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00:04<kalel808>hey guys
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00:14<Eugene>Everay day I'm Linodin' https://photos.app.goo.gl/YVRfamt5s0R2j7Ck1
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01:01<FluffyFoxeh>Eugene: noice
01:02<dcraig>I love a thick beard
01:05<arlen>me to
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01:28<Eliz>Eugene: I liked those tshirts more than the blue ones they do nowadays
01:30<FluffyFoxeh>yeah I was thinking that's a nice colour
01:30<FluffyFoxeh>Mine's blue and bigger logo
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01:33<arlen>they should make some hats
01:33<arlen>and beanies
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01:40<srv>hi
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01:41<arlen>hi
01:41<srv>I am not able to lopgin?
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01:41<arlen>to your linode or the manager?
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01:42<srv>linode login
01:42<srv>normal account login
01:42<arlen>try resetting your password?
01:43<arlen>if that doesn't work then email support or call
01:43<arlen>!contact
01:43<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
01:46<srv>anyhow i am able to generate a tickect
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03:09<Zimsky>wat
03:22<arlen>taw
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03:49<scotti>WUT
03:49<Zimsky>no
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04:07<Nick>hey ! I had a quick question... am using a 2048 plan. How many concurrent connections can it handle ?
04:08<kyhwana>Nick: as many as your software can handle with the resources available to the 2048 plan
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04:09<scotti>Nick: bajillions
04:09<scotti>are you serving up static content or running a DB or what?
04:11<Nick>db
04:11<Nick>php-codeignitor
04:12<Nick>thanks for the reply kyhwana and scotti
04:13<Nick>its a php codeignitor ERP using mysql
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04:42<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Real Memory 42% vs Virtual @ 99% <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15006&p=74084#p74084>
04:45<Zimsky>what constitutes a connection?
05:02<scotti>Zimsky: TLS handshake
05:02<Zimsky>yeah, no
05:03<scotti>that's contradictory Zimsky
05:04<Zimsky>no it isn't
05:04<scotti>are you suggesting that TLS (and encryption generally) is really a "soft" requirement that can be avoided if desired
05:04<Zimsky>yes
05:04<scotti>e.g., banks shouldn't be using TLS ?
05:04<Zimsky>yes
05:04<Zimsky>they shouldn't
05:04<Zimsky>TLS is a virus
05:04<scotti>Zimsky: I accuse you of trolling
05:04<Zimsky>cows are made of lettuce
05:04<Zimsky>scotti: I accuse you of being scotti
05:04<Zimsky>that's a pretty serious crime
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05:48<xyz>can i buy disk space?
05:48<xyz>i want to buy only disk space.
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05:52<Zimsky>why
05:52<Zimsky>why is the universe
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05:55<shentino>Bite my shiny metal ass
06:02<Zimsky>eviscerate yourself
06:09<Louis6321>Hi all. Following this guide https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/use-the-graphic-shell-glish -- keyboard inputs aren't working in glish when I do anything in xfce4 (works fine in the console). Any thoughts on how to fix?
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06:09<Louis6321>mouse movement and clicking is fine
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06:10<grawity>Louis6321: out of curiosity, if you run `DISPLAY=:0 xinput list` via ssh, does it show a keyboard device? (besides the xtest one)
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06:11<Louis6321>grawity, -bash: xinput: command not found
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06:43<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Real Memory 42% vs Virtual @ 99% <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15006&p=74085#p74085>
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06:48<joony66>hi
06:48<Louis6321>hi
06:48<joony66>Im new here, can you help a quick brief on this project
06:49<Cromulent>!ask
06:49<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
06:49<joony66>thanks
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07:39<vince>hey guys
07:39<vince>anyone online?
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08:43<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=74086#p74086>
08:53<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=74087#p74087>
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09:07<Cromulent>hmm trying to decide whether to use a brand new Linode for a new business project - given that you can now get a Linode for $5 a month I might as well start with that and upgrade as needed
09:08<Cromulent>would keep things seperate from my personal websites which are just for fun
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09:11<Knight21>Is there a way of disabling all SSH access on linode for all users? As in to prevent users who have already set this up previously
09:12<Cromulent>block the SSH port in your firewall
09:12<Cromulent>not sure how to actually disable it though
09:12<@caker>don't give them accounts?
09:13<Knight21>Perhaps I used the wrong terminology - ideally I would still like the ability to connect via SFTP. However, I do not want there to be any SSH access whatsoever from any of the users
09:13<Knight21>would blocking the ssh port in the firewall prevent all ssh access?
09:14<@caker>https://serverfault.com/questions/354615/allow-sftp-but-disallow-ssh
09:14<Cromulent>you could also disabled all password access and just don't give the users an authorized_keys file
09:15<Cromulent>no authorized_keys = no SSH / SFTP
09:16<Knight21>Great. Thanks! How effective would that be for existing users with access though?
09:16<Zimsky>most effective
09:17<Cromulent>Knight21: if the users already have an authorized_keys files just su to root and delete it and that will remove their access instantly that way you can choose which users have access and which users don't
09:19<Knight21>Thanks!
09:23<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • new Linode Manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15001&p=74088#p74088>
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09:41<kronos003>caker: what do you guys use to prevent bruteforce abuse of lish?
09:42<UKn0Me>furiously poke the attacking party
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09:43<dwfreed>kronos003: I don't believe they use anything
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09:44<dwfreed>you can change a setting in the linode manager to only allow lish with keys
09:44<dwfreed>but if somebody manages to guess your linode manager password, either by brute force or otherwise, you're screwed anyway
09:44<kronos003>I might do that
09:45<dwfreed>(so make sure you have 2fa enabled)
09:45<kronos003>I'm thinking about lish as a whole rather than a specific user account
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09:45<dwfreed>it's not really worth caring about
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09:47<kronos003>I get something like 1500-3000 unique scans a month and I'm just a tiny fry
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09:48<kronos003>unique as in unique IPs
09:48<kronos003>I can only imagine what might be tried against linode
09:50<dwfreed>all of the scans are completely automated, not targeted, so Linode sees about the same
09:51<kronos003>I've been brushing up on my server hardening skills. are icmp amplification attacks still a thing?or has the internet more or less fixed all that?
09:51<dwfreed>(there might be a few targeted ones, but they're nothing compared to the automated ones, which are still nothing themselves)
09:51<dwfreed>"icmp amplification attacks" ?
09:52<kronos003>aka smurf attacks
09:52<dwfreed>that's not an amplification attack
09:52<kronos003>fair enough
09:52<kronos003>there are 2 variants I've been reading about
09:52<dwfreed>in order to flood a target with 10 Gbit/s of traffic, you need 10 Gbit/s of spoofed-send capability
09:52<dwfreed>with ICMP
09:53<kronos003>ICMP makes use of broadcast addrs on an unprotected network, and dns which spoofs the victim's address
09:53<dwfreed>ah, I see, target the broadcast address
09:54<dwfreed>everybody's mitigated that at this point, to where the people who haven't aren't easy to find
09:54<kronos003>I suspected
09:54<kronos003>I think that was one reason folks were saying you should block icmp
09:54<@caker>kronos003: the usual - rate limiting, etc. People either use secure/complex creds or they don't - can't really save people from themselves. Also, you can set Lish to be keys only, fwiw
09:55<kronos003>caker: cool
09:55<dwfreed>caker: I mentioned the keys only bit already :P
09:55<@caker>dwfreed++
09:55<dwfreed>caker: !point dwfreed :)
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09:55*dwfreed pets linbot
09:55<@caker>!point dwfreed 9000000
09:55<linbot>caker: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
09:55<dwfreed>blame mcintosh
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09:56<kronos003>speaking of ICMP - how much of ICMP should I allow at my linode?( like which messages? does it even matter anymore?)
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10:11<Zimsky>not really
10:12<dwfreed>kronos003: there's no point in filtering it at all
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10:15<Cromulent>hmm half way through the month and nearly exactly 50% used transfer - I didn't know I used that much
10:17<Zimsky>now you do
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11:32<kronos003>is there a way to see my monthly data usage for the last 12 months?
11:32<kronos003>like all in one place
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11:52<Cromulent>at some point I should optimise my MySQL install but have no idea how to do it
11:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=74090#p74090>
11:56<millisa>This script is ok: https://launchpad.net/mysql-tuning-primer
11:57<millisa>the suggestions are better after your system's been up with the service running for a few days of normal usage.
11:57<millisa>newer phpmyadmins have something similar baked in
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12:42<kronos003>i've used that for my own site and can vouch for it
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12:43<kronos003>also check out mysqltuner.pl
12:43<kronos003>http://mysqltuner.pl
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13:37<Eugene>kronos003 - the flavors have never /really/ mattered, but here are CERT's recommendations: https://www.cert.org/downloads/IPv6/ip6tables_rules.txt
13:39<Eugene>ICMP matters a lot more in IPv6-land than v4; generally its ok to allow everything ICMP/6. And you're a bad person if you don't respond to echo-requests
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13:48<dwfreed>you break PMTUd if you don't respond to echo requests
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14:02<grawity>huh? PMTUd has nothing to do with icmp echo
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14:06<dwfreed>grawity: istr Linux uses icmp echo to probe paths, but i'm probably remembering wrong
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14:50<Knight21>would "userdel <name>" prevent a previously authorised user's access to our linode?
14:50<Woet>if he didnt have sudo access, probably
14:51<Knight21>I have already changed the root password
14:51<Woet>if he had root access he could have easily installed a backdoor
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14:52<scotti>^^^
14:52<scotti>Knight21: did this user leave on bad terms
14:52<scotti>you have to consider the human element here
14:52<scotti>would he want to wreak havoc on your system?
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14:53<scotti>the best security in this case is a cold wipe/re-install
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14:53<Knight21>That is the issue. it is supposed to be a counter-measure for that possible "just incase" scenario.
14:53<Knight21>Yes, I though tof reinstall
14:53<Knight21>thought of*
14:54<Knight21>There are a few small live websites running and I am not sure how bad the damages would be
14:54<Knight21>after/during the reinstall that is*
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14:56<Knight21>would "userdel <name>" prevent a users existing ssh access?
14:56<Knight21>and/or could it possibly have any effects on any one of the websites currently running on linode?
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14:57<Woet>no (if they had root access) and yes
14:57<Woet>you should probably not be in charge of server security
14:57<Knight21>Thanks for the comments
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15:18<Teknic>Hello all. Please help me with e-mail. I have a domain pointing to a linode vps. I'm using Google-hosted e-mail, and have added the MX entries to the domain via the Linode DNS management tool. It has been 7 hours, and still domain validation has not completed. Where can I check whether my DNS changes are good?
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15:33<ttaylor>Teknic: whats the domain you added the MX record to?
15:33<scotti>Teknic: what domain
15:34<scotti>you can run `dig @8.8.8.8 MX yourdomain.com` to check
15:34<scotti>and `dig NS yourdomain.com` to check if the authoritative nameservers are correct
15:36<ttaylor>or dig specificially the resource rocored to each for linode's auth name servers to verify it is servering the records you added.
15:37<ttaylor>s/rocored/record/
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15:44<grawity>dwfreed: afaik no, pmtud relies on icmp 'packet too big' replies to regular tcp/udp packets
15:44<dwfreed>yeah, that was my reading of wikipedia too
15:45<dwfreed>which is why I said "probably wrong"
15:45<dwfreed>anyway, not responding to echo request is dumb
15:45<Teknic>When I run a dig on the domain with did mx domain.com, I see the MX records. However, Goole has still not validated the dmain.
15:45<Teknic>*domain
15:45<dwfreed>you've yet to tell us the domain
15:48<Teknic>Sorry...lestech.space
15:48<Peng>!dns6 lestech.space mx
15:48<Peng>!dns6 lestech.space ns
15:48<linbot>Peng: 5 ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM., 10 ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM., 1 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM., 5 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM., 10 ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM.
15:48<linbot>Peng: ns3.linode.com., ns5.linode.com., ns1.linode.com., ns4.linode.com., ns2.linode.com.
15:48<Peng>Are you supposed to add a magic txt record or something?
15:49<Teknic>I added that already for validation. I actually added an html file o my site root.
15:49<Teknic>Google is still saying: "MX records validation is in progress. Changes can propagate within 2 hours, but may take up to 72 hours."
15:50<ttaylor>I suspect you are missing a TXT record, as Peng mentioned.
15:51<Peng>IIRC, i've seen Google take excessively long to validate a domain.
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15:51<Peng>Maybe this is the ONE TIME Google Public DNS has a good cache hit rate.
15:52<Peng>Seriously, though, it took ages for Google to validate one of my things. Maybe a TXT record for DKIM?
15:52<Teknic>I had an option of either a TXT record, or uploading an html file to validate. Validation of domain ownership was completed.
15:52<ttaylor>k, missed that part.
15:52<Teknic>DKIM can still be done after the fact.
15:53<Peng>Right, i wasn't suggesting that you need to do anything about DKIM. (Though maybe you should.)
15:54<Teknic>Ok
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15:54<Teknic>Am suspecting the high hit rate possibility too, Peng.
15:56<Peng>You may just have to wait for Google to do their thing. :/
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20:16<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Nodebalancer - Session Stickiness - Manipulate table or target? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15002&p=74091#p74091>
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20:24<@mcintosh>whoops
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20:28<@mcintosh>!boo mcintosh
20:28<linbot>mcintosh: Point taken from mcintosh! (10)
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20:29<@mcintosh><3
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20:32<@bhanks>xoxo <3 mcintosh + bhanks 5ever
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22:32<mic>hello
22:32<mic>any one can help me?
22:33<Peng>Hi
22:33<mic>hi
22:34<mic>we cannot pay with paypal?
22:34<Peng>!billing
22:34<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments
22:36<mic>but i cannot setup account with paypal
22:36<mic>we must use credit card to setup?
22:36<Peng>You can use a PayPal-related credit card.
22:37<mic>你会中文的吧
22:37<mic>用paypal的不安全啊
22:38<mic>信用卡信息都添加上去了,岂不是很吓人
22:42<mic>unsafe
22:43<dcraig>t r o u t t i c k l e
22:43<arlen>d c r a i g
22:44*dcraig tickles arlen around a bit with a large bitterling
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22:46<arlen>ooh
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22:48<arlen>dcraig: whatup
22:49<dcraig>laundry
22:50<arlen>fun
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23:32<Zen>Is private IPv4 free for using?
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23:33<Peng>Yes.
23:34<Zen>Thanks :)
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23:34<Peng>¡point Peng
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23:35<Yoky>Hi
23:36<Yoky>I would like to pay Linode 8GB (USD 40.00/ month),however,I found there is "Preload Amount fee, $5/ $20/ $50" ,what's this? Why I have to pay this fee?
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23:36<Peng>It proves that your credit card works.
23:37<Peng>The money goes to your $40/month bill. It's not wasted.
23:37<Yoky>Sorry, I don't understand
23:37<FluffyFoxeh>huh. Do you always have to give advance payment when you sign up? I don't think I did
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23:38<Peng>FluffyFoxeh: It's new-ish. Maybe 2-5 years old?
23:39<Peng>Yoky: I'm not sure how else to explain.
23:39<FluffyFoxeh>Yoky: He means that the fee will go into your Linode account balance and will go towards your bill at the end of the month
23:39<Yoky>: (
23:39<Peng>Yoky: For example, you could pay $5 now, and $35 later, for your $40 bill.
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23:39<Peng>It's not bad.
23:39<Yoky>Thank you !
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23:46<Peng>That went well. I think.
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