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---Logopened Mon Jul 17 00:00:14 2017
00:06<mic>it is not good
00:06<mic>vultr is good
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00:06<Peng>:|
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00:08<arlen>!point Peng
00:08<linbot>arlen: Point given to peng. (17)
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00:54<juniordev>Hi! Does Linode Cloud allow installing wordpress?
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00:56<nate>juniordev: Linode like most straight VPS's is a root virtual server. You install whatever you want on it within any limits of the hardware and of course within the acceptable terms of linode's policies
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00:59<juniordev>Thank you. I am currently watching a youtube video about getting started with linode. Will be purchasing soon. Thanks!
01:01<juniordev>Hi! Sorry another question. Do I need to pay for the image of CentOS?
01:01<kyhwana>juniordev: no
01:02<juniordev>Thank you!
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01:35<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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01:41<MajObviousman>that seems unrealistic
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01:42*MajObviousman is at the most nerve-wracking part of prod-patching: rebooting the non-virtual servers
01:43<MajObviousman>I try to recall what this was like before IaaS, and it's unsettling
01:43<MajObviousman>reboot a box, pray it comes back up, drive to the DC to fix that one f*cking box that never starts up right and the DRAC doesn't work
01:44*MajObviousman does not miss those days
01:44<Ikaros>Hahaha yeah
01:44<MajObviousman>\o/ it's back on the air again
01:44<Ikaros>Though I never had to drive there with my box.
01:52<Celti>Only times I ever had an issue with the DRAC not working I was able to fix it by remotely power-cycling the box
01:53<Celti>...discounting the endless troubles of dealing with DRAC4s and the ancient shitty version of Java they relied on
01:56<Ikaros>Yeah pretty much same thing I had to do if the DRAC was being a <bleep>
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02:53<arlen>rude
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02:57<MajObviousman>YOUR FACE IS RUDE
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03:09<arlen>!urmom
03:09<linbot>Yo mommas so stupid, she cant think of a joke to add to the database! (6:0/0) [mroum]
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03:18<MajObviousman>!urmom add
03:18<linbot>Yo mommas so weird, she walked past a furry convention and they eyed HER suspiciously! (11:0/0) [rmomu]
03:18<MajObviousman>hmm
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03:39<Cromulent>some of the new TLDs are crazy expensive - I looked into getting a .game domain name and it cost £300 a year!
03:41<arlen>>.<
03:43<Peng>.games domains are way cheaper
03:43<Cromulent>yeah I could go with that I guess
03:44<Cromulent>I was planning on just sticking to using the .com for my domain since that is what I've always done
03:44<Cromulent>and getting a vanity one just to make it easier to remember and then just have it redirect to the .com domain
03:44<Peng>http://domainincite.com/21603-schilling-big-price-increases-needed-to-keep-new-gtlds-alive
03:45<Peng>(.game is a Uniregistry TLD, but i guess it was already expensive.)
03:49<Cromulent>Peng: interesting article
03:50<Peng>(After that article was published, Uniregistry made it so renewing pre-existing domains wouldn't be ungodly expensive.)
03:51<nate>Cromulent: They're trying to compensate for how much they had to pay to create that new .tld
03:52<Cromulent>nate: understood and I appreciate that businesses need to make money but it did surprise me somewhat - I'm trying to start a business myself so I don't begrudge them trying to make a profit I just can't justify the expense with so many other expenses involved in starting a business
03:53<nate>Cromulent: I know, but if they sold them at the same price as 'common' TLD's, it'd probably take them way longer than they want to reap actual profits
03:53<Cromulent>true
03:54<nate>looks like the price of them still sits at 180k simply to register for a new TLD
03:56<nate>and apparently a quarterly $6250 fee
04:00<Woet>or just dont use the silly TLDs
04:01<Woet>i'm curious what % of people will not understand it
04:01<Woet>and go for yourcompanygame.com
04:01<Woet>or yourcompany.game.com
04:02<Peng>Too many
04:02<Cromulent>I already own the .com .co.uk .org .net .org.uk and .uk TLDs for my domain name but was considering one of the vanity ones
04:02<Woet>i also consider that excessive
04:04<Cromulent>I might let some of them expire but since it was only $60 for a year for all of them I'll keep them for now
04:05<Cromulent>the UK domain names could be useful for me
04:06<Cromulent>the other option is to register a trade mark in the UK and stop people from using them for that reason
04:06<Cromulent>which is expensive and I have no idea how to do it
04:07<arlen>I have so many variations of arlen.io ><
04:07<arlen>think it's $500 a year in registration costs :(
04:07<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • new Linode Manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15001&p=74092#p74092>
04:12<Zimsky>most of the new gtlds are stupid
04:13<Zimsky>especially the company-specific gtlds which have no business being in the root zone
04:13<Zimsky>fuck off and use your existing domain, it's not that hard
04:14<Peng>I dunno, "s3.aws" would be more convenient than "s3.amazonaws.com". Not that it's practical to switch.
04:15<Zimsky>oh no, s3.aws.net is SO much harder to type
04:15<Peng>:P
04:16<Zimsky>WE NEED TO PUT STUFF IN THE ROOT ZONE SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO TYPE 4 MORE CHARS
04:16<Peng>:D
04:17<Zimsky>peng, and if say, comcast opened their precious new tlds for general purchase (which wouldn't make sense), who the fuck wants a .comcast?
04:17<Peng>Incidentally, .ovh is available for general purchase (by OVH customers).
04:18<Zimsky>the /only/ domains I can think of are 'than.comcast' so I can have 'literally.anything.is.better.than.comcast'
04:18<Zimsky>and maybe fuck.comcast
04:18<Zimsky>peng, but why would you purchase that over com/net/org/info/<cctld>
04:19<Cromulent>most people get to websites via Gogole anyway so they hardly ever type in the actual domain name directly
04:19<Zimsky>do you really need to go tell everyone that goes to your site (assuming it's a site), that you are hosted with ovh (presumably)
04:19<arlen>I want an arlen.linode
04:20<Peng>Zimsky: .ovh domains are cheap, and maybe you love OVH and want to show it off.
04:20<Zimsky>I trust linode isn't the type of company to waste hundreds of thousands on tld applications
04:20<Peng>The .ovh TLD was an April Fool's Day joke at first.
04:20<Zimsky>peng, maybe, but that's not supportive enough to validate the entire system of companies having their own tlds
04:21<Zimsky>there are edge cases in support of it, yes, but universally, it's just an aimless and moronic practice
04:21<Zimsky>I consider "trademark and IP protection" as aimless and moronic here
04:21<Cromulent>fair enough
04:22<Peng>Are you unhappy because your application for .horse lost? :D
04:22<Zimsky>you confuse me with JamesTK
04:22<Peng>:D
04:23<Zimsky>companies reportedly snapping up their equivalent TLDs for "IP/trademark protection and security" in the same way you would register your domain on multiple tlds is just silly
04:24<Zimsky>from what I read of the gtld handbook (which is multiple hundreds of pages), there's clauses in place to combat that
04:24<Zimsky>but who is going to spend ~US$185000 to grab the name of another company in the root zone to mess with it?
04:24<Zimsky>maybe microsoft, but they're punks
04:25<Zimsky>the other point is that the average joe using a computer would be confused
04:26<Zimsky>it's bad enough that some people think "YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WWW IN FRONT", that capitalisation matters in site addresses, and that there's only .gov, .com, .org and .net
04:27<Peng>There may be uses for some corporate gTLDs -- though i hate to sound so capitalist -- but convincing every random company to drop $200k for trademark protection sounds like a total scam to me.
04:27<Zimsky>those same people who call up comcast because they knocked the power cord out of the router and think it's some comcast issue, you might tell to go to "internet.comcast", and they're going to be asking 2000 questions about how it works
04:27<Zimsky>peng, it's got nothing to do with capitalism really
04:27<Zimsky>the money is not the biggest issue
04:28<Zimsky>Peng, what can be achieved with a company having their own tld that cannot be achieved at the third level?
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05:05<Peng>I just realized. Amazon shoulda bought "a.ws". O_O
05:05<Zimsky>s3.a.ws is just ridiculous though
05:06<Peng>ridiculously AWESOME
05:06<Zimsky>you spelt "silly" wrong
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06:28<Gopal>mails are not going through.. any suggestions?
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07:17<Haris>hello all
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07:26<arlen>hi
07:27<Haris>just a min please. got into something else
07:29<Haris>is one linode upgradable into another 'on the fly' without needing migration of data ? for .e., Linode 8192 --into--> Linode 12288
07:30<Peng>You can resize by clicking some buttons. Your Linode will have to be shut down briefly, but your data won't be lost.
07:33<Haris>so, its just one reboot and the same data volume(s) work ok "as they were" ?
07:33<Peng>Yes.
07:34<Haris>8192 comes with 4TB transfer. what happens when I need 8 TB transfer / mo
07:34<Haris>against the same linode
07:35<Celti>Transfer is pooled across multiple Linodes. If you have two Linodes with 4TB of transfer, one of them can use 1TB and the other the other 7TB before you'll start being charged for overage.
07:35<Peng>For $20/month, you could get four 1 GB Linodes and not even turn them on.
07:36<Haris>hmm
07:36<Haris>how much is overage on the same linode ?
07:36<Haris>just asking for comparison elsewhere
07:36<Haris>...with+ elsewhere
07:37<Peng>Transfer overages are $0.02/GB.
07:38<Haris>$20 / TB ?
07:38<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Everyone Has Same IP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14621&p=74094#p74094>
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07:38<Peng>TBH, i'm too tired to multiply.
07:39<Peng>Buy buying a Linode 1 GB, you can get 1 TB for $5/month, though.
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07:40<Peng>By buying*
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07:44<Haris>got it. thank you
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08:19<Cromulent>gah changing the email address for a user in office 365 is taking forever
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08:38<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Set up web domain after following linode guide for odoo <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15008&p=74095#p74095>
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09:19<sajith>hi
09:20<sajith>I need a support
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09:24<sajith>hello
09:25<grawity>we all are waiting for you to ask your question
09:25<sajith>I need a new server
09:26<sajith>How many IPs will you provide?
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09:26<new_user>Hello Everyone
09:26<grawity>!ips
09:26<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
09:26<new_user>I am new to Linode and to system administration
09:27<sajith>How many additional IPs can be provided?
09:27<new_user>Do I have any option to test Linode services before I can recommend to them my clients?
09:27<DrJ>sajith, IPv4: really none unless you have a very good reason
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09:27<grawity>sajith: what do you need them for, though?
09:28<DrJ>IPv6: roughly ten billion gazillion trillion
09:28<DrJ>plus or minus 5
09:28<grawity>new_user: get a Linode, test it out, if necessary ask for a refund
09:28<grawity>I'm not entirely sure about the terms though
09:28<Meyer_>I believe you can request a refund within 7 days
09:30<new_user>No, I don't think its ethically right to ask for a refund if I am just testing it without informing Linode team about it first.
09:30<DrJ>new_user, you pay by the hour so the cost will be very little
09:31<grawity>I don't like asking for refunds like that, but ... in your case, it's no different from being an unsatisfied customer
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09:32<new_user>Actually, I am more into management and not into development side so can somebody give me an idea how much it would cost to run an node application for an hour - the user base is not more than 100 and the DB size is 365MB
09:32<DrJ>if you just need to test out say a 1GB linode for a few hours you'll rack up maybe 2-3 pennies in cost
09:32<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/pricing?gclid=CLiJr8C2kNUCFY-1wAodgd0CCQ
09:32<DrJ>depends on the linode plan you pick
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09:33<DrJ>1 hr can be as little as 3/4ths of a penny to $1.44 a hour
09:33<new_user>okay, then I would test it on my own then.
09:34<new_user>one more question, how easy is it to migrate to higher configuration instances?
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09:35<Meyer_>new_user: just a press of a button
09:35<grawity>resizing a linode to a new plan is just a few clicks, though you need to wait several minutes while that happens
09:36<new_user>do i need to create images and then reinstall them?
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09:36<new_user>and what kind of backup plans i should choose?
09:37<new_user>current code base sixe is less than 150 mb and db size less than 400mb
09:37<Meyer_>new_user: If it is just for a test I do not really see the need for backups?
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09:37<Meyer_>new_user: no need to create images for resize to larger plan
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09:37<grawity>the resize is completely automatic
09:37<new_user>I have to give them an complete solution
09:38<new_user>from migration from aws to backup and recovery plan on the new instance.
09:39<new_user>actuall i went through a lot of sites and got confused with all the technical terminoolgy like gigahours, data bandwidth cost
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10:13<Zimsky>eeeeewwwwwwwwww non-dev managers
10:13<Zimsky>bleglbelgbgpppftttf
10:15<Zimsky>I've never heard of a gigahour
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10:19<Zimsky>1 gigahour = 113,999 years
10:20<dzho>accounting for all the leaps and whatnot?
10:20<dzho>because that seems like it'd be tedious as all get out to get right
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10:21<Zimsky>dzho: I averaged with 365.5
10:22<Zimsky>hold my beer though
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10:22<dzho>make sure you get the exceptions to the exceptions to the exceptions
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10:23<HoopyCat>365.24 days/year is the typical number i use, i think
10:23<dzho>plus, I don't think there's a rule for leap seconds--those seem to be added ad hoc
10:23<dzho>HoopyCat: not enough sig figs for this one!
10:24<HoopyCat>leap seconds are the workaround for the n-body problem
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10:26<Zimsky>114077.27636346032y, though this is a fiddly one
10:26<Zimsky>it's simply a duration and therefore the leap years become irrelevant
10:27<Zimsky>because the year is not a fixed length of time, you can't really quantify it in years
10:27<Zimsky>you can account for it, depending on when it starts
10:28<Zimsky>meaning my calculation should have been 113920.89965113156
10:28<Zimsky>but that's very rough still
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10:32<dzho>113.9Ky works for me
10:33<dzho>states it to the nearest uncertain digit, rounds up to 114Ky if we cast it in terms of the sig figs usually used to convert days to a year.
10:34<Zimsky>why are you rounding?
10:34<dzho>because people usually don't talk about fractional days in a year
10:35<Zimsky>we're not usual people
10:35<Zimsky>this is science and mathematics, dzho
10:35<dzho>Zimsky: then show your work, please
10:35<Zimsky>usual people believe dihydrogen monoxide is satan
10:36<Zimsky>I'm checking some definitions
10:36<HoopyCat>i'm A-OK with rounding in this case... after all, we're starting with 1 gigahour, which is itself probably rounded
10:36*dzho nods
10:38<Zimsky>well no, a gigahour is a giga-hour, 1000000000 hours
10:38<dzho>if we're taking it as a unit, we can assume infinite precision and let the least-specified part of the calculation fall elsewhere. Given that "year" usually means "this physical phenomenon that we measure, which measurements are subject to variation and uncertainty" I'm happy to use that as the limiting factor.
10:38<Zimsky>1,000,000,000 hours
10:39<dzho>Zimsky: but if this is about a question on your linode bill, you should just open a ticket
10:39<Zimsky>wat
10:42<Zimsky>dzho: hours aren't actually SI either
10:43<Zimsky>seconds is what we want to work with
10:45<dzho>sure
10:46<dzho>we're just going with how you framed this originally < Zimsky> I've never heard of a gigahour
10:47<HoopyCat>what about gibihours
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10:50<dzho>666666
10:50<dzho>d'oh
10:51<dzho>somehow got a Ctrl-S up in there
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10:59<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • AXFR from ns1.linode.com denied with "NotImp" <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14902&p=74097#p74097> || Linux Networking • How to I directly acquire IPv4 address space allocation? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15009&p=74096#p74096>
11:04<Celti>Nearly had a heart attack there. My SSH session to my Linode dropped and then seconds later I got an email from support.
11:05<Celti>Thankfully entirely unrelated.
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11:20<nate>"The IP for one of our transfer servers is changing, as we are returning a block of IP addresses to the owning organization, and replacing it with an IP Linode owns" <-- so, you guys are returning a -block- of IP addresses and replacing it with -an- IP? >.>
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11:21<nate>I suppose it makes sense, for some reason just seems an amusing way of wording it though to me. Maybe cause I just woke up a bit ago lol
11:21<dwfreed>the wording is a little odd
11:22<ericoc>got that too! 8301084 can get closed if you guys want <3
11:23<Celti>That was the email I got that gave me a heart attack, yeah
11:23<Celti>Although it doesn't affect me since I've got PowerDNS configured to only do AXFR over IPv6
11:23<Celti>(at least, I don't think it affects me)
11:24<dwfreed>correct
11:24<dwfreed>all the IPv6 addresses are owned by Linode
11:25<dwfreed>it's just axfr1's existence predates Linode getting their own IPs directly, so its original IP address was owned by The Planet
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12:02<obi_wan>Greetings from Syracuse, NY.
12:02<dzho>ohi obi
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12:03<Zimsky>what's a syracuse?
12:04<obi_wan>Would someone from Linode please summarize the Linode policy on Linode NTP usage by public Intenet users?
12:04*HoopyCat waves at obi_wan from one train station to the west =^.^=
12:04<Eliz>obi_wan: Errr, I don't think there's any policy
12:04<Zimsky>the ToS should be clear
12:04<Eliz>obi_wan: I mean, if they didn't want you using it, they'd have it firewalled off
12:05<Zimsky>not necessarily, Eliz
12:05<HoopyCat>obi_wan: e.g. providing public NTP service, like as part of the NTP Pool? many of us have been doing it for years without issue
12:05<Eliz>Zimsky: it would've become a problem a looooong time ago.
12:05<obi_wan>Specifically, are Internet users at liberty to configure Linode NTP server: 69.164.222.108 for public use?
12:05<Zimsky>Eliz: I'm talking about firewalling it off
12:06<Zimsky>there are other things that linode does not permit that could be blocked/firewalled, but they don't
12:06<Zimsky>reflection attacks are different
12:06<HoopyCat>obi_wan: is that a linode-operated NTP server, or operated by a customer?
12:06<Zimsky>like the infamous monlist
12:08<Eliz>obi_wan: So, assuming it's a Linode operated service, and not a customer, I'd ask in a ticket.
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12:08<Zimsky>obi_wan: if you want to be semantical, internet users are at liberty to do anything they please with/to that ip address, dependent on their jurisdiction
12:09<Zimsky>for which NTP would be allowed, most likely
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12:09<HoopyCat>from a non-philosophical standpoint, there is the core internet principle of "Don't Be A Jerkface"
12:09<Zimsky>help us, obi_wan, you're our only hope
12:10<Zimsky>HoopyCat: I was speaking legally
12:10<obi_wan>I'm not sure. Tracert ends, identifying li137-108.members.linode.com<>69.164.22.108 as a host under Linode organization.
12:10<Zimsky>philosophically, at a level, anyone can do anything
12:10<HoopyCat>obi_wan: it's almost certainly operated by a customer of linode
12:10<Eliz>^
12:10*Eliz wonders
12:10<Eliz>Kamilion: is that you?
12:11<Eliz>obi_wan: why aren't you just using the ntp pool?
12:13<Zimsky>obi_wan: assuming what you are asking is if /you/ are allowed to use that as an NTP server to pull updates from, and it appears reasonable to do so (I would think so, as it is a public protocol and open for anyone to be able to access), then the concern for legality (if that indeed is your concern), would be on your end
12:14<HoopyCat>obi_wan: traditionally, public NTP servers have listed themselves in http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome or added themselves to the NTP pool at http://www.pool.ntp.org/ ... if it's not on the first list, a safe assumption is that it's not ok to use unless you know otherwise, if that makes sense
12:15<Zimsky>and I 99% agree with Eliz, you should use the pool
12:15<Zimsky>take a swim
12:15<Zimsky>become friends with seth rogen and george takei
12:15<Zimsky>and finally, juice it.
12:16<juice>Drink me.
12:16<Eliz>lol
12:17<FluffyFoxeh>lmao
12:18<Eliz>HoopyCat: obi_wan: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/PublicTimeServer000686
12:18<Eliz>"OpenAccess" feel free to use I guess
12:18<HoopyCat>boom, there we go =^.^=
12:18<Eliz>but I still think you should just use the ntp pool
12:19<obi_wan>Thanks all. I appreciate the feedback and recommendation(s). What is required to determine if li137-108.members.linode.com<>69.164.22.108 is a customer of Linode?
12:19<Eliz>obi_wan: ... read my link
12:19<Eliz>it's a customer, and they've stated OpenAccess
12:19<Eliz>that said, just use the pools
12:20<obi_wan>Thanks, obi_wan. Reading link ...
12:21<obi_wan>Eliz, what does: "they've stated OpenAccess" mean?
12:22<Eliz>obi_wan: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/OpenAccess
12:22<Eliz>obi_wan: why aren't you just using pool.ntp.org
12:22<HoopyCat>possible obvious answer: if someone's setting up an NTP Pool server, using the NTP Pool as a time source is contraindicated
12:22<obi_wan>obi_wan, are able to wield a light saber?
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12:28<Eugene>HoopyCat - not necessarily; it is recommended to hand-pick a few low-stratum NTP servers and hardcode them if you are joining the pool, but it works Just Fine if you let the round-robin handle it. There is a long enough TTL on the A record that it won't jump servers all the time
12:29<obi_wan>To review, the new guy: phrounds, pops into Linode chat vortex to ask a few questions about Linode policy 101 for NTP usage. He is told that if the NTP resource is available (has not been firewalled) then basically, sure, go ahead and use it. Not sure this answers the original question.
12:29<Eliz>obi_wan: .... what?
12:29<Eliz>I am so confused now.
12:29<dzho>wtf is "phrounds"
12:30<Eugene>If you're really serious about clean time then you should contact a few stratum-1 clock operators and request whitelisting for your site, and/or look into becoming a stratum1 yourself
12:30<Eliz>dzho: it's another nick, I wonder if they're partners or somethin
12:30<Zimsky>help us obi_wan, you're our only hope
12:30<Eugene>One of these days I'll buy a GPS kit
12:31*dzho checks lastlog doesn't see it, checks /names sees it there.
12:31<dzho>oh
12:31<HoopyCat>obi_wan: linode's ToS and other policies apply to linode customers; the linode customer running that service is permitted to do so, but whether that customer intends for other people to use it is not covered by linode policy
12:31<dzho>subsidiarity is hard, let's go VPS shopping
12:31<FluffyFoxeh>[12:29:53] <dzho> wtf is "phrounds"
12:31<FluffyFoxeh>i laughed really hard
12:32<dzho>:-)
12:32*dzho checks the /ignore list doesn't find it there
12:32<FluffyFoxeh>yeah I didn't see phrounds say anything either
12:32<HoopyCat>suspecting a tab complete anomaly, shit happens, carry on with day
12:33<Zimsky>obi_wan: dude just get a caesium clock
12:33<Zimsky>you'll be all squared away
12:33<FluffyFoxeh>I saw a hydrogen one at Algonquin Radio Observatory
12:34<HoopyCat>ffs, is it too early to start drinking
12:34<dzho>HoopyCat: in another channel, we have a saying "it is always morning-- somewhere"
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>mars?
12:34<dzho>as a corollary, it is always past noon somewhere
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>like here
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>Mon Jul 17 12:34:36 EDT 2017
12:35<obi_wan>My apology for the hiccups. Thanks all for your input. Gotta go.
12:35<FluffyFoxeh>bai
12:35<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: speaking of time, your clock is way off
12:35<Eliz>or is mine
12:35*Eliz checks
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12:35<FluffyFoxeh>mine's ntp'd
12:35<Eliz>woo, mine is off.
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12:36<Eliz>all fixed.
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12:36<HoopyCat>NEXT
12:36*MajObviousman shouts, "Shame! Shame!" and rings the bell three times
12:36<MajObviousman>speaking of, I should go watch last nights episode
12:36<Jason>Hi Any Linode online service there?
12:36<FluffyFoxeh>yanno, I am still not clear on how RTC works in a VM
12:36<Eliz>!to Jason ops
12:36<FluffyFoxeh>specifically qemu/kvm
12:36<linbot>Jason: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
12:36<Eliz>!to Jason ask
12:36<linbot>Jason: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
12:37<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: it's a time source
12:37<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: `cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource`
12:37<FluffyFoxeh>what happens when the VM "writes" to the hardware clock?
12:37<Jason>I would to to setup a server to cover the both customer in European and North America, which location server is the best option?
12:38<FluffyFoxeh>kvm-clock
12:38<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: in this case, I think it just sets an offset
12:38<Jason>I would to to setup a server to cover the both customer in European and North America, which location server is the best option?
12:38<FluffyFoxeh>oh so there is some vm-specific abstraction... at least in my case. I wonder what would happen if my kernel wasn't aware of this
12:38<FluffyFoxeh>Eliz: I run NTP on my linode and in the VM on my desktop
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>in the desktop case I actually run NTP on the host, and sync the guest to the host's ntpd
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know if that makes any sense to do, but I vaguely recall the guest getting out of sync without it
12:39<Eliz>MajObviousman: beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice.
12:40<MajObviousman>FluffyFoxeh: https://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmware_timekeeping.pdf
12:40<MajObviousman>more than you ever wanted to know
12:40<FluffyFoxeh>is it worth reading if I don't use vmware?
12:40<Eugene>Yes it is
12:41<MajObviousman>yes
12:41<FluffyFoxeh>cool
12:41<MajObviousman>it dives into the mechanics of time keeping on physical machines and why the virtualization adds such challenges
12:42<FluffyFoxeh>thank you
12:42<MajObviousman>don't thank me yet. You haven't started reading :)
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12:43<MajObviousman>this rabbit hole is surprisingly deep
12:43<Eugene>and awesome
12:44<MajObviousman>if you make it through, you'll have an associates in white paper reading
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13:15<Haris>hello all
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13:16<Haris>I created an account. punshed in a CC's details. it didn't work. money was refunded to owner. Now, the account is still in review
13:16<Haris>Your account is currently being reviewed.
13:16<Haris>You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
13:16<Haris>Is there a way I can punch in another CC's details ?
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13:17<Haris>the other CC's transaction was reversed, but this account is not showing option to punch in another card's details.
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13:18<Haris>what is the way forward for me ?
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13:19<Woet>why are you using CCs that dont belong to you?
13:19<Haris>well
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13:20<Haris>that one belonged to my company's director, under whom is the COO, who gave me those details
13:20<Haris>he can't get the signed thing in time
13:20<Haris>so we'r now trying his CC
13:20<Haris>going+ to+ try+
13:20<Eliz>Haris: you triggered fraud detection, they're just manually verifying your account
13:20<Eliz>the more you keep trying, the harder it will become
13:21<Eliz>so just sit tight
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13:21<Haris>I have to get things up on this Linode by tomorrow. I need to make payment and get this account active
13:21<Haris>hmm
13:21<Haris>a support ticket ?
13:21<Haris>or an email ?
13:21<Eliz>Haris: if you can open a ticket, go ahead, wasn't sure if the view let you or not
13:24<Haris>ticket opened
13:24<Haris>T ID: 8309013
13:25<Woet>now wait for a response
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13:37<Haris>creating a new account :-(
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13:57<Eugene>I received a ticket this morning, says that 69.93.127.10 is being sunsetted as a Linode NS Master IP; and to replace it with 104.237.137.10. This seems like a straightforward-enough change, given this setup: https://github.com/EugeneKay/dns/blob/running/named.d/acls.conf
13:58<Eugene>However, I just received a clarififcation reply to that ticket which makes absolutely no fucking sense. http://i.imgur.com/DeEjxSh.png
13:59<Eugene>It looks like this is meant to make more sense for normal people, who don't have a master/slave setup, and it is trying to reassure them that everything is fine?
13:59<Eugene>Honestly all it has done is cloud wtf is supposed to be done here. I don't even have any outbound slaves configured from Liode
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14:02<@rmyers>Eugene: looking into it, thank you
14:02<Eugene>So..... I just need to search+replace that IP?
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14:02<Eugene>Nothing else is going to catch fire with slaving?
14:03<Eugene>I don't see this mentioned as a maintenance on status.linode.com either
14:06*dzho makes the possibly-unnecessary caution about updating the serial number in any config files
14:06<dzho>only because that's the sort of thing *I* would forget to do
14:06<Eugene>git repo has a hook for that
14:07<dzho>sweet
14:08<zifnab>That's stupidly amusing
14:08<zifnab>I feel like it's over complicated
14:08<zifnab>But that's...well Eugene for you
14:08<Eugene>It works better than your stupid system
14:09<zifnab>I have cloud flsre
14:09<zifnab>I pay someone for this
14:09<Eugene>MITMaaS
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14:11*Eugene jackley
14:12<@jackley>hiya!
14:13<Haris>bbl all
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14:15<Woet>Eugene: are you still Linodin' every day after the DNS incident?
14:15<Eugene>I haven't yet today; don't rush me
14:15<Woet>its overdue
14:15<Eugene>That's like, your opinion, man
14:15<Woet>did you switch timezones? you've been linodin' really early/late lately
14:16<Eugene>Sleeping poorly
14:16<Woet>it used to be 1600 GMT but lately its been 0600
14:16<Woet>ouch
14:16<Woet>perhaps less linodin'
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14:23<Eugene>jackley - I typically don't do PMs. And no, I have not seen an authoritative answer on the subject
14:23<@jackley>fair enough...
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14:25<rvpc>hello - can someone tell me what i need to do for our linode to show up under the control panel? I received an alert that CPU is high but i cant see anything when i log in
14:25<Eugene>jackley - thanks for confirming; I have updated my hidden-master config https://github.com/EugeneKay/dns/commit/da843e0
14:25<@jackley>the only thing that's changing w/r/t slaving is the axfr address that I mentioned in the ticket. If you're affected by this change, and you've updated your configs, you should be good to go.
14:25<@jackley>Eugene: no problem.
14:26<Eugene>jackley - the ticket was.... a bit confusing. And AFAIK there is no single "this is a list of our slave IPs" page in the docs, nevermind a Status page update informing everybody of this massive infrastructure chagne
14:26<Eugene>But thats just my 2c
14:27<Woet>Eugene: stop complaining or you'll be shut down
14:28<Eugene>Woet - If those of us who Linode every day are confused, just think of the occasional Linodians
14:28<Woet>i wasnt confuesd
14:28<Woet>maybe its a you problem
14:28<Woet>lack of sleep is affecting your intelligence
14:28<Eugene>Maybe you don't Linode enough
14:31<DanielNM>Keep on Linodin'
14:32<@jackley>Eugene: the doc to which we link in the ticket (<https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview#add-a-domain-zone>) lists the IP addresses necessary (under step 6) for our DNS servers to function as slaves to your master
14:32<@jackley>Eugene: I could be misunderstanding you, though, apologies if so
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14:33<Eugene>TIL
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14:33<io____>Hallo I wanted to give a try to the new panel but it says: The Beta Manager and API V4 are not available for legacy pre-pay accounts. Please convert to Hourly billing.
14:33<Woet>io____: did you try converting to hourly billing?
14:34<Woet>io____: because it's not available for legacy pre-pay accounts.
14:34<AlexMax>Will block storage allow access to one block storage from multiple servers?
14:34<Eugene>AlexMax - not simultaneously / as a clustered filesystem, no
14:34<AlexMax>dang
14:35<AlexMax>I'm having problems with NFS due to our needs to dynamically add and remove servers from the list of allowed clients
14:35<AlexMax>kerberos is looking like a pain in the neck
14:35<AlexMax>looking for alternatives
14:35<AlexMax>thanks anyway
14:35<Eugene>NFSv4+Kerberos and iptables client-filtering is the Correct way to do it
14:37<@jackley>Eugene: re: infrastructure change: since this affected only a small subset of customers, we thought it preferable to reach out directly with a ticket. But I get your points on the ticket text/second update.
14:37<AlexMax>Eugene: I already filter to only the private network using iptables, but obviously anybody on Linode's private network can still own me, which is not desirable
14:38<AlexMax>Kerberos won't work for us unless kerberos can handle adding and removing arbitrary servers that all share the same credentials
14:38<Eugene>jackley - I get it, just confused
14:39<rvpc>hello - can someone tell me what i need to do for our linode to show up under the control panel? I received an alert that CPU is high but i cant see anything when i log in
14:39<Eugene>AlexMax - The point of Kerberos is that everybody doesn't share the same credentials..... ? And it works fine, if your environment is set up properly(this is not trivial)
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14:40<Eugene>But..... if you're doing NFS on Linode then chances are you have other architectural warts
14:40<Eugene>I know I do
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14:59<gparent>You have all sorts of warts Eugene.
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15:08<YORK>Excuse me?I can't receive the password reset email.
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15:13<Woet>you're excused
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15:28<Zimsky>you're not excused
15:28<Zimsky>how dare you come in here so demanding
15:29<Zimsky>oh hey Eugene
15:29<Zimsky>JamesTK says hi
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15:47<dzho>oh, gone.
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15:50<Armen>I cannot reset my password
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16:11<Eugene>New work habit: any time a pop-culture reference is made that I do not get/remember, I go look it up and educate myself(usually in the format of a YouTube video) and call it "work".
16:11<Eugene>'On-the-job training'
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17:01<ponas>anyone else seeing ipv6 packet loss in london? not sure if ICMP is randomly filtered or if there's a real issue
17:03<@mcintosh>!mtr
17:03<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
17:03<ponas>on it
17:03<Eugene>Looks fine to me https://status.kashpureff.org/dynamic/graph-linode-london-Ping-IPv6-5400.png
17:05<ponas>https://pastebin.com/rM8K4ZyP
17:06<HoopyCat>ponas: lgtm... you sent 50 packets to the end, and all 50 reached their destination
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17:14<ponas>fair enough. not sure why my pipes randomly break
17:15<ponas>the loss at linode-ic-*.telia.net is just the router sometimes ignoring ICMP, for performance reasons or whatever?
17:16<Eugene>Yup; I usually add '-i 5' which helps with ICMP-limiting filters
17:19*ponas takes note
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