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00:17<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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00:26<zifnab>the internet confuses me
00:26<zifnab>i posted a photo of my cat's asshole on facebook
00:26<zifnab>her climbing on things, ass visible
00:26<zifnab>people liked it
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00:27<HoopyCat>zifnab: people who liked your cat's asshole also liked https://vulpine.club/@rey/1205273
00:27<zifnab>HoopyCat: i'm not clicking that
00:28<zifnab>also something smells like cat pee
00:28<zifnab>i don't know what
00:28<zifnab>it worries me
00:28<zifnab>HoopyCat: actually thats amazing
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00:28<HoopyCat>if you have a cat, it's probably cat pee
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00:28<zifnab>yeah, i just don't know where :/
00:29<zifnab>either the fireplace, which, i guess thats fine
00:29<zifnab>i'll clean it out later
00:29<zifnab>oh
00:29<zifnab>OH
00:29<zifnab>its the shitty beer in front of me, its gone bad
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00:30<zifnab>only eastern washington can do pear cider wrong
00:32<HoopyCat>hairy perry
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01:06<FluffyFoxeh>https://vulpine.club/packs/170084_vulpineclub_A-72118c1a113dc53a76d1a40a6ffdb760.png
01:06<FluffyFoxeh>that's cute
01:06<FluffyFoxeh>i guess
01:07<FluffyFoxeh>i
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01:11<FluffyFoxeh>i'm always unsure with furry art because the artist's intent is often... dubious
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01:21<FluffyFoxeh>my talk of furry art scared the server away
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01:24<Peng>wb Peng_
01:25<Peng>and others
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01:27<arlen>\o/
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02:35<tuantran>hello i need help about upgrade php
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02:49<Zimsky>anything that isn't php is an upgrade from php
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03:43<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • new Linode Manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15001&p=74099#p74099>
03:48<Celti>Zimsky: Lies. ColdFusion is not an upgrade from PHP.
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04:08<DuongNgo>hi
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04:09<DuongNgo>I want to ask some questions about pricing
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04:09<DuongNgo>Hello
04:10<Cromulent>!ask
04:10<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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04:12<DuongNgo>https://www.linode.com/pricing
04:12<DuongNgo>In there, only mention about package price
04:13<DuongNgo>I want to have to customized package (300SSD, 15GB RAM, IOPS 5000, 20 CPU)
04:13<DuongNgo>How about the price ?
04:13<DuongNgo>How much does it cost
04:14<DuongNgo>Good bye stuff channel
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07:38<Manos>Hello, I would like to ask if linode offers any deal with Plesk software
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08:18<vc>what is cost for linode 50gb diskspace with cpanel and whm
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08:41<Celti>Linode does not offer cPanel licenses except as part of their Linode Managed service
08:42<Celti>Oh, he left.
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09:07<ang>something weird going on with my linode. reverse dns is no longer working. opened ticket 8313542 for it.
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09:13<franklin>why my account still reviewed?
09:13<franklin>who can help me
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09:22<v0lksman>hello all! I got an email yesterday alerting me to the DNS IP changes for secondary. I don't have any but it concerns me to find out that one of my zones has "any" set for axfr. I just did a quick list using the API and am assuming that "MASTER_IPS" is the field I would find this info but none of my domains have that. What am I doing wrong?
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09:26<v0lksman>ahh...axfr_ips
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09:28<dwfreed>v0lksman: allowing AXFRs from anybody isn't really that large of a concern
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09:30<v0lksman>no but not something I want either
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09:41<ang>seems they're all out of office :)
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09:47<Victor_Goncalve>Boa Tarde
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10:31<dzho>network sadness abounds
10:33<HoopyCat>mmm, one too many syllables to be the first line of a haiku
10:33<dzho> 5. linode.com 43.2% 272 29.3 31.6 26.7 68.9 3.7
10:34<dzho>Header for that is
10:34<dzho> Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
10:34<dzho>all other hops are 5x5
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10:36<HoopyCat>dzho: murf... looks ok from the office (Time Spectrum RoadCharter) and from the hackerspace (HE tunnel)
10:37<dzho>I'm at the space.
10:37<dzho>this is trying to get into newark.
10:37*dzho rummages around for credentials for a ticket
10:38<HoopyCat>oh, into newark!
10:39<HoopyCat>oh that middle hop there
10:39<dzho>yeah
10:39<dzho>running the mtr -c 10 -r from home too just for giggles
10:39<HoopyCat>hrrrm... looks ok beyond that particular hop
10:42<dzho>oh, right, not apples to apples because fsckin' FTTP ISP doesn't do IPv6
10:43<dzho>I guess I'll downgrade the IP version from the space then to have two data points on the same version of the protocol
10:44<HoopyCat>dzho: did i mention that said FTTP ISP can't service the office cuz the pole is too far away
10:45<HoopyCat>upon further review, i honestly have no idea how the TWC coax gets into the building
10:46<dzho>😢
10:48<HoopyCat>dzho: i'd get you a native ipv6 mtr from home but i have no servers there, and my last attempt to use a bullhorn to have alexa do an mtr resulted in property damage
10:48<dzho>Yeah, I don't think increasing the power for an audio link is going to help there, at least not while the trees are all leafed out.
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10:49<dzho>plus you have return path problems too, unless you have a bullhorn attached to your Echo?
10:49<HoopyCat>dzho: the mobile app displays a history, so it could work
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10:51<HoopyCat>dzho: i don't think she'll do what i want anyway... when i was troubleshooting the IPv4 network stuff at home, i asked her what her MAC address was, and she curtly told me to look at the help page in the app
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10:55<dzho>ok, ticket opened
10:56<dzho>> If you are experiencing connectivity issues in other data centers, please reach out to our Customer Support Team for assistance.
10:56<dzho>^^^ from status.linode.com
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11:18<Peng>8 days ago: There's no particular hurry.
11:18<Peng>Today: Are you ready?
11:18<Peng>D:
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12:42<mike>Hello
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12:42<synfinatic>hello mike
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12:42<synfinatic>you'll always be mike to me Guest376
12:43<Guest376>I have a question about costume image with ubuntu 6.10. Does linode support it ?
12:46<synfinatic>support as in "will it run" or "if I have problems linode will fix it"?
12:46<synfinatic>if the former, you can spend $0.10 to find out and launch an instance with your image
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12:46<Guest376>yes, will linode run ubuntu 6.10 ?
12:46<Peng>You mean 16.10, right?
12:46<synfinatic>actually, less then ten cents
12:46<Guest376>no
12:46<Guest376>i mean ubuntu 6.10
12:46<Peng>6.10 doesn't exist, does it?
12:47<millisa>if you want to try to get a 2008 linux running...
12:47<synfinatic>i'm guessing "probably not" that kernel is old old old
12:47<Peng>The 11-year-old version is 6.06.
12:47<millisa>6.10 was edgy eft
12:47<synfinatic>but you can try
12:47<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/install-a-custom-distribution-on-a-linode is probably where you want to start reading
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12:47<Peng>synfinatic: Kernel's not a problem if you use the Linode kernel.
12:47<Peng>!kernels
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12:47<linbot>Peng: 4.9.33-x86-linode102 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1498255565#260> || 4.9.33-x86_64-linode83 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1498251873#259> || Latest 32 bit (4.9.15-x86-linode100) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1491833108#137> || Latest 64 bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1491833037#138> || 4.9.15-x86_64-linode81 (4 more messages)
12:47<Guest376>Yes I find this article
12:48<Peng>I'd bet you can run 11-year-old userland with 4.9.33 and have it mostly work.
12:48<synfinatic>you looking to get hacked? :)
12:48<Peng>Until you get rooted.
12:48<Peng>4.9.15*
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12:50<ang_>hi. so i've had this set up years ago, but suddenly reverse DNS isn't working
12:50<ang_> host 64.22.124.73
12:50<ang_>73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa has no PTR record
12:50<warewolf>Peng: there's that ... libc change that would cause havoc with that
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12:51<ang_>it's like the PTR record jsut disappeaered
12:51<warewolf>Peng: some environment variable you have to export as a workaround, I forget the details
12:51<Peng>74.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns5.linode.com.
12:51<Peng>;; Received 169 bytes from 205.251.138.2#53(ns1.networktransit.net) in 22 ms
12:51<Peng>Ohhh somebody fried their zone
12:51<ang_>i'm 73, not 74 ..
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12:52<Peng>I forgot i edited it. Doesn't matter, though.
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12:53<Peng>It looks correct on Linode's nameservers.
12:53<ang_>@Peng, I'm sorry. I don't follow. I haven't touched it in years.
12:53<ang_>on the nameservers yes, but reverse lookups fail
12:54<dwfreed>the response from networktransit is whacky
12:54<Peng>You didn't do anything. Linode didn't do anything.
12:54<Peng>I think Zayo left a . out of their zone files...
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12:54<dwfreed>73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns1.linode.com.
12:54<dwfreed>that should be 73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.
12:55<Peng>The good news is i think they use DNSSEC. ;D
12:55<dwfreed>they do!
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12:56<ang_>@Peng so how to i resolve this?
12:56<Peng>Hmm.
12:56<ang_>no pun intended :P
12:56<dwfreed>poke zayo to fix their shit
12:56<Peng>You know anyone at Zayo?
12:56<Peng>File a support ticket with Linode. They can escalate to their provider.
12:57<Peng>There's nothing you or Linode can directly do about the problem.
12:57<ang_>no. Ihave no clue how zayo comes in to play. I use the DMS Manager at linode only
12:57<Peng>ang_: Zayo is one of the data center operators Linode uses. This is their responsibility.
12:57<ang_>ok. can you tell me how to view the broken zone file?
12:57<dwfreed>they own the IP address, as it's a really old one (from before Linode had their own IPs)
12:57<ang_>so i can add it to the ticket
12:58<ang_>yes. I'm a customer since 2007 ... so it's an OLD ip
12:58<Peng>dig +trace -x 64.22.124.73
12:59<Peng>"Network Transit" is Zayo, isn't it?
12:59<Peng>I guessed as much because i saw one reference to GNAX in clearly old whois data.
12:59<dwfreed>yes
13:00<ang_>@Peng, thanks. where did you see the missing '.' ?
13:01<Peng>ang_: It's usually the explanation for nonsense like "73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.".
13:01<dwfreed>^
13:01<Peng>ang_: Someone wrote "73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa" instead of "73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa."
13:01<dwfreed>if you don't have a trailing . when making a zone file, it is relative to the zone origin
13:02<Peng>!dns6 124.22.64.in-addr.arpa soa
13:02<linbot>Peng: ns1.networktransit.net. noc.networktransit.net. 2017071320 3600 7200 1209600 86400
13:02<Peng>Broke it 5 days ago, perhaps?
13:02<dwfreed>so if you put "73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa" in the zone file for "124.22.64.in-addr.arpa." you end up with "73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa."
13:03<ang_>ok
13:03<ang_>how the hell would that break out of the blue
13:03<ang_>i seriously probably haven't touch the rDNS in +10 years :)
13:03<dwfreed>it's probably generated programmatically, and somebody changed the script
13:05<ang_>ok. thanks a lot for the help. I appreciated it!
13:06<ang_>appreicate even. I think this gives me enough ammo to add to the ticket
13:07<ang_>altho that dig trace does show: 73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR ab7.org.
13:07<ang_>@Peng ... 5 days seems about right
13:09<Peng>Hm. You're right, it does. I made a mistake and didn't notice.
13:09<Peng>They're still returning weird data. Even if "dig +trace" is able to make sense of it, my resolver can't.
13:10<Peng>!dns6 73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa ptr
13:10<linbot>Peng: The DNS response does not contain an answer to the question: 73.124.22.64.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
13:14<ang_>it's screwing up my email as the remote smtp servers are complaining about the rDNS.. argh.
13:15<dwfreed>Peng: I think dig +trace doesn't validate responses
13:16<dwfreed>Peng: "you told me to go there, but you used the wrong query name? okay, doing it anyway"
13:19<Peng>\o/
13:21<HoopyCat>best bet is to always poke at the people you're paying when things are broken, without regard to whose problem it actually is... money builds relationships =^.^=
13:24<zifnab>!zayo
13:24<linbot>19:07:23 <HoopyCat> zaaaaaaaaaayo, zaaa-aa-aaa-aaaa-yoooooo, latency come and me wan' go home
13:25<zifnab>Roughly accurate
13:25<zifnab>I'd rather have Comcast than zayo
13:25<zifnab>I miss 360 networks
13:27<Eugene>I have Gigabit for another two weeks
13:27<Eugene>zifnab - how was Wave cancellation? Phone call?
13:28<ang_>@HoopyCat ... the people I'm paying are extremely quiet today.
13:35<HoopyCat>ang_: how long ago did you open the ticket?
13:37<ang_>~5 hours ago
13:38<ang_>i received one reply that was not helpful. no where near the depth peng and dwfreed just went in to
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13:43<HoopyCat>fair nuf
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13:44<Guest382>Does anyone install custome image to linode?
13:44<zifnab>Eugene: haven't done it yet, thanks. Previously it was phone call w/ 30 day minimuk end date
13:45<zifnab>Eugene: i'll let you know in 10min?
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13:48<zifnab>Eugene: 30s phone call, its shut off already
13:48<zifnab>"I moved. I need to cancel service." "Can you verify the name and address" "Here it is" "Cool, thanks for being a waveg customer, can we get a forwarding address" "Blah" "Thanks. If we do get service in that building, is it ok to put your name on the notification list?" "Yes please, thanks" "Perfect, everything's done, have a wonderful day"
13:49<zifnab>that was pleasant
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13:52<Eugene>Neat, no ETF fee?
13:52<dwfreed>> ETF fee
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13:52<K1MAD>none at all
13:52<dwfreed>welcome to the department of redundancy department
13:52<Peng>That's the fee *you* charge *them* for having an ETF :D
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13:52<K1MAD>glade to be here
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13:52<Night>Jeu I am looking at this service, do you provide IPv6 support?
13:52<Night>Hey*
13:52<Peng>Yes
13:53<Night>great which range? 64 or /48?
13:53<zifnab>Eugene: of course not, lack of contract
13:53<Peng>Up to a /56. Perhaps more than one /56 if you can talk them into it.
13:53<Eugene>Neat.
13:53<zifnab>Eugene: last time i moved, they wnated a 30 day notification,a nd i paid both places for 30 days. i'm sure they'd appreciate a notification ahead of time though
13:54<zifnab>Eugene: also is "swap modem" a phopne call with comcast?
13:54<Eugene>I'm too lazy to call
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13:54<Eugene>Last time I had to do it there was a way to sign-in to xfinity.com on the new one
13:54<Eugene>But if you have a technician coming they can do it
13:54<zifnab>sounds good
13:54<zifnab>i have a new 6190
13:55<Night>Peng: I have a /28 from Ripe can i bribe with that?
13:55<Eugene>It vends?
13:55<zifnab>!vend
13:55<zifnab>!help vend
13:55<linbot>zifnab: (vend <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "do smacks you".
13:55<hawk>Night: You get a smaller pool of addresses you can just use (4096), or you can request a network to be routed to you (which is the /56 that was mentioned by others)
13:56<Night>are those static? or do i have to make script for dns?
13:56<Peng>Static.
13:56<Peng>/64s are also an option
13:57<zifnab>ugh. anyone know where my tape measure is
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14:00<Night>cheers Peng setting up instance now to migrate my bnc
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14:12<Night>any reason why I cannot start a service on port 8181?
14:14<Night>nvm logs was wrong
14:19<zifnab>`lsof -i` in the future
14:19<zifnab>or `netstat -rn`
14:19<zifnab>(prn? idr)
14:26<Night>zifnab: yeah did that but logs said connection reufsed to localhost:8181
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14:32<ang_>@Peng ... this is so frustrating. emailed gnax's help desk and it bounces back. and their live chat doesn't even work :)
14:35<ang_>i guess it's netdepot now
14:36<Peng>GNAX is likely not involved anymore. They used to own the data center, but sold it to Zayo.
14:36<Peng>Then GNAX became NetDepot, somehow. Rename or rebranding or merger or acquisition or something.
14:38<Peng>!web title http://networktransit.net/
14:38<linbot>Peng: Index of /
14:38<Peng>:D
14:39<Peng>Then again, networktransit.net also seems to be associated with NetDepot.
14:40<Peng>!dns6 networktransit.net soa
14:40<linbot>Peng: ns1.netdepot.com. rgiles.netdepot.com. 2017071414 86400 7200 3600000 86400
14:40<Peng>!dns6 124.22.64.in-addr.arpa soa
14:40<linbot>Peng: ns1.networktransit.net. noc.networktransit.net. 2017071320 3600 7200 1209600 86400
14:40<Peng>Those two email addresses might work and might be the right company.
14:40<Peng>Or you can just make Linode figure it out. :D
14:41<ang_>i would. but getting tired of waiting.
14:41<Peng>Rodney Giles is... president of NetDepot.
14:42<Peng>GNAX -> NetDepot was a repranding, apparently. https://www.netdepot.com/about/
14:42<Peng>rebranding*
14:44<Peng>ang_: Hey. you're not the first to notice. https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/6nddjq/hosted_at_zayos_dc_in_atlanta_delegate_dns_need/
14:46<Peng>dwfreed: I think this may actually be GNAX/NetDepot's fault. I might have falsely accused Zayo. :D
14:46<dwfreed>GNAX is Zayo
14:47<ang_>crap. too bad there are no comments
14:47<Peng>AtlantaNAP teh data center was bought by Zayo, but i thought GNAX/NetDepot was a separate company?
14:47<dwfreed>it's all a mess
14:47<dwfreed>regardless, it's probably going to be Linode that has to fix it
14:47<dwfreed>Linode that has to poke the right people to fix it*
14:48<Peng>This might be
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14:48<Peng>Bah
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14:51<Peng>According to the now-deleted Reddit post, OP already complained to NetDepot.
14:51<Peng>3 days ago.
14:53<ang_>did they say anything?
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14:54<Peng>Anything? Yes. Anything useful? Perhaps not.
14:54<arlen>:-/
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14:56<Peng>See? Linode should keep The Planet IPs forever and get rid of AtlantaNAP IPs. :P
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15:00<ang_>"checked them all and every single one in 64.22.64.0/18 that delegates NS is misconfigured." .... from the deleted post
15:00<ang_>a lot of IPs in the space are used at Linode. Wonder why I'm the first to complain? i chatted with netdepot and opened a ticket.
15:01<Peng>Some people may have reported it in private. A lot of people probably don't notice their reverse DNS.
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15:02<ang_>@Peng anyway, thanks a lot for your help
15:03<Peng>Other report: https://twitter.com/hostineer/status/885932217146499073
15:04<Peng>Links to http://status.hostineer.com/incident/50 which has a timeline and some more information.
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15:06<Peng>By the way, an unrelated but important Atlanta data center had a partial power outage July 12, causing problems for probably just about everyone in the area.
15:07<Peng>Half of NetDepot's sysadmins were probabyl tired July 13. :P
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15:08<ang_>your google-fu is most impressive.
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15:31<BigKahuna>hi there , does anybody know if i can handle multiple domains & multiple website CMS along with a single Node ?
15:31<DrJ>yes
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15:32<DrJ>BigKahuna, there is really no limit
15:32<millisa>The only limit is yourself
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15:32<DrJ>only limiting factor is your resources
15:33<BigKahuna>THanks DRJ , any advice on migrating a shared bluehost setup , to a Linode ?
15:33<BigKahuna>first time setting up a server
15:33<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/migrate-to-linode/migrate-from-shared-hosting-to-linode
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15:34<BigKahuna>Awesome, this still valid for multiple wesites?
15:34<DrJ>basically, that doesn't cover setting up the vhosts or anything for each one
15:34<DrJ>also, linode comes with no control panel like cpanel/plesk
15:35<DrJ>there is a good free one called webmin/virtualmin
15:35<BigKahuna>currently a friend of mine hooked me my server with CEntOS and Webim , nevertheless im flying blind now
15:40<@mquatrani>Hi BigKahuna: We also have some documentation on webmin that you may find useful https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel
15:42<BigKahuna>thanks @Drj , @mquatrani , if currently i Have installed CentOs and Webmin , what would be my next step for migrating the host?
15:42<BigKahuna>any idea ?
15:42<@mquatrani>Basically, you have two parts that you will need to migrate
15:43<@mquatrani>1. The website files
15:43<@mquatrani>2. The (i'm assuming) mysql database
15:43<@mquatrani>so..
15:43<@mquatrani>you will want to use the cpanel file manager tool to get your files
15:43<@mquatrani>and you can also dump your database through the cpanel interface
15:44<@mquatrani>Once you have those you will need to configure a webserver move the files on over to us, import the database, and configure vhosting for multiple sites
15:44<BigKahuna>ok ok , currently i have the whole backup of the files AND the mysqul DB ,
15:45<BigKahuna>I ve connected thru SFTP with FIlezilla , and thats it i dont know anymore
15:46<@mquatrani>well you should be able to just drag the files over to your new server using filezilla
15:46<@mquatrani>or you can use SCP
15:46<@mquatrani>this document is very useful as an introduction to system administration basics
15:46<@mquatrani>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/linux-system-administration-basics#upload-files-to-a-remote-server
15:46<@mquatrani>that is the section on using SCP
15:47<BigKahuna>do i need to install wordpress again or that is nonsense?
15:47<@mquatrani>and here is a document for hosting a website, which includes a section on importing a database
15:47<@mquatrani>well, all of the wordpress files are already on your old server
15:48<@mquatrani>so you don't need to start with a new installation
15:48<BigKahuna>ok ok doesnt matter from which Setup they were coming then ?
15:48<@mquatrani>https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website
15:48<@mquatrani>that's your best starting point
15:48<BigKahuna>i mean if i have centos and the latter being something from bluehost
15:49<@mquatrani>if you have cpanel on bluehost then your distro is centos7 by default
15:49<@mquatrani>so it's a non-issue
15:49<@mquatrani>but to answer your question: no it shouldn't really matter in your case
15:50<@mquatrani>or, you can always get a cpanel license for your server and use their built in transfer tool
15:50<BigKahuna>great, so then what should i start... tranfer files to my Linode that has webmin?
15:51<@mquatrani>it's really going to depend on if you want to install your own cpanel or not
15:51<@mquatrani>if you do, you will have to configure a new server
15:51<@mquatrani>if not, then you can transfer your files as is
15:51<@mquatrani>as an aside
15:51<@mquatrani>we actually have a managed hosting option that would include two free site transfers and a cpanel license
15:51<@mquatrani>https://www.linode.com/managed
15:52<BigKahuna>but that would mean $100 per month right ?
15:52<@mquatrani>yes, with a 3 month commitment
15:53<@mquatrani>If that's not an option, I would just recommend reading through the guides i linked. As long as you follow them step by step, you can definitely get this done
15:54<BigKahuna>grat thanks, mmm could you please tell me the order of which i should go over the guides , if I have the CentOs and Webmin already in place ?
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15:56<@mquatrani>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/migrate-to-linode/migrate-from-shared-hosting-to-linode
15:56<@mquatrani>this guide is the most inclusive
15:57<@mquatrani>but you will basically want to 1. make sure the webserver, database, and php is configured 2. import the website files 3. import the database 4. change DNS
15:57<@mquatrani>FYI a LAMP stack is what you would want. i.e. Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP
15:58<@mquatrani>https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/lamp-on-centos-7
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15:59<ang_>mquatrani: can you please get someone to look at ticket #8313542
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15:59<BigKahuna>so should i ditch the setup ?
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16:00<@mquatrani>ang_: I'll see what I can do for you :)
16:01<ang_>ty
16:01<@mquatrani>BigKahuna: It's really up to you. Your setup is fine, it's just going to be a matter of how you choose to migrate your site
16:01<@mquatrani>ang_: np!
16:02<@mquatrani>BigKahuna: tbh I would just recommend diving right in. If you run into trouble, you can certainly open a support ticket and our team will do our best to assist you
16:02<BigKahuna>@mquatrani : thanks ! , ill give my best try haha
16:03<@mquatrani>awesome! !point BigKahuna
16:03<@mquatrani>!point BigKahuna
16:03<linbot>mquatrani: Access denied.
16:03<@mquatrani>heh
16:03<@mquatrani>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:03<millisa>!point BigKahuna
16:03<linbot>millisa: Access denied.
16:03<millisa>oh noes!
16:05<BigKahuna>heh thx
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16:24<jose>do you speak Spanish
16:24<millisa>most of us don't
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16:26<BigKahuna>how can I talk privately with someone from the channel
16:26<BigKahuna>?¿
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16:34<Mohamed_Hamed>hi
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16:34<Mohamed_Hamed>hello
16:34<ponas>hello
16:34<Mohamed_Hamed>we are a service provider corporate
16:35<Mohamed_Hamed>partner for Microsoft and Symantec and VMware
16:35<Mohamed_Hamed>one of our customer is intrested in your hosting plan
16:36<Mohamed_Hamed>but he need us to manage the service for him as he could not accept invoices for online companies
16:37<Mohamed_Hamed>now I see that you dont have any way to create account for reseller , isnt it?
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16:37<ponas>Mohamed_Hamed: there's no special reseller account, but you can certainly resell a Linode
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16:38<ponas>Mohamed_Hamed: you can create a sub-account for the customer with access to his linode: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#adding-a-user
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16:41<br_user>wow, seems a lot of people around
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16:56<Mohamed_Hamed>I have another qoustion
16:56<Mohamed_Hamed>do you have any further payment method other than visa card
16:56<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
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18:08<arlen>dwfreed: mind if i pm?
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18:17<dwfreed>arlen: go for it
18:17<dwfreed>(staff are pretty much open PM, and I know you anyway)
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18:19<cFoem>hello!
18:19<arlen>hi
18:19<synfinatic>howdy even
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18:21<cFoem>I am curious about if Linode offers PTR record updates or if that is something we can take care of on our own?
18:21<millisa>yes to both.
18:21<millisa>Here's how: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/setting-reverse-dns
18:22<dwfreed>you can set your rDNS yourself using the Linode Manager or API; note that the corresponding A or AAAA record must already exist
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18:23<tinfoilwizard>hey i have a few questions about functionality provided by linode,... one is: can i import a virtual machine that i've made with virtualbox which has full disk encryption?
18:23<cFoem>Ah, thats great! I'm used to having to go ask the for it from the support section on other hosts. Thanks for the information!
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18:28<tinfoilwizard>hello? is anyone here?
18:28<millisa>I haven't done it, but there are ways of running custom distributions. https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/
18:29<tinfoilwizard>are you linode staff?
18:29<arlen>!ops
18:29<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
18:30<tinfoilwizard>i'm asking because amazon ec2 as far as i can tell doesn't support importing fully encrypted virtual machines
18:30<millisa>it might be easier to just do the full disk encryption on the linode itself: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/full-disk-encryption
18:30<tinfoilwizard>not really; i'm doing this as a step in deployment
18:31<tinfoilwizard>solutions like docker don't actually the complete state of a system
18:31<tinfoilwizard>*don't let me control
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18:33<@jchun>tinfoilwizard : you can dd a fully encrypted disk over to your Linode if you want.
18:33<tinfoilwizard>sweet
18:34<tinfoilwizard>can you point me to the most recent relevant docs for that?
18:35<@jchun>it's worth noting that a lot of our built-in features won't work should you choose to upload a custom disk like that
18:35<tinfoilwizard>also, my application has a cron job which runs every 15 minutes or so and sends some messages. what can i do to minimize my server costs?
18:36<arlen>there wouldn't be any extra costs for that
18:37<@jchun>The link from millisa above is actually pretty handy. You can follow them directly to set up LUKS or you can do it on a local VM and dd the entire disk over following this guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/install-a-custom-distribution-on-a-linode
18:37<@jchun>cron jobs would be configured internal to your Linode, so that's not something we control.
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18:39<tinfoilwizard>are there any good quality statistics on linode reliability versus ec2?
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18:51<HoopyCat>i used to keep track of it, but it boils down to "pretty damn good"
18:52<synfinatic>off the cuff, i'd say my linode has been more reliable then ec2, but i also had more ec2 instances. that said, less things to go wrong vs. AWS, but also less features
18:52<HoopyCat>single points of failure will always get you of course
18:56<synfinatic>murphy's law is in effect everywhere
18:59<arlen>dammit murphy
19:00<Peng>Regardless of who's actually more reliable, Linode employs support people and sysadmins. You won't really get that from Amazon.
19:01<Peng>If something breaks, Linode will try to fix it, and tell you.
19:01<Peng>Amazon will charge you for both pieces. :P
19:02<HoopyCat>amazon does hella great post mortems tho
19:02<Peng>True!
19:02<synfinatic>i wouldn't fully agree with that statement. I will say at my last company we paid $20K/mo for enterprise support with AWS and generally speaking the support I get for my single Linode is at least as good, if not better
19:03<synfinatic>especially for low priority things
19:03<Peng>Yeah. I ldidn't mention the infinite money cheat code.
19:03<synfinatic>linode is definitely a lot better
19:03<Eugene>I am also in the "don't bother paying for AWS support" camp. Either you are a small-fish and they don't care about your problems, or you're too big to migrate and they don't care about your problems.
19:04<synfinatic>that wasn't my experience at all
19:04<synfinatic>weekly meetings with our TAM. Worked with them to make sure the new features they were adding were useful to us, etc
19:04<synfinatic>but yeah, our AWS spend was "a lot"
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19:14<Abdullah>hello
19:14<Abdullah>anyone here
19:14<synfinatic>just ~370
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19:14<synfinatic>!ask
19:14<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
19:15<Abdullah>well i jest opened an account but i cant do anything and i waited for houres !?
19:15<Abdullah>what should i do ?
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19:16<synfinatic>yeah, it can take a while for them to validate your info before they enable the account
19:16<arlen>check your spam folder
19:16<Abdullah>can you tell me how long it may take ?
19:17<synfinatic>less time then it takes Apple to reset your AppleID password :)
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19:18<synfinatic>it seems to take a few minutes to "hours". not "days"
19:18<Abdullah>what kind of email i will get ?
19:19<Abdullah>its more then 3 hours;
19:19<arlen>if needed - one asking for more info to verify your account
19:19<arlen>could try emailing them or calling
19:19<Abdullah>what is the email address for contacting thm
19:19<Abdullah>them?
19:20<Abdullah>thanks
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19:43<Eugene>What are the cool kids using to write code nowadays? I've heard a lot about Atom, some sort of web-based editor, don't understand beyond "its a web browser".
19:43<synfinatic>vim
19:44<Eugene>Yeah me too
19:45<synfinatic>when I want to be really fancy... macvim
19:45<synfinatic>but it sucks on large files
19:46<synfinatic>fg
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20:00<FluffyFoxeh>vim for me too
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20:01<FluffyFoxeh>nano if it's really quick and dirty
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20:02<tinfoilwizard>so as a security measure i currently use amazon's security groups to manage which IP addresses are permitted to access my server
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20:03<tinfoilwizard>i don't know how the implement that on the backend but i'm assuming that they have "good" firewalls which are likely to be independent of my server
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20:03<tinfoilwizard>although i can imagine doing something similar on linode by simply managing an iptables firewall,
20:03<tinfoilwizard>i kind of don't trust myself to properly secure my server
20:04<tinfoilwizard>does linode offer some form of similar web-administered, system-independent firewall?
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20:12<arlen>tinfoilwizard: no
20:14<synfinatic>tinfoilwizard checkout something like ufw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall
20:14<tinfoilwizard>am i right that ec2 handles the firewall independently?
20:15<tinfoilwizard>the problem with ufw is that if i screw something up,
20:15<tinfoilwizard>i'm hosed
20:15<synfinatic>not really
20:15<@jchun>You actually are fine. We have something called Lish (OOB console)
20:15<synfinatic>yeah lish
20:16<synfinatic>i was using lish yesterday because I suck at /etc/network/interfaces
20:16<@jchun>or Glish (if you are using a custom distro and don't have serial connections set up.
20:16<synfinatic>nothing like adding an IPv6 address and loosing all your ipv4 addresses!
20:17<tinfoilwizard>but with lish, i'm still depending on my own machine to act as a firewall
20:17<tinfoilwizard>right?
20:17<tinfoilwizard>because i whitelist specific ips for security
20:19<@jchun>Yes, you would be depending on your own machine to act as a firewall.
20:20<tinfoilwizard>so then i'm on call 24/7 for keeping my machine patched
20:20<arlen>welcome to sysadmin life
20:21<tinfoilwizard>nah
20:21<tinfoilwizard>24/7 management = bad engineering
20:21<arlen>so you didn't update your ec2 instances?
20:21<tinfoilwizard>never an emergency = correct engineering
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20:29<IlPicasso>A question, linode has ddos protection?
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20:30<arlen>they have big pipes, but they'll nullroute your ip if it starts impacting other customers
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21:15<xyhs>pptpd server cannot link
21:15<xyhs>Is it banned?
21:16<arlen>nope
21:18<xyhs>thanks
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