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00:42<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Why We Have To Comprehensive Human Verification <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14966&p=73991#p73991>
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00:52<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Playerunknowns Battlegrounds(PUBG) Hacks And Cheats For Steam/XBox <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14967&p=73992#p73992>
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01:22<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • New Gamers, The Hyperlinks Below Can Answer Your Standard Queries. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14968&p=73994#p73994> || General Discussion • Why We Have To Comprehensive Human Verification <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14966&p=73993#p73993>
01:25<dcraig>I tried to do a human verification on Ikaros once
01:29<MrPPS>we can't report spam on the forums, can we?
01:29<MrPPS>Oh no, spotted the icon :)
01:30<Zimsky>weird name for an icon
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01:52<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] CentOS 7 - easy setup guide <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14952&p=73921#p73921> || Web Servers and Web App Development • /dev/root size keeps going up <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14816&p=73920#p73920> || Sales Questions and Answers • I want to increase my hard drive(Storage) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14946&p=73919#p73919>
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03:01<Sanjay>I need more storage ?
03:01<Sanjay>Is there a possible way to do it without moving to higher costly linode ?
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03:03<arlen>Sanjay: not at the moment but there's a block storage beta
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03:03<arlen>link in the topic for it
03:03<Sanjay>Block storage can expand my storage right ?
03:05<arlen>yeah
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03:13<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Final Conclusion About The Sport. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14969&p=73995#p73995>
03:13<Sanjay>Does anyone have any idea linode will release this from beta version ? The block storage feature ?
03:16<arlen>no idea, it just entered beta
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03:17<andrew>hey guys
03:17<arlen>hey
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03:19<andrew>I have 1 question. is there any possible way to recover deleted folder in ubutu? I have unintentionally deleted my public_html folder in one of my domains.
03:19<arlen>restore from a backup
03:19<andrew>using rm -rf
03:20<Peng>The reliable option is to restore from a backup.
03:20<Peng>Less reliably... Stop writing to the disk immediately, and try some undelete software. The files probably mostly haven't been scribbled on.
03:21<andrew>Thanks, I'll try
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03:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Tag: Injustice two Hack No Survey <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14970&p=73996#p73996>
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04:09<YAHMIS>HI
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04:10<YAHMIS>HI
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04:52<Girish>hi
04:52<Girish>anyone there ?
04:53<Woet>nope
04:53<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP 5.6 CentOS 7 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14809&p=73998#p73998> || General Discussion • Injustice two Hack Lets You Farm Equipment On Autopilot <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14971&p=73997#p73997>
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04:54<Girish>should i install plesk panel on linode ? anyone help me
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04:57<Woet>do you want to use plesk panel?
04:57<Woet>if so, yes. if not, no.
04:58<Girish>by ssh i can do anything right?
04:59<Woet>anything that doesn't break the terms of service, sure
05:01<Girish>terms of service ?
05:07<arlen>https://linode.com/tos
05:13<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Learn More About The Sport By Studying Our Injustice 2 Manual. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14972&p=73999#p73999>
05:23<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Injustice two Mod Gems Credit Ios Android <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14973&p=74000#p74000>
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06:13<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I can not SSH in to my server <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14974&p=74001#p74001>
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06:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Injustice two Hack 2017 V4.twenty five Android Cheats APK, IOS Cheats (All Variations) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14975&p=74002#p74002>
06:53<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Free Xbox Live Code Generator Free of charge Xbox Live Gold Codes 2017 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14976&p=74003#p74003>
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07:04<Peng>root__: Be careful with passwords.
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07:14<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Injustice 2 Super Players Characteristics : <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14978&p=74005#p74005> || General Discussion • Andy Rubins Playground Ventures Is Increasing Another M <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14977&p=74004#p74004>
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07:44<ted>identify
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07:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Dinosaurs And Also Expertise's Cult <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14979&p=74006#p74006>
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08:34<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How set serial console to freepbx <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14965&p=74007#p74007>
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08:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Hi I am Eric <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14980&p=74008#p74008>
08:54<Zimsky>sup eric
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09:07<MrPPS>Wow, did not expect that :/ Reported two spam posts, and my account got deleted/removed from linode forums :'(
09:08<MrPPS>I'd appreciate knowing what I did wrong here - username was "shippinpie" if any admins are around to take a look
09:08<dzho>d'oh
09:09<dzho>!ops
09:09<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
09:09<dzho>caker: ^^^ I guess
09:09<MrPPS>dzho: Just didn't want to ping them and make them more mad
09:09<MrPPS>Haha
09:10<MrPPS>Was just about to go report some more spam too :P
09:10<dzho>haha
09:10<dzho>they can be mad at me now, I guess?
09:11<MrPPS>Sorry :<
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09:29<lenu>hi
09:30<lenu>i want to know if Linode also offers ssd block storage pricing
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09:32<lenu>hi
09:32<MrPPS>lenu: block storage is currently in beta
09:40<lenu>ok
09:41<lenu>what kind of support do you provide for new comers?
09:41<lenu>if i sign up for your product do i get any setup support at least initial server preparation and configuration
09:43<MrPPS>lenu: it's a completely unmanaged service
09:43<MrPPS>Unless you pay specifically for a managed linode service - but this is extra as it's not what most require
09:44<lenu>ok
09:44<MrPPS>lenu: there are of course many guides available
09:44<MrPPS>But these are non-interactive
09:44<MrPPS>(ie you read and follow, and figure out any issues yourself, or through community support like the irc channel here)
09:44<lenu>are there some pre-install apps on your vps to make managing it easy and straight forward?
09:45<dzho>stackscripts
09:45<MrPPS>Stack scripts are the closest you'll come to pre-installed - these are scripts that can be run initially to set stuff up
09:45<MrPPS>But the OS images themselves aren't preconfigured with anything but the essentials
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09:47<MrPPS>Sleep time now I think :)
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10:40<lenu>Q MRPPS you mean the OS are preinstalled and the stack scripts are availbable and can be implemented via clicking?
10:41<lenu>@MRPPS
10:41<relidy>lenu: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/stackscripts
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11:30<reezalaq>Hello, I'm looking to buy a vps but I am able to pay only via Paypal
11:30<reezalaq>How do I make payment ?
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11:31<dwfreed>reezalaq: the initial deposit must be made with a credit card of some type; go to the store and buy a prepaid credit card and put like $5 on it
11:34<reezalaq>which store ?
11:34<Woet>lol
11:34<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:34<Woet>please provide dwfreed with your address and he will locate the nearest store
11:35<reezalaq>Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
11:35<reezalaq>oh! you meant physical store ?
11:38<dwfreed>looks like you can get a prepaid card from Maybank
11:43<reezalaq>cool! thanks
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12:00<MajObviousman>every day dwfreed moves closer to being a bot
12:00<dwfreed>I have 32 triggers
12:00<dwfreed>some of them are basically letting other people make me do something
12:01<mikegrb>sudo make me a sandwich
12:01<dwfreed>User is not authorized to run sudo on this system. This incident will be reported.
12:02<MajObviousman>please make me a sandwich
12:02<MajObviousman>please: command not found
12:06*csnxs pleases MajObviousman
12:07*MajObviousman feels very uncomfortable all of a sudden
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12:46<Celti>Just had a recruiter send me an offer for a Pearl Developer position.
12:46<Celti>Think I'm going to have to turn that down, I don't really want to be an oyster.
12:48<dwfreed>are you giving sand to oysters?
12:48<dwfreed>I made that comment before I read the second line
12:48<dwfreed>reading is hard
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13:43<Hello_Space>Hello
13:43<Hello_Space>Should I back up a 3 GB database via SSH?
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13:45<Hello_Space>Or is it recommended to backup large databases using a script?
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13:46<MajObviousman>if you dump to a ssh channel, you're not writing to the drives, just to a socket. And you can use compression
13:48<Hello_Space>So use an SSH command to back up the large database to a location on my server?
13:48<MajObviousman>oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were downloading it across the ssh channel
13:49<MajObviousman>write a script, set it to run nightly. When you need to create a custom backup, ssh in and run the script
13:49<Hello_Space>I normally use MySQLDumper
13:49<Hello_Space>But SSH would be a lot easier
13:49<Hello_Space>Hence why I'd rather do it using the SSH dump command but idk if it'll work or hang
13:49<MajObviousman>I think we're having a disagreement in terminology here
13:50<MajObviousman>let's settle that first
13:50<MajObviousman>describe what you mean by "via SSH"
13:50<synfinatic>yeah, ssh is so you can login to a remote box. basically a secure version of telnet. scp (part of ssh) allows you to copy files between boxes
13:50<Hello_Space>Using Putty to execute this command: mysqldump -u root -p -h localhost customer > customerBackup.sql
13:51<MajObviousman>ok. And what do you mean by "using a script"?
13:51<Hello_Space>Using MySQLDumper to make a backup of the database without using Putty
13:52<synfinatic>I would just run that mysqldump command via cron on your linode
13:52<Hello_Space>What do you mean via cron? Newbie here
13:53<synfinatic>cron allows you to schedule commands to run at certain times
13:53<MajObviousman>it's a service to run commands at a specified time
13:53<synfinatic>google "how to use cron" :)
13:53<Hello_Space>Oh. A paid service by linode?
13:53<synfinatic>nope. free. part of linux
13:53<MajObviousman>nope, it's free and comes with almost all Linuxes
13:53<MajObviousman>in various forms
13:54<MajObviousman>these days, systemd has taken over that role
13:54<grawity>to some extent
13:54<Hello_Space>But what if I just want a single backup right now?
13:54<grawity>for random tasks, cron is still much easier to configure
13:54<Hello_Space>Because I want to upgrade MySQL
13:54<grawity>then just do a mysqldump via SSH
13:55<Hello_Space>So it will work for large databases and it wouldn't hang like phpMyAdmin, right?
13:55<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • User unknown in virtual alias table <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14680&p=73923#p73923>
13:55<grawity>it shouldn't
13:55<MajObviousman>correct, it should not
13:55<grawity>do you want to backup to the server itself, or to your local computer?
13:56<Hello_Space>Alright, thanks. Do I see progress or how would I know it's done?
13:56<Hello_Space>To the server and then I can download via FTP
13:56<MajObviousman>if you want to see progress, then you could pipe the dump through pv or something similar
13:56<grawity>normally that's not shown
13:56<Hello_Space>So I'll have to look in the folder for when it's done or can I exit Putty after running the command?
13:56<grawity>you can install pv and do `mysqldump ..... | gzip | pv > whatever.sql.gz` (compress it as well)
13:57<grawity>actually, even | dd status=progress > whatever.sql.gz
13:57*MajObviousman tends to run two invocations of pv to see the before and after compression speeds
13:57<Hello_Space>I'm fine with no progress if it only shows in the path once done
13:57<Hello_Space>Does it?
13:57<grawity>no
13:57<grawity>the file shows up as soon as the program starts writing to it
13:58<MajObviousman>how about this
13:58<Hello_Space>So how exactly will I know when it's done? ;~;
13:58<MajObviousman><your big mysql command> && touch isdone
13:58<MajObviousman>look for the presence of the file isdone
13:58<grawity>it's done when the mysqldump command exits, of course
13:58<MajObviousman>when that file exists, the dump is complete
13:58<Hello_Space>Ah, so when it goes back to the normal little bar, it's done?
13:58<Hello_Space>Thats perfect
13:58<grawity>when it goes to the regular shell prompt, it's done
13:59<Hello_Space>Yeah, I don't use technical terms :P
13:59<grawity>I don't use terribly vague terms
13:59<Hello_Space>Thanks
13:59<Hello_Space>I'm still new to all of this :D
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13:59<MajObviousman>welcome then
13:59<grawity>given that the prompt's appearance varies a great lot
13:59<MajObviousman>schtay a while and listen
14:00<grawity>(can be a plain "#" or "$", can be "[Hello_Space@db01.int.example.com:/var/www]#", but tbh I haven't really seen it look like a *bar*...)
14:00<MajObviousman>Hello_Space: for what it's worth, you're asking all the right questions
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14:01<MajObviousman>which is a nice break from HOW I RESTART MY KERNEL or "it's broken please help"
14:02<grawity>"hello is anyone here" <quits in 5 seconds>
14:03<Hello_Space>@grawity it appears after what you mentioned ;)
14:04<grawity>ah, that one
14:04<grawity>well it's a bar sometimes, but OTOH it's usually visible even while mysqldump (or whatever command) is still running
14:05<grawity>whereas the shell prompt only shows up when that command has finished
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16:14<Eugene>Don't forget to bring a Linoe
16:14<Eugene>Wow, could not have fucked that up better if I had tried
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16:15<Eugene>/shame hat
16:15<millisa>Paddlin' the old Linoe
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16:18<synfinatic>oooh. that reminds me to pack a towel tomorrow
16:19<MajObviousman>synfinatic: you don't have a towel with you currently?
16:19<MajObviousman>!pastebin
16:19<synfinatic>nope :(
16:19<linbot>Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here: https://bpaste.net
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16:56<Woet>Eugene: every day you're linoein'?
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17:25<Eugene>One-day only special
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17:51<zdental>hey there
17:51<arlen>hey
17:52<zdental>I was wondering , does Linode include cPanel ?
17:52<arlen>only if you pay for managed
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17:52<arlen>!cpanel
17:52<dwfreed>!cpanel
17:52<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
17:52<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
17:53<dwfreed>heh
17:53<arlen>:)
17:53<zdental>gr8
17:53<zdental>thx
17:54<arlen>welcome
17:54<zdental>any idea which Linode Server would increases the website speeds ?
17:54<zdental>im coming from a Bluehost Shared plus plan , with CDN , + w3 cache
17:54<millisa>then all of them.
17:55<zdental>@millis how come ?
17:55<millisa>(it's easy to resize a linode, too)
17:56<zdental>btw im using wordpress? on most cases only few are pure code
17:56<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP 5.6 CentOS 7 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14809&p=74012#p74012>
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18:37<Eugene>zifnab - did Hangouts just break
18:40<zifnab>Eugene: it did
18:40<zifnab>Eugene: i saw your text, but i can't reply because i use hangouts for sms through google voice...
18:40<Eugene>zifnab - yeah, me too -_-
18:40<Eugene>At least IRC still works
18:41<zdental>clear
18:46<FluffyFoxeh>so hard drives running at 47°C
18:46<FluffyFoxeh>yes or no
18:47<zifnab>its fine
18:48<zifnab>hard drives are fairly temperature independant
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18:52<FluffyFoxeh>I'll put another fan in there anyway but good to know it's not a show-stopper until I do
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18:56<zifnab>yeah
18:56<zifnab>FluffyFoxeh: max operating temperature of most components is around 60*C
18:56<zifnab>CPUs tend to be a bit higher
18:57<FluffyFoxeh>I read some reports on data from Google and Backblaze and others but it was inconclusive
18:57<zifnab>depending on when they were released*
18:57<zifnab>http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/193771en
18:57<dwfreed>my laptop CPU package temperature has been just short of boiling before
18:57<FluffyFoxeh>mine too
18:58<FluffyFoxeh>I can't figure out what the issue is. My laptop has two fans, one for GPU and CPU on either side. the GPU fan has good airflow, CPU one doesn't seem to
18:58<FluffyFoxeh>there are no obvious obstructions
18:58<FluffyFoxeh>(I opened it)
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18:59<Eugene>Use a bigger air compressor
19:00<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: mine just gets hot because it's in use
19:00<FluffyFoxeh>shouldn't need one if I have it open and can see all the innards and pick dust out with tweezers if I wanted to :p
19:00<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: well, yeah, but in my case I feel like the cooling could be more efficient
19:02<FluffyFoxeh>back to hard drives, this is from a Google study in 2007 there's a super weird spike in correlation with 3 year old drives http://storagemojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/afr_temp.png
19:03<FluffyFoxeh>eh maybe proportionally it's not that big actually
19:03<FluffyFoxeh>just lots of 3-year-old-drive failures
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20:06<Zimsky>Every second day I'm Eugene
20:08<MrPPS>I knew it
20:09<Zimsky>you know nothing, mrp
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20:15<MrPPS>devastated
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20:26<glickity>hi
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20:26<glickity>question...if you've deactivated password ssh auth and disabled root ssh login, is fail2ban necessary?
20:26<MrPPS>sup glickity
20:26<glickity>or recommended?
20:27<MrPPS>Not unless you want to stop logs filling up a little quicker
20:27<MrPPS>Other than that, not really
20:27<glickity>cool, thanks
20:27<MrPPS>No wories!
20:27<MrPPS>worries*
20:27<glickity>do most people in here work for linode?
20:28<MrPPS>!ops
20:28<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
20:28<MrPPS>^ :)
20:28<glickity> cool
20:29<glickity>the linode guides are awesome
20:29<glickity>very clear and concise
20:29<MrPPS>:D
20:30<Zimsky>glickity: set a non-standard ssh port?
20:31<Eliz>meh, fail2ban is cheap enough, I'd just keep it around :p
20:31<glickity>Zimsky: that would stop maybe the level zero script kiddies, but a simple port scan would show what port its running on no?
20:32<Eliz>if you're using keys, nobody is going to get in honestly, unless you're dumb with your private key
20:32<Zimsky>Eliz: except when there's some 0day
20:32<Zimsky>in openssh or openssl
20:32<Eliz>Zimsky: the worst I can think of, honestly, is the debian key "bug".
20:32<glickity>and the NSA's quantum key breakers of course
20:33<Zimsky>Eliz: I'm talking about the future potential exploits
20:33<Zimsky>not past
20:33<Eliz>Zimsky: note that I still recommended fail2ban ;)
20:33<Zimsky>glickity: most large-scale port scans don't run the whole 1-65535
20:33<Eliz>glickity: and, if you're the target of the NSA, you're probably already sol.
20:34<glickity>i dont know, i called the president a SOB once on the phone, and in an email
20:34<Zimsky>NSA doesn't give a shit about that
20:35<Eliz>pretty sure at this point they'd agree with you *shrug*
20:35<glickity>i always get the inner thigh massage by the tsa when i fly
20:35<Zimsky>glickity: you would actually find by setting it to some ephemeral port (>1023), the number of attempts drops significantly
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20:35<Eliz>for the ultimate paranoia, could go pure-lish access? lol
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20:36<glickity>for ultimate paranoia i fly to japan and stand infront of the terminal for my vps
20:36<glickity>lol
20:36<Zimsky>Eliz: lish would arguably be less secure
20:36<Zimsky>even with key auth
20:37<Eliz>Zimsky: *shrug* I have a decent amount of faith that someone didn't do something stupid with lish
20:37<Zimsky>faith isn't security
20:37<Eliz>heck, it's even smart enough to lock you out if your subaccount is deleted.
20:37<Eliz>(even gives you a nice easter egg lol)
20:37<Zimsky>doesn't prove it true
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20:38<glickity>i used to be half decent at linux/unix back in the day, now its all new to me again
20:38<Eliz>Zimsky: I have just as much faith as I have in my precompiled openssh binaries ;)
20:38<glickity>gnu/linux/unix
20:38<glickity>i meant to say
20:38<glickity>sorry RMS
20:38<Eliz>and I don't think there's reproducible compiles for most distros, anyway
20:38<Zimsky>Eliz: then your ability to determine differences in risk is questionable
20:39<Eliz>Zimsky: the risk that lish is compromised? just seemingly really unlikely :p
20:39<Zimsky>so many emoticons
20:39<Eliz>more emoticons == less shits given, really, and that I'm enjoying the pointless argument :p
20:39<Eliz>just ask dwfreed ;)
20:40<Zimsky>if you gave less shits, we wouldn't be talking
20:40*Eliz hands Zimsky a shit.
20:40<MrPPS>Emoticons also = less confusion with the way text is portrayed; I find without the use of emoticons, people tend to get upset/angry a lot easier
20:40<MrPPS>as a general rule of thumb
20:40<Zimsky>unless you keep the discussion about the subject matter
20:40<glickity>they need a middle finger emoticon
20:40<Zimsky>instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks
20:41<MrPPS>Even then, people get emotional + offended
20:41<glickity>that would solve so many problems
20:41<Eliz>I'm hardly attacking, lol.
20:41<arlen>lul
20:42<Zimsky>Eliz: are you nate
20:42<Zimsky>you sound like nate
20:42<Eliz>Zimsky: nope.
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20:43<glickity>hmm, no netstat on my linode, and apt install netstat shows nothing
20:44<Zimsky>ss
20:44<glickity>netstat command not found
20:44<glickity>hmm
20:44<Zimsky>use ss
20:44<arlen>^
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20:49<nate>Eliz: Please be like me, maybe they'll stop obsessing on me and switch to someone else finally :P
20:50<Eliz>nate: no thanks :p
20:51<nate>darn
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20:53<Zimsky>nate: lol
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20:57<glickity>keeping time on your servers? ntp? openntp?
20:58<Eliz>glickity: depends, believe in systemd? lol
20:59<Eliz>(and if your distro even compiles that in I guess lol)
20:59<glickity>do vps' use the RTC of the underlying hardware to sync time?
20:59<Eliz>xen passes the time off of the dom0, as does kvm, yes
20:59<glickity>kick-ass
20:59<glickity>thanks
21:00<Eliz>still worth setting up some sort of ntp daemon though
21:00<glickity>why?
21:00<MrPPS>don't have to trust the host is right then
21:00<Eliz>host coudld've been temporarily off, at some point, yeah
21:00<glickity>mm
21:00<glickity>hmm
21:01<Eliz>although, I guess if the host corrects itself you should be fine, but it's worth being sure :p
21:01<MrPPS>Always good practicing best practice anyway
21:01<MrPPS>good habits to build
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21:17<glickity>wonder if i should bother setting up a firewall
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21:17<glickity>i have just webserver running
21:17<glickity>and port 22 is disabled basically for password login
21:18<glickity>and mysql is only listening on the loopback device
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21:28*glickity slaps jfred around a bit with a large fishbot
21:29<glickity>oops
21:29<glickity>sory
21:29<glickity>didnt mean to do that
21:29<glickity>right clicked the name by accident
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21:32<jfred[m]>lol that webclient
21:36<glickity>i guess if i dont run fail2ban my logs will fill up eh?
21:37<MrPPS>not fill up, but they'll be noisier
21:37<glickity>people gonna try to hit ssh
21:37<glickity>damnit
21:37<glickity>people are asshats
21:38<FluffyFoxeh>best defense is keyed logins, or at least a good password :)
21:38<glickity>with so few services running is a firewall necessary?
21:38<glickity>i mean, i got nginx
21:38<glickity>and ssh basically
21:39<glickity>and ssh disallows password logins and root logins
21:39<FluffyFoxeh>as I understand it, a firewall is good for only allowing connections that you explicitly specify are allowed
21:39<MrPPS>Firewall really is only gonna help with preventing egress
21:39<MrPPS>or extra ingress if they try running additional services
21:39<MrPPS>in the event of a compromise, that is
21:39<glickity>and running ossec probably a bit overkill for a wp install?
21:40<MrPPS>oh, wordpress
21:40<MrPPS>Well, don't run any plugins/extensions :P
21:40<glickity>im sure ill run a few
21:40<MrPPS>It's not uncommon for a compromised wordpress to end up running outgoing connections for other stuff, so given it's wordpress it might be worth at least having an outgoing filter set up
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21:40<MrPPS>so it can't phone home etc.
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21:41<MrPPS>but depends how much you care, or if you're more likely to just see it's compromised + rebuild from backups
21:41<glickity>hmm
21:45<glickity>so basicaly just allow in and out connections on ssh and httpd?
21:48<MrPPS>you'll probably need a few extra destination IP's or source software for updates etc.
21:48<MrPPS>you'll probably also want to allow queries to certain NTP servers
21:49<FluffyFoxeh>can one reasonably configure a Linux firewall to only allow egress from whitelisted applications? So someone couldn't use your server in a DDoS unless they got root or hijacked something privileged
21:49<tonypham>hello
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21:50<MrPPS>didn't wait long
21:51<MrPPS>Well, you can reasonably configure that, yes
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21:51<MrPPS>But it takes time + effort which most people don't put in :)
21:51<FluffyFoxeh>would that be apparmor/SELinux or something else? I've never really looked into this and I know that process-based rules in iptables aren't really a thing
21:54<MrPPS>I generally just go down the route of IP + TCP based rules, just because they're consistent across various hosts + platforms
21:54<MrPPS>But you could probably do it with apparmor or SELinux; I've just not really looked into doing so
21:54<MrPPS>But IP + TCP/UDP rules are all platform-independent
21:54<FluffyFoxeh>well I mean, you can always whitelist ports in any firewall, but I'm talking about applications. So someone couldn't run some random binary and get out on port 80 because it's open already
21:55<FluffyFoxeh>they'd have to trick Apache into doing it
21:56<Eliz>glickity: lol wordpress
21:56<FluffyFoxeh>or something else that explicitly has permission to communicate on port 80
21:56<Eliz>.apropos wordpress
21:56<Eliz>err
21:56<Eliz>linbot: apropos wordpress
21:56<linbot>Eliz: No appropriate commands were found.
21:56<Eliz>darn, was sure there was an alias at some point laughing at wordpress
21:58<MrPPS>FluffyFoxeh: Yeah, presumably possible, but I've never specifically looked at doing it
22:01<FluffyFoxeh>Eliz: I don't think apropos will find aliases or factoids
22:01<FluffyFoxeh>%wp
22:01<FluffyFoxeh>!wp
22:01<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: you think wrong then :)
22:02<Eliz>linbot: apropos eugene
22:02<linbot>Eliz: eugenekay
22:02<FluffyFoxeh>it doesn't on this other bot I just tried
22:02<Eliz>.help euegenekay
22:02<Eliz>linbot: help euegenekay
22:02<Eliz>aI can't spell lol
22:02<FluffyFoxeh>!help eugenekay
22:02<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: (eugenekay <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo http://i.imgur.com/wPvtNDk.png".
22:02<FluffyFoxeh>hm
22:02<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: so .. your other bot sucks ;)
22:02<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: botsnack
22:03<Eliz>err, ok, I am done
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>[22:02:58] <NiGHTS> The current (running) version of this Limnoria is 2016.12.08, running on Python 3.4.3 (default, Nov 17 2016, 01:08:31) [GCC 4.8.4]. The newest versions available online are 2017.03.30 (in master), 2017.06.04 (in testing).
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>shrug
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>linbot: version
22:03<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
22:03<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: supybot before all the forks searches just fine :p
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>interesting
22:03<FluffyFoxeh>:p
22:04<FluffyFoxeh>linbot: source
22:04<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: My source is at http://supybot.com/
22:04<Eliz>linbot isn't running any special fork, iirc
22:04<FluffyFoxeh>nope, it's just supyobt
22:04<FluffyFoxeh>bot
22:05<Eliz>but yeah, my limnoria instance does it fine too
22:05<FluffyFoxeh>weird...
22:05<Eliz>otherwise it'd be impossible to find aliases
22:05<Eliz>are you sure it's alias and not factoids?
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22:06<FluffyFoxeh>yep
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>Through the Aka plugin
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22:06<FluffyFoxeh>is that the right one?
22:06<Eliz>nop
22:06<Eliz>Alias == Alias
22:06<Eliz>linbot: plugin eugenekay
22:06<linbot>Eliz: The "eugenekay" command is available in the Alias plugin.
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>even on Limnoria>
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>?
22:06<Eliz>ye
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>odd
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>this one has Aka, not Alias
22:07<Eliz>because all of linbot's "commands" are just echo aliases
22:07<FluffyFoxeh>I know
22:07<FluffyFoxeh>Aka does the same thing
22:07<Eliz>except not really ;)
22:07<Eliz>at least, apparently not in the same fashion
22:08<FluffyFoxeh>yeah. it does call itself an alias if you run help on it
22:08<FluffyFoxeh>[22:07:55] <NiGHTS> (remindme <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "scheduler add [calc [echo $1] * 60] "echo $nick: $2"".
22:08<FluffyFoxeh>but I guess it's different
22:08<Eliz>yeah, not quite the same it seems
22:14<Eliz>would definitely move to aka, since it decouples from bot.conf, but lack of help/alias is a real put down .. darn
22:15<FluffyFoxeh>I found two zip files in an backup of my home directory: Archive.zip and trap.zip. They're password-protected and I don't remember the password. In fact I don't remember what's inside them nor ever putting them there
22:15<FluffyFoxeh>an old backup*
22:15<Eugene>Spring the trap
22:16<FluffyFoxeh>I would if I knew the password. But I don't and maybe that's for the best
22:16<FluffyFoxeh>it looks like bad juju
22:16<FluffyFoxeh>:p
22:17<millisa>jtr could get them eventually.
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22:19<glickity>fail2ban by default is enabled for ssh?
22:19<FluffyFoxeh>no
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22:19<millisa>not usually
22:19<FluffyFoxeh>actually wait, if you mean once you install it does it do SSH automatically... maybe. I'm not sure
22:20<MrPPS>Config is set up for SSH automatically
22:20<MrPPS>Distro-dependent as to whether service is enable to start automatically or not
22:20<FluffyFoxeh>yeah I know it's trivial to enable in any case
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22:31<glickity>hey folks, to allow just the ability to sendmail, i installed sendmail. but why is it listening on port25. i just want it to be able to send out going mail from scripts and wordpress etc
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22:38<MrPPS>well it's either gotta listen on a port, or a socket, to be able to accept mail for sending :)
22:40<glickity>MrPPS: it listens on 127.0.0.1
22:40<MrPPS>Correct
22:40<glickity>can i tell it to not accept anything from outside connections
22:40<MrPPS>That's normal behaviour
22:41<MrPPS>Well if it's only listening on localhost, it's already ignoring outside connections
22:41<glickity>yeah yeah
22:41<glickity>true duh
22:41<FluffyFoxeh>TIL about fallocate
22:41<glickity>so should i allow it in my firewall
22:41<glickity>?
22:41<glickity>ufw allow smtp?
22:42<FluffyFoxeh>yes but if it's only listening on localhost it's pointless
22:42<MrPPS>Yeah, I mean, to send you'll need to be connecting out to smtp ports also
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22:42<FluffyFoxeh>oh yeah, true
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22:42<glickity>good point good point!
22:43<MrPPS>:)
22:43<glickity>thanksl
22:43<MrPPS>No worries!
22:44<glickity>see, but if i do ufw allow smtp, it allows from anywhere
22:44<glickity>should i say, allow from localhost?
22:44<MrPPS>You'll want to allow incoming to localhost, outgoing to anywhere
22:44<glickity>yes
22:44<glickity>ok
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22:57<glickity>hmm following the guide to see what email to use as the sender with sendmail for fail2ban sendmail -t email@address.com i just get a promptless new line where i can type but nothing happens
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23:00<glickity>heh guess everyones in bed
23:00<FluffyFoxeh>getting there
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23:01<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know what that command does but if I were to take a wild guess I'd say it takes some kind of input from stdin and you terminate with ctrl+D
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23:04<FluffyFoxeh>oh if it's sendmail that's actually exactly what it does
23:04<FluffyFoxeh>you terminate the message with EOF (ctrl+D) and it'll send it to the specified address
23:04<FluffyFoxeh>in the context of fail2ban it's probably meant to be called automatically from the fail2ban scripts somehow
23:06<glickity>meh, only ctrl-C does something
23:06<glickity>ctrl-d does nothing
23:09<FluffyFoxeh>that's odd
23:10<FluffyFoxeh>try pressing ctrl+D and waiting a bit? maybe it's failing to connect to something and timing out
23:10<glickity>alright
23:14<glickity>the error log says sendmail: unable to qualify own domain name
23:14<glickity>hmm
23:14<glickity>when i set the host name i guess i should set the hostname to something.domain.net
23:14<glickity>and not just 'something'
23:14<FluffyFoxeh>I believe so, yes
23:15<glickity>damnit
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>the hostname thing has always confused me a little but what I do is put my /etc/hosts line like this
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>127.0.1.1kitsune.fastquake.comkitsune
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>er
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>127.0.1.1 kitsune.fastquake.com kitsune
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>and in /etc/hostname I just put "kitsune"
23:16<glickity>i see
23:16<glickity>ill try it thanks
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23:18<FluffyFoxeh>http://kitsune.fastquake.com/files/hosts
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23:38<glickity>hi quick question how come when i do sudo echo "newhostname" > /etc/hostname i get permission denied?
23:41<dwfreed>because > is a shell redirect
23:42<dwfreed>it's processed by bash before sudo is even run
23:42<dwfreed>echo "newhostnam" | sudo tee /etc/hostname
23:42<dwfreed>maybe spell newhostname correctly
23:45<glickity>i see
23:45<glickity>i figured it out thanks dwfreed
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