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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-07-02

---Logopened Sun Jul 02 00:00:54 2017
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03:22<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to set WordPress to send email? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14957&p=73937#p73937>
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05:02<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to set WordPress to send email? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14957&p=73938#p73938>
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10:14<user>hello
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10:14<seashell>hi
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10:19<seashell>anyone?
10:19<seashell>hello?
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10:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=73939#p73939>
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15:23<isaac>hi
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15:27<MWA>hello, i was wondering if anyone knows where to find how out how much bandwidth i used each month
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15:30<dwfreed>MWA: you can get the information on a per-linode basis from the graphs tab of each linode (click each of the prior months)
15:33<MWA>there isn't a place that just has it all added up saying "you transfered this ammount"
15:33<MWA>amount
15:33<MWA>?
15:36<millisa>it shows for the current month at the bottom of the manager
15:36<millisa>(doesn't help you for last month)
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15:54<dwfreed>please don't do that
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19:49<luxiius>Heya. Does Linode count both outgoing and inbound traffic towards the bandwidth limit?
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19:49<nate>luxiius: Outgoing (from the linode) only
19:49<luxiius>Thanks
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19:49<visitor11>Has Linode changed its habit of asking for ID cards etc upon new user registration (to stop fraud)?
19:51<Woet>probably not
19:51<Woet>why?
19:52<nate>visitor11: Well seeing as that would in turn probably promote fraud, that would be a bad thing
19:52<visitor11>Haven't the industry found a better way to fight with fraud?
19:52<Woet>like asking for ID cards?
19:53<visitor11>Ramnode was using a 3rd party service if I recall correctly
19:53<Woet>Linode should just accept BTC
19:54<nate>visitor11: And chances are that third party service was asking for some sort of identification card at some point as well, either that or they were digging into your personal information more than you'd likely be comfortable with if you're too concerned to even share a basic identification card
19:54<nate>lol
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20:06<visitor11>If you have a proper (e.g. > 2 years) history at a similar-sized hosting company, that should be enough. Having a "score" at a common customer database sounds better than handing out my photo ID to a hosting company.
20:07<visitor11>Linode gets hacked..your photo ID is all over the net
20:11<nate>visitor11: Pretty sure they're not keeping your photo ID. Though you would rather have your personal information and usage information shared with tons of otherwise competing companies that you'll never likely get with?
20:11<nate>Really?
20:12<nate>Also what does it matter? It's a photo ID? $15 and a lookup on any state's websites can generally get someone your state ID
20:12<nate>or license, whichever you have still active
20:12<nate>Which is probably what that "3rd party service" from ramnode was doing to some extent
20:13<nate>State ID's aren't generally carrying any overly sensitive information, which is why they're used so openly, if you buy booze, cigs, a game rated R or 18+, etc. (or at least you're supposed to be) lol
20:14<visitor11>good to hear but I'm not from US
20:14<Cromulent>also when I was asked for some ID when I lost 2FA access they sent me a GPG public key so I could send them encrypted and then I guess they are deleted
20:15<nate>visitor11: What nation are you from exactly where your basic personal ID is some sort of "Protect with your life" necessity? I don't think I've ever heard of a nation where basic identity cards weren't otherwise easily obtainable information anyways.
20:16<nate>Point is it's highly unlikely they're keeping it, and they do it for a reason
20:16<nate>whether themselves directly or spending the money on a third party service to do it (who most likely digs a lot deeper than just an ID check)
20:16<rsdehart>nate: they should just not check anything at all, for visitor11's convenience
20:16<nate>indeed lol
20:17<nate>what's wrong with a bit of fraud anyways :P
20:17<rsdehart>right?
20:17<nate>until it happens to visitor11 and he tosses a fit asking why a company didn't verify it was him
20:17<nate>lol
20:18<visitor11>anyway, I'm not here to argue on this, I was just curious if there was a change or not. Wish ours was not that problematic to share.
20:20<Cromulent>what is the point of having an ID card you can't show anyone? Isn't the whole point of ID cards to... prove your ID?
20:22<Peng>Cromulent: Which is an even better reason not to have them permanently lying around in JPEG form all over the place :P
20:22<Peng>Also not everyone has an ID. :/
20:25<nate>Peng: That seems weird to me though
20:25<nate>Some form of ID is generally mandatory
20:25<Cromulent>not in the UK
20:26<nate>Cromulent: Are you talking carry or -have-? You don't have to even be -issued- any sort of identification card in the UK at all?
20:26<nate>Or just don't have to carry it?
20:26<Cromulent>we have passports or drivers licenses - neither are required to own
20:26<Peng>Same in the US. Though it obviously limits what you can do.
20:27<nate>Peng: Pretty sure you're technically required to get a state ID at minimum in most if not all states, however you don't have to carry/show it, just 'have' it (other than a drivers license obviously if you're driving)
20:28<nate>At least when I turned 16 in PA our school had this big thing of helping you get your ID and stuff
20:28<Cromulent>they tried to bring in ID cards here and there was such a shit storm they dropped the plans
20:28<nate>they don't even care if it expires, just that you have one, I used my expired state ID for like a good 14 years just out of fun if anything lol
20:29<Peng>It's important, but not legally required, afaik. You could say it's practically required to live a normal life.
20:30<Peng>And if the state considers you a man, you have to register for conscription, but that's separate.
20:31<dwfreed>draft registration is a federal requirement for all males
20:31<nate>Well you still get mandatory draft carding anyways I think, which you're supposed to carry on you at all times as well lol
20:31<dwfreed>nobody does
20:32<dwfreed>I'm not even sure where mine is anymore
20:32<Peng>Mine's in my wallet. :P
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20:35<nate>dwfreed: I do >.>
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20:55<kronos003>nate: what country do you need/get a draft or conscription card?
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20:56<Peng>kronos003: US. Among others, no doubt.
20:57<kronos003>I'm in the US and I never got any such thing - is this something new?
20:57<arlen>lol no
20:57<dzho>you don't get it--it's something you have to go and do
20:58<dzho>which is to say, register
20:58<kronos003>nobody ever told me I had to
20:58<kronos003>unless this is a fancy way of saying register to vote?
20:58<dzho>no
20:58<arlen>nope
20:58<arlen>https://www.sss.gov/
21:00<kronos003>I'm too old anyway haha
21:00<dzho>another one of those things that isn't a big deal, unless you step out of line and are too poor or undereducated to put up a defense
21:00<Peng>kronos003: If it's applicable to you, you may have taken care of it without thinking about it when getting a driver's license/ID as a teen.
21:00<kronos003>yeah, thats possible
21:01<dzho>apparently from reading some of that, if you never did it, it can come back to bite you
21:02<kronos003>but I've gotten federal loans and things like that, so they must have my information somehow - nobody ever gave me a card though
21:02<dzho>Coincidentally, I was reading up on this guy the other day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Oi
21:04<nate>kronos003: Your school probably shoulda told you lol
21:04<nate>it's something you're supposed to do when you turn 18
21:04<nate>nobody ever really expects them to be used, but technically if a draft ever would happen and you don't have a card, you could get in trouble potentially, though I doubt anyone would
21:05<dzho>there'd be a flurry of compliance-related activity, probably
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21:11<nate>kronos003: federal -student- loan?
21:11<nate>I think those are the only ones checked against SSS
21:11<nate>It's just education oriented loans/grants impacted, not other federal loans
21:12<Peng>kronos003: You can look yourself up, if you so desire. https://www.sss.gov/Home/Verification
21:16<nate>Suddenly I'm reminded I technically never did get my card updated for my latest move, oops
21:17<arlen>uh oh
21:17<arlen>to the slammer!
21:18<nate>Nah they don't care about that, but it might be nice to get a new card, my previous one is in pretty rugged shape :P
21:18<arlen>i dont remember ever getting a card
21:19<Peng>Yeah, those cards are crap. The trick is to move every six months and always get a fresh one. :P
21:24<nate>Well for a long while I was moving around so much I just had my address set as a family members house for most important stuff so I didn't have to keep doing change of address shit with the USPS
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