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00:16<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Professional Pest Control Company <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14959&p=73942#p73942>
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01:01<BDIkaros>Hm. Professional pest control company. Yeah. Think we need one for a particular type of pest - spammers. >.>
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01:27<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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02:04<Akshay>hellp
02:04<Akshay>hello
02:04<Akshay>i need some help
02:04<Akshay>anyone?
02:04<Akshay>there?
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02:04<millisa>!ask
02:04<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
02:05<Akshay>how do i configure cpanel?
02:05<Akshay>or whm
02:06<millisa>as in how do you install it?
02:06<Akshay>yes
02:06<Akshay>:)
02:06<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/install-cpanel-on-centos
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03:13<Hashmining>Password forget is not working
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03:15<millisa>what part isn't working?
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03:19<arlen>now we'll never know :(
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04:11<rockwet>hi
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04:11<millisa>greetings
04:12<rockwet>i couldn't install my SSL in linode , pl help
04:12<millisa>why not?
04:13<rockwet>my developer tried to install , but couldn't ,whether from ur side u can install SSL for me
04:15<rockwet>hi..ther?
04:15<millisa>What did you try? What errors are you getting?
04:18<rockwet>i don't know about the errors , my developer said he followed the same procedure thats been told in linode page ,but it couldn't be done , so he asked me to raise the ticket for that..
04:19<Cromulent>if you use lets encrypt installing SSL certs is a piece of cake
04:19<Cromulent>and free
04:19<millisa>Unless you can give some form of information about what you actually tried, what the results were (errors, log entries, config test); there isn't going to be anything that someone here will be able to tell you.
04:20<millisa>The linode professional services group will do most anything for a price if you want to pay them to do it
04:20<millisa>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
04:22<rockwet>Then can u pl let me how much it might cost for that
04:22<rockwet>for installing purpose
04:22<Cromulent>you'll have to get a quote
04:22<Cromulent>read the page it tells you how
04:23<rockwet>ok , fine ,thx
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06:07<gil>hi guys
06:07<gil>i tried copying this
06:07<gil>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-debian-ubuntu
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06:07<gil>however it is not allowing me to access the https: site
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06:16<gil>anyone familiar with setting up the ssl?
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06:48<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to set WordPress to send email? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14957&p=73943#p73943>
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07:41<zworks>dear linoders, how many domains i can have if i purchase the 1 GB plan ?
07:41<Peng>A lot. There is no specific limit.
07:42<JamesTK>as many as you want. Linode doesn't register domains
07:42*JamesTK has like 10
07:42<JamesTK>:D
07:42<Peng>I need more domains, or fewer domains.
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07:57<Zimsky>you can have any number of domains with a 1GB linode
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07:57<Zimsky>they didn't specify whether these were domains resolving to hosted sites on that specific linode
07:58<Zimsky>maybe it's one site and 10 million domains
07:58<Zimsky>whatever, just accept any server name
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08:41<Goo>Hi, I am trying to set up allow/deny rules in my Nginx configuration. I know my IP and can test it via third parties. However, my Linode does not report my correct IP and when I reboot, it reports a different one. I created a test PHP file to tell me my IP and I can not get back the correct IP from my Linode. How can I fix this?
08:42<grawity>what *does* it report? something that starts with 2001:0:... perhaps?
08:42<Goo>No. A standard IP, but not the correct one.
08:43<grawity>assuming you mean ipv4 by that
08:43<grawity>again, what address *does* it report? does it belong to the same ISP as your 'correct' address?
08:43<Goo>My IP is 73.x.x.x, Linode is reporting 162.x.x.x
08:43*dwfreed points out that IP addresses aren't private, especially considering you connected to this IRC network from your local address
08:44<Woet>^
08:44<dwfreed>your IP address is 73.33.166.246
08:44<Woet>Goo: your IP is 73.33.166.246
08:44*Woet starts the hacking machines
08:44<Woet>Goo: do you use a reverse proxy?
08:45<Woet>Goo: or a caching / load balancing layer?
08:45<Peng>Like Cloudflare?
08:45<Woet>Goo: is the 162.* IP familiar at all?
08:45<Peng>Cloudflare has IPs in 162/8.
08:45<Peng>Many folks do. :P
08:45<Woet>16 million to be exact
08:45<Woet>close to 17
08:46<dwfreed>16,777,216
08:46<dwfreed>I may or may not have that memorized
08:46<Woet>dwfreed: 16,777,214 if you want to count usable only
08:46<Woet>at least be accurate
08:46<Woet>gosh
08:46<Peng>!dns6 www.sprint.net
08:46<linbot>Peng: 2600::, 208.24.22.50
08:46<Peng>IPv6 is the best
08:47<dwfreed>/31 is a usable subnet mask
08:47<Woet>!dns6 woet.me
08:47<linbot>Woet: 2607:5300:60:355d:108:feed:beef:face, 167.114.73.4
08:47<Woet>nom nom
08:47<dwfreed>and there can be a lot less usable, depending on how people have their subnets
08:48<Woet>there can be
08:48<Woet>but we'll never know
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08:55<gil>hi
08:55<Peng>Hello
08:55<gil>anyone familiar with setting up ssl on linode Ubuntu?
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08:56<gil>right now, http is working but when I enable https, it is not able to connect anymore
08:56<gil>i followed this https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-debian-ubuntu
08:56<ponas>have you checked your apache logs?
08:58<gil>will check now
09:00<Woet>"is it not able" is not very helpful
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09:01<Woet>what is the error message?
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09:02<gil>the error log says .crt and .key do not match
09:03<Woet>there you go
09:03<Woet>now you know
09:03<gil>thanks
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09:05<gil>does that mean i need to generate the keys again to create the CSR and re issue the certificate?
09:05<Woet>if you somehow managed to lose the key that was used for that cert, yes
09:06<Peng>gil: The important question ish ow you got in this situation.
09:06<Peng>gil: Starting over, creating a new key, and issuing a new certificate is one way out.
09:06<gil>ok thanks
09:06<Peng>gil: Exactly how is Apache configured? What's in the certificate file?
09:07<Peng>gil: Why isn't it the expected certificate that matches the key?
09:07<gil>i will just start over again, i can't trace anymore
09:15<dzho>where have I seen this before.
09:19<gil>if what i am doing now works, is there a way for me to update the documentation?
09:19<gil>maybe i can add some notes so newbies will not be confused
09:20<gil>it will be easier for other newbies to follow
09:22<Woet>i dont think you should be managing a Linux server on the internet if that tutorial is confusing to follow
09:22<Woet>but thats just my opinion
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09:55<gil>thanks guys for the reply
09:55<gil>i am able to make it work now
09:55<gil>i really appreciate your response
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10:24<Akshay>helllo
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10:26<Akshay>i installed a php script and now the wesite is not loading it says not able to connect
10:28<ponas>sounds like the script expects to connect somewhere and you haven't configured it
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11:30<linodeowner>hi guys
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12:20<yuyi>hello
12:20<yuyi> Hello, I mistakenly deleted franklee7623@gmail.com This account, account there are 5 dollars, I hope to return to me
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12:21<Peng>!contact
12:21<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
12:23<yuyi> Can not solve the problem here?
12:23<Peng>Not really. :X This is a public community channel. You need to email them to discuss something sensitive like that.
12:24<yuyi> Discount code forget to enter the can also make up again, if the ticket
12:26<Woet>to a just put expect in can't random words sense. order it and You make
12:28<yuyi>When is your working time?
12:29<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • nginx fastcgi_cache much much slower when "caching" WordPress, rather than a test php file <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14655&p=73916#p73916>
12:30<Woet>I'm a freelancer, I work whenever I want.
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12:38<Eugene>dwfreed - how? I've never seen a /31 deployed in the wild; my understanding of IPv4 subnetting is that you wouldn't get anything useful over such a link without resorting to broadcast-address hax?
12:39<Eugene>The conventional wisdom / what I have always seen is to use a /30 for P2P links, or "one IP from a /24" with appropriate port-filtering rules.
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13:05<akm980>Hello, I have just registered on linode with a preload amount of 5$ and the account is yet to be verified. Can I cancel my account now?
13:08<Woet>no
13:09<akm980>So, will I have to verify the account first??
13:12<Woet>sure, but I'm pretty sure you can't withdraw the $5
13:12<Peng>You can cancel and get a refund..
13:13<Woet>is it not mentioned in the message then?
13:13<akm980>sorry, which message?
13:14<Woet>the message asking you to verify
13:14<akm980>no, all it says is to upload my govt ID and credit card image to verify.
13:15<Woet>why dont you just do that?
13:15<akm980>I have changed my mind. I don't need the account anymore.
13:16<Woet>sounds a bit suspicious
13:16<Peng>:/
13:16<Woet>thats what a fraudster would say!
13:16<akm980>No, there's nothing suspicious. I was just trying out hosting there.
13:16<Peng>A pro fraudster would already have a fake ID :P
13:17<Woet>so upload your stuff and try it!
13:17<akm980>Plus I wanted a hosting service that would accept debit card or online banking
13:18<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:26<Woet>Eugene: you need to teach that to akm980
13:26*DanielNM nods
13:27<Eugene>Sorry, I don't converse with the numerically-encumbered
13:27<akm980>haha. don't be so harsh. I am new to these things and trying it all out.
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13:49<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • no longer able to use SSH key-pair login <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14960&p=73944#p73944>
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13:54<waltman>I think I must be misreading https://www.linode.com/kernels. Why is the latest kernel 4.9.15-x86_64-linode81 and not 4.9.33-x86_64-linode83 ?
13:54<Peng>waltman: Testing, probably.
13:54<waltman>ah
13:55<grawity>https://i.imgur.com/I3POh0r.png
13:55<grawity>oh, "latest 64 bit"?
13:55<Eugene>Can I get my kernels pre-popped and buttered
13:55<grawity>yeah I guess testing
13:55<@mcintosh>yes, testing
13:56<waltman>That page is a little confusing :)
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14:19<atula>Hi all. I'm deciding between using Gitlab.com or installing gitlab on a $5/month node. Anyone ever got into this personal conundrum?
14:19<atula>I'd need 2x$5 nodes: 1 for git hosting and 1 to deal with builds/runners
14:20<atula>or I could just use gitlab.com and just do one $5 node to be runners
14:20<atula>problem is security
14:20<Eugene>I prefer to just give github their money and be done with it nowadays
14:20<Woet>or you could use github.com
14:20<atula>I know. I was using bitbucket
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14:20<atula>I have some personal projects--not money making
14:20<atula>so it feels wasteful
14:21<atula>but if I was going to pay, I'd rather pay $5/month for a node and I could use it as much as I want
14:21<Eugene>I don't like self-hosted GUIs(eg Gitlab) for git; I do like 'gitolite' which can run on literally any computer with enough RAM
14:21<atula>yeah I know what you mean Eugene
14:21<Eugene>Its got a much smaller surface area(no web interface! Uses SSH keys!) and has actually been security-reviewed
14:22<atula>self-hosted means you have to deal with defense all on your own where as gitlab.com/bitbucket.com or github.com, at least they defend their stuff without my attention
14:22<Eugene>That's the nice thing about gitolite, or even just a ~/git/ dir: you're only running SSH
14:23<atula>hmm... no GUI :(
14:23<atula>GUI is kind of nice some time
14:23<atula>but I guess it's not necessary
14:23<Eugene>Push to github ;-)
14:23<atula>meh... is GitHub any more secured than gitlab?
14:23<dzho>people who want to run a GUI can do it client-side
14:23<atula>it's still public cloud storage
14:23<Eugene>Github has been doing it a lot longer and I trust them more
14:24<Eugene>I still don't trust them at $DAYJOB, but that is because I know that you get what you pay for, and my boss likes having somebody be accountable when things are down.
14:24<Eugene>(Usually, our datacenter provider)
14:24<atula>yeah
14:24<atula>I would rather not deal with setting up VPN, a cluster of smaller nodes and redundancy
14:25<Eugene>Yeah, no effin way
14:25<Eugene>Just the amount of time required makes github worth a paid account
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14:26<atula>if that's the case, I'm still good with bitbucket
14:26<atula>under five collaborators is free
14:26<atula>heh
14:26<Eugene>Everybody wins
14:26<atula>but, gitlab has that pipeline stuff
14:26<atula>makes it pretty nice
14:26<atula>ci/cd stuff is built in
14:26<atula>and pretty much free
14:26<atula>unlimited free
14:27<Eugene>My 2c: gitlab is not (yet) a mature ENTERPRISE service provider. They are working on it, but it really just takes time to build an Ops department who doesn't delete production databases https://about.gitlab.com/2017/02/01/gitlab-dot-com-database-incident/
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14:27<Eugene>Everybody has failures; IMO gitlab is still on the wrong side of the graph
14:27<Peng>Eugene: That's an awfully high stanard
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14:29<atula>Eugene, yeah--that's pretty rough to ding them in that way
14:29<Eugene>I'm sure they won't make that particular mistake again, but there are a lot of mistakes yet to be found
14:30<atula>everyone pull down a db server and loose some money at some point if you're a serious tech guy haha
14:30<atula>it's still git, so if they die, you still have your repos locally
14:30<Eugene>Yup, its a series of lessons that need to be learned as an institution, not just as one guy
14:30<atula>yeah
14:30<atula>So bitbucket it is
14:31<atula>alright, next question, I know linode doesn't have what AWS brands VPC
14:31<atula>could I set something up like that?
14:31<atula>basically isolation from all other shared nodes
14:32<atula>obviously, TLS on all communications between my servers/nodes, but is there something else I need to do to isolate my nodes from everyone else's in the same datacenter?
14:32<atula>Just curious because I honestly don't feel like paying for AWS stuff
14:32<atula>I've been with Linode since the very beginning and don't feel like moving my stuff
14:32<grawity>packet filtering (iptables/nftables), perhaps IPsec (strongswan/libreswan) or another kind of VPN
14:34<atula>grawity, yeah I'm doing iptables/shorewall
14:34<atula>VPN seems non-trivial to set up
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14:38<Eugene>"Overlay network" is what you want. I have used OpenVPN in the past, but you get single-point-of-failure there
14:38<Eugene>The real solution is to not use private networking.... TLS or SSH-tunnel all your apps and move on with life
14:39<Eugene>I don't really like VPC either; why would you trust somebody else's network? I don't even trust the switch on my desk, in the security "trust" sense
14:40<atula>Eugene, don't you save some money if you use private IP communication?
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14:41<Eugene>IPv6 over the local-link is unmetered
14:41<Eugene>You should be using IPv6
14:41<atula>If were to do micro services, it would be pretty rough to pay for all that if they communicate exclusively on public IP
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14:44<Eugene>My 2c: VPC, Private Network, and other abuses of "reserved" IPv4 space are a band-aid. The original idea behind the internet is that everything is one network, and it turns out that makes a lot of things easier in the long run. IPv6 eliminates address space scarcity, so you really can put as much as you want to on the public internet. It makes you think about security at the application layer(where it should be anyway; what happens when your VPN keys get
14:44<Eugene>leaked?) instead of the ethernet layer
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14:49<dwfreed>Eugene: tag the link as non-broadcast
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15:05<atula>Eug
15:05<atula>Eugene, I suppose firewall and tls is pretty much main/only options at this point
15:05<atula>IPv6 as well
15:05<atula>but I'm not as familiar with it
15:06<Eugene>dwfreed - TIL
15:06<atula>what is this tagging of the link as non-broadcast?
15:07<atula>could someone elaborate?
15:07<atula>I don't want to miss something important here
15:07<Eugene>Unrelated to this
15:07<dwfreed>Eugene: it's particularly common for links that are inherently point to point, eg tunnels
15:07<Eugene>I have only ever seen that delivered as a /30
15:08<atula>I see.
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15:45<Saifuddin>Hi, all vps are managed?
15:45<dwfreed>no
15:45<Saifuddin>or I can select unmanage option also?
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15:45<dwfreed>unmanaged is default; managed is extra
15:46<Saifuddin>for 4 GB RAM 2 Core processor its $20
15:46<dwfreed>!pricing
15:46<linbot>https://www.linode.com/pricing
15:46<Saifuddin>for manage server how much more?
15:46<dwfreed>that + $100/Linode/month
15:46<nate>Saifuddin: As the pricing page shows, $100 per-linode you want managed
15:46<dwfreed>!managed
15:46<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
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15:47<Saifuddin>in second link no values in $$
15:48<Saifuddin>I mean manage price are not given
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15:52<millisa>the price is on the managed page. it's the only $ sign on the page even.
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15:53<dcraig>I look at millisa and all i see is dollar signs
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16:28<millisa>hadn't noticed; hosts have a new naming convention
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16:29<millisa>no more 'dallas1234'. now it's 'h1234-rin1'
16:34<retro|blah>Is this for a new linode that was just spun up? My dashboard still says dallas#### for mine.
16:35<millisa>one spun up a few moments ago, one spun up a week ago. both happen to have the new e5-2697 chips
16:35<retro|blah>Ah, got it
16:35<millisa>a few i spun up 3 or so week ago in newark for storage tests still had the 'newark1234' names
16:37<DanielNM>Just looked at mine; still on a region1234 host
16:43<dwfreed>renaming a host is asking for trouble
16:43<dwfreed>so the new hostname pattern only applies to hosts that have been deployed after it has been put into effect
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17:00<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • no longer able to use SSH key-pair login <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14960&p=73945#p73945>
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17:52<joeaveragegamer>Anyone know if Linode provides additional network-attached storage options?
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17:52<Peng>It's in beta. :D https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14906
17:52<joeaveragegamer>I want linode proximity for additional storage. My 4GB node doesn't provide enough direct storage for my upcoming need.
17:52<joeaveragegamer>Thoughts from anyone?
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23:31<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • CAA type DNS records <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12510&p=73947#p73947> || General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=73946#p73946>
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23:41<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=73939#p73939> || Linux Networking • Forward traffic through a firewall <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14631&p=73908#p73908> || Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • I want to increase my hard drive(Storage) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14945&p=73900#p73900> ||
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