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---Logopened Sun Jul 09 00:00:03 2017
00:00<glickity>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/provide-encrypted-resource-access-using-ssl-certificates-on-nginx/
00:01<dwfreed>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/provide-encrypted-resource-access-using-ssl-certificates-on-nginx#use-ssl-with-versions-of-nginx-after-0714
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01:19<nate>The new block storage stuff isn't really out yet is it?
01:25<dwfreed>nope, still beta
01:26<nate>Hrm
01:26<nate>Darn
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01:26<nate>Was gonna try and set someone up with an ARK server on a 8G plan but not sure there's enough storage space lol
01:27<nate>though not sure of the block storage prices yet, need to look at that
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01:38<dwfreed>nate: $0.10/GB/mo, iirc
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01:39<dwfreed>nate: during beta it's free, though
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01:40<nate>Ah that's not horrible, though I imagine they wouldn't want me bulking up 80 some G of blockstorage during the beta with ARK files lol.
01:41<dwfreed>the beta allows for up to 1 TB volumes
01:41<dwfreed>80 GB is nothing in comparison
01:42<nate>For some reason I just assumed they probably were expecting it to be low-volume use
01:42<dwfreed>in production, expected use is going to be all over the place, so it's a good idea to test all of it
01:43<dwfreed>I kind of want to just start making lots of 1 TB volumes and see when it starts complaining
01:43<dwfreed>make sure the back-end allocation system works :)
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01:56<Peng>Testing the monitoring and error messages, eh :P
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03:09<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
03:09<Zimsky>but is linode eugeneing every day?
03:16<arlen>all day every day
03:23<dcraig>I tried to arlen but it was too hard
03:23<arlen>:(
03:23*arlen slaps arlen around a bit with a large antarctic cod
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03:46<Guest726>How easy and difficult it is to upgrade VPS, how much time it takes ??? Is there any specific process or steps involved ?
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03:48<Peng>It's easy.
03:49<Peng>Turn it off, click the button, turn it back on again.
03:49<Peng>Wait, do you still have to turn it off first?
03:49<Zimsky>maybe
03:49<Peng>Anyway, it's under the Resize tab in the manager.
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06:02<cyberbuzz>I wanted to know about 1GB plan.
06:02<kyhwana>ok
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06:03<cyberbuzz>It says 1TB transfer. what does this mean?
06:03<Peng>cyberbuzz: ↖
06:04<cyberbuzz>thanks
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06:20<Woet>im confused
06:20<Woet>how did that arrow answer it
06:20<Woet>what kind of language do you guys speak
06:21<Zimsky>it's a silly arrow
06:21<Zimsky>i think it was referring to the above statement
06:21<Woet>but it was just his question
06:22<Woet>how did his own question answer it
06:22<Woet>help
06:22<Zimsky>peng: ↖
06:22<Woet>[12:03:34] <cyberbuzz> It says 1TB transfer. what does this mean?
06:22<Woet>[12:03:55] <Peng> cyberbuzz: ↖
06:22<Woet>yes
06:22<Woet>how
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06:24<arlen>it was answered in the freenode channel
06:25<Woet>ooookay
06:26<arlen>#linode on freenode
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07:34<JamesTK>Peng: ↖
07:34<Peng>:O
07:34<JamesTK>:O
07:34<JamesTK>I work for a certain large corporate who also happens to be a cloud computing company now
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07:45<GeorgeJetson>Hello, I would to install a browser on my debian system. Here is my sources.list - https://gist.github.com/metaperl/ae88ef86d159ae69f323d565d865b7d3 ... however `apt-cache search` does not find any of the ones I saw at https://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ and I am running the stable version of Debian, correct?
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07:46<Peng>Jessie is oldstable
07:46<ponas>yeah you should upgrade to stretch
07:47<GeorgeJetson>ponas: how do I do that upgrade?
07:48<GeorgeJetson>I think I found something on how to do it - https://tecadmin.net/upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch/
07:49<ponas>yup, that should work
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07:52<glickity>the linode.com guide of setting up https says to use this path for your cert in nginx, but on my debian 9 system its not there, /srv/ssl/nginx.pem
07:53<glickity>i followed the letsencrypt guide
07:57<Peng>Which guides?
07:58<Peng>That sounds like an example path or something. Your certificate and key files are probably somewhere else, especially if you used Let's Encrypt.
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08:09<GeorgeJetson>I am unable to upgrade apache when moving from jessie to stretch. There is an overwrite conflict error - https://gist.github.com/metaperl/5f881d7b8e1ee854745450d35cd5a3cb
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08:16<GeorgeJetson>This seems to be working - https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/292832/debian-package-manager-problem
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08:50<GeorgeJetson>ADMINS please note: there is no MPM guide or apache guide for Debian Stretch - https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/apache/
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09:02<dwfreed>GeorgeJetson: ubuntu 16.04 should be close enough
09:02<GeorgeJetson>The Apache guide ( https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/apache/apache-web-server-debian-8 ) says to type `sudo a2dismod mpm_event` followed by `sudo a2enmod mpm_prefork` but when I type those command I get the m
09:02<GeorgeJetson>ok I will try that out
09:02<dwfreed>GeorgeJetson: stretch was just released, it'll take a little while for the docs team to release new guides
09:03<GeorgeJetson>dwfreed: you mean the 16.04 guide is not on Linode right - https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/apache/ ... it's somewhere on the Ubuntu site?
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09:41<dwfreed>GeorgeJetson: you presumably want https://linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04/
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09:56<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Linode server with GUI? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14984&p=74020#p74020>
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12:33<Ankit>hi
12:33<Ankit>i need help
12:34<Ankit>anybody here
12:34<dzho>!ask
12:34<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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12:35<Ankit>I have accidently deleted .env file from server
12:35<Ankit>Can i restore it
12:36<Ankit>I am unsure of what to use in .env file
12:36<Ankit>here are parameters
12:36<Ankit>APP_ENV
12:36<Ankit>APP_DEBUG
12:36<Ankit>APP_KEY
12:36<Ankit>DB_HOST
12:36<Ankit>DB_DATABASE
12:36<Ankit>DB_USERNAME
12:36<Ankit>DB_PASSWORD
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13:10<dzho>Ankit: sorry, I don't recognize what those files are.
13:11<dzho>do you pay for the linode backup service?
13:11<dzho>if so, you might be able to recover the file from a backup.
13:11<dzho>or from any backups you might otherwise have to hand.
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13:19<Ankit>mmm. i dont
13:23<dzho>presumably these are credentials for accessing some sort of ... application ... and some sort of database.
13:24<dzho>but, hosted where? on a linode?
13:24<dzho>or access *from* a linode?
13:24<dzho>or both?
13:24<dzho>or neither?
13:24<dzho>and who admins any of them?
13:24<dzho>and so on.
13:25<dzho>recovering any of that depends heavily on all those details. maybe someone recognizes those particular keys as being associated with something more specific, but I've got nothing.
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13:53<zach>Hello!
13:54<zach>Does linode offer Block Storage
13:54<dzho>zach: hi. it's in beta.
13:54<zach>Can I use it?
13:54*dzho shrugs
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13:54<dzho>maybe?
13:54<dzho>!ops
13:54<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
13:55<dzho>I haven't used it yet, so I've told you pretty much what I know.
13:56<dzho>oh, hmm.
13:57<dzho>maybe he'll find the blog post that it took me all of about 10 s to find.
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14:57<dcraig>chanserv, chill.
14:59<glickity>hi. how do you all handle backups?
14:59<glickity>i have a WP server on my linode. and am wondering how i should handle backups
15:01<glickity>or should i only backup my wp data
15:01<glickity>?
15:01<dcraig>I just use the backup service
15:04<zifnab>do that ^^ and just run `mysqldump` on a crontab
15:05<glickity>using the backup service costs me a year of service
15:05<millisa>how do you figure?
15:06<millisa>with the exception of the smallest linode, it's usually ~25% of a linode's cost
15:06<glickity>yes and i paid for 36 months
15:06<glickity>so i go to 25 months of service for the price
15:06<glickity>hmm
15:07<glickity>although, snapshots are pretty big
15:07<glickity>do snapshots count towards my server space?
15:08<dcraig>that is some incredible math
15:08<glickity>180/5 = 36
15:08<glickity>180/7 = 25
15:08<glickity>very simple math
15:09<millisa>if you are talking about the manual backup in the backup service, no. backups are a separate thing and don't count towards your storage. you only get one manual snapshot
15:09<dcraig>imagine if you had paid for 30 years
15:09<dcraig>eventually you'll have to sell your house if linode increases their monthly price by a penny
15:10<glickity>lol
15:13<dcraig>ok
15:13<dcraig>if you pay for 1.7 million years in advance, and the price goes up a penny, you'll have to pay about 200k more, which is about one house
15:14<dcraig>and then you will come on irc and say the penny increase cost you your house
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15:14<millisa>"Is my data worth $2 this month"
15:14<millisa>"Is my data worth $24 this year"
15:14<millisa>that answer is rarely 'no'.
15:15<millisa>you could always roll your own backup solution; it's not like you have to use Linode's
15:16<glickity>yeah but thats a hassle
15:16<millisa>is the hassle worth $2?
15:16<glickity>i want my thingie to be as hassle free as possible
15:31<glickity>ok i guess my data is worth 2 bucks a yar
15:31<glickity>year
15:31<millisa>24 a year
15:31<millisa>(assuming the smallest linode)
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16:31<Eliz>I use tarsnap, glickity
16:31<kfogel>I'm looking to rent a VM that has lots of disk storage (i.e., proportionally more than one would get with the normal levels of CPU and RAM I need). This is to run a MediaGoblin instance. Anyone know an offering at Linode that would work for this? (In general, I'm surprised at how the offerings of most cloud providers assume that CPU+memory should scale along with storage -- there are plenty of circumstances where
16:31<kfogel>one needs lots of storage but not proportionally more memory/CPU.)
16:32<Peng>Block storage is in beta.
16:32<Eliz>you can request it in the Newark datacenter
16:32<Eliz>it's priced at 10cents/gb
16:33<kfogel>Eliz: thanks
16:33<kfogel>Peng: thx likewise
16:34<dzho>kfogel: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14906
16:35<kfogel>dzho: this is perfect. This is for data that I can afford to lose (its master copies live elsewhere).
16:35*dzho nods
16:35<kfogel>dzho: I'll take a closer look and probably give it a try. /cc Eliz Peng
16:36<Eliz>never seen a cc in IRC, that's a first lol
16:36<dzho>if this is the kfogel I think it is, isn't a complete stranger to IRC though http://producingoss.com/en/irc.html
16:36<dzho>:-)
16:36<kfogel>dzho: I've been outed :-)
16:36<dzho>heh
16:36<Eliz>dzho: well, given they didn't use webirc, didn't say they were a nub :p
16:37<kfogel>dzho: in #linode on Freenet, someone just pointed me to https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/how-to-use-block-storage-with-your-linode too, btw
16:37<Eliz>needed some basic docs for it ;)
16:38<dzho>kfogel: and there's a recent post on linode's blog that went up on linode's 14th birthday announcing it, which is how I've been finding it
16:39<Eliz>caker: your post says up to 8 volumes per linode, https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/how-to-use-block-storage-with-your-linode says 4, which is true? :p
16:40<kfogel>Eliz: one of these posts has fake news, yup :-)
16:40<millisa>I did 8
16:40<kfogel>thanks millisa
16:41<millisa>(https://www.linode.com/docs/assets/createconfprofile-small.png - including the local ones)
16:42<Eliz>millisa: eh, volumes don't need to be assigned it seems
16:42<millisa>when I'd attached them, they took up slots in the profile
16:42<kfogel>ok, heading out. Thanks dzho, Eliz, millisa for the information.
16:42<millisa>i just cleared out my test storage nodes yesterday or I'd show a screenshot
16:43<Eliz>millisa: I figured it was 8, it was just a way to point out the typos to caker ;)
16:43<millisa>it just surprised me when i'd attached the 6th block device and then when I went to attach number 7 it said you could only have 8
16:49<@caker>the guide is wrong - we'll fix it - thx
16:51<Eliz>caker: thanks :)
16:58<glickity>how come when i click on enable backups for this node
16:58<glickity>it just takes me back to the same site asking me if i want to enable it
16:58<glickity>i already clicked and then clicked okay
16:58<Eliz>!enter
16:58<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
16:58<glickity>and it just takes me back to that site
16:58<Eliz>glickity: open a ticket, I don't know how/why any of us would know.
16:59<Eliz>if I had to guess, CSRF fuckery.
16:59<glickity>Eliz: because some of the people in here work for linode
16:59<Eliz>glickity: yes, but it's sunday
16:59<Eliz>also, they couldn't just guess either, you hit a bug and they need to look at it :p
16:59<Eliz>and to do that, they kinda need a ticket to get the right account ;)
17:00<glickity>ok its working now
17:00<Eliz>then yeah, probably CSRF stuff.
17:00<glickity>i dont know what CSRF is
17:01<glickity>all thats left to do now is install OSSEC
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