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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-06-29

---Logopened Thu Jun 29 00:00:54 2017
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00:14<zifnab>slightly more impressive than !metar
00:14<zifnab>i've found you can listen to airports ATC channels online
00:14<zifnab>this is all magic
00:14<Peng>You can call them on the phone to get the weather report from a robot.
00:15<zifnab>!metar ksea
00:15<linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KSEA: 62.6F/17C, visibility 10 miles, wind 6.90 mph, chill 62.40F (altimeter: 30.07) [KSEA 290353Z 25006KT 10SM BKN035 17/11 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP188 T01720106]
00:15<zifnab>its like 300 people talking
00:16<zifnab>i'm wrong, there are 3 runways, still
00:18<zifnab>KSEA does have hte largest parking structure in the US (under one roof), 13k cars
00:19<Zimsky><zifnab> i've found you can listen to airports ATC channels online
00:19<Zimsky>you don't say
00:19<zifnab>i assumed they were not public info
00:20<Zimsky>in countries with laws that aren't shit, ATC communications are public information if they're being transmitted
00:20<Zimsky>except the UK, because the UK has shit laws which do nothing for that
00:20<Zimsky>you 'legally' can't receive airband radio
00:22<Zimsky>their rationale behind it seems to be that it's "information that could be used against british airspace"
00:22<Zimsky>it's really not hard to get/make an airband receiver
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00:58*arlen slaps dcraig around a bit with a large razorback sucker
01:06<arlen>why not
01:10<Peng>*You're* :( ?!
01:14<dcraig>your beautiful
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01:20<arlen>Peng: :(
01:32<FluffyFoxeh>I can get airband on my handheld ham radio
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01:33<numbercode>what's fuck linode
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01:33<FluffyFoxeh>!boo numbercode
01:33<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Point taken from numbercode! (-1)
01:33<numbercode>i can not sign up, said our email is invalid
01:34<millisa>is your email possibly invalid?
01:35<numbercode>is invalid?
01:35<millisa>if your domain is really, then it looks like it has no mx
01:37<Linguica>i dont check in here often, has there been any news lately on the block storage front
01:37<arlen>yes it's in beta
01:37<millisa>there is a beta
01:37<arlen>see the topic
01:37<Linguica>oh nice
01:38<numbercode>are you kidding me? it can be visit
01:38<Linguica>also uh... how do i use apache. please do everything for me. for free. right now
01:38<linbot>arlen: Install Odoo 10 on Ubuntu 16.04 <> || Install a Custom Distribution on a Linode <> || Build Database Clusters with MongoDB <> || Create a (6 more messages)
01:38<numbercode>my email is working for me
01:38<millisa>what is the domain name of the email?
01:38<arlen>doubt it
01:39<millisa>might be. looks like it's got mx's
01:39<zifnab>someone bought cloud.butt
01:39<zifnab>i am sad
01:39<zifnab>Peng: your the reason their angry
01:40<Peng>Linode doesn't allow signups from certain email providers. I don't know the list, but perhaps that's one of them.
01:40<FluffyFoxeh>zifnab: I cringed
01:41<numbercode>so bad
01:43<@armiller>numbercode: Could you open a ticket about this? You should be able to signup using a address, so there is likely some other issue here
01:49<zifnab>Can't create an account. Open a ticket. I see a chicken and egg problem :)
01:50<zifnab>Unless rhat no longer requires email verification
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02:16<Eugene>I bought a domain.
02:16<Eugene>Obviously I should start a CDN or something?
02:25<Ikaros>Excuse me while I go laugh a bit
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02:37<dcraig>I don't know what I drank last night, but I woke up with a new domain
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02:44<Peng>I hope it's a good one. :D
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03:19<lyhul>Can I user paypal for payment?
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03:23<Peng>When signing up? No. For later payments? Yes.
03:23<Peng>You can always use one of those PayPal credit card thingies, though.
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03:29<lyhul>Can I use paypal from different credit card which I used to sign up?
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04:03<YesButProbablyNo>anyone here have experiance with mailman 3?
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04:05<Zimsky>yeah, however most likely not
04:06<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • I want to increase my hard drive(Storage) <>
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04:16<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • I want to increase my hard drive(Storage) <>
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04:46<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • /dev/root size keeps going up <>
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05:11<Dan>Hello, Can someone provide me with a postal address for Linode in the UK please?
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05:54<Vivek_>is this Linode support chat?
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05:55<Peng>Y... ...
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06:01<vivek_>do you offer servers with whm
06:01<Woet>are you going to stay longer than 16 seconds this time?
06:02<Woet>you can get it through
06:02<Woet>or just buy and install it yourself
06:03<vivek_>is it paid?
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06:08<YesButProbablyNo>anyone here have experiance with mailman 3?
06:14<Woet>vivek_: of course
06:15<Woet>!ask YesButProbablyNo
06:15<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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06:33<Celti>I used to run a few mailman lists, but DMARC/DKIM makes it a royal pain — I kinda gave up.
06:40<YesButProbablyNo>the mailman 2 seems quite straight forward
06:40<YesButProbablyNo>but I can't seem to find a good guide on installing mailman 3
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06:44<YesButProbablyNo>I would prefer to stay away from mailman 2, as it is a bit too aged imho
06:50<Woet>why would you use a mailing list over a forum?
06:50<Celti>Because pretty much universally, forum software sucks.
06:51*Celti shrugs.
06:52<YesButProbablyNo>I don't think forum software sucks, but I need a mailing list software that can assign email addresses to lists
06:52<YesButProbablyNo>forums won't quite do what I want
06:54<YesButProbablyNo>I thought about mailchimp or similar too, but I would rather prefer that a list had a simple enough address assigned to it
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07:51<raj_>all is cloud server right ??
07:51<raj_>in this table -
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07:54<Woet>did he even know what cloud means when he asked that?
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08:20<andrea_>hello there
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09:17<Stockholm_-_Ker>I tought this was a support chat
09:17<Stockholm_-_Ker>it seems to be a lot of people in? is it possible to chat with support here?
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10:08<thrasher_1969>is there a linode rep here?
10:08<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
10:09<thrasher_1969>Your signup for email has a problem.. it doesn't except my email address.. It is thrasher_1969@... and it doesn't like the underscore..
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10:10<Woet>thrasher_1969: i doubt that
10:11<thrasher_1969>Usernames may only contain letters, numbers, dashes, and underscores and must begin and end with letters or numbers. —
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10:11<thrasher_1969>and my under score doesn't begin or end with a letter...
10:11<thrasher_1969>or it does begin and end properly..
10:11<Woet>worked fine
10:12<Woet>thrasher_1969: it clearly says "Username", not email.
10:12<ChanFeng>Does anyone has connectivity issues to Latin America?
10:12<Woet>thrasher_1969: are you entering your email address in the username field..?
10:12<thrasher_1969>Ok... I should re-read.. the @ it didn't like :)
10:14<ChanFeng>From Dallas to Chile, I have connectivity issues.
10:14<Woet>ChanFeng: traceroute?
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10:17<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] CentOS 7 - easy setup guide <>
10:21<Woet>whoo another TOP TIP!
10:23<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Buy Linodes <>
10:23<Woet>mcintosh pls
10:24<Woet>!point Eugene
10:24<linbot>Woet: Point given to eugene. (25)
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10:26<ChanFeng>Here is MTR
10:26<ChanFeng> 1. 0.0% 32 0.6 0.7 0.5 3.6 0.5 2. 0.0% 32 0.7 0.7 0.6 0.8 0.1 3.
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10:26<Peng>Please use a pastebin
10:27<Peng>such as
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10:30<ChanFeng>Here is an image
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10:36<ChanFeng>On this images is the MTR:
10:50<Woet>that doesnt look like a linode issue
10:52<ChanFeng>It looks like it is Telia issue.
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10:57<MajObviousman>Eugene: please begin vending cloud to me
10:57<MajObviousman>I will pay in dogecoin
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11:02<csnxs>I will pay in physical doge
11:03<Woet>what if its 0.5 doge?
11:05<ponas>sounds possible, but that changes the characteristics of the doge
11:05<MajObviousman>physical doge cannot be considered currency, because it is not divisible
11:05<Woet>i saw a doge petting station in tokyo
11:05<MajObviousman>once divided, the doge does not go back together again
11:05<Woet>you donated some money and you were allowed to pet
11:07<csnxs>MajObviousman, wanna bet?
11:08<MajObviousman> no
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11:10<aewalle>i delete my account :(
11:10<aewalle>who can help me i want recovery
11:12<csnxs>probably best to email support
11:13<aewalle>thank you ,i have send an email
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11:33<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:33<Woet>you're not tho
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11:35<synfinatic>good morning world
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11:45<csnxs>my name's csnxs, not 'world'
11:49<alexf>FYI Google is still serving results pointing to, which 504's. Might wanna set up a redirect.
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11:57<@mcintosh>alexf: thanks!
11:58<alexf>mcintosh: i gotchu fam
11:58<alexf>So, I'm trying to run a nodejs app behind apache. Both services are using the same SSL certs. Here's the vhost config: - and here's the partial load I'm getting from the app: - any advice?
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12:26<dwfreed>alexf: looks like the app failed; does it work if you hit it directly, instead of through apache?
12:27<alexf>Yes. I've also switched the app to listen over http, and adjuted the vhost accordingly. I suppose I don't HAVE to have encryption for localhost traffic
12:28<alexf>at the moment I'm looking at the reverse proxy section of the app readme:
12:28<alexf>Trying to figure out the bit about specifying a socket location.
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12:30<Eugene>I would try to get it working sans SSL on the backend, then add that part back in. Bravo to you for actually encrypting app-server traffic
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12:30<alexf>Eugene: that's exactly what I'm doing right meow
12:30<alexf>currently the app is back in http mode
12:30<Eugene>My random 2c guess is that Apache is failing to handle the certificate? Is LE(presumably?) in the certstore its looking at?
12:31<Eugene>Orr the nodejs app not including the full chain
12:31<Eugene>I would test it with s_client
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12:31<alexf>app is back in http mode, same results
12:33<dwfreed>alexf: want to PM me the DNS name this is hosted on? I can poke at it a little more
12:33<alexf>I'll probably take you up on it. One of the errors exposed the location I was running this app in (which was in my home dir), so I'm configuring a fresh install in a safer location
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13:44<ddosprotect>looking for a package with packet filtering ip addresses
13:45<ddosprotect>anyone from the staff around
13:45<Woet>how is that a staff question?
13:45<ddosprotect>its related to linode's services
13:45<Woet>linode doesnt sell any ddos protection.
13:46<Woet>i thought that was quite clear
13:46<ddosprotect>then what do i do if i want protection
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13:49<@jalter>ddosprotect: CloudFlare, Sucuri, Black Lotus, Prolexic...
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13:49<tarballs>open the door
13:50<@jalter>They all would be a great addition for your Linode
13:50<tarballs>get on the floor
13:50<tarballs>everybody walk the dinosaur
13:50<Eugene>You're a towel
13:50<Lucas_>Has anyone done the Zend Guard Loader installation on a debian server? can you help me?
13:51<tarballs>I'm a towel
13:52<tarballs>I have come to ask for help
13:53<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
13:53<tarballs>thank you!
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13:54<tarballs>I just need to test my piwik install, but I don't have any data because I don't have any visitors to my site yet. If someone could just visit my site, thats all I need. The url is
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13:55<tarballs>or if anyone knows an easy way to get maybe a dozen clicks just so I know if my cookies are working, thats all I need
13:56<ponas>you now have one more visitor
13:56<tarballs>yes! hi five!
13:57<Celti>tarballs: might give you a wide range of hits
13:57<Celti>ANd from a variety of user-agents
13:57<tarballs>oh excellent! thank you so much!
14:02<Eugene>tarballs - if you're going to use a HTML5 reactive javascript bullshit for navigation, please, for the love of Dog, at least make it do #About in the URL so you can actually link to sections
14:02<tarballs>its running now. what a cool site. thank you so much
14:03<Eugene>Right now it is a complete usability nightmare ;-)
14:03<tarballs>thanks, I will! Its just a splash page , I'm just getting started
14:04<tarballs>I've only just started working on it
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14:22<den>i need to move to linode
14:22<den>is this the right place to address that
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14:23<ponas>if you have questions, we may have the answers
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14:25<den>i need to upload my content to inode
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14:29<den>how much traffic can this handle - Linode 4GB
14:33<ponas>depends, probably enough
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14:34<den>give me an estimate
14:35<synfinatic>well you get 3TB outbound/month for free. you can easily exceed that depending on what and how you go about things
14:36<synfinatic>that said, it really depends because static vs. dynamic content is _VERY_ different. like orders of magnitude so there is no good blanket estimate
14:36<den>what about the number of visitor can get into a site, that is number of proceses alowed
14:36<synfinatic>as many processes that can fit in RAM
14:37<synfinatic>they don't limit number of visitors
14:37<ponas>it depends on the application stack and the complexity of your app
14:37<synfinatic>it's a linux box, not shared hosting
14:37<den>is there whm/cpanel available
14:37<den>i need to host a site
14:37<ponas>you can buy a cpanel license and install cpanel on your linode
14:38<ponas>if you pay for managed it's included
14:41<den>how much is cpanel for linode 4gb
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15:28<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <>
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16:02<Goo>Hi. Can a Linode be downsized if the hard drive allocation is 100%, but very little of it is used?
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16:04<@caker>yes, but you have to resize the disk(s) smaller before resizing down
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16:18<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • User unknown in virtual alias table <>
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16:43<tmberg>%ERROR:201: access denied for 2a01:7e01:0:0:f03c:91ff:fefb:bebb
16:43<tmberg>% Sorry, access from your host has been permanently
16:43<tmberg>% denied because of a repeated excessive querying.
16:43<dwfreed>RIPE is silly
16:44<Peng>And apparently other people whois too much :P
16:44<dwfreed>I mean, if you group all the Linodes in Frankfurt together
16:44<synfinatic>heh, guess i'm not the only one
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17:20<staticsafe>(ask Linode for a routed /64 and add one IP from that)
17:20<staticsafe>that will solve the issue
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18:05<dwfreed>staticsafe: yeah, mentioned in the other #linode
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18:17<FluffyFoxeh>the other #linode?
18:18<dzho>on the other IRC network
18:18<FluffyFoxeh>on the other internet?
18:20<Woet>on the darknet
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20:19<Archon810>hi all, any issues in Fremont today?
20:20<Archon810>There should be a core router upgrade there today
20:20<Archon810>I'm seeing pretty bad latency
20:20<Zimsky>that's me
20:23<Archon810>this is just from one of the linodes to our Cloudflare-backed node balancer
20:24<Archon810>seems to be only over ipv6
20:24<Archon810>mtr -4 has 0 packet loss
20:24<relidy>0% loss, StDev of 0.0? That looks pretty stable to me.
20:25<Archon810>@relidy hop 2 shows 37.5% loss
20:25<relidy>But you're not trying to talk to hop #2, except in this trace. I'll leave this to the experts ...
20:26<Peng>There's no loss at the other hops. It doesn't matter.
20:26<Archon810>if there's loss along the way...
20:26<Peng>But there's no loss at the end. And the end is where you normally care about sending packets.
20:28<Peng>Loss in the middle indicates the router in question may be highly loaded or dislike you (and dropping low priority, CPU heavy packets like mtr replies) but if there's no loss later, it's evidently forwarding normal traffic with no problem.
20:29<Archon810>I tried downloading a file from our servers from home, and it just hung for a good minute
20:29<Archon810>I tried the same thing from a Linode, and the same thing happened
20:29<Archon810>so OK, maybe not packet loss, but routing issues
20:29<Zimsky>that could be an application-level issue
20:29<Zimsky>especially if it's hanging
20:29<Archon810>given the drops at hops 2 and 3, I suspect not
20:29<Archon810>unless it's a Clouflare issue
20:30<Zimsky>did you understand what peng said though
20:30<Archon810>I've never seen nginx just freeze like that
20:30<Archon810>"Loss in the middle indicates the router in question may be highly loaded" - or a myriad of other issues, right, like having routing issues
20:30<Archon810>wouldn't be the first time HE had them, for instance
20:31<Zimsky>if it had routing issues, you'd find loss at the endpoint too
20:31<Zimsky>not /just/ at a particular hop
20:33<Archon810>the issue has subsided, perhaps the mtr was after it was already over
20:33<Archon810>if it continues, I'll retest then
20:33<Archon810>thanks all
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20:34<Archon810>one more thing to add, btw, is that at some point all my Linode SSH connections hiccuped
20:34<arlen>have them drink some water
20:34<Archon810>could have indicated a Fremont issue
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20:34<Archon810>considering today's router replacement at Fremont
20:34<arlen>or a issue local to your servers
20:35<Zimsky>arlen: doesn't always work
20:35<Zimsky>hiccups are nasty fucks
20:35<arlen>Zimsky: stick out your tongue and hold your breath
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20:35<Zimsky>I do not recommend that
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20:36<Zimsky>generally, breathing is something you want to keep doing
20:36<arlen>what if you're under water?
20:36<Zimsky>that's why I say "generally"
20:36<Zimsky>water would be an exception
20:37<Zimsky>same goes for Halon 1301
20:37<Zimsky>or inergen
20:37<Zimsky>it's always fun when you're in a datacenter and the fire alarm goes off
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20:44<nate>so just take deep breaths, you'll be fine
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20:47<Zimsky>nate: just don't be the guy that accidentally mis-orders hydrogen canisters instead of halon
20:47<Zimsky>heh heh heh
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21:22<FluffyFoxeh>halon is bad shit
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21:24<millisa>don't think i've seen an actual halon system in a decade. most stuff now I see is either perfluorohexane or the heptafluoropropane/fm200 stuff
21:24<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: you ever tried methanal?
21:25<Zimsky>yes, my usage of the systematic name was intentional.
21:25<millisa>both taste awful
21:25<FluffyFoxeh>tried it? how? :p
21:25<millisa>recreational fm200 abuse. talk to your children about it.
21:26<millisa>before it's too late.
21:26<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: formaldehyde is one of my favourite compounds
21:26<Zimsky>so handy
21:26<Zimsky>so cancerous
21:26<FluffyFoxeh>doesn't it cause cancer
21:26<Zimsky>it doesn't necessarily "cause" cancer
21:27<Zimsky>it's carcinogenic
21:27<Zimsky>which means it /can/
21:27<FluffyFoxeh>well, yeah
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22:08<ubu>hey guys i have an error: "Failed to start LSB: Start/stop denyhosts." when i look at "systemctl status denyhosts.service" I gives this "Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/denyhosts; bad; vendor preset: enabled)"
22:08<ubu>I looked up and it says it's perhaps fail2ban? I tried aptitude reinstall fail2ban but i don't believe it has fixed the issue
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22:12<ubu>can someone please help me? I don't know what to do
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22:15<gparent>unless things have changed, denyhosts and fail2ban are separate
22:16<gparent>I don't know exactly how to help you, but you need to figure out if there are any problems starting denyhosts, and presumably fix those issues if they are really issues.
22:16<gparent>usually this means reading logs to troubleshooting what happens when you start, or running the service manually and seeing if it outputs anything relevant
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22:24<ubu>gparent: denyhosts[5086]: start-stop-daemon: unable to start /usr/share/denyhosts/ (No such file or directory)
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22:26<ubu>the package was broken it seems, had to purge and reinstall
22:26<ubu>thanks for the help
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