from the 192s
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05:39<Amol>hello
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05:40<Krish>Hi team
05:40<Krish>IDENTIFY
05:41<Krish>Hi Guys
05:42<Krish>i have a godaddy hosting as of now but unable to execute .jsp file
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05:42<Krish>like to know whether linode can support .jsp
05:42<nate>Krish: Linode's are VPS's, they can support whatever -you- configure on them and run on them within linode's terms of service and the law
05:43<nate>this isn't a shared hosting service like godaddy, VPS's are virtual root servers that you control completely yourself (unless you want to pay linode or managed/professional services)
05:44<Krish>which will be the best one to go godaddy vps or linode vps
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06:34<MrPPS>Krish: Definitely linode VPS out of those two haha
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06:47<AndroUser2>:)
06:49<AndroUser2>hello team... I've been tryna move mails between servers but currently facing a strange issue.. Server1(old server) has al the mails. Server2(New on linode)
06:50<AndroUser2>I've created the necessary mail addresses on Server2
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06:52<AndroUser2>when I copy mails from the Server1/.../user/new/ to Server2/.../user/new/, they don't show up and appear rather in /cur
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06:52<AndroUser2>what could be wrong?
06:53<AndroUser2>anyone?
06:57<AndroUser2>:'(
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07:53<Guest216> linode2663849 is stuck
07:53<Guest216>anyone in support to help?
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07:54<sandeep>This is the community chat. You probably want to open a support ticket
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09:01<Fatts>Hello, can anyone tell me where the Linode servers are physically located? - assume in the US, but unsure what state
09:01<Meyer_>Fatts: Depends on the location you select
09:01<Fatts>Ah ok :D
09:02<Meyer_>Fatts: https://www.linode.com/speedtest
09:02<Meyer_>Fatts: But for the US you have the option of Newark, Atlanta, Dallas and Fremont
09:02<Fatts>Great
09:02<Fatts>asking for boring tax reasons!
09:02<Fatts>I'll ask our CTO what he chose, didnt realise there was a choice. Thanks for your help
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09:03<Meyer_>Fatts: Tax reasons?
09:03<ponas>Fatts: if you traceroute the IP you'll probably see the location in one of the last hops
09:03<Meyer_>Fatts: That might be more based on where Linode are incorporated?
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09:04<Meyer_>Fatts: Or, you mean some other tax reasons than the bills from Linode?
09:04<Fatts>yeah, just looking into some tax structuring and I recall there being some treatment where the transactions are deemed to take place at the physical location of the server
09:05<Meyer_>Fatts: Ah
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09:45<mrjayribs>Is it a good idea to host two websites on once Linode 1024 instance?
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09:48<ponas>mrjayribs: should be fine
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09:57<mrjayribs>ponas: yeah they aren't big websites. Is this still true if I run them on the same image too?
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10:05<ponas>mrjayribs: not sure what you mean by the same image
10:05<ponas>what matters is requests/traffic and how much RAM/CPU rendering the websites use in total, not the number of different websites
10:06<mrjayribs>ponas: gotcha. okay
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10:12<mrjayribs>ponas: thanks for you help
10:12<ponas>np
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10:43<Deele>Hello! What is the procedure to install an SSL certificate on website hosted in linode?
10:46<ponas>Deele: depends on the webserver you use, take a look here: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/
10:49<Deele>ponas: I was just given access to our customer ISPConfig panel, I don't know what webserver is there. How do I check that?
10:50<synfinatic>"ISPConfig panel" ?. you mean the linode account management web UI?
10:51<Deele>I guess so
10:51<synfinatic>so it will show which linux box(es) are running
10:51<synfinatic>ssh into it / them
10:51<synfinatic>it's just a linux box
10:51<ponas>nah, ISPConfig is similar to cPanel
10:52<ponas>you'll need to check the docs for ISPConfig, Deele
10:52<Deele>so, this is not shared hosting, customers install what they want on linode servers?
10:52<ponas>there's probably some built-in functionality to add SSL certs to a domain
10:52<ponas>yup
10:53<Deele>oh, then I need to find somebody who knows how to access whatever there is installed... oh boy
10:54<ponas>Deele: it's apparently documented in their subscription-only docs: https://www.ispconfig.org/documentation/user-manual/
10:55<Deele>ponas: so, ISPConfig is installed by customer, it is not something provided by linode?
10:55<ponas>that's right
10:55<synfinatic>Linode is basically: Pick a Linux distro from this list and the rest is up to you. :)
10:56<Deele>alright, thank you, then I know what to ask a customer
10:56<Deele>they just ordered an SSL installation, but did not gave any instructions about their hosting...
10:56<ponas>Deele: i found this: http://www.ispconfig.org/downloads/manual_en/manual_kunde_en_src.htm#4_2_4
10:57<ponas>you should be able to just click stuff and look for "SSL"
10:58<Deele>looks like they have installed some basic version of it - there is no SSL button
11:01<ponas>sounds like a good thing to me, you can bill them extra for upgrading ispconfig or something
11:02<Deele>allright, thank you for information
11:02<Deele>ponas: thank you, good bye
11:02<ponas>np
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12:13<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
12:39<csnxs>hi Linodin', I'm dad
12:39<@abrining>linbot point csnxs
12:39<linbot>abrining: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
12:39<@abrining>hmm
12:39<csnxs>!lick Eugene
12:39<linbot>csnxs: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
12:39<csnxs>o.o
12:40<csnxs>!help lick
12:40<linbot>csnxs: (lick <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title urmom.rm.wtf/points/add/$nick/$1/".
12:40<csnxs>mcintosh mcintosh mcintosh mcintosh mcintosh!!!
12:40<@abrining>that does not seem normal
12:43<@abrining>I'll let someone know that linbot is sick :(
12:49<Eugene>Have you tried turning it off and back on again
12:50<dwfreed>/kill mcintosh
12:52<@abrining>!point Eugene
12:52<linbot>abrining: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
12:52<@abrining>linbot at
12:52<linbot>This isn't Twitter, you don't need to put @ in front of a username.
12:53<@abrining>well some commands definitely seem to work, seems to be just points.
12:53<dwfreed>because points just hits a web page
12:53<dwfreed>and the web page is busted
12:53<dwfreed>linbot: web title https://www.linode.com/
12:53<linbot>dwfreed: SSD Cloud Hosting & Linux Servers - Linode
12:54<Eugene>Server error, not bot error
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14:09<mcintosh>!point mcintosh
14:09<linbot>mcintosh: 1,000,000 points for mcintosh!!!
14:11<mcintosh>!point csnxs
14:11<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to csnxs. (6)
14:11<mcintosh><thumbsup>
14:12<dwfreed>mcintosh: your snail is missing
14:12<millisa>lots of them are
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14:15<csnxs>woo free points!
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14:22<nb>linbot, urmom
14:22<linbot>Yo mommas so stupid she sold her car for gas money! (5:0/0) [mmour]
14:22<nb>haha
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14:22<linbot>Yo mommas so ugly she couldnt get straterra to play with her! (24:0/0) [murom]
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14:22<linbot>Yo mommas so paranoid, she wears tinfoil panties! (23:0/0) [oumrm]
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15:17<zifnab>can support up the billing amount for an account
15:17<zifnab>ie, if i don't want to get charged $50, then 3 days later get charged $4
15:17<zifnab>'what do i ask for'
15:17<nb>zifnab, I think i've heard they can, but you'd have to ask them
15:17*nb is not employee
15:17<nb>!ops
15:17<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
15:17<zifnab>oh i know
15:17*relidy snickers
15:17<zifnab>i lurk here more than most
15:17<Eugene>Yes, you want to ask to "increase my authorized monthly limit"
15:18<zifnab>thanks
15:18<Eugene>IIRC, the default is $50. They will gladly raise it if you have a history of paying on-time
15:18<zifnab>i knew the words existed
15:18<zifnab>new account, its lineage, i should mention its me
15:19<linbot>zifnab: DENIED
15:19<zifnab>damnit ginger
15:19*zifnab blames mcintosh
15:19<millisa>one of my new accounts only stayed on the $50 bill threshold for 3 months. it came out of that on its own
15:19*MajObviousman also blames mcintosh
15:20<@mcintosh>zifnab: i gotcha
15:20<zifnab>mcintosh: there's a ticket for you too
15:20<zifnab><3
15:20<zifnab>i delcare, mcintosh is best resident ginger
15:20<zifnab>declare?
15:21<zifnab>the best part of the /employees page: everyone's in black and white, so they're all gingers
15:21<zifnab>qdoba time
15:21<millisa>unless you mouse over them
15:21<dwfreed>^
15:21<zifnab>no
15:21<zifnab>that ruins the fun
15:22<Eugene>Pics of lunch
15:22<zifnab>sure
15:22<Eugene>I should eat something
15:22<zifnab>i just want queso and i've been told they smother everything in queso
15:22<Eugene>Spiders?
15:22<zifnab>i'd suggest qdoba but you can't drive
15:22<Eugene>Only because you have your car
15:22<zifnab>its wednesday
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15:22<@mcintosh><3 should be good to go there
15:22<zifnab>i assumed you had your work meeting
15:22<Eugene>Speaking of which, can we borrow it Sunday?
15:22<zifnab>thanks mcintosh
15:22<zifnab>Eugene: i'm at a bbq all day so...maybe? depends on how much an uber is?
15:23<zifnab>idk, uber to capital hill is like $40 or something stupid
15:23<Eugene>Honestly if you say no it makes my life easier. I don't want to go, but you how know my wife is -_-
15:23<scotti>capitol hill seattle ?
15:23*scotti misses that city
15:23<scotti>that's where I got my adult life started
15:23<scotti>moved there 19 years old
15:23<Eugene>Yup. Ballard resident currently.
15:23<zifnab>Eugene: i have a bbq
15:24<zifnab>so take that as a no, if you want
15:24<Eugene>zifnab - perfect thanks
15:24<zifnab>i honestly don't care either way
15:24<scotti>met the beautiful Ivona
15:24<zifnab>but, if its easier for me to say no
15:24<scotti>prettiest girl in my live ever
15:24<zifnab>scotti: i'm moving to fremont in a month hopefully
15:24<scotti>that's cool
15:24*scotti hasn't been in SEA for awhile
15:24<scotti>maybe 4-5 years now
15:24<scotti>haven't been in America in 3 years
15:24<zifnab>Eugene is moving back to an island
15:25<zifnab>he's an islander. it explains a lot
15:25<scotti>whidbey
15:25<scotti>w000000
15:25<Eugene>Vashon actually. Its a nice place.
15:25<MajObviousman>Eugene: you can't eat a picture
15:26<Eugene>3D printing is getting good
15:27<scotti>LET'S PLAY
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16:19<Eugene>Huh, never heard of IELTS. Apparently its a UK/Commonwealth visa thing?
16:20<zifnab>english language test
16:20<zifnab>you have to do it for some visas, unless you're from specific countries
16:21<zifnab>ie, if i ever wanted to work in australia, i'd need it (because of their points system, its worth about the same as a degree to be superiorly proficient in english)
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16:30<blindtrack>Hi
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17:01<Woet>zifnab: you have to score an 8 on all 4 parts for AU visa
17:01<Woet>even some native speakers struggle with that
17:02<zifnab>Woet: iirc native speaking countries are exempt assuming its your first language
17:02<zifnab>i looked into this for a job a few years ago
17:02<Woet>probably
17:02<zifnab>but, i don't have a degree, so its more points
17:02<Woet>i need to try and get that visa before i turn 30
17:02<Woet>because by the time i reach 30 i wont have enough points
17:02<Woet>no degree either
17:02<zifnab>yup
17:02<zifnab>the one i was looking for wasn't employer sponsored
17:03<zifnab>it was just 'go work over htere'
17:03<zifnab>'find a job once you get there'
17:03<Woet>i dont even want an AU job
17:03<Woet>i just want to live there
17:03<Woet>but naturally visas dont recognise the internet and telecommuting is a thing
17:03<zifnab>ah
17:04<zifnab>yeah, right
17:04<zifnab>i seriously tried for a rackspace job in AU
17:04<zifnab>then decided to not
17:05<Zimsky>zifnab: you should change fields and go into medicine
17:06<zifnab>i farted
17:06<Zimsky>do an mbbs, become a doctor
17:06<zifnab>i don't like blood
17:06<Zimsky>then you're going to have a hard time living
17:06<Zimsky>IT'S INSIDE YOU
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17:14<zifnab>i should not have had qdoba for lunch
17:14<millisa>definitely a breakfast thing
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17:14<zifnab>so much cheese
17:15<zifnab>i feel like i'm full of cheese
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17:15<Zimsky>zifnab: I'm eating a block of mozzarella
17:18<arlen>me too
17:18<zifnab>ugh
17:18<zifnab>i wish i could do dairy
17:19<zifnab>without feeling like hell
17:19<Eugene>Re: native english speakers have to qualify. Good. American schoolkids are, to put a not-too-fine point on it, dumb as shit with English. Enunciation, Punctuation, and Grammar are not that hard guys.
17:19<Eugene>Regional/global accents make it even worse
17:19<arlen>on fleek
17:20<Eugene>Such meme
17:21<zifnab>Eugene: but i speak english gud
17:21<zifnab>i'm actually the best english speaker
17:22<zifnab>i know the best words
17:22<zifnab>liek sirachi and
17:22<zifnab>something else that you all say wrong and i say right
17:22<Eugene>Your pronounciation and command of idioms leaves something to be desired, but I wouldn't throw you out for it
17:24<Zimsky>zifnab has the cheese diseese
17:24<Zimsky>aka hypolactasia
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17:25<Zimsky>I'd love to be hyperlactasic
17:25<zifnab>Eugene: in retrospeck, i believe you ate my stapler
17:25<Zimsky>you NEED to eat more dairy
17:25<zifnab>Zimsky: techncially not, i did all the tests for lactose
17:26<zifnab>Zimsky: its either whey or caesin and there's a missing test for either of them
17:26<Zimsky>zifnab: how long ago though
17:26<zifnab>within the last year?
17:26<Zimsky>hypolactasia comes and goes in some people
17:26<zifnab>and nothings changed, i still feel like shit when i have too much dairy
17:27<Zimsky>I myself have been through periods in which I would become a performing artist known as "Zimsky the Volcano" when eating any kind of dairy
17:27<Zimsky>whearas other times I can scoff down slice after slice of beautiful cheddar without so much as a gastrointestinal "how do you do?"
17:28<zifnab>small amounts are generally fine
17:28<Zimsky>enzymatic imbalance?
17:28<zifnab>no clue :P
17:28<Zimsky>wololo
17:29<zifnab>its all whargarbling to me
17:39<Eugene>zifnab - I have a black Swingline on my desk, and a pocket-size one in the junk drawer
17:39<zifnab>Eugene: i was pointing out that pronunciation of idioms doesnt matter
17:39<zifnab>its like duck tape
17:39<zifnab>everyone knows what duck tape is
17:39<zifnab>you tape ducks with it
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18:44<Eugene>I actually don't mine Duck vs Duct tape, because Duck is an actual brand of tape so therefore thats what you asked for. Sorry, all I have is Gorilla tape. And Kleenex
18:45<Eugene>And if it were up to me, Charmin. But instead we use northern comfort or something
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18:46<Eugene>"duct tape", much like aerospace "speed tape" is a specific-use product and not good for general-purpose sticking anyway
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19:18<nate>gorilla tape is what's mandatory for a vehicle trunk
19:18<nate>shit will hold an engine block in place
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19:35<FluffyFoxeh>^.^
19:37<zifnab>!help wx
19:37<linbot>zifnab: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://kovaya.com/wx.cgi?icao=$1&requester=$nick".
19:52<Zimsky>!wx BIKF
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19:58<FluffyFoxeh>>breaking an API because the word "suicide" might trigger people
19:58<FluffyFoxeh>https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/13684
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20:07<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: the appropriate response to that kind of post is "kill yourself"
20:07<FluffyFoxeh>quite
20:07<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: read https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/13684#issuecomment-308570873
20:08<dwfreed>also, as pointed out at the start, from a technical perspective, it's not an appropriate use of the term either
20:08<FluffyFoxeh>yeah but the whole argument is framed as "our documentation is literally killing people" when that's absurd
20:09<dwfreed>no, it's not
20:09<FluffyFoxeh>also the spoiler just makes it sound like he's doing this out of some misplaced guilt
20:09<dwfreed>read the comment I just linked
20:09<millisa>besides, renaming it to 'seppuku' . . did it really help?
20:09<FluffyFoxeh>I am reading it
20:09<FluffyFoxeh>it's what I'm referring to
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20:11<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide
20:13<FluffyFoxeh>I think this is different from simply reading the word suicide in an API doc
20:13<dwfreed>it's in the code, it makes it into logs
20:14<millisa>i guess stonith should be removed from docs too?
20:14<dwfreed>that's a touch different
20:14<millisa>2nd amendment?
20:14<dwfreed>not very many people realize just how fine a thread some people can be hanging on to until they've been somewhere close to that themselves
20:15<millisa>I guess. I don't have perspective on it.
20:15<FluffyFoxeh>i've been pretty close
20:15<FluffyFoxeh>but that's irrelevant, it's silly to kid yourself into thinking you can remove all the possible suicide triggers in the world and that trying to do so will make a net gain
20:16<Zimsky>for once, I agree with dwfreed
20:16<Zimsky>maybe twice, you say a lot of good points
20:16<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: that's not the thought; they're just trying to remove one, to do their part
20:17<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: it doesn't really work as a decent label to begin with
20:17<Zimsky>if someone is complaining that sys.exit() is triggering, that would be ridiculous
20:17<FluffyFoxeh>it's only a hair apart from that, I feel like this person would remove all references to SIGKILL if they had the means
20:18<Zimsky>or the usage of the terms "master" and "slave" in the context of a codebase being racist or offensive
20:18<Zimsky>some I'm all against inane political correctness, but some things are just silly any way you cut them
20:18<Zimsky>s/^some //
20:18<dwfreed>it's already been deprecated for 3 full release cycles
20:19<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: are you arguing against that specific person's rationale and justifications? or the generalised concept
20:22<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: sort of the whole idea of making it emotional instead of technical. he could have just said it's being removed because it's deprecated and not needed anymore. but he goes on a weird barely relevant tirade and drags his dead friend into it instead of just leaving it at "dead code removal"
20:22<FluffyFoxeh>which is fine, I guess
20:22<FluffyFoxeh>but why
20:25<FluffyFoxeh>and trigger warnings for the release notes? really? it's even counterproductive to make such a big deal about it. it woudln't have caught my eye just browsing his github page if he didn't use such passionate language
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20:47<temp>hi ,
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20:54<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: trigger warnings are a bit pointless in any circumstance
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20:55<Zimsky>there's exceptions to that, but I won't go into them
20:55<millisa>hi, temp
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21:10<temp>hello millisa,
21:10<temp>where are you from ,
21:10<temp>im from China,
21:10<millisa>Earth, welcome to my homeworld!
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22:07<Tricccle>If anyone here has a VPS in the dallas center could you run a traceroute to literally anywhere? My traceroutes get stuck at 173.255.207.2 for a while before getting through. All outside requests hang for a while before connecting
22:09<Tricccle>Connection dies intermittently don't get it, submitting a ticket I guess
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22:09<Peng>>_<
22:10<Peng>I think Tricccle's problem is the broken reverse DNS on 173.255.207.2
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22:10<Ikaros>What makes you think that
22:10<Peng>Well, *part* of the problem.
22:11<Ikaros>Would have helped if he'd given us his IP
22:11<Peng>traceroute looks "stuck" if an rDNS lookup is slow.
22:11<Ikaros>But noo, people join IRC and expect to always get a response right away...so I doubt we would have gotten to ask
22:19<Zimsky>207.255.173.in-addr.arpa is seemingly broken
22:31<Zimsky>with that said, d.in-addr-servers.arpa is having trouble on one of its ipv4 anycast nodes
22:34<Peng>The Linode zone is really broken. They got the RIR or w/e to create the delegation NS records, but didn't set up a zone on their own nameservers, so resolvers consider it broken.
22:35<Peng>They're aware of it.
22:37<Zimsky>I'm sure
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22:53<jack_>??
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22:53<millisa>!
22:54<jack_>help center ??
22:54<jack_>here?
22:54<millisa>!ask
22:54<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
22:55<jack_>1 GB RAM 1 CPU Core 20 GB SSD Storage 1 TB Transfer 40 Gbps Network In 1000 Mbps Network Out
22:56<millisa>looks like the $5/month plan
22:56<arlen>great plan
22:56<jack_>yes
22:56<jack_>does it support ssl?
22:56<arlen>yes
22:56<millisa>it does if you make it
22:56<millisa>you get root access to install what linux you like and install whatever (legal) software you like
22:57<jack_>what will be website space for this plan
22:57<millisa>that'd be the ssd storage part
22:57<jack_>Sorry, i don't understand..
22:58<millisa>what don't you understand?
22:58<arlen>20GB
22:58<jack_>20GB??
22:58<arlen>yup
23:01<jack_>tks for the help
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23:06<zifnab>i just learned a thing i must share
23:06<Zimsky>HELP CENTER ??
23:06<zifnab>from `man apt-get`
23:06<zifnab>remove is identical to install except that packages are removed instead of installed. Note that removing a package leaves its configuration files on the system. If a plus sign is appended to the package name (with no intervening space), the identified package will be installed instead of removed.
23:06<zifnab>apt-get remove +nginx
23:06<zifnab>installs nginx
23:07<Zimsky>very cisco-IOS-behaviour
23:07<Zimsky>no shutdown
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23:08<tina>hello
23:09<tina>can i pay by paypal
23:09<millisa>welcome back, jack
23:09<dwfreed>zifnab: I think that would be 'apt-get remove nginx+'
23:09<tina>- -!
23:09<zifnab>dwfreed: even better, i can't read
23:09<zifnab>what the fuck
23:09<millisa>tina: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
23:09<zifnab>thats even fucking better, what the fuck, seriously
23:10<millisa>apt-get remove g+++
23:11<tina>Linode 1GB Does $5/mo has include SSL, or i need pay for this fee's
23:12<arlen>included if you set it up
23:12<millisa>tina: it's an empty vps. you'll install linux, get root access and install/setup everything. you can get a letsencrypt cert; they don't cost money
23:12<nate>tina: Linode is not an SSL certificate authority, you need to buy any certificates for your domain(s)/etc or look into let's encrypt for freebes
23:13<nate>they're pretty easy to use and most distros these days even have the LE tools in their packages I think
23:13<tina>your guys are really nice
23:14<tina>better than the bluehost
23:14<arlen>DO?
23:14<millisa>that's because linode is better than bluehost.
23:15<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • StackScript output to a log? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=5426&p=73915#p73915> || Web Servers and Web App Development • /dev/root size keeps going up <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14816&p=73914#p73914>
23:22<zifnab>millisa: g++ is not a valid package name afaict
23:22<millisa>that might be just the powerpc one
23:22<millisa>uh, aewc++?
23:23<zifnab>Sec
23:23<zifnab>Grabbing package from basement
23:23<zifnab>Before Amazon steals my wall art back
23:24<millisa>er, aewm++ try that one
23:25<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • nginx fastcgi_cache much much slower when "caching" WordPress, rather than a test php file <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14655&p=73916#p73916>
23:27<millisa>i used 'apt-get remove xgalaga+++' because everyone needs that.
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23:39<Blaine>Hello
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23:40<Blaine>I would like to ask for your assistance with regard to an account verification.
23:41<Blaine>?
23:41<Blaine>anybody there?
23:42<Peng>This channel can't help with account-specific questions, though we may be able to give general comments.
23:42<zifnab>millisa: sorry, just got back, interesting i wonder how they differentiate 'nginx+' as 'install nginx' and 'nginx+' as in 'remove nginx+'
23:43<Peng>You need to contact Linode for specific verification matters.
23:43<zifnab>!support
23:43<zifnab>!contact
23:43<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
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23:43<zifnab>!slap linbot
23:45<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • DNS not propagating for subdomain/s <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14895&p=73917#p73917>
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