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01:40<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • CAA type DNS records <>
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01:55<Amohost>I couldnt find the pricing for the managed services on the website
01:55<Amohost>can anyone help me out please?
01:55<dwfreed>^ it's on that page
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02:44<amohost>another quick question
02:44<amohost>Will I be able to install cloudlinux if i choose to go with Linode?
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02:47<amohost> hello [12:44] <amohost> another quick question [12:44] <amohost> Will I be able to install cloudlinux if i choose to go with Linode?
02:57<arlen>there you go
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03:02<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions:
03:02<Zimsky>that's terrifying
03:02<Zimsky>why would you
03:02<csnxs>jenkins build slave? that's the only reason we have a windows linode
03:02<Zimsky>why can't you run that on a unix system?
03:03<csnxs>building for windows is probably best done on a windows machine
03:03<csnxs>the master is run on lunix so no worries
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03:36<zifnab>Zimsky: its a pain in the ass to build certain .net things on linux still
03:36<zifnab>hell, even getting an exe out of a java piece of shit requires windows
03:38<Zimsky>zifnab: "require" is not the word to use
03:39<zifnab>"require" "I may lose my sanity if its not there"
03:39<Zimsky>more like "it's ridiculously difficult to do it on linux because there's so much proprietary, non-standard shit"
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03:40<Zimsky>zifnab: chromecast is ridiculous
03:41<Zimsky>"The chromecast app is too old to configure this device, please update to the latest version"
03:41<Zimsky>"Checking for updates... The app is up to date!"
03:41<Zimsky>"...the chromecast app is too old to configure this device, please update to the latest version"
03:42*dcraig tickles zimsky and zifnab around a bit with a large gar
03:42<Zimsky>no, not the large gar.
03:42<Zimsky>anything but the gar.
03:42<dcraig>afraid so
03:43<Zimsky>does it include the 20% VAT?
03:44<dcraig>what is this nonsense
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04:23<Cromulent>hmm seems like you can do some cool stuff with an Amazon Fire TV Stick
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04:25<Zimsky>in /this/ economy?
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08:58<blogbing>Hi, We're Managed Wordpress Provider with more than 250 Clients. Now, we're planning to shift to Linode. So, each of the user will have it's own Linode Server. So, will there be any issue with that much huge number of servers ? Also what about safety of data ? Because we have faced very bad experience of account ban from previous host.
08:59<blogbing>Hi, We're Managed Wordpress Provider with more than 250 Clients. Now, we're planning to shift to Linode. So, each of the user will have it's own Linode Server. So, will there be any issue with that much huge number of servers ? Also what about safety of data ? Because we have faced very bad experience of account ban from previous host. #linode
08:59<warewolf>blogbing: you may want to shoot linode folks an e-mail, this is mostly unofficial support
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08:59<blogbing>Hi, We're Managed Wordpress Provider with more than 250 Clients. Now, we're planning to shift to Linode. So, each of the user will have it's own Linode Server. So, will there be any issue with that much huge number of servers ? Also what about safety of data ? Because we have faced very bad experience of account ban from previous host. Sorry got disconnected from session so #linode
08:59<warewolf>OH GOD STOP
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09:00<warewolf>three times is enough man! :P
09:00<@jalter>blogbing: We have other managed Wordpress providers hosting with Linode. Should be fine as long as you and your customers follow our Terms of Service
09:00<blogbing>@jalter Thanks for the response. Have a nice day :)
09:01<@jalter>you too!
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09:16<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Atlanta <>
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09:27<learner>hey guys
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09:28<Zimsky>jalter: Hi, We're Managed Wordpress Provider
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09:29<Zimsky>more than 9000 clients
09:29<ryu>this is a long shot but does anyone have any cisco server debugging experience?
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09:30<ryu>my cisco server is responding with connection timed out for any user attempting to login i restarted the server and it didnt work
09:30<ryu>now im out of options heh
09:30<Zimsky>it was 5 years ago and I kicked the server
09:31<Zimsky>the power cord got knocked and it rebooted and it was fixed
09:31<Peng>Nice one, Fonzie
09:32<Zimsky>peng: call me Fonzie again and see what happens
09:32<@jalter>I'm curious what happens
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09:35<learner>hey guys
09:35<learner>i'm trying to create a proxy set up via ssh, to act like a vpn
09:36<learner>i'm so far able to do dynamic tunneling, however i get a lot of refusals in iptables
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09:36<Zimsky>so set allow rules
09:36<learner>any suggestions on what to allow
09:37<Zimsky>depends what's getting blocked, what you want to be allowed, and what you want to be blocked
09:37<Zimsky>also the colour of your dog's fur
09:37<learner>Zimsky: i'm trying to allow full internet browsing for the client
09:38<learner>i'm also trying not to open up the server to attacks
09:38<learner>so I want to only allow connections that the client side is opening, if that makes sense
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09:44<LiamHolmes1508>Hey, Just wanted to ask, what OS does Linode servers run?
09:44<Zimsky>whatever OS you want it to
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09:45<LiamHolmes1508>alright, thanks
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09:46<juxley>Hello, unsure if anyone can help me here, but when trying to fetch the signing key for a repository, I get this error: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
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09:47<Zimsky>key might not be formatted right
09:47<Zimsky>the error sounds pretty self-explanatory
09:47<learner>this is my iptables rules, I think i've messed something up
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09:49<juxley>Zimsky: Is that my fault then?
09:51<Zimsky>where are you getting the key from? how are you fetching it? how are you trying to add it to the system? what does the data look like?
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09:51<ghosty>I've recently made a new account under the name ebell891. I was resetting my password today and the system emailed me back that I had an account under the username 'ghosty' also associated with my email address
09:52<ghosty>Is there a way to verify that the ghosty account was mine? When typing the username and reset password, I do not recieve an email
09:52<learner>Zimsky: did you take a look at my iptables rules?
09:52<Zimsky>this is a public help chan, posting such info mightn't be a good idea
09:52<Zimsky>learner: I was watering my herb garden
09:53<learner>k, well if you could please take a look, i'd appreciate it
09:54<juxley>Zimsky: source - ;
09:55<juxley>Zimsky: command: wget -qO- | apt-key add -
09:56<ghosty>I believe I know which email the ghosty account is connected to, but that gmail does not exist anymore
09:57<ghosty>I'll submit a support ticket
09:57<Zimsky>that sounds like a good idea
09:57<Zimsky>juxley: try `curl`
09:57<Zimsky>the result might be interesting
09:58<learner>. . - - - ^^^
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10:01<juxley>Error 503
10:02<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • SPAM folder <>
10:02<juxley>Zimsky: Error 03
10:03<juxley>Zimsky: 503*
10:06<Woet>juxley: dont include the quotes..
10:06<Woet>oh, nvm
10:08<Zimsky>Woet: yes, juxley's issue is a little more elementary
10:10<learner>Zimsky: any chance you took a look?
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10:47<juxley>Zimsky: so basically the key is just not there?
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11:20<synfinatic>i'm disappoint
11:24<csnxs>I demand the dairy I expected
11:33<Zimsky>demand away
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11:42<Rb_>How many website I can host in $10 plan
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11:45<Zimsky>all of them
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11:48<Zimsky>coc cheese
11:50*csnxs does dirty things under the table
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12:30<cleverkraft>Is there any way to stop the incessant newsletter popup? It's insanely annoying while reading documentation to have that appear *all the time*.
12:30<Woet>did you try signing up
12:31<Woet>where do you get it?
12:31<cleverkraft>I don't want to sign up, nor do I want to give false info.
12:31<cleverkraft>Any of the guides brings up a "Come here often?" dialog to sign up to the newsletter.
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12:33<cleverkraft>If this happened once a day, it would be annoying, but it happens on *every* guide page eventually, so if you reading a number of guides, you get hit *every time*.
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12:33<gecco>hello linode, any netops guys in here?
12:33<@mcintosh>cleverkraft: it's not intended to appear so frequently - we're fixing that now, sorry
12:33<gecco>all my nodes in dallas go dark every 15mins, for 1-2mins at a time, but ICMP pings still work
12:34<gecco>I'm coming from Comcast and ATT, seeing the same results
12:34<cleverkraft>Please make a "don't ask again" link on that pop up that gives me a cookie or something.
12:35<relidy>gecco: Have you tried checking iostat on the machine(s) in question to see if it's a CPU steal issue?
12:35<cleverkraft>Or in my account settings, give us an option. Thanks.
12:35<dwfreed>the docs don't have access to your linode manager information, for good reason
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12:36<gecco>@relidy these are asterisk boxes, 95% idle, then some are ubiquiti unifi servers, what else should I look for?
12:37<gecco>@relidy, steal is 0.45
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12:38<relidy>gecco: Sorry, that was my only guess at the moment. Someone else may have better leads for you.
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12:39<Peng>gecco: Steal is 0.45 now, but what is it when it's down?
12:40<Peng>I'm fairly certain Dallas doesn't generally die every 15 minutes
12:40<Peng>Maybe the software you're running does something weird?
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12:41<gecco>steal is same 0.46, I'm seeing packet loss, ICMP loss, this looks like fiber transit from Atlanta to Dallas
12:42<gecco>Thanks @relidy @peng Dallas appears to be going out every 15mins for 10-15 seconds
12:43<Peng>Surely someone else would have noticed already...
12:44<Peng>Incidentally, this happened in Atlanta today:
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12:44<relidy>I have a bunch of machines in Dallas that I'm not seeing issues with, but I'm also not routing between the DCs for anything.
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12:46<@mcintosh>gecco: can you run MTRs?
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12:47<Peng>I have at least one IRC connection between Atlanta and Dallas that i haven't noticed problems with. Then again, i might not notice brief problems.
12:48<@aforster>gecco: atlanta and dallas graph of inter-dc icmp for last hour
12:48<@aforster>not perfect but that's what we use to spot check
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12:52<Peng>I fired up mtr at the beginning of this conversation. No problems yet...
12:52<Peng>Loss to a couple of the routers, but no loss at the ends.
12:53<gecco>Thanks @mcintosh @aforster, I'm running MTR's problem is illusive, should rear its head any min now,
12:55<Peng>750 seconds, 0.0% loss.
12:55<@aforster>if you have timestamps of previous issues I can check monitoring
12:56<gecco>Thanks , have ton of time stamps, see here [8284634] connectivity drop
12:56<gecco>thanks Peng
12:59<Peng>1000 seconds, 0.0% loss.
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13:10<gecco>@Peng problem has vanished
13:11<gecco>last issue at 12:41est, so far nothing, no loss, we think its a peering issue or something
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13:12<gecco>@aforster is there a way to continuously run MTR's so that when/if this happens again, I already have the reports and the data to provide with the issue IP/router/segment?
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13:13<relidy>mtr has a report mode (--report) that you could conceivably route to a file.
13:14<dwfreed>mtr -rwb
13:14<Peng>You can leave it running all day in a shell.
13:14<Peng>Sometimes i do that by accident... :P
13:14<dwfreed>^ puts it in report mode, makes the output wide enough to not truncate anything, and shows addresses as well as hostnames
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13:15<dwfreed>Peng: I intentionally leave mtr running for days/weeks at a time
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13:15<Peng>That's like... MEGABYTES of traffic. :P
13:16<dwfreed>the regular display stops being wide enough on the 'count' column at 100,000
13:16<dwfreed>it cuts off the last digit
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13:17<gecco>so how exactly do you do that? I just need something that runs and recycles itself over a 24hr period, so when itermittent things like this happen, @aforster can see where the issue is and I'm not caught with my pants down... just having report times of packet drops, which do not help triage the issue
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13:18<@aforster>yeah I'd do a cronjob of like, mtr -rwz -c 590 -i 0.1 $IP >> ~/mtr.txt
13:19<@aforster>will take a 59 second mtr report at a decently high resolution and append to mtr.txt in your home dir
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13:19<dwfreed>aforster: include -b in that :)
13:20<dwfreed>mtr doesn't do FCrDNS, so hostnames could be useless
13:23<Peng>None of the IPs between Linode data centers normally have rDNS at all, though.
13:24<Peng>2500 seconds, 0 loss.
13:25<Peng>Can y'all think of anything that happens every 15 minutes? DHCP, ARP...?
13:26<Eugene>The DNS resolvers update :v
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13:31<dwfreed>Eugene: you mean the authoritative nameservers?
13:32<Eugene>Depends upon your perspective. Jeeves is my authroitative, Linode only provides slave resolving....
13:32<Eugene>But yes
13:33<dwfreed>they're still authoritative
13:34<dwfreed>as far as the DNS protocol cares
13:34<Peng>I hope the authoritative DNS servers updating doesn't break anyone's nodes... :P
13:34<Eugene>It was a troll answer to begin with an you are reading far too deeply into this
13:34<Peng>Maybe reloading BIND is SO SLOW that time grinds to a halt in the entire neighborhood
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13:44<csnxs>!lick peng
13:44<linbot>csnxs: Point given to peng. (16)
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13:54<gecco>thanks @dwfreed @Peng @aforster problem has vanished as of 12:40pmEST, started at 8:40amEST, packet loss or dropping every 20-30mins, affecting all nodes in Dallas 1 & 2, we think it was a peering provider, could have been Atlanta specific, Linode is going to update a doc adding in a cron job for MTR which will be super helpful in the future for having reports when we need them, to better detect intermittent issues like this
13:55<gecco>apparently I'm the only sensitive voip soul here, who gets to detect everything, but this exercise in vanishing problems will pay off down the road
13:55<gecco>take it easy
13:56<dwfreed>oh don't worry, there are others
13:56<gecco>they need to start complaining and speak up so I'm not the only one
13:56<dwfreed>VoIP just needs to develop more resilient protocols :P
13:56<gecco>but big props to linode, this is the first issue this year really, network has been rock damn solid
13:57<gecco>SIP is resilient, no protocol can handle packet loss when in the real time voice environment
13:57<gecco>the voice legs are good, its the registration which drops that screws me
13:58*dwfreed points out that people deal with cell phone signal loss all the time
13:58<@aforster>don't you pick up your trunk in atlanta?
13:58<@aforster>there was a giant 56 marietta power issue today
13:58<dwfreed>why can't they handle the same in VoIP?
13:58<Peng>aforster: Not for long, though, right?
13:59<Peng>Though I had a Hurricane Electric hiccup about 40 minutes after the Linode hiccup
13:59<gecco>thats a good point, multi-home it, the trouble with voip is it hits the PSTN only from one point, so you would have to multihome to one point again
13:59<@aforster>half the building lost power and restored within a half hour, but I've been seeing people on outages@ saying "just came back up" for much longer after
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13:59<@aforster>I would guess the entire atlanta metro had a pretty bad morning
14:00<gecco>servers are in dallas, voip trunks are, but that might be it
14:00<@aforster>since marietta is the only place worth being around there
14:00<gecco>when is linode getting out of Zayo and into a real DC like 56?
14:00<gecco>Zayo is a piece of...
14:01<gecco>I was in there for 7 years, left when Zayo took over because they absolutely suck
14:01<Peng>You realize 56 just had a power outage
14:01<gecco>and it was a piece of crap back then too, but cheap... $50 a U
14:01<Peng>I haven't forgotten all of Zayo's power outages, but... :P
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14:03<@aforster>yeah there's a loooot of copper in marietta
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14:03<Peng>Oh, Cloudflare posted a brief note from Digital Realty.
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14:07<@tduff>Yeah we got the same one, I think they blasted it out to all their customers
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14:09<gecco>there is tons of fiber there, makes sense
14:09<gecco>alright, I'm out, thanks guys
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14:10<Mayank>Do you migrate for free?
14:11<millisa>They do a couple free site migrations if you pay for the managed level, but it's definitely not 'free'
14:13<Mayank>You have support?
14:13<Mayank>Or I will have to setup everything
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14:15<millisa>Most folks use linode to do it on their own (there are some good docs at but they have managed service and professional service offerings ( if you want them to do stuff for you
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14:18<millisa>it's on the page.
14:19<Mayank>I don't see it
14:19<millisa>how far did you read?
14:20<dwfreed>Ctrl+f $
14:20<dwfreed>or Cmd+f for Mac users
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15:48<Eugene>$DAYJOB tales: $user reports that all of their emails today are being flagged as spam. So I take an hour-long adventure into spamd & Exchange to discover...... all of their emails today are spam.
15:48<Eugene>Ticket closed: PEBKAC
15:54<@mquatrani>!point Eugene
15:54<linbot>mquatrani: Point given to eugene. (26)
16:00<MajObviousman>today you're Linodin' AND anti-spammin'
16:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Why is terminal access to my Linode so slow? <>
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16:19<jony>Does linode acquire a datacenter in uk?
16:19<Peng>Linode has a location in London.
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16:19<Peng>They don't own the building.
16:20<jony>They leased the equipment
16:21<nate>Well they lease space, pretty sure linode builds all their own hardware :P
16:21<nate>same case as the vast majority of hosting providers, very few actually 'own' their own entire datacenter
16:23<Peng>Linode owns all of their hardware, as far as i know.
16:26<dwfreed>fun fact: digitalocean leased their servers as of 2014/2015 (and it's probably still that way)
16:26<Peng>fun fact: digitalocean has like $250 million in VC cash :P
16:27<Eliz>fun fact: digitalocean used to be pretty termination-happy :p
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16:46<nate>explains why their support staff were pretty douchy the one time I used them
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17:08<FluffyFoxeh>DigitalOcean's got a net neutrality popup. Where's Linode's? :p
17:09<relidy>Just what the Internet needs: more popups
17:10<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: see the little banner in the upper right corner of the homepage
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17:10<FluffyFoxeh>ohh, I didn't see it until I made my window bigger
17:11<dwfreed>DevOps haikus
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17:52<zifnab>dwfreed: how did i not know this existed
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17:57<dwfreed>zifnab: because it's made by somebody almost nobody knows
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18:06<zifnab>"this is fine," dog says \ at work, larger fires prevail \ so let's have some tea
18:07<zifnab>at work lar ger fi res pre vail
18:07<zifnab>so close
18:07<zifnab>SO CLOSE
18:26<Celti>It changes the meaning a bit but it fits syllabically
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18:48<zifnab>i wish i could ignore chanserv
18:48<zifnab>or that limit check was more/less abusive
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18:48<@mcintosh>your client doesn't support hiding those messages?
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18:49<Celti>What messages?
18:49*Celti probably already has them filtered.
18:49<dwfreed>the +l changes
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18:50<Celti>Ah, yeah, I filtered those out ages ago.
18:50<dwfreed>zifnab: /ignore ChanServ! MODES
18:50<dwfreed>that's irssi
18:50<dwfreed>weechat is probably similar
18:50<zifnab>dwfreed: 'irccloud'
18:50<Celti>In weechat set irc.look.smart_filter_mode "ovhl"
18:50<zifnab>i need to go back to weechat at some point
18:50<Celti>if you're using smart filters, anyway
18:50<dwfreed>zifnab: my condolences
18:50<zifnab>i was using 4gb of memory to start it though
18:50<zifnab>got really tired of it
18:50<zifnab>i have an almost abusvie number of channels open
18:51<@mcintosh>irccloud supports /ignore, i had thought...
18:51<zifnab>it does, but not chanserv
18:51<zifnab>i had to write a python plugin for wechat to find channels after a while, i had so many
18:51<zifnab>this is nicer, it has mobile support
18:52*Celti just uses the channel list sidebar thingy
18:52<zifnab>it tends to start lagging out at around 500 channels
18:52<zifnab>and entirely dies around 1k
18:52<zifnab>(i'll admit, my usage was a bit...unorthodox)
18:52<zifnab>(i should really /part, i don't want to)
18:52<Celti>"a bit"
18:53<zifnab>!xkcd workflow
18:53<linbot>zifnab: Connection refused.
18:53<zifnab>!help xkcd
18:53<linbot>zifnab: (xkcd <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1+@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
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19:24<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Create a new disk and then mount to my existing $20 instance <>
19:34<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Wordpress site not sending out emails <>
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20:36<waltman>linoders: How do you pronounce "linode"? I always thought the accent was on the first syllable (LINN-ode). But at your meetup/open house thing tonight, they were pronouncing it as "li-NODE".
20:38<dwfreed>^ you heard it from the man himself
20:39<dwfreed>it's a portmanteau of "Linux Node"
20:39<waltman>Everyone up on stage tonight put the accent on the second syllable!
20:40<Peng>how do you pronounce Linux
20:40<Celti>I must admit "lye-node" comes more readily to my tongue than "lynn-ode"
20:40<dzho>"my name is Linus Torvalds and I pronounce 'Linux' 'Linux'"
20:40<Peng>dzho: thx
20:41<waltman>So I thought, huh, maybe I've been pronouncing it wrong all this time. But then on the way home they were the sponsor of a podcast I was listening to, and the hosts put it on the first syllable.
20:41<nate>to be fair lynn-ode and li-node kinda sound the same to me, unless they mean lI-node, that capitalization makes all the difference
20:41<waltman>I say "LINN-ix"
20:41<dzho>man, I don't even know how long it took to download that sound file back in the day, but let me just say that I think local link was over thinnet
20:42<waltman>same here
20:42*dzho didn't quite get the quote right
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21:37<Celti>Huh. Latest weechat has a built-in buffer list without need for a script.
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