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00:08<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Problem Glish GUI access to desktop <>
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03:11<castro>hi sir
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03:12<castro>my site is down URL:
03:12<castro>I could not able to access my SFT, SSH
03:13<arlen>try lish
03:13<castro>Sever status showing "Powered Off" in linode dashboard. Please help me to reslove this issue
03:14<arlen>click the boot button?
03:14<castro>i tried boot button, but server not running
03:14<Peng>What happened after you clicked the boot button?
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03:15<castro>its booting the server then showing status "Powered Off"
03:16<Peng>So it tries to boot, and then fails? What error message does it show?
03:17<castro>not showing any error message, Host Job Queue all showing success status message
03:18<castro>i think this is the error message "Network Helper did not run: could not determine distribution or distribution version "
03:20<castro>Are you there?
03:24<castro>hi sir please help me
03:27<Peng>I don't know how to fix Network Helper issues.
03:27<Peng>You could turn it off.
03:27<Peng>You could file a support ticket.
03:28<Celti>I would suggest filing a support ticket in any case, because I don't believe Network Helper failures should prevent booting from completing.
03:30<castro>is it possible to resore my server with source files of my website?
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03:39<ice>hi there
03:39<ice>is there any linode support here ?
03:39<Peng>Sometimes. This is largely a community channel. Why do you ask?
03:40<castro>Hi peng, is it possible to resore my server with source files of my website?
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03:40<Peng>castro: I'm not sure what you mean.
03:41<castro>i am not able to boot my server Peng
03:41<Peng>castro: If you have backups, sure, you can use your backups. But that probably wouldn't fix the network helper issue.
03:41<castro>then what is the solution, i raised support ticket also but no response
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03:42<Peng>You could turn it off.
03:42<castro>which one i need to turn off peng
03:42<Peng>I don't know how to fix Network Helper issues.
03:42<Peng>castro: Network Helper. In the configuration profile.
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03:43<castro>then fuck off peng, I think linode server is waste
03:43*Peng raises eyebrow
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03:44<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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04:19<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Longview: Your system's clock is slow. Please ensure that ntp is installed and running. <>
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04:25<arlen>that thread again :-/
04:27<millisa>top. tip.
04:27<Zimsky><castro> then fuck off peng, I think linode server is waste
04:27<Zimsky>I share half that feeling
04:28*Zimsky lowers peng's eyebrows
04:29<Zimsky>don't raise them too long, you'll pull a muscle
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05:43<Guest552>i would like to host my site on linode server
05:43<millisa>sounds good to me
05:43<Guest552>but i have some doubt on the billing
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05:43<Guest552>please tell me about your billing terms and conditions
05:44<millisa>This covers most billing concerns:
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05:45<Guest552>let me check it
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05:45<Guest552>i like to proceed with 10$ plan
05:46<millisa>sounds good to me
05:46<Woet>go ahead.
05:46<Guest552>what will happen if datatransfer exceeds
05:46<Woet>[11:44:20] <millisa> This covers most billing concerns:
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05:47<millisa>should be down in the transfer overages section
05:50<Guest552>can i host my java application to this server?
05:50<Guest552>is there is any compactibility issuess?
05:50<Woet>Guest552: do you know what Linode sells?
05:51<Guest552>i found your referece form internet
05:51<Woet>so thats a no?
05:51<Woet>shouldn't you figure out what a company is selling before you buy it?
05:51<grawity>Woet: after recent Ocaml incompatibilities with some intel CPUs, I wouldn't be too surprised if some hosting company somewhere *did* have compat issues with a complex program
05:52<Woet>grawity: show me a single thing that was affected besides that edge case in ocaml.
05:52<Guest552>thats why i am aking you
05:52<Woet>Guest552: Linode sells unmanaged Linux VPSes (optionally managed for $100 USD a month)
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05:56<varun___>can i install java web server on 10$ plan
05:56<Woet>welcome back Guest552
05:56<Woet>do you know what Linode sells?
05:56<varun___>yes .
05:56<grawity>Woet: ehh you mean ocaml doesn't count as a thing?
05:56<Woet>varun___: then you know the answer
05:57<Woet>grawity: its an extremely rare edge case, so yea.
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05:58<Zimsky><Woet> shouldn't you figure out what a company is selling before you buy it?
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06:18<devdarsh>it is possible again to enable password authentication after SSH password authentication?
06:18<devdarsh>after disabling SSH password authentication
06:19<devdarsh>for secured SSH
06:22<devdarsh>Can I login via SSH after: Disallow root logins over SSH
06:23<devdarsh>for uodates, upgrades, etc?
06:23<grawity>sure, as long as you log in to an account that's not "root"
06:23<millisa>you could login as a user with sudo privs. or su after you get logged in as a non-root user
06:23<grawity>if you don't have any yet, research `useradd` and/or `adduser`
06:23<devdarsh>oh ok. thanks
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06:42<devdarsh>Create an Authentication Key-pair:
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06:42<devdarsh>it is possible to create multiple key-pair on multiple systems?
06:43<devdarsh>for example one for Mac and one for Linux?
06:43<devdarsh>oh ok
06:47<Zimsky>you can create 1728 key pairs if you like
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07:00<devdarsh>I created a limited user and added the user to sudo group
07:01<devdarsh>and checked sudo -l
07:01<devdarsh>User devdarsh may run the following commands on localhost: (ALL : ALL) ALL
07:01<devdarsh>is this still safe?
07:03<Zimsky>nothing is safe
07:04<devdarsh>I just want to confirm that I am doing correct
07:05<devdarsh>from documentation
07:05<devdarsh>Up to this point, you have accessed your Linode as the root user, which has unlimited privileges and can execute any command–even one that could accidentally disrupt your server
07:05<devdarsh>so created a limited user account
07:06<devdarsh>to confirm is that limited: User devdarsh may run the following commands on localhost: (ALL : ALL) ALL
07:06<devdarsh>because it says All
07:11<GlennS>I think I may have found a bug in the v4 API
07:11<GlennS>it's quite small
07:11<GlennS>is it best to 1) discuss in here, 2) make an issue, 3) make a pull request or 4) some combination of these?
07:12<GlennS>the problem is here
07:12<GlennS>I think data=disks should be data={ "disks": disks }
07:13<GlennS>and the consequence is that calling instance.rescue(disk1_id, disk2_id) ignores the disks at the moment (I think)
07:15<GlennS>actually, no, I'm just wrong and misread the code, never mind
07:16<GlennS>sorry about that
07:16<@armiller>GlennS: It's cool, we are glad to see you care
07:16<Zimsky>cool beans man
07:17<@armiller>The best way to get something taken care of is to open an issue if you don't think you can fix it yourself and a pull request if you think you can
07:17<@armiller>We do look at stuff here from time to time, but this is mostly the community chat so stuff can get lost
07:17<GlennS>ok, no problem
07:22<GlennS>and actually it looks like I was right after all - I will make a pull request
07:30<Zimsky>if it's an internal vulnerability thing there's an email address and a pgp key iirc
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08:12<Haris>hello all
08:12<Haris>on my recent linode, the kernel doesn't have nf_conntrack_ftp support. how to get it ?
08:13<Haris>its usually built in-to the kernel pkg
08:13<Haris>need it for managing passive ftp connection(s)
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08:14<Nightmeare>you can change kernel i settnings
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08:15<Haris>umm.. where in settings ?
08:15<MrPPS>Haris: you can switch to boot grub2 + use distro supplied kernel
08:15<MrPPS>(it's in the "profile" for your linode)
08:15<Haris>at this point, I'd need to ask what's the difference between both kernels' ?
08:15<Haris>other than this
08:16<MrPPS>Linode's kernel has the options they believe to be the most regularly used (I would presume), but they provide the option to run your own kernel so you can include features that wouldn't otherwise be
08:16<MrPPS>or so you can build your own DKMS kernel modules, etc.
08:16<MrPPS>or use docker, etc etc. I use distro-supplied kernel for all of mine these days
08:17<|Night|>same, then modify in docker
08:17<|Night|>pitty it would be madness to move my plex server to linode
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08:19<MrPPS>Haha, yeah, my media box is still on a dedi due to sheer storage space size
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08:20<|Night|>i kille the SSD i use for caching, only lasted a year, with 200TB written
08:21<Haris>settings ?
08:23<|Night|>MrPPS:  do you host your plex at home or dedicated hosted?
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08:24<Haris>the stock kernel is not mentioned there
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08:25<|Night|>you have a few options, you can build your own kernel from source with your needed mods
08:25<|Night|>or try a stock kernel, non linode
08:25<MrPPS>Haris: GRUB2 is the one which uses the installed/stock kernel, or your own kernel if you choose too
08:26<MrPPS>|Night|: no plex for me, just subsonic
08:26<Haris>wierd <--- was spelled this way. Now-a-days the english all over the globe are writing it as weird
08:26<MrPPS>but on a dedicated box external; I don't have anything at home large enough to run it
08:26<MrPPS>only an rpi2 at the moment
08:26<MrPPS>and a mini ITX box
08:27<|Night|>Intel Xeon E5-2670 v3 with 64G mem here
08:27<Haris>which setting gives the base distro kernel in Linode settings ?
08:27<Haris>the default one from centos is not listed there
08:27<|Night|>which centos ?
08:27<MrPPS>Haris: GRUB2
08:28<MrPPS>|Night|: At home? Nice :)
08:28<Haris>ah grub2
08:28<Haris>this will require a reboot
08:28<MrPPS>It will, yes
08:28<|Night|>MrPPS:  in my basement yes. to havy to move...
08:28<MrPPS>Also, keep in mind, it depends on how recently your machine was deployed as to whether it has the kernel installed, or whether that needs to be done
08:28<MrPPS>as a separate step
08:29<MrPPS>|Night|: If I had a basement, I certainly would; unfortunately I'm in small renatl units at the moment
08:29<|Night|>simple enough to do kernel update outside of linod gui
08:29<|Night|>MrPPS:  so do I but i have a bastment storagespace with just magicly one day has a fiber cable in it
08:30<MrPPS>haha, brilliant
08:30<|Night|>no one is stupid enough to cut a bright read cevlar cable
08:30<Haris>My linode was deployed 2-3 days ago
08:31<|Night|>Haris:  you should be on newest kernel then, try that MrPPS said with grub2, if not download kernel from centos and install yourself
08:32<MrPPS>Yep - only time I've had issues if it was a linode deployed say 3 years ago that never came with the kernel package installed :) Otherwise it's a straight switch
08:32<Haris>Package kernel-3.10.0-514.26.2.el7.x86_64 already installed and latest version
08:32<Haris>Nothing to do
08:32<MrPPS>ezy peezy
08:32<|Night|>which centos are you running?
08:33<Haris>latest provided by linode
08:33<Haris>CentOS Linux release 7.3.1611 (Core)
08:33<|Night|>grab a new kernel from and install
08:33<Haris>there's no centos 8 yet ?
08:34<Haris>maybe in the labs. not in production though
08:34<|Night|>neah typo from my end
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08:34<Haris>I have no customer requirement(s) to want the latest kernel though. the stock from centos would do for me
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08:35<Haris>plus I'm hoping it'd have a relatvely smaller mem footprint
08:36<|Night|>dont run sap then
08:37<|Night|>been a long time since i used nf_conntrack_ftp but can you not side load it?
08:40<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • reddit effect and my vps gets unusable <>
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08:56<dancryer>Hello - Sorry if this isn't appropriate here, but what's the "accepted" amount of time to expect a response to a support ticket these days?
08:56<dancryer>I used to get a response within minutes, but recently it's taking hours, which is problematic.
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08:58<|Night|>if you don't mind what did you ask help with? perhaps someone in here can help you
08:59<dancryer>This time, an IP transfer
08:59<dancryer>Last time, a server transfer from one account to another
09:00<|Night|>on same dc?
09:00<grawity>I'd say it varies depending on the ticket; stuff *does* seem to take longer these days, but I haven't filed enough tickets to worry about it
09:00<dancryer>@Night yes
09:00<|Night|>same contery?
09:01<dancryer>I know I can do it myself if it's a secondary IP, but the server I am moving it from only has one public IP
09:01<dancryer>so the new cloud manager thing doesn't let me do it
09:01<dancryer>Same DC, same country, both in London.
09:01<|Night|>should be doable, to move an ip from US datacenter to Asia is another thing
09:01<|Night|>assign a private ip to it then move the public?
09:02<dancryer>That doesn't work- the error message says there has to be at least one public IP left after the transfer
09:02<dancryer>which is odd, I'd have thought they'd have been pleased to have a server w/ no public IPv4
09:02<dancryer>but alas.
09:03<|Night|>old school :p
09:03<dancryer>Anywho - As is always the way, the moment you complain someone answers anyway (presumably unrelated)
09:03<dancryer>so it's all sorted!
09:03<dancryer>thanks anyway guys. :)
09:19<|Night|>but i do agree with him Ipv6 only servers would be fun
09:20<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Set up web domain after following linode guide for odoo <> || Email/SMTP Related Forum • stat=Deferred: Connection refused by <>
09:32<dwfreed>dancryer: IP swap works with the primary IP too
09:32<dancryer>dwfreed: Only if there's another public IP though...
09:33<dancryer>correction: public IPv4.
09:33<dwfreed>why do you need your IP changed?
09:33<dancryer>I was merging two client servers, but I don't have access to their DNS
09:33<dancryer>so I wanted to point both IPs to the same server
09:33<dancryer>and then shut down the now-unused server
09:34<dwfreed>having 2 IP s on 1 Linode requires technical justification; just get your client to update their DNS
09:34<dwfreed>s/IP s/IPs/
09:34<dancryer>It's already sorted :)
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10:04<dand>If I have a master DNS domain for, can I define a master domain for too?
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10:06<|Night|>Add an a /aaaa/cname record
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10:07<dand>|Night|: if I add a/aaaa record for
10:08<dand>will it catch or only
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10:14<dand>|Night|: seems to be possible to create another zone
10:14<dand>for the subdomain
10:22<dwfreed>yes, you can make another zone
10:23<|Night|>Only sub
10:23<|Night|>What is your goal?
10:24<dwfreed>presumably to have a wildcard under
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10:25<dwfreed>because unless they've finally fixed that, the DNS manager does not allow '*.sub' as a record name, only '*', so you have to make a separate zone for sub
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10:25<|Night|>Tired dns manager for less than a minute to
10:26<|Night|>Found out it does not support my needs
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10:28<dwfreed>|Night|: what are your needs?
10:29<dand>dwfreed: yes. that's my use case
10:29<dand>I have domain and zone. I want * on another IP
10:29<dand>so I'll create another zone
10:30<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Set up web domain after following linode guide for odoo <>
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10:41<|Night|>dwfreed: CAA records for one
10:41<|Night|>everyone needs t hat by september 8 to be able to get issued new SSL
10:41<dwfreed>[citation needed]
10:44<dwfreed>my reading of the ballot is that if a CAA record exists and specifies a specific issuer, then other issuers cannot issue certs; I don't see any requirement that a CAA record must exist
10:46<|Night|>my understanding from the RFC and talking to CAs that they will check for the record if not present not issue
10:46<dwfreed>you know how many DNS platforms *don't* support CAA?
10:46<dwfreed>most of them
10:47<dwfreed>anyway, you can host a hidden master server with CAA records, and slave Linode off that
10:47<|Night|>and you are right they have a job to do
10:48<|Night|>cloudflare just added it a few weeks back and tells users to also add conomdca
10:53<HoopyCat>"If there is no CAA record, then the CA can issue.
10:57<HoopyCat>so yeah, my reading is that a lack of CAA record is treated as permission to issue, e.g. nothing will change from current status quo if you don't have a CAA record
10:58<dwfreed>HoopyCat: looking closely at the text, missing CAA + valid DNSSEC means issue forbidden, I think, but other than that, yeah, missing CAA means anybody can issue
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11:03<HoopyCat>the RFC isn't particularly clear about what happens if there is no CAA record, but the "If such a record set exists" in RFC 6844 section 4 paragraph 1 sentence 2 implies that non-existence of CAA records is not within scope of the CA processing
11:05<HoopyCat>in other words, a compliant CA can decide whether or not to issue if there's no CAA record (and, if DNSSEC is present, there is valid proof of non-existence)
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11:06<HoopyCat>nothing in this proposal as i read it (before having had coffee) prohibits a CA from turning money into blessed bits unless explicitly prohibited by a CAA record
11:13<dwfreed>HoopyCat: see the cabforum link at "CAs are permitted to treat a record lookup failure as permission to issue if:"
11:13<hawk>Yes, pretty sure the whole CAA thing is backwards compatible in the sense that nothing special happens until you have CAA in place
11:14<hawk>dwfreed: Record lookup failure doesn't sound like NODATA to me
11:14<hawk>dwfreed: That sounds more like no response / FORMERR / SERVFAIL
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11:16<JorgerPaz> It is possible to add more disk space to servers?
11:17<JorgerPaz> It is possible to add more disk space to servers
11:17<DrJ>currently no
11:17<DrJ>in the near future, yes
11:17<HoopyCat>dwfreed: the statement of intent indicates that "it allows a DNS domain name holder to...", and that the intent is to "prevent issuance if a CAA record is found which..."
11:17<hawk>|Night|: It appears you still need to request beta access if you want to do CAA with cloudflare. And they list 3 CAs that you need to add if you want their automatic certificate thing
11:18<DrJ>that was in response to you JorgerPaz
11:19<DrJ>read more here JorgerPaz:
11:19<HoopyCat>JorgerPaz: for production use, the only way is to resize to a larger plan (which also gets you free RAM, CPU, and network transfer). but see also if you're willing to be a test subject
11:19<dwfreed>HoopyCat: yeah, it's interesting
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11:23<HoopyCat>dwfreed: i will agree it's unclear af, but given that it's less than 7 weeks out and doesn't have a CAA record, i think we're probably cool
11:24*dwfreed gets a cert for
11:24<@jhaas>browser consortium vs ready... FIGHT!
11:28<HoopyCat>, the internet's source for IPv4-only, non-DNSSEC, non-CAA-protected ecommerce since 1994
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11:33<HoopyCat>you can tell how much i'm looking forward to working on the bug i'm working on by how willing i am to lawyer a CAB Forum ballot
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12:32<Guest574>Hi. Could somebody tell me how to chat with the technical or sales support_
12:32<Guest574>Hi. Could somebody tell me how to chat with the technical or sales support?
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12:58<dzho>the "chat" button and the "contact support" buttons are *right* *next* to each other.
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13:21<Dave>Question about Linode: is there autoscaling?
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13:35<Jairox>Hi guys, what's up?
13:36<Celti>In IRC, every direction is up.
13:36<Jairox>I hope your help, about the linode plan for 2000 - 5000 users per day.
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13:37<Celti>The best plan for that depends on what the application is. There is no magical one-size-fits-all conversion between users per day and CPU resources.
13:37<Jairox>What is the best plan for this?
13:37<Celti>(Or other resources.)
13:37<Jairox>okay i got it
13:37<Jairox>It's web application
13:39<Celti>One can assume that most applications you would run on a Linode are in some way a web application.
13:40<Jairox>sure, it's a web page with wordpress and consuming web services
13:41<synfinatic>pick a small linode
13:42<Jairox>Thanks guys
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13:59<agentbleu>my pricing for 5usd packages is greyed out, how can i get 5 usd plans
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14:00<Celti>That's... strange. Has your account been verified?
14:00<@jhaas>agentbleu: you're probably still on prepaid billing
14:00<agentbleu>whats that mean
14:01<agentbleu>yes im on prepaid accoriding to panel
14:01<agentbleu>can i not keep that and have the 5 usd too or prepay for it
14:01<@jhaas>newer services like the Linode 1G plans aren't available for pre-paid, in order to use the Linode 1G plan you'd need to change to hourly billing
14:02<agentbleu>how will that affect my excisitng linodes
14:02<@jhaas>the linodes won't change, you'll just get billed after using services; for example you'd get billed on 8/1 for your usage in July
14:03<@jhaas>you would lose any prepaid discounts you have though
14:03<agentbleu>so do i need a new acccount
14:03<agentbleu>to take advanaget of this offer
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14:03<agentbleu>how long has this pricing plan been about then
14:04<@jhaas>you could make a new account if you want, or you can switch your current account over, there's a button to do it in the manager
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14:05<agentbleu>but i dont want to loose my discounts
14:05<agentbleu>if i swaicth will it get more expensisve
14:07<@jhaas>if you switch to hourly you would lose any 10% or 15% discounts; otherwise the pricing is the same
14:07<@jhaas>making a new account might be best for your situation then
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14:11<agentbleu>thanks gues
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14:14<flyfishcyx>Any customer support agent available?
14:14<@mquatrani>How can we help?
14:15<flyfishcyx>It looks like my VPS server has been hacked. Could you please assign my server with another IP address?
14:15<flyfishcyx>Server name/id is linode2845179
14:16<@mquatrani>Hi flyfishcyx: The best thing to do in this situation is open up a support ticket from inside the Linode Manager. We won't be able to take any action on your server until we can get you verified as an account administrator
14:16<flyfishcyx>Thx. I will send an email.
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14:42<samy>am on linode got this error I'm sorry, but you've triggered our Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) prevention measure.
14:42<@caker>try to avoid using the back button on forms. Otherwise, carry on as normal
14:43<samy>ok thankxx
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14:43<samy>what best free panel you guys recommend , am now make my own website and maybe soon i start resell some websites
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15:11<Celti>Note to self: reboot your laptop more than once every two months so you don't forget where the USB stick your drive encryption keys are on lives.
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15:27<Kunda_>hey y'all, how do i list all open apache listening daemons ?
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15:31<Kunda_>using `sudo apachectl fullstatus` doesn't give the the vhost names
15:31<Kunda_>ah got it: apache2 -S
15:32<jcanto>or httpd -S
15:33<Kunda_>i don't see a vhost in that list that still is working!
15:33<Kunda_>i'm trying to figure out how i redirected a domain and how to undo it
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15:35<Kunda_>jcanto, the site is not actually enabled in the a2ensite command completion. and its not listed in httpd -S
15:35<Kunda_>but it works
15:36<Kunda_>so if it's aliased, where did i do that ?
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15:36<jcanto>did u verify the DNS?
15:37<jcanto>r u really sure the site is pointing to ur server?
15:37<Kunda_>'s linode Nameservers
15:39<Celti>Linode nameservers can still direct a site somewhere besides Linode.
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15:51<Kunda_>Celti, how do i ascertain if the nameserver is doing that ?
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15:56<jcanto>Kunda_ which domain is listed and which is not?
15:56<Kunda_> is listed
15:56<Kunda_> isn't
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15:57<Kunda_>but it looks like somaticjourney is pointing at a page in by what loads when I browse to it
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15:57<Kunda_>because that index.html is not in
15:57<dwfreed>more likely what's happening is that is the default vhost
15:58<Kunda_>like a catch-all vhost ?
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15:58<MajObviousman>dat naming
15:58<Kunda_>So if I enabled on apache it should work
15:59<Kunda_>MajObviousman, heh
15:59<MajObviousman>you'll certainly be unique
15:59<Kunda_>thank you, your nick check out
15:59*MajObviousman has fulfilled his duties yet again
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16:01<Kunda_>how do i run a test on a virtual host file to see if it's syntactically correct ?
16:02<MajObviousman>if you are using apache, then apachectl -S
16:02<drdiotte>Has anyone tried to use "Custom Distro on KVM guide" I got all the way till i start to install and now I am getting this error "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again." Staff was very helpful up to this point but now "Troubleshooting this is a bit beyond our expertise as sideloading distributions like this is oustide what we support
16:02<MajObviousman>if you are using nginx, then it's nginx -t something
16:02<MajObviousman>oh, nginx -T
16:02<MajObviousman>and if you're using something else, well, google for it
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16:04<MajObviousman>drdiotte: I've wanted to try it for a while now, but haven't made the time
16:04<Kunda_>i see, for apachectl -S i need to enable the site first but not restart apache yet
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16:04<MajObviousman>apachectl -S will do a read/parse of the config and then tell you what it found
16:05<drdiotte>It was rough for me getting this far... i am new to it all but its een fun learning sofar lol
16:05<MajObviousman>sounds like Linux From Scratch
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16:07<kmcd>Hi! Quick question about the maximum number of Linode instances ...
16:08<Woet>not very quick so far
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16:08<kmcd>Is there a limit on the number of number of instances your can provision?
16:08<dwfreed>kmcd: The only limit is yourself at Linodecom
16:08<dwfreed>(and your wallet)
16:09<kmcd>dwfreed: :) Seriously, no quotas?
16:09<kmcd>That's great!
16:09<dwfreed>you're limited to creating 150 linodes per hour, iirc (may be higher, I forget), but there's no count limit
16:10<dwfreed>obviously if the bill comes and you can't pay, there's going to be problems
16:10<drdiotte>i have some old software that will not run on 64 bit that is why i was trying to install like that...
16:10*MajObviousman snicker at Woet
16:10<kmcd>Ah ok, couldn't find any reference to limits or quotas in the docs
16:10*Woet twixes at MajObviousman
16:10<millisa>remember when you'd check to see how many instances of each type were available at each location? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
16:11<kmcd>I'm looking to run a parallel CI service
16:11<kmcd>So each build could have anything from 100-500+ VM's
16:11<kmcd>Each VM would only be up for around 15 seconds though
16:12<kmcd>Enough to run the test & report back
16:13<millisa>that'd probably still bill an hour for each
16:13<MajObviousman>millisa: man it's been a while since I've even thought about that
16:13<MajObviousman>I assume they just have "enough" hardware sitting around and ready to go
16:14<kmcd>An hour? I thought Linode pro-rated to the minute or second ...
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16:14<millisa>not that I know of. pretty sure it's billed at the hour.
16:14<MajObviousman>you might be thinking of another IaaS service
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16:16<Woet>kmcd: no, definitely not
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16:17<millisa>and in the case of the 1 and 2gb instance, it's rounded up to the nearest cent.
16:20<kmcd>Thanks all - yep confirmed with Linode customer service: billing is pro-rated to the hour
16:20<kmcd>Bit of a show stopper for my use case :(
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16:23<MajObviousman>your use case induces an asston of churn, and you-- nevermind
16:23<MajObviousman>"I only want to pay for the seconds I'm actually using the system."
16:24<MajObviousman>well, you're using it during provisioning, and provisioning thrashes the on-host disks. And then you want to do this repeatedly, many times per minute. No.
16:24<MajObviousman>rearchitect your product dude
16:24*MajObviousman speaks to the air
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16:46<dand>linode has this iptables rule in the article
16:46<dand>-A INPUT ! -i lo -s -j REJECT
16:46<dand>old slicehost has this rule:
16:46<dand>-A INPUT ! -i lo -d -j REJECT
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16:46<dand>one of them is wrong?
16:52<dwfreed>it is impossible in Linode's network for a packet to come in the network interface with an address in 127/8
16:53<dwfreed>so the slicehost rule would never match
16:53<dwfreed>Linode's rule can match in the case of forged source
16:53<dand>helpful answer
16:53<dand>much better than what I'm getting from #networking :)
16:57<dwfreed>#networking is not aware that Linode's network prevents Linodes from receiving traffic that is not destined for them
16:58<dwfreed>(unless there's somebody there who's a linode customer and knows this)
16:59<dand>dwfreed: is it special in linode?
16:59<dand>what about other clouds? aws, gcp...?
16:59<dwfreed>AWS you're in your own private VLAN
16:59<dwfreed>dunno about GCP
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17:10<dand>dwfreed: what is a forged source?
17:10<dand>how can it happen?
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17:19<dwfreed>dand: attackers can create packets with a fake source address
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21:00<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
21:01<Eugene>dwfreed - is it? I have gotten forged sorces into Linode's network for 10/8.....
21:01<Eugene>I'm pretty certain they drop that at the edge now, but only pretty certain. That's not good enough for firewall paranoia
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21:02<dwfreed>Eugene: forged source, not forged destination
21:02<dwfreed>Eugene: slicehost's rule is forged destination
21:02<dwfreed>Eugene: and you can't forge source from your Linode
21:02<Eugene>dwfreed - yes, forged source. I had a misconfigured NAT device that was sendinfg RFC1918-source packets to the itnernet, which were dutifully routed to my Linode
21:03<dwfreed>yes, which is why I said Linode's suggestion was fine
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21:03<dwfreed>but routers reply with RFC1918 all the time
21:03<dwfreed>see your MTRs to fremont Linodes
21:03<Eugene>I was referring to the assertion that "it is impossible" for a packet to be 127/8
21:03<Eugene>I don't know if that's actually true
21:03<Eugene>A linux kernel won't forward that packet, but AFAIK Linode uses Cisco for the core
21:04<dwfreed>it is impossible for the *destination* to be 127/8 and actually come in on your Linode's network interface
21:04<dwfreed>read what I wrote
21:04<dwfreed>it is impossible for slicehost's rule to match on a Linode
21:08<Eugene>Destination, true. I didn't see that in your statement, but I do see it in the iptables rules
21:08<Eugene>Standing question: what are the Bogon'ed IP blocks at the LInode ASN edge?
21:09<Eugene>IE, what IPs can/can't I talk to? 224/16+ ?
21:10<Eugene>Do you have a block in place for RFC2544 space(
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22:59<eric>Hi is this linode?
22:59<eric>Linode support?
22:59<arlen>community support
22:59<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
22:59<eric>Ok thanks.
23:00<eric>i got this email today
23:00<eric>The filesystem “/” mounted at “/” reached “warn” status because you currently use 82.58% of its available blocks. Notification Type: warn ⚠ Server: Primary IP Address: Filesystem: / Mount Point: / Percent Used: 82.58% Disk Block Usage: Used: 73.09 GB Available: 16.42 GB Total: 94.31 GB ChkServd Version: 17.0 Configure system disk usage notifications: https://li220-7.members.lino
23:00<eric>it sais that I am 80% disc capacity
23:00<eric>i'm just wondering how I find out what site is using all of that space?
23:00<eric>as I thought the site son this server were low use
23:00<millisa>I like using 'ncdu' at the root
23:00<eric>ah ok what does that command do?
23:01<millisa>gives a pretty interface for 'du'
23:01<eric>ah ok
23:01<millisa>it's like 'windirstat' . .sort of
23:01<eric>and do you know how I can find out what site / account on my server is consuming all this space?
23:02<arlen>by using that command
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