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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-07-14

---Logopened Fri Jul 14 00:00:11 2017
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03:01<nomaan>want to run magento 2.x on linode, which plan is recommended?
03:02<nomaan>and what is linode's average server response time? in ms
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03:04<nomaan>hat is linode's average server response time in ms?
03:08<Zimsky>n ms
03:08<Zimsky>where n = a floating point value
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03:15<Cromulent>hmm for some reason my linode is using 2.3GBs of hard drive space - I've deleted my SQL backups off the disk which freed up quite a bit of space but this seems slightly excessive for what I use my Linode for - I'm guessing it is log files of some sort that is causing the issue
03:15<Cromulent>just not sure which ones to look out for
03:16<millisa>i like using 'ncdu' at the root to hunt down diskhogs
03:16<Cromulent>ah cool thanks for the tip
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03:17<Zimsky>or du if you're mental
03:17<millisa>Diskhogs is the name of my new band.
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03:18<Cromulent>I think "My Linode has run out of disk and now I'm fucked" is more catchy :P
03:18<Zimsky>I wanted to call my band "The Nodes of Ranvier" after the neuroanatomical term
03:18<Zimsky>I found out that there actually is/was a band by that name already
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03:23<Cromulent>I found a really cool bit of software which is like mind mapping software on steroids the other day - really useful
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03:58<sid__>how to install wordpress in linode
03:58<sid__>anyone guide me step by step
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03:59<sid___>how to install wordpress in linode
03:59<sid___>anyone guide me step by step
04:00<millisa>there are step by step guides tehre.
04:00<millisa>er, there.
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04:01<sid___>i am try many time but
04:01<sid___>i am using first time any server
04:02<sid___>i am unable to install msql
04:03<millisa>why not?
04:04<sid___>i have ubuntu 17.04 install what is next step?
04:07<sid___>anyone help me
04:08<millisa>the 16.04 guides are mostly the same for 17.04. what step are you stuck on?
04:11<sid___>now apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
04:14<sid___>hostnamectl set-hostname hostname
04:15<sid___>ry there?
04:16*sid___ slaps millisa around a bit with a large fishbot
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04:40<dragon_123>anyone thr??
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04:44<dragon_123>i have some problem configuring nginx with a linode..
04:46<dragon_123>i am getting an error when try to serve the static files from nginx linode for my nodejs app which is running on another linode
04:48<dragon_123>proxy for my nodejs server is working but the static files are failing to load from nginx server
04:49<Zimsky>there is no one here
04:49<Zimsky>please leave a massage and Zimsky will get back to me at her earliest inconvenience
04:50<dragon_123>Cromulent was here???
04:50<Zimsky>Cromulent was never here
04:50*Cromulent doesn't exist
04:51<dragon_123>there is an 'hi' message from him
04:51<Zimsky>dragon_123: unless you're on a managed plan or have contracted professional services, help here is best effort
04:51<Zimsky>this is a community irc channel
04:51<Cromulent>I don't use nginx anymore
04:51<Zimsky>Cromulent: leave
04:51<Cromulent>and have forgotten just about everything to do with it
04:51<Zimsky>and never come back
04:51<dragon_123>but you know how to server static files from nginx
04:52<millisa>of course, giving some info about the config and what you see in the log files might actually give someone a chance of guessing what's wrong...
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04:53<dragon_123>upstream project {
04:53<dragon_123> ip_hash;
04:53<dragon_123> server;
04:53<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
04:53<dragon_123>ok sorry
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04:56<millisa>that looks like you are passing everything to your proxy
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04:57<dragon_123>i tried using the /public path for the static files but it didn't work.
04:58<millisa>so make a separate location section for your static content that shouldn't go through the proxy. (this stackoverflow usually helps me when i can't remember which location has precedence:
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05:02<dragon_123>i tried using this but the path was using the path from my html
05:04<millisa>I'm not sure I understand 'the path was using the path from my html'?
05:05<dragon_123>the path in the request was from the path i specified in the handlebars template
05:06<dragon_123>like IP_ADDRESS/javascript/file.js
05:06<dragon_123>the ip adress showing in the dev console is of the nginx server
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05:11<millisa>when you have the location ~* \.(ext)$ { section with the alias in, what does your nginx log say when you just request one of the static files (like a jpg) with the browser?
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05:31<Zimsky>one ring to rule them alle
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06:52<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • /dev/root size keeps going up <>
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07:05<JamesTK>How old is Xen 4.2?
07:08<Celti>September 2012.
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07:23<Zimsky>hey everyone, JamesTK wants to say something
07:23<Zimsky>peng: ^
07:23<Zimsky>Eugene: ^
07:23<JamesTK>Zimsky works for AWS
07:23<JamesTK>don't trust him
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11:17<thang>can you help me
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11:18<Chyn>is there some problem with singapore
11:18<dinhthang>can you help me technical
11:18<Chyn>I am accessing it from Malaysia
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11:20<dinhthang> A few days ago, I registered a linode account, but yesterday my account was locked, why so happened, looking forward to help
11:21<dinhthang>some body help me ?
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11:53<new>is there a way to replicate a linode to another brand new one?
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11:54<DanielNM>new: Clone a Linode:
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13:39<amohost>i have a couple questions id appreciate help on
13:39<@mcintosh>hello! ask away
13:39<amohost>can i order cloud linux as an os when i get a linode?
13:40<dwfreed>you'd have to purchase cloudlinux from somewhere else
13:40<amohost>or do i have to purchasey ? it separatel
13:40<amohost>oh ok
13:40<amohost>and another question...if i wanted to install lightspeed on my server, which lightspeed license would i need?
13:40<amohost>would a vps license be okay or would i need a dedicated server license?
13:42<dwfreed>well, Linode is a VPS, but since 'lightspeed' is an incredibly overloaded term, I'm not sure I can find the right page in order to be able to give a proper recommendation
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13:43<@mcintosh>amohost: it depends on how many cores of your Linode you want litespeed to be able to utilize, I believe
13:43<@mcintosh>i.e. if you're okay with litespeed only using a single core, then the cheapest VPS license would be fine
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13:43<@mcintosh>but if you need more power, you'd need a different license
13:44<amohost>got it
13:44<amohost>appreciate it
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14:14<Takyoji>So: JUST spun up an instance in Fremont, and I have an automatically assigned IPv6 address, but zero IPv6 connectivity to anything
14:15<Takyoji>thus can't even install/update packages, without stupidly disabling IPv6
14:15<Takyoji>Suggestions? Just disable temporarily, run updates, and fixed, or is there a known problem and resolution?
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14:15<Peng>What do "ip -6 a" and
14:16<Peng>What do "ip -6 a" and "ip -6 r" show?
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14:17<Takyoji>Any preferred pastebin?
14:18<Peng>I don't think so. I'd use
14:18<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
14:18<FluffyFoxeh>(really though I don't think anyone cares)
14:18<FluffyFoxeh>(which pastebin you use that is)
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14:26<Takyoji>I'll just restart for self-amusement
14:29<Takyoji>No change. iptables is all ACCEPT. IPv6 address assigned matches what's in the Manager.
14:29<Takyoji>Only thing out-of-the-ordinary is that I deployed this with the new "" manager.
14:29<Takyoji>(if this is a bug in any way)
14:34<Peng>Looks valid enough to me. O_o
14:34<Peng>Usually there's something obviously wrong!
14:34<Peng>Are you sure nothing works? Ubuntu's stuff could be down.
14:35<Takyoji>and that's the surprising thing: this is COMPLETELY fresh. I just deployed, SSHed in, and first thing I tried was installing something, which stuck on with has a AAAA record, and it couldn't connect to the IPv6-enabled host. I've unsuccessfully pinged my other IPv6-enable server, I've unsuccessfully pinged
14:35<Takyoji>For any ICMPv6 I've gotten zero response
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14:49<@mcintosh>Takyoji: I'm not seeing similar behavior from a new Ubuntu box in Fremont deployed via (
14:49<@mcintosh>can you open a ticket?
14:49<@mcintosh>we may be able to help get to the bottom of things
14:50<Takyoji>Alrighty, I shall open a ticket shortly
14:51<@mcintosh>great! thanks :)
14:53<Takyoji>The "Support" link seems a little tucked away, for it to be under the menu of the user's username
14:57<@mcintosh>Takyoji: we have plans to move that link - feel free to forward any and all feedback to (if you haven't already!)
14:57<Takyoji>shall do
15:02<MajObviousman>Peng: did somebody call for an obvious assessment?
15:03<MajObviousman>Takyoji: is your ip6tables all accept? Have you blocked icmpv6 by chance?
15:04<Takyoji>All chains are "ACCEPT"
15:04<MajObviousman>and you've got no filter rules or anything, yes?
15:04<Takyoji>This is a fresh deployment, I've made no modification. Ubuntu 16.04
15:04<MajObviousman>I know, obvious things, but that's what I do
15:04<Peng>ICMPv6 seems to be /partly/ working, since it looks like it's using autoconfiguration, and the address and route are up.
15:05<MajObviousman>valid point, so icmpv6 is definitely coming through
15:05<Takyoji>unless if it's just specifically facilitated by the hypervisor or something
15:07<Peng>/Some/ of it is definitely coming through. Could still be some sort of weird rules.
15:10<Takyoji>Well, you can have the situation where you receive the RA, and assume your address from that, without the ability for anyone to hear you. I've troubleshooted an interesting scenario where there was zero IPv4, but there was SLAAC IPv6, but the NIC itself legitimately could not transmit
15:12<@mcintosh>is a thing? that shows as no DNS for me
15:13<@mcintosh>what happens if you ping6 ?
15:13<linbot>Peng: 2a00:1450:4010:c0b::8b
15:13<@mcintosh>ah i fat fingered my command
15:14<Takyoji>Completely no response at all
15:14<Takyoji>alright, NOW I'm just randomly starting to get responses, after the 33rd packet
15:15<csnxs>mcintosh, try not to finger commands, they don't like it
15:16<Takyoji>Presumably someone's responded to the ticket request
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15:29<Takyoji>Well, nonetheless, it does seem to be functioning now. Not sure if it was an issue specific to deploying a very new VPS, or if it was just some network issue at the datacenter
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15:34<MajObviousman>Takyoji: if it makes you feel any better, I've had similar issues
15:35<MajObviousman>with similarly puzzling "it fixed itself all of a sudden"
15:35<MajObviousman>neither did I have enough data to nail down what might have happened
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16:20<Eugene>Its not nice to talk about obese fingers - its a real problem and offensive to many. Instead, refer to your "funny fingers" - clowns don't have feelings
16:23<zifnab>if the earth is flat, why haven't cats pushed everything off yet
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16:24<Eugene>Because the oceans are in the way, duh
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16:24<dzho>because they'd get wet, and cats don't like to get wet.
16:25<dzho>They'd get the tigers to do it, since tigers seem not to mind water so much, but, well, tigers also like to have humans around to snack on occasionally.
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16:33<Celti>fucking dovecot
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16:34<Celti>new version decided to treat '!SSLv2' in the protocols array as a hard fail
16:34<Celti>I've lost a day and a half of emails
16:35<Celti>Well, hopefully postfix hung onto them while waiting for lmtp
16:36<zifnab>this is why i pay fastmail
16:37<Celti>I'm sorely tempted to migrate my mail to a hosted solution
16:37<Celti>but I also don't like giving up control
16:38<MajObviousman>don't give up control
16:38<Celti>!point relidy
16:38<linbot>Celti: Point given to relidy. (6)
16:39<MajObviousman>be like Rick. Rick's never gonna give [his mta] up
16:41<dwfreed>my primary email account is from the university I attended; they used to contract it out to their ISP, then they brought it in-house, and then they give the job to Google
16:42<Celti>I'm very irritated with dovecot for this one. Is it really so hard to treat '!SSLv2' as a no-op when stripping out SSL2 support?
16:42<Celti>Principle of least surprise should apply here
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16:54<@jfred>Celti: been a while since I've fiddled with my mail server so I don't recall all the details... does your postfix instance not support anything newer than SSLv2?
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16:57<Celti>Postfix speaks TLSv1.2 just fine
16:57<Celti>the problem was dovecot saw '!SSLv2' and pitched a fit, refusing to talk to anything
16:58<@jfred>oh, that's weird
16:58<MajObviousman>YOU'RE WEIRD
16:58<MajObviousman>sorry, tyop
16:59<Celti>I rather thought it weird, yes.
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17:00<Celti>My big issue is it *started* just fine and only pitched a fit when something tried to connect using any SSL/TLS version
17:00<Celti>so I didn't notice the failure until I went "Huh, why haven't I gotten my daily update emails?"
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17:01*Celti frowns
17:01<Celti>Nothing in the changelog about changed TLS handling
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19:18<hannibalking>Hi there
19:18<hannibalking>how do I change my root password?
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19:19<FluffyFoxeh>Log in as root and type "passwd"
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19:19<hannibalking>here comes the slight issue - I have actually never really used linode before
19:19<hannibalking>or shell for that matter
19:20<hannibalking>I wish to find out how I can prevent someones access to my linode server and files
19:20<hannibalking>I know I can remove the guest user privileges but I am not sure what else to change
19:20<hannibalking>I think root pass, ftp but cant think of any nor how to do these really
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19:21<hannibalking>there is also the mysql pass I believe
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19:24<FluffyFoxeh>I think there's some docs on the basics
19:24<FluffyFoxeh>let me find them
19:24<hannibalking>I will go through them in detail - many thanks
19:25<Eliz>really, mostly just readings these
19:25<dwfreed> has a bunch of guides on getting started, finding your way around, etc
19:25<linbot>Eliz: Install Odoo 10 on Ubuntu 16.04 <> || Install a Custom Distribution on a Linode <> || Build Database Clusters with MongoDB <> || Create a (6 more messages)
19:25<Eliz>lol could've sworn that was a link
19:25<dwfreed>Eliz: docs is the rss feed
19:25<hannibalking>can you think of anything else that one might have which they can use to access and/or damage my websites and/or files?
19:25<Eliz>dwfreed: yeah, I noticed that now :p
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19:25<Eliz>hannibalking: are you, by chance, using wordpress?
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19:25<hannibalking>many thanks for the URLs
19:25<hannibalking>on one of the sites
19:26<hannibalking>but we have quite a few
19:26<hannibalking>I know how to change WP details and what not
19:26<Eliz>then, if I had to guess at all, that'll be your downfall :p
19:26<FluffyFoxeh>try these
19:26<hannibalking>but Linode is different than other sites like 123-reg, godaddy or
19:26<hannibalking>normally, ftp/sftp, mysql and cpanel passwords are enough
19:26<Eliz>linode being different doesn't magically make wordpress and friends more secure
19:26<hannibalking>No, I am aware of that
19:27<hannibalking>unfortunately, this is not a planned incident
19:27<FluffyFoxeh>I've never used "full-service" web hosting like godaddy but I'll venture a guess that wordpress on those is just as hackable as anything else
19:27<hannibalking>there is a potential ex employee against whom we have to take certain protective measures to be safe
19:27<hannibalking>I dont think I have made my situation clear
19:28<hannibalking>the chap who has been managing our linode account might become a liability
19:28<hannibalking>to be on the safe hand side, I need to remove his access 100%
19:28<hannibalking>there is more than 1 website
19:28<hannibalking>only 1 is wordpress
19:28<dwfreed>you should probably hire somebody who knows what they're doing, then
19:28<hannibalking>rest include plain html/css and php websites
19:28<hannibalking>And you are abslutely right
19:28<hannibalking>but I am not able to find anyone at this time
19:29<hannibalking>that is why I am trying it myself
19:29<FluffyFoxeh>to be clear, the linode account is separate from the websites (or whatever else) you host on the servers themselves
19:29<dzho>you should really just contact linode directly, not in here, because your potentially malevolent former employer could not just be reading, but *replying* to this conversation.
19:29<dzho>not that I don't recognize the nicks participating, but ...
19:29<dwfreed>dzho: I mean, there's not really anything Linode can do, unless they contract with professional services
19:30<dzho>well then that might be what they need to do for a month or so at least.
19:30<FluffyFoxeh>well if he wants to secure his *linode account* they can tell him to change the passwords and emails and such
19:30<@mquatrani>hannibalking: if you want us to take a look, please just fill out the scoping form here: and we will be in touch
19:30<hannibalking>let me ask this, as far as the linode platform is concerned, apart form removing one's guest use privileges, is there anything else that can be done?
19:30<FluffyFoxeh>(do that, by the way. if someone malicious has access to your linode account you should fix that ASAP)
19:30<dzho>and facilitate that after verifying
19:31<Eliz>things i can think of theyd do: easy php shells
19:31<Eliz>i mean, i think youre better off hiring someone here
19:32<FluffyFoxeh>hannibalking: as far as is concerned, make sure only trusted parties have access to any password or email associated with the account.
19:32<hannibalking>the chap in question was trusted - until very recently
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19:32<hannibalking>It has been quite stressful, I will get a professional company to take a look on Monday first thing
19:32<hannibalking>Many thanks to all for your comments
19:33<FluffyFoxeh>at any given moment only trusted individuals should have access
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19:40<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: so you consider linode employees to be trusted individuals?
19:41<FluffyFoxeh>I should hope so since they have my credit card info and my data on their hardware
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19:48<glickity>wow, i installed ossec and im already getting email alerts about wierd stuff going on with attempts to login to my ssh server from different IPs are asshats really already trying to takeover my server?
19:48<glickity>i JUST set it up
19:48<glickity>couple days ago
19:48<glickity>like a week ago
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19:50<Peng>Ass hats try to brute force SSH on every IPv4 address.
19:50<Peng>Unless your root password is "123", it's generally harmless.
19:50<Cromulent>glickity: there are always automated attempts to brute force SSH - if you want to cut down on spam change the SSH port to a non-standard one
19:50<glickity>yeah i think ill do that
19:50<glickity>what douchbag hats
19:51*Celti just disables password authentication and calls it a day.
19:52<glickity>i disabled passwords too
19:52<glickity>but ossec still lets me know
19:53<Celti>Well, I take that back, I got a little manic one night and stripped out all the less-secure ciphers and kex methods and such
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20:08<glickity>maybe put ssh on port 2222
20:09<millisa>security via obscurity?
20:09<glickity>no because asshats use automated shit to attack random ip addresses
20:10<Peng>The automated ones that don't port scan are fairly harmless, though.
20:11<glickity>yeah but they cause ossec to mail me
20:11*Peng nods
20:11<Peng>Solution: don't read your email!
20:12<arlen>or disable the ssh alerts
20:17<dwfreed>all ossec does is train you to ignore your email
20:17<glickity>so if i change the ssh port how do i ssh into it? ssh
20:17<millisa>ssh -p 2222
20:18<glickity>i see
20:18<glickity>cool thanks
20:18<Zimsky>millisa: I see what you did there
20:19<millisa>and because it just makes sense . . scp -P 2222 you@there...
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20:23<Zimsky>millisa: hey man you see that guy over there?
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20:29<Zimsky>millisa: I have an ascii art version of that, which I'd normally send, but someone would yell at me here
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20:50<kronos003>is the safety of webmin and related products(virtualmin, cloudmin) still a concern?
20:51<kronos003>a while back someone was saying that webmin code was exploit heaven
20:51<dwfreed>all code has vulnerabilities
20:51<dwfreed>the question is how much risk you're willing to take
20:52<dwfreed>keep in mind that an admin panel obviously has full root access to your server
20:52<kronos003>I generally don't open those ports - so a user would first need to compromise an ssh user firts
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20:54<Cromulent>you can get a server to execute code without having SSH access and if the user running that code is root - well then RIP server
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20:54<kronos003>I'm working on a new deployment and am looking out there to see what is new and more solid than the old ways of doing things. docker seems like it might be useful for isolating one site from another on the same server
20:55<kronos003>Cromulent: is this unique to webmin?
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20:56<dwfreed>but say somebody compromises a random publicly accessible webapp hosted on your linode; they could then move from there to compromising your admin panel, all without needing ssh
20:56<kronos003>how nice
20:57<kronos003>in the past I've used fail2ban with some fairly restricive rles to mitigate this - so far its been working
20:57<Cromulent>fail2ban hardly fixes anything - it certainly does nothing to fix buffer overflows or other common exploits
20:58<Cromulent>or read after free
20:58<Zimsky>don't have it connected to a network at all
20:59<Zimsky>all network-originating exploits fixed
20:59<kronos003>Cromulent: if the attacker is using an automated atack, they generally use multiple attempts before they find something that breaks your server. If they get banned for a really long time on first attempt, they might not be able to crack you( presuming their first try wasnt a winner)
20:59<Zimsky>I call it the unpatching patch
20:59<Cromulent>fail2ban is a waste of time - if your passwords are so weak that they can be brute forced then the common sense solution is to use stronger passwords not install fail2ban
21:00<kronos003>Cromulent: I started using it after I found a btmp that was nearly 1gb in size
21:00<kronos003>hasn't happenned again
21:00<Zimsky>use fail2ban anyway, but also disable stuff like password auth, root login, and use pubkey auth and keys with bitlengths 4096 or higher
21:01<Zimsky>for ssh at least
21:01<Zimsky>non-default port helps against automated attempts too
21:01<kronos003>i agree
21:01<arlen>security - making sure you dont have 1gb log files
21:01<kronos003>arlen: that was years ago
21:02<kronos003>no body is a born expert - I still learn new stuff everyday
21:03<kronos003>besides, if there were "born experts" they'd all be running windows and on the phone with microsoft every day
21:03<kronos003>didn't you know? windows users know EVERYTHING
21:04<arlen>i think they're attempting to be funny
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21:07<kronos003>yeah I could have set that up better - still made my point I think
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21:19<Zimsky>kronos003: someone using windows as a server without a specific purpose when they could otherwise be using linux might be considered antonymous with "export"
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21:36<kronos003>hey HoopyCat long time no see!
21:38<HoopyCat>hi! yah, been a weird time
21:39<arlen>welcome back
21:46<HoopyCat>my new job has a public irc channel, so i figure i'd fire up irssi again... figured i'd say whassup cuz i'm waiting for my nails to dry
21:48<Zimsky>why are your nails wet
21:49<HoopyCat>cuz i painted them
21:49<arlen>careful not to chip
21:49<Zimsky>i like chips
21:53<HoopyCat>because they needed repainted and i wanted to match my new dress
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23:12<europe>Hi, can I run a masternode from europe with you?
23:12<europe>does it work with linode
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23:12<millisa>anything that works with linux should work.
23:12<millisa>pretty much anything that's legal is allowed
23:14<europe>Im a total noob, but I dont have to us elinux right :)
23:14<millisa>linodes are mostly linux...
23:14<millisa>there are folks that have gotten bsd running, but it wouldn't be supported
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