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00:00<Peng>jaytoms: You need to upgrade eventually, but it probably doesn't matter much for performance. Some applications might be faster, or slower.
00:00<arlen>!to montigny34 ask
00:00<linbot>montigny34: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
00:00<Peng>But who knows.
00:00<montigny34>what does !to mean?
00:00<montigny34>in my head that means not to
00:00<arlen>make linbot highlight you
00:00<ponas>actually if you run PHP sites and don't have PHP7 installed from a PPA you could see a nice performance boost by going to 16.04 + PHP7
00:01<montigny34>oh well i did ask my question!
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00:01<arlen>to answer that question then, yes there are real life sysadmins in here
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00:02<jaytoms>ponas : is upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04 pretty easy or are there things that i have to watch out for if i'm already using php 7
00:02<montigny34>would any sysadmins be willing to consult with me on my project to find the most secure way to do it? I'm willing to pay / exchange services
00:02<ponas>jaytoms: I can't remember any major issues, it really depends on how much "custom" stuff you have installed
00:03<ponas>if most of your packages are from ubuntu repos you should be fine
00:03<ponas>e.g. if you are running PHP7 from a PPA now, consider switching to the official from the ubuntu repos
00:03<jaytoms>I do have some custom stuff like imagemagik but not much else
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00:06<veecious_>I can attest that PHP 7 + 16.04 is a pretty noticeable improvement over 5 + 14.04, you should definitely upgrade
00:06<ponas>I take care to do upgrades when I have time to fix issues that pop up. it mostly just works however
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00:09<MrPPS>montigny34: yeah, probably most of us in here are sysadmins
00:10<MrPPS>But, not everyone freelances :)
00:10<MrPPS>What is your project?
00:10<jaytoms>ponas : for php7 can you tell me if your zend opcache is disabled?
00:14<ponas>I don't have it enabled, but I probably should. Used it on older systems without issues though
00:15<ponas>just make sure you have enough RAM available
00:16<ponas>you might want to try this if you haven't already:
00:17<ponas>unless you feel your backend is the bottleneck, the frontend is usually what you want to optimize to make the site load faster for users
00:17<montigny34>MrPPS: creating a server for shared hosting
00:19<ponas>for shared hosting I'd probably leave opcache disabled... maybe
00:19<montigny34>my issue is how to add sftp users using a php form without making it unsecure
00:20<MrPPS>PHP is outside of my realm of expertise :) BUt yes, a good question to tackle for sure
00:20<montigny34>PHP just executes a bash script
00:21<montigny34>after that php is not used for anything else lol
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00:34<montigny34>pones: would you have any idea on the best approach?
00:34<Ash_>Can anyone here advise me on how many static V4 IP addresses are being offered with every linode?
00:34<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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00:35<montigny34>ponas: **
00:35<ponas>montigny34: validate you need to validate in PHP,
00:35<montigny34>is it possible to send private messages here?
00:36<ponas>or consider using some webmin/cpanel-like reselling solution
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00:36<ponas>to avoid having to reinvent all the wheels
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00:40<arlen>montigny34: yes /msg nick
00:40<MrPPS>montigny34: it is; what client are you using?
00:40<MrPPS>the /msg nick will work on any client
00:40<MrPPS>but some you can also click/double click on the nicknames to message
00:40<arlen>they're using the webchat
00:40<MrPPS>Ah, never used that. No clue what that's like :)
00:41<dcraig>it's pretty wild
00:41<ponas>it's mostly horrible
00:41<arlen>but sometimes real
00:43<dcraig>oh, it's as real as it gets
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00:50<quell>curious about the standard plans, do you have control over the kernel or is that based on the host
00:51<millisa>you can use one of their precompiled kernels or use your own
00:51<quell>sweet, thanks
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00:53<jaytoms>i turned on opcache for php how do i check if my webpage is being served from the cache?
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00:56<MrPPS>Most caching solutions add something to the header; have you checked if there's anything in the header for cache hit/miss?
00:56<Ash_>Can a liniode be upgraded later i.e. if I order my first linode with 4 GB RAM and later I wish to upgrade to 8GB?
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00:56<grawity>Ash_: yes
00:59<Zimsky>but not specific resource allocations
00:59<Zimsky>only the whole plan
01:01<veecious_>i don't think the opcode cache adds anything to the header
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01:12<montigny34>once i install php-fpm do i need anything else to setup pools to include deifferent php.ini files for each virtual host?
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01:13<Ash_>How much does cPanel cost?
01:13<Ash_>I mean cPanel on Linode
01:14<montigny34>cpanel is it's own thing
01:14<montigny34>you must purchase a license through them
01:14<Ash_>I noticed that Managed clients get cPanel via Linode
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01:14<grawity>that'd be part of the Managed price, I guess
01:15<Ash_>Was therefore wondering if cPanel is being offered direct.
01:15<grawity>it's not
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01:17<Zimsky>hah I forgot about that part; "cPanel's FAQ states that the best way to uninstall cPanel is by reformatting the server."
01:18<Ikaros>So even they admit it's overly invasive, more than it needs to be.
01:19<FluffyFoxeh>the best way to uninstall CPanel is to uninstall the whole computer
01:19<FluffyFoxeh>thanks CPanel
01:22<grawity>same applies to most other OSes
01:22<Zimsky>how do you figure?
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01:36<mamun>I am trying to Configure Name-based Virtual Hosts
01:37<mamun>But this command not work sudo service apache2 restart
01:37<mamun>Get error
01:38<Zimsky>did you check the logs?
01:38<Zimsky>what's the error?
01:38<mamun>one min please I will send
01:40<mamun>Restarting web server apache2 [fail] * The apache2 configtest failed. Output of config test was: AH00112: Warning: DocumentRoot [/var/www/html/] does not exist AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message (2)No such file or directory: AH02291: Cannot access dire
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01:42<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • how to use all IPv6 IPs? <>
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01:47<mamun>For deploy image which Ubuntu version use is best?
01:49<mamun>For deploy image which Ubuntu version use is best? Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
01:51<montigny34>mamun: in case you didn't notice it told you that the folder didn't exist
01:54<arlen>mamun: 16.04 most likely
01:55<arlen>unless you're not familiar with systemd and would prefer 14.04 which is still supported by canonical
01:56<mamun><arlen> Thank you
02:10<Peng>supported for less than 2 years...
02:10<Peng>You'll have to systemed eventually >:D
02:13<Peng>(Or use Devuan.)
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02:27<Ikaros>So much hate for systemd, lulz
02:27<Ikaros>I don't see what all the fuss is about tbh
02:28*Peng readies gasoline can
02:28<Ikaros>That's all I have to say on the matter.
02:29<Ikaros>Works for me, doesn't for some others, I get it.
02:29<Ikaros>On that note...
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02:43<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • The Significance About Email Address In The Online Business <>
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03:15<mamun>I forget database name how Can I find database name?
03:17<Zimsky>that would depend on your setup
03:17<Zimsky>it's probably a good idea to write that stuff down
03:33<mamun>I successfully setup wordpress and site run well but I try to connect publice_html folder via Filzila. After connecting Notice public_html folder is empty. I do not understand how can My site run and where is my wordpress installation files?
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04:40<DemodeDan>Hello, anyone knows if Linode Managed service supports Linodes with LXD containers in them? As far as I can tell Longview doesn't work with that.
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05:21<mamun>How to edit htaccess file?
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07:27<shmoon> says "Files that have been modified, but are the same length and without any metadata changes will not be considered changed during a subsequent incremental backup"
07:27<shmoon>how can a file have its contents modified without any metadata being changed ? wanted to know if there are edge cases which I'm not aware of.
07:28<shmoon>also "ACLs and extended attributes are NOT tracked." - ACL is the uid, gid, access mode right ? So if those are chnanged even then it won't be backed up ?
07:29<shmoon>So how does the linode backup system work ? It takes a diff and doesn't backup the entire machine ? Any unchanged file will not go into the new/incremental backup
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07:29<grawity>if the file is continuously updated via mmap, I think it's possible that neither ctime nor mtime get updated until the fd is closed
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07:30<hawk>shmoon: I think the idea is that normally for instance the modified date would be updated, but that can be avoided. If so, it won't notice that it has changed
07:31<hawk>shmoon: As for ACLs, I'm pretty sure that note has nothing to do with the regular unix file permissions but rather the additional ACLs that can be set using eg setfacl.
07:34<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Can I host gambling site (non-US based) on linode? <>
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07:38<HannibalKg>Hi guys, a quick question: are the different linodes shown on one's account are related to each other in any way? In other words, if I break one, are the others like to be broken too? If I say, accidentaly give access to someone I shouldnt have on one, would he/she have access to others?
07:38<HannibalKg>I am just trying to understand if each liniode acts as a separate entity (server?) or if they are interlinked
07:38<grawity>each linode is an independent server with its own storage and processes
07:39<HannibalKg>That's what I thought - many thanks <grawity>!
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08:05<Kiran>Hi Can we add additional storage in Standard Plan
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08:06<Woet>Kiran: no
08:06<Woet>Kiran: you can only resize to the next plan
08:06<Woet>Kiran: or wait for block storage to come out of beta
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08:07<Zimsky>how long until the stick comes out of woet's butt
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08:08<Kiran>Woet: ok thank you
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08:09<Guest1879>is this linode support?
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08:10<Woet>Guest1879: no, this is Linode Community Discussion.
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08:10<Woet>or, as the page says: "The #linode channel on OFTC is where the Linode community comes together to chat about system administration, development, and all things Linode. Stop on by for real-time advice on Linode products and troubleshooting tips. We love our community, and we're sure you will too."
08:11<Guest1879>can this group help with billing questions?
08:12<Woet>that depends whether its a generic one or not.
08:12<Woet>you are free to just ask you know
08:13<shmoon>hawk: so if file permissions or uid, gid are changed it'll still backup ?
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08:14<shmoon>also still not sure how mtime will be avoided ? I change a file, it does update the mtime. unless maybe something like what grawity said happens where the contents changed, length was same and fd wasn't closed so mtime wasn't updated.
08:14<Guest1879>I need to know if I can prepay an account for 6 months and how to pay
08:14<shmoon>sounds like a super edge case.
08:14<grawity>you did ask about edge cases
08:14<shmoon>also wondering what happens if a file has acquired lock for read then would the linode backup process be stuck or something ? just curious at this stage. might help me learn a think or two.
08:14<grawity>Guest1879: credit card or paypal,
08:15<shmoon>grawity: true :D
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08:15<Guest1879>Thx. so after i establish an account it can be done. (I haven't made an account yet)
08:15<grawity>the backup system cannot inject processes into the linode, so it reads the filesystem externally
08:16<shmoon>"The backup system must be able to mount your filesystem." that means the backup system mounts my entire FS into their server/hard disk and does the backup.
08:16<grawity>(and even if it did back up from the inside, Linux doesn't support mandatory locking anyway – "lock for read" only does anything if both programs cooperate)
08:16<shmoon>i wonder what happens if in my FS a file is being written too, does that block external processes from reading ?
08:16<shmoon>if there's a lock obviously.
08:16<grawity>Guest1879: note that establishing an account requires a credit card
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08:16<shmoon>fair enough actually, if i don't cooperate i can still read :/
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08:17<grawity>shmoon: external processes don't care about anything that happens on the inside
08:17<Guest1879>thank you all
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08:17<shmoon>yeah but am I correct about my FS completelty getting mounted into their system/hdd ?
08:17<grawity>either that, or it uses userspace code like libe2fs
08:17<grawity>I don't know if Linode does a full snapshot at once (like LVM) or if it reads from the "live" disk
08:18<Ram>I have Cancelled My account with Linode, but i have not received any thing related to the PAyment Refund or COnfirmation email? Some one assist me in this regard
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08:18<Woet>Ram: why would you get a refund?
08:18<shmoon>hm ok
08:18<shmoon>also ACL doesn't include uid, gid and file permissions right ?
08:18<shmoon>so if those changes backup will still work
08:19<Ram>Because I have Paid annual payment, now i am discontinuing while 11 month balance
08:20<Woet>Ram: i didnt know linode still does prepaid payments
08:20<grawity>in that case try calling?
08:21<Woet>Ram: but dont they offer a 10% discount for annual billing..?
08:21<Ram>I tried to reach through SUpport but no response.
08:21<Ram>So trying here.
08:21<Ram>DOes any one have toll free number?
08:21<grawity>if you're not receiving an email, then they're probably not receiving your email either
08:21<Woet>Ram: define "no response"
08:21<Zimsky>they have a phone number on their website
08:22<Ram>Will do
08:22<grawity>the contact phone numbers are at the bottom
08:23<Ram>Ok Thanks Then.
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08:23<Woet>probably didnt get a reply within 30 minutes
08:23<Woet>"no response11!?1?!111"
08:25<Zimsky>but Woet I DEMAND a refund
08:25<Zimsky>I also demand a mango
08:25<Woet>i DEMAND Eugene keeps Linodin' every day
08:26<Woet>he hasn't in the past week
08:26<Zimsky>Every day I'm Eugen'
08:26<Zimsky>what is that
08:26<Zimsky>:thinking:, what is this
08:27<Zimsky>why do you do this
08:27<Woet>i know you dont know how to think.
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08:27<Woet>its okay
08:27<Woet>you have other talents
08:27<Woet>i think..
08:27<Zimsky>more like other telnets
08:27<Zimsky>wazzaaaaa ching
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08:29<Zimsky>Woet: you know what's cool
08:29<Woet>Zimsky: Peng?
08:29<Zimsky>no, ribosomes.
08:29<Zimsky>well, ribs are cool too
08:30<Zimsky>it's nice not crushing my lungs
08:30<Woet>i think you have to eat quite a lot of them to crush your lungs
08:30<Zimsky>oh ribs you eat
08:30<Zimsky>thought you meant the ribcage
08:31<Zimsky>Woet: I guess you like to feed beef to your face a lot
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09:04<monjie>just want to know if u also register domain names
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09:05<@sjacobs>monjie: you will need to register your domains elsewhere.
09:05<monjie>which one do u recommend
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09:09<monjie>can u also check, we have created an account but still now it is not activated
09:10<@jhaas>Linode doesn't officially endorse any particular registrar, but many of our customers use GoDaddy or NameCheap
09:14<@jhaas>(personally I use NameCheap)
09:15<Cromulent>I use NameCheap as well
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09:23<@jhaas>monjie: we can't discuss account details over IRC, you'd need to open a support ticket; what message are you getting? can you login to the Manager?
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09:39<veecious>should i switch to KVM?
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10:26<ryu>has anyone switched from apache to nginx ? would it be easier to clone my box and uninstall apache / install nginx or start an empty box install nginx and then move the environment ?
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10:29<ponas>ryu: even easier: install nginx on the same box running on port other than 80 until you can make the configuration right
10:30<ryu>i just wanted to run some benchmarks and see which server is performing better
10:31<ponas>in that case I'd probably go for the cloning method
10:32<ponas>pretty sure nginx will perform slightly better, but the bottleneck is usually whatever backend/software it serves
10:32<ponas>not to much to gain from switching web servers. nginx is nice tho
10:35<@jhaas>tbf the RAM difference can be striking for specific workloads
10:36<ponas>yeah that's a thing
10:36<ryu>you're probably right it won't make much difference
10:36<ryu>just something to mess around with
10:36<ponas>I read 'performance' as time to first byte
10:37<waynr>i personally find nginx configuration easier to understand and write
10:38<ryu>@jhaas what do you mean by ram difference?
10:38<@jhaas>apache uses more
10:40<MajObviousman>can use
10:41<MajObviousman>depends on the model
10:41<@jhaas>something something most terrestrial workloads
10:41<MajObviousman>something something assumptions something something ass out of you and me
10:41<@jhaas>but as ponas said the biggest bottleneck is going to be the backend not the webserver
10:41<ryu>if it's below the amount of memory i have on the server is the difference noticeable?
10:42<MajObviousman>likely not
10:42<MajObviousman>but things evolve over time. Your needs may change in the future
10:42<@jhaas>my name has two a's not two s's tyvm
10:43<MajObviousman>yeah but aasume isn't in my dictionary
10:43<ryu>but if i buy the largest linode memory plan i don't have to worry about optimization!
10:43<MajObviousman>attaboy or girl
10:43<MajObviousman>or it
10:44<ryu>did you just assume my gender?
10:45<waynr>looks like the opposite
10:45<MajObviousman>looks can be deceiving
10:46<MajObviousman>for instance, your head looks normal-sized, but we all know that you've got a pea brain in there
10:46*HoopyCat furrows her brow slightly
10:46<waynr>i'm just saying it looks like the opposite of assuming their gender
10:46<MajObviousman>there's still an assumption of binary gender, which some people disagree with
10:47<ryu>please point me to your supervisor so that i may complain
10:49*MajObviousman points to rnowak
10:49<MajObviousman>good luck, have fun
10:51<ryu>cool cloudflare makes my site load slower that makes sense
10:52<ryu>probably have to read the instructions now instead of just hitting a bunch of switches
10:53<HoopyCat>makes total sense if the slow part is dynamically-generated
10:53<ryu>yea it would be it's basically a search site
10:54<MajObviousman>not much an edge cache can do if the core is always changing
10:54<MajObviousman>time for etags
10:54<ryu>i just wanted to cache the js/css/images
10:55<HoopyCat>i've started getting into the habit of throwing those on their own hostname
10:55<ryu>can you explain how i would set that up?
10:55<ryu>you mean under a sub domain?
10:56<MajObviousman>all of those assets can be on and it's easy to distinguish them
10:57<MajObviousman>doing this introduces a new problem: javascript same-origin policies
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10:59<MajObviousman>you'll need to explicity set CORS headers in your pages
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11:01<HoopyCat>tbh it's "cross your fingers and hope your application supports it" territory for me, heh
11:01<waynr>hmm shouldn't it be possible to cache content on the http server?
11:01<waynr>i mean to cache content served from a specific uri path
11:02<HoopyCat>i was going to use as an example, but it turns out that the (non-user-generated) static assets are indeed still on the base domain... oops =^.^=
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11:34<ryu>i just made a new config file in sites-available for my nginx sever what would be the command to use it over the default one?
11:35<waynr>what's in your sites-enabled directory?
11:36<waynr>if it's just a symlink called "default" then point that to your new sites-available config
11:37<waynr>ie, 'ln -sf /etc/nginx/sites-available/new-config-file /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default'
11:37<ryu>it's a symlink to the right file i guess then it's working
11:37<waynr>well you might have to reload nginx
11:37<waynr>or rather have nginx reload its configs
11:37<ryu>i'm getting a This site can’t be reached error so i must of done something wrong
11:37<ryu>even though nginx -t gives no error
11:38<waynr>if you're running on a systemd system, it would look like 'systemctl reload nginx'
11:38<ryu>ah that worked
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12:58<montigny34>hey guys
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12:58<montigny34>if i want to connect to mysql from within a bash script do i need to specify my password?
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13:01<montigny34>i guess using a password isn't too bad
13:01<montigny34>would i do mysql -u user -p password?
13:02<waynr>well you could always read the manpage for mysql, or just try it out in a shell
13:03<montigny34>would i do mysql -uuser -ppassword?
13:03<waynr>but based on my reading of the manpage that looks basically correct
13:03<montigny34>is what i found
13:03<montigny34>but it returns access denied?
13:03<montigny34>even tho the password i specified works fine when i do it not within a shell script
13:03<waynr>maybe you are using the wrong user/password combo
13:04<waynr>try mysql --user=<username> --password=<password>
13:04<waynr>also, here is a guide on setting up profile-based authentication, although i doubt that's really the best approach
13:05<montigny34>same rresult as mine
13:05<montigny34>access denied
13:05*waynr waits
13:05<montigny34>the way i'm tryiong to connect
13:05<montigny34>it's not via sssh it's using the terminal
13:05<montigny34>so same method as if i didn't use bash but just terminal correct?
13:06<waynr>hmmmm i don't really understand what you're describing
13:07<montigny34>nvm I'm not banned
13:07<montigny34>so why would it be denying access if my password is correct?
13:08<montigny34>also where would the terminal errors be logged?
13:08<waynr>could be any number of things, maybe your username is incorrect, maybe you're mistakenly attempting to connect to the wrong database
13:08<montigny34>i think i know why
13:09<montigny34>how do i return all users and their host?
13:09<montigny34>via mysql
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13:09<montigny34>waybr: what does a $ host mean?
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13:10<montigny34>waynr: what does a $ host mean?
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13:11<ponas>$ is not a host
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13:11<montigny34>why would i have $ as a host for one of my users?
13:12<ponas>by adding $ as a host for one of your users
13:12<ponas>perhaps you meant % which is the same as *
13:12<ponas>in mysql-speak
13:12<montigny34>true perhaps wthat's what it was
13:12<montigny34>Also i fixed it
13:12<montigny34>turns out i had to escape my password since it contained $$
13:13<montigny34>to run mysql queries do i need to use heredoc format or can i just write out the commands once I'm logged in?
13:13<ponas>if you have any spare $$$ I'll take it
13:14<montigny34>ponas I'm going to attempt the cronjob using the database method you presented to me btw :)
13:15<montigny34>i add them to a database named sftp_queue and for each row in the table the script runs the add user script and then adds them to the actual database
13:15<montigny34>should I also delete the ones that got added from the queue database?
13:16<ponas>starting a shared host with homegrown provisioning/management tools is like going down a rabbit hole
13:16<ponas>you probably should if you want to keep track of which queued items you've processed
13:17<ponas>an alternative would be to use one table with a 'processed' column, then you could just update that field
13:17<montigny34>ok sweet
13:18<montigny34>once i login via mysql inside bash script how do i add databases, it's just logging me in and not create a test database
13:18<montigny34>I'm doing this wrong ain't I
13:18<ponas>you need to google that for five more minutes
13:19<ponas>maybe ten
13:19<montigny34>oh wait
13:19<montigny34>okay so i need to use heredoc
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13:27<montigny34>ponas would you know how to create a for loop to iterate through each row in my queue database
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13:47<montigny34>how do i store my bash select all statement into different variables for each column?
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14:15<itsasadstory>GET A BOUNCER
14:17<MajObviousman>make sure he's named Vinny and looks Italian
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14:34<ryu>cache rules everything around me
14:49<nitsua>memcache $ $ bill y'all
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15:39<Guest1902>alguien de soporte que sepa esñaol?
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15:44<Guest1902>I have problems with the installation in ubuntu-nginx-rails
15:45<Guest1902>and unicorn
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15:45<nitsua>soporte en espanyol #debian-es
15:46<nitsua>er wrong channel
15:47<nitsua>Guest1902: #ubuntu-es
15:48<Guest1902>The channel is empty without participants
15:51<Eliz>Guest1902: it's not on this irc network,
15:51<Eliz>it's on freenode
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16:26<mamun>How to locate .htaccess file in wordpress, and how to redirect my URL?
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16:37<itsasadstory>mamun: operating system? Apache directories are different on Ubuntu / Debian by default compared to others
16:38<mamun><itsasadstory> I am using Ubuntu
16:38<itsasadstory>ok your website probably has a file under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, or a symlink ..
16:39<itsasadstory>that will tell you the DocumentRoot for Wordpress and presumably that's where you want to put your .htaccess file
16:39<itsasadstory>depending on what you want to do
16:41<ryu>your .htaccess will be in your working directory in wordpress
16:41<ryu>on some file systems it's hidden
16:43<MajObviousman>use a magnifying glass to find it
16:43<MajObviousman>there should be an icon on your menu bar
16:44<itsasadstory>uuugh vagrant just killed my mac again
16:44<itsasadstory>god i hate vagrant
16:45<ryu>hate vagrant or hate mac?
16:45<itsasadstory>vagrant, and myself, for using it
16:45<mamun>I am installing wordpress, site run well but I try to connect my wordpress files via Filezila, Connected properly via username and password but In public_html folder is empty. How Can I find and edit my wordpress files? I am using mac
16:45<ryu>i run vagrant on my windows xp box it works fine mostly
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16:46<itsasadstory>it runs like greased lightning without all those security updates weighing it down
16:47<ryu>mamum that makes no sense unless you installed wordpress in a different folder
16:47<itsasadstory>mamun: connect as a user with actual permissions and check that file i told you about to figure out where Wordpress is
16:48<ryu>by default it should be /var/www/html
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16:50<ryu>what's the best way to serve images for my site faster they seem to be slowing down the loading by a big factor
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16:52<itsasadstory>use a cdn i guess
16:52<HoopyCat>ryu: so it depends on what's slow about the requests. what's the timing waterfall look like for a page load?
16:53<HoopyCat>ryu: (the approaches in general: serve the images out faster, make the images smaller, put them closer to the client, make the client fetch them before they need it)
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16:55<ryu>hoopycat : i will optimize them myself because cloudflare failed pretty hard at that, but the waterfall model shows the images are blocking a lot of the time it takes to load
16:56<itsasadstory>put varnish in front of literally everything
16:58<HoopyCat>ryu: what's the timing look like for an image? e.g.
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16:59<ryu>do you want the chrome graph instead?
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17:01<HoopyCat>ryu: allllright, so it looks like the image itself is loading pretty briskly, but there's just so many of them and the browser can only open so many connections at once
17:02<ryu>should i serve from a sub domain so it can open more sockets?
17:05<HoopyCat>ryu: so this gets into the realm of front-end engineering a bit, but if you can, lazy-loading as much as possible may help a lot... like, pull in just enough to do the initial page rendering (headers, placeholder graphics, etc -- really very cacheable stuff), then pull in "content" things asynchronously
17:06<ryu>yea that makes sense
17:06<ryu>load images as user is scrolling down instead of on dom ready
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17:08<HoopyCat>yeah... tbh the fancypants frameworks probably make this easy, but idk... this is why i date front-end devs and SREs =^.^=
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17:11<ryu>apparently i should be using etags
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17:13<HoopyCat>that helps too, 'tho only for things users have already seen (and they still have to validate it -- this is why, in my screenshot, all the resources have hashy filenames)
17:14<HoopyCat> can be cached fooorreevverrrrrrrrrr cuz if it ever changes the filename will change
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17:37<HoopyCat>ryu: also note that there is not One True Right Answer, nor is there an easy fix that works for every case (or even most cases)... your use case is "weird" enough that anyone trying to sell you a general "make things faster" solution is going to fail (e.g. cloudflare)
17:37<HoopyCat>if it were easy, it'd already have been done
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17:43<ryu>yea i'll have to custom tailor a solution for my app
17:43<MajObviousman>welcome to the ranks of the normal
17:43<ryu>but rest assured im going to complain about it the whole way through
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17:45<HoopyCat>web is crap
17:45<MajObviousman>I have a wonderful idea
17:45<MajObviousman>why don't you set up a new irc room and live-bitch the whole way through
17:45<MajObviousman>it'll be like a blog, but not
17:46<ryu>if you want you can give me your phone number and i can text you updates as i go along
17:46<HoopyCat>give me yours and i'll text you fox facts
17:46<waynr>fox facts o.O
17:46<waynr>like facts about fox
17:46<waynr>or alternate facts from fox news
17:47<ryu>or facts about firefox?
17:47<ryu>fox news doesn't use facts let's be real
17:47<waynr>depends on how you define fact
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17:47<HoopyCat>facts about foxes, the dog-like things running cat firmware
17:47<arlen>alternative foxes
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17:50<HoopyCat>FluffyFoxeh: true
17:50<waynr>all i have to do is give away my phone number to internet strangers to get this kind of fact on the regular? or is it a one time deal?
17:50<MajObviousman>damn foxes and their recycling ettiquete
17:51<MajObviousman>they're largelyr esponsible for the great pacific garbage patch
17:51<ryu>we're all friends on the internet
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18:18<@mcintosh>!point mcnuggets
18:18<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to mcnuggets. (1)
18:20<nate>see this is why I just don't bother upgrading my fedora 19 linode. finally set up a new linode to prep to migrate into and I can't even get iptables working right. Shit never wants to work when I need it to lol
18:21<relidy>Fedora moved to firewalld some time back
18:21<relidy>You'd need to mask/uninstall that first if you still wanted to stick with iptables.
18:22<nate>relidy: Already did
18:22<relidy>Assuming you haven't already chased firewalld off the field ... dang too slow
18:22<nate>then swapped around my SSH port like I usually do just for laziness of bruteforcers, except it won't let me SSH in, it's acting like there is still a firewall
18:23<nate>well specifically it's "timing out" rather than explicitly dropping like a firewall would
18:23<nate>but sshd is running, and on that port, so, shit just doesn't like me :P
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18:25<nate>okay definitely iptables, stopping it works
18:26<relidy>Paste the output of "iptables -L -n" somewhere?
18:27<nate>oh well that was polite of it, apparently restarting iptables wiped the rules lol
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18:28<relidy>nate: "iptables-save" will help with that
18:28<nate>okay re-adding the rule still didn't fix it, hrm; 890 is the port, I put it as basic as basic can be even
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18:28<relidy>Your rule is after your reject all
18:29<nate>oh, so it is, god damnit iptables I thought you were smart enough to not do that lol
18:29<nate>why must I always do this stuff when I'm tired
18:29<relidy>A better approach is to set the chain to REJECT by default and only whitelist what you want. Prevents these sorts of ordering issues (sometimes)
18:30<nate>It's just using the default fedora iptables set, in the past I used to just be able to open the extra port like that without having to reorder I swear
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18:38<nate>and now I can't get it to accept any SSH keys, lol. Fuck it, gonna play a game until my brain wakes up more
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19:20<millisa>finally got my first couple dallas1->dallas2 migration notices. Anyone happen to know if I can request systems get added earlier so I can get multiples scheduled for the same maintenance window?
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21:17<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Partitioning a Linode to experiment on a bit? <>
21:22<FluffyFoxeh>is Dallas 1 being phased out?
21:22<millisa>looks that way
21:22<Zimsky>why not just phase out texas
21:22<millisa>but I like texas. it's where I keep most my stuff
21:22<FluffyFoxeh>let's phase out the internet
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21:29<bk>hey guys. migrating from dedicated servers to another alternative and I think I want to go with linode. Any suggestions on a cpanel alternative?
21:30<FluffyFoxeh>SSH is nice
21:31<SleePy>Ever have one of those days where you look at -rwxr--r-- and then your brain just blanks on converting that back to its number format.
21:32<Zimsky>bash via ssh is a nice cpanel alternative
21:32<Zimsky>I sure do love me some ttys
21:32<bk>anyone have experience with vestacp?
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23:26<waynr>SleePy: 011100100 there ya go
23:28<waynr>i messed that up
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