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---Logopened Fri Aug 11 00:00:08 2017
00:01<FluffyFoxeh>means I can halve the size of my swapfile and not worry about OOMs
00:01<Zimsky>Eugene: except you haven't been latel
00:01<Zimsky>who is latel?
00:01<Zimsky>what
00:01<Zimsky>lately&
00:02<FluffyFoxeh>Lately&sons
00:02<Zimsky>protip; don't use a keyboard on its side
00:02<Eugene>I moved, and haven't had internet at home until today. https://goo.gl/photos/PeCAZByWHXduWmuF7
00:02<Zimsky>Latel & Latel Legal Services
00:02<Zimsky>greenland goo
00:02<FluffyFoxeh>yo that's a nice place
00:03<Eugene>Eh its a fixer inside. There's no carpet in the bedrooms, half the outlets don't work, etc.
00:03<Eugene>But its half the price of my previous apartment and has a yard
00:03<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: the image or Greenland Goo?
00:04<Zimsky>Eugene: a yard of what
00:04<Eugene>Lawn?
00:04<Zimsky>wait, is that finally the answer to how long a piece of string is?
00:04<Eugene>No, that was 1.5m
00:04<Eugene>I don't have any in my pockets right now
00:05<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: but is it long enough?
00:05<Zimsky>to tie your toes together? yes
00:05<FluffyFoxeh>long enough to <undefined>
00:06<Zimsky>we know it's an str type though
00:06<FluffyFoxeh>NaN
00:06<Zimsky>I ain't ye nan
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00:10<Mutter>Hey all
00:11<Mutter>Is vsftp good for allowing multiple users access to the same directories ?
00:11<Zimsky>I dunno, is it?
00:13<Mutter>I'm not sure
00:14<Mutter>I don't want them to all have access to the same directories but like they can have acccess to xyz while another xyav
00:14<Zimsky>could just write your own ftpd
00:14<Mutter>So I can essentially give whichever user I want access to whatever homedirectory
00:14<Mutter>So would vsftp not be viable solution
00:19<Mutter>Are there better sftp solutions?
00:19<arlen>yes, the one built in
00:20<Zimsky>ftps != sftp
00:20<Mutter>It doesn't come with sftp by default...
00:20<arlen>does it have ssh?
00:20<Mutter>Yes
00:20<arlen>then it does
00:20<Zimsky>then it quite likely does
00:21<Mutter>So I could achieve more with the built in one
00:21<arlen>imo, yes
00:21<Zimsky>is that a question?
00:21<Zimsky>is this a question?
00:22<arlen>are we all questions?
00:22<Zimsky>am I actually arlen's mother?
00:22<arlen>momma!
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00:25<Mutter>Soooo vsftp is junk?
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00:28<Mutter>Just to be clear would the regular sftp allow me to do what I asked earlier
00:29<Zimsky>'regular sftp' is basically like a user doing stuff via ssh
00:29<Zimsky>whatever they have permissions for, they are able to access
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00:36<Mutter>Ok so it can't help me more with what I'm trying to do lol
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00:38<Zimsky>lol
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00:43<Mutter>if I have /www/superuser1/domain1.com,domain2.come then /www/superuser2/domain3.com,domain4.com both super users have access to all directories in their home directory. Now if i have user1 & user 2. User1 has access to domain1 & domain2.com now user 2 simply has access to domain2.com.
00:43<Mutter>How would not using vsftp help me if it comes down to permissions?
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01:02<dcraig>anyone want to trade linodes?
01:03<Peng>I got vintage IP addresses
01:03<dcraig>sweet
01:05<Zimsky>that doesn't answer the question
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01:07<dcraig>but I would trade 2 new linodes for 1 linode with vintage IPs
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01:08<dcraig>but I am not going to trade my 1 linode with 2 IPs
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01:23<FluffyFoxeh>I have one of those too dcraig :D
01:31<dcraig>:D
01:31<dcraig>but how much does it cost a month? ;)
01:32<FluffyFoxeh>$11
01:32<dcraig>interesting
01:32<dcraig>mine's free :D
01:33<dcraig>don't tell anyone...
01:33<FluffyFoxeh>Well the IP address itself is only $1
01:34<dcraig>yah I worked that out already
01:34<dcraig>I'm pretty quick
01:34<FluffyFoxeh>:p
01:34<FluffyFoxeh>good smart dcraig
01:34*FluffyFoxeh pats dcraig
01:35*Zimsky sniggers
01:35*dcraig clark bars
01:44<dcraig>wow this is incredible
01:44<dcraig>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chocolate_bar_brands
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02:14<zifnab>i made the mistake of buying expensive popsicles
02:14<zifnab>they have fruit bits
02:14<zifnab>this is nasty
02:14<zifnab>where's my cheap frozen apple juice garbage
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02:15<Zimsky>zifnab: fruit bits are fantastic
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02:20<dcraig>wow, it has probably been a couple decades since I had a popsicle
02:20<zifnab>so these ones are...smoothie consistency
02:21<zifnab>everything else in my freezer is rock hard
02:21<zifnab>and they're somehow still slightly mush
02:21*dcraig slightly mush, too :(
02:22<zifnab>also, the expanse is quite a good tv show
02:22<zifnab>i miss hard sci fi
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02:23<Prokz>I just would like to ask if it's safe to use your VPS through shadowsocks in countries like US, South America or other neighboring countries? Thanks :)
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02:25<zifnab>if you mean 'use your vps as a vpn server', yeah thats fine, don't do anything illegal (its still tied to you, abuse complaints mean they shut your account down)
02:26<dcraig>I do all my illegal stuff on zifnab's VPS
02:26<zifnab>dcraig: the dream of the 90s is alive in portland, meaning, there is nothing illegal
02:26<zifnab>you can download cars
02:26<Prokz>I see thanks for that info.
02:27<Prokz>Anyways, if i buy 5$ linode service. I can use it as shadowsocks account right?
02:27<Prokz>And share it with my family members.
02:27<zifnab>you can do anything on it thats possible to do on a linux server
02:27<zifnab>(mostly)
02:28<Prokz>Great!
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02:28<Zimsky>except for the things that you can't
02:29<zifnab>thats why i said mostly
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02:29<zifnab>spoofing ip traffic is one thing that comes to mind that just doesn't work
02:29<dcraig>anything you can do, I can do better
02:30<zifnab>i can do everyone better than you
02:30<dcraig>!urmom
02:30<linbot>Yo mommas so fat they built her a special toilet! (16:0/0) [muomr]
02:30<dcraig>yikes
02:30<Prokz>Is it possible to use shadowsocks in any carrier like vodafone, telstra without any promo? And is it safe in that process?
02:31<zifnab>yo momma's so fat when she fell of the flight path from tanaris to sithilus she made un'goro crater
02:31<zifnab>ba dum tsss
02:31<Zimsky>yo mamma's so fat she's JamesTK
02:31<Prokz>Btw, sorry if my english is not that good.
02:31<Zimsky>Prokz: it's okay, there's a lot of americans here too
02:32<Prokz>So you guys(Americans) use shadowsocks too?
02:32*dcraig tickles zimsky around a bit with a large featherfin knifefish
02:32<dcraig>no idea what shadowsocks is
02:32<zifnab>i have no fucking clue what shadowsocks is
02:32<zifnab>i own some black socks
02:32<Zimsky>idk what shadowsocks is
02:32<zifnab>they cast shadows
02:32<zifnab>so i assume, yes
02:32<Zimsky>zifnab: white socks would cast the same shadows
02:32<Prokz>Oh haha. My bad
02:33<Zimsky>no it's mine
02:33<Zimsky>my bad
02:33<Zimsky>stop taking my bad
02:33<dcraig>but which is heavier, a pound of black socks or a pound of white socks?
02:33<zifnab>Zimsky: no, because the white ones are so old, they're threadbare and see through
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02:33<Zimsky>dcraig: black socks
02:33<dcraig>zimsky, right!
02:33<zifnab>technically zimsky is correct
02:33<Zimsky>dcraig: the colouring adds weight
02:33<zifnab>well, not actually...
02:33<Zimsky>white socks would just be bleached
02:33<Zimsky>it really does depend on the socks
02:34<Zimsky>who even uses socks any more?
02:34<zifnab>so, i would make the argument they'd weigh the same in a dark vacuum
02:34<zifnab>but as soon as you add light, you add warmth, and that changes the weight of the black socks
02:34<zifnab>'warm things weigh more'
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02:34<Zimsky>I guess?
02:34<zifnab>the science makes sense
02:34<dcraig>let's say they each weigh 1 pound
02:34<Zimsky>I was really thinking more on the lines of the actual material
02:35<Zimsky>dcraig: what are they made of?
02:35<dcraig>white ones are cotton, black ones can be wool
02:35<dcraig>from a black sheep
02:35<Zimsky>okay well if they each "weigh 1 pound", then they weigh the same
02:36<Zimsky>zifnab: you're referring to the mass-energy equivalence, yeah?
02:36<zifnab>roughly
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02:36<zifnab>i'm makign shit up
02:36<Zimsky>as part of SR
02:36<zifnab>i made it sound like science
02:36<Zimsky>well, no
02:36<zifnab>so you'd believe me
02:36<Zimsky>it holds true
02:36<zifnab>call it 'fake science'
02:37<zifnab>yeah, black absorbs heat
02:37<zifnab>heat is energy, and therefore mass
02:37<zifnab>e=mc2
02:37<Zimsky>but do the socks radiate that energy, or do they not?
02:37<Zimsky>that's the determining question
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02:38<Zimsky>and we must also ascertain as to whether the socks have been weighed in the same gravity
02:38<zifnab>gravity is more here
02:38<zifnab>than it is back home
02:38<zifnab>i find that amusing
02:38<Zimsky>yes, the earth has gravitational variance
02:39<zifnab>based on the distance from the center
02:39<zifnab>here its 6400km, at home its 6402km
02:40<zifnab>roughly
02:40<zifnab>we're talking a few centimeters/sec/sec
02:40<Zimsky>don't use cm
02:41<Zimsky>that's racist
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02:42<zifnab>fine, its 9.80665 m/s/s here
02:42<Zimsky>I like how prokz didn't get their question answered because we a) didn't know and b) wanted to discuss physics and the application to socks
02:42<zifnab>and 9.80172622 m/s/s at home
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02:43<Zimsky>it's 9.807 here
02:43<Zimsky>best precision I have
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02:50<lxfryn>hi guys, do you know how long will it take for pending activation?
02:51<Zimsky>now zifnab, what if they were green socks?
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02:51<Zimsky>we have also not yet considered the implications of gloves
02:52<lxfryn>hi guys, do you know how long will it take for pending activation?
02:52<Zimsky>not long™
02:52<Zimsky>but it varies
02:53<lxfryn>i have registered for a while and also preloaded some money into my account. but, right now, I just have to wait. ridiculous.
02:54<Zimsky>not ridiculous at all
02:54<MrPPS>lxfryn: Identify verification to prevent against fraud
02:54<Zimsky>it's a pretty standard practice
02:54<MrPPS>Once done though, system is your to use instantaneously :)
02:55<lxfryn>the identification is working by some guy or just by the machine??
02:55<Zimsky>either
02:55<Zimsky>doesn't really make a difference
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02:58<MrPPS>lxfryn: I believe it is manual review
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03:00<darwin>do I not need to run NTPD on my linode?
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03:01<MrPPS>You *can*, but pretty sure KVM pushes time through from host
03:02<darwin>ok
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03:02<darwin>thanks
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03:29<nicolas>hi thee
03:29<nicolas>there
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03:30<nicolas>I just created my account, I need a standard web server, with apache/ php/ mysql / ftp / cPanel and I don t have time to do it my self. If I subscried to "manged" feature, is the deployment of all these stuff included ?
03:30<nicolas>my web team is lost without cpanel
03:30<nicolas>or whm
03:34<arlen>it's not all included. I believe cpanel installation is covered but not sure about anything else
03:43<Zimsky>you could do that through professional services
03:48<nicolas>yes I contacted them about that
03:51<zifnab>I finally set up guacamole
03:51<zifnab>So I can do things at work
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05:24<JamesTK>:D
05:28<arlen>:D
05:36<Zimsky>:D
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06:16<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Partitioning a Linode to experiment on a bit? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15082&p=74274#p74274>
06:33<rsdehart>:D
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06:46<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • Is It Possible To Have Multiple Hostname for Multiple Domains in Single Linode? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15075&p=74275#p74275>
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09:02<PettyVision>Can anyone suggest what would be the best way of updating the mysql root password if one does not have access to the current pass?
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09:05<@jleal>https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/resetting-permissions.html "B.5.3.2.3 Resetting the Root Password: Generic Instructions" Should prove useful, however when MySQL comes up with --skip-grant-tables anyone can login so make sure that you have isolated the daemon from the network before doing so
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09:12<KMLS>Linode offers storage stack ?
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09:56<GlennS>Does anyone have any advice for how to check if a Linode instance with a given id already exists using the v4 Python API?
10:05<GlennS>at the moment I'm just doing linode.Linode(client, instance_id).status and checking to see if there was a 404 error
10:05<GlennS>but it seems a bit of a flaky approach...
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12:46<HoopyCat>awww
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12:56<naveen>hi
12:57<Cromulent>hi
12:57<naveen>need an help on purchasing space in linode
12:58<naveen>i am from india
12:58<itsasadstory>purchasing space?
12:58<itsasadstory>do you mean disk space, or just purchasing a linode in general?
12:58<nameboost>hdd
12:58<naveen>yes
12:58<itsasadstory>they have a block storage product in beta but you cannot just add disk space to a Linode at the moment
12:58<naveen>i would like to create website so looking for hosting
12:59<itsasadstory>you would need to upgrade your plan
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12:59<itsasadstory>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
12:59<naveen>ok , can you please call my number so that i can explain my requirement
12:59<itsasadstory>no
12:59<arck>any linode admins here?
12:59<itsasadstory>you should call Linode support
13:00<itsasadstory>https://www.linode.com/contact
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13:00<arck>anyone else impacted by the dallas kvm migration/upgrate?
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13:00<arck>getting all of our machines migrated has been a headache
13:01<itsasadstory>!ops
13:01<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
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13:02<arck>how do i take a linode out of the upgrade queue?
13:03<itsasadstory>arck: if you're looking for information that's specific to your account or your Linodes, you should open a support ticket.
13:03<arck>i did
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13:03<itsasadstory>they will get to it as soon as possible, I assure you
13:03<arck>no one has answered me yet and it's a priority given the fact that the machines are scheduled to _automatically_ migrate today during business hours
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13:04<arck>what's the purpose of this irc channel? your site says it's for support.
13:04<arck>it seems like a bunch of people idling.
13:04<arck>meh.
13:04<itsasadstory>arck: typically with those sort of migrations they're moving everyone on a given host, meaning they're not going to hold it up for just you
13:05<cubie213>I am having a problem with mysqldump. the dump name after the > is causing an error: -bas:_dump_name: Permission denied
13:05<itsasadstory>it is not for support, and it does not say that
13:05<cubie213>Is there anyone that can help?
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13:06<cubie213>I am using this: mysqldump -u username -p database_name > data-dump.sql
13:06<arck>itsasadstory: right, it's just a poor execution.
13:06<arck>we run a huge cluster on linode for production hosting
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13:07<arck>having 75% of our boxes down for hours for the kvm migration = $$$
13:07<arck>anyways
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13:13<_Cyclone_>cubie213 try giving the destination file a full path to a known writable directory you have "write" permission in. for example mysqldump -u username -p database_name > /home/cubie213/data-dump.sql
13:13<@mquatrani>arck: we'd be happy to look into this for you. Would you be able to open up a ticket with our Support team?
13:13<itsasadstory>he left
13:14<@mquatrani>ah so he did
13:16<@mquatrani>looks like he opened a ticket, heh. should probs read the scrollback >.<
13:16<cubie213>Thanks _Cyclone! it is still give the same error
13:16<cubie213>even with sudo
13:17<_Cyclone_>cubie213 sounds like it could be a user permission matter on the DB, Table or row... meaning this may have nothing to do with the Linux environment.
13:18<_Cyclone_>cubie213 I'm very rusty on current MySQL versions... I won't be much help on how to check/confirm database level ACLs.
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13:19<cubie213>_Cyclone_ not to worry. I will continue searching online. Thank you for your time.
13:19<veecious>what's the error?
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13:22<veecious>are you trying to dumb table data as well as the stored procedures/triggers?
13:23<cubie213>honestly, this is the first time I am attempting this via the command-line (outside phpAdmin). I just need to export a database for a wp site
13:24<cubie213>basically I have been tring this: mysqldump -u username -p database_name > data-dump.sql and I keep getting the error: -bash: data-dump.sql: Permission denied
13:25<cubie213>I have tried using a folder within the user's directory as well as outside it
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13:26<veecious>that means your user has no permission to write to the output file
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13:27<veecious>try this:
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13:29<veecious>login to sql, then do : grant all privileges on YOUR_DB to YOUR_USER identified by YOUR_PASS
13:29*_Cyclone_ plus1 on veecious comment
13:29<veecious>then : flush privileges
13:30<veecious>additionally i believe there is a bug in sql where grant all does not grant file so do this also: GRANT FILE ON *.* TO 'YOUR_USER'@'localhost';
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13:38<cubie213>veecious Many thanks but it is still giving the same error
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13:41<veecious>you can try something like https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/
13:42<veecious>it can export/import any databases or tables you may have
13:42<jcanto>cubie213, try using the full path
13:43<cubie213>I have been using sudo mysqldump -u username -p database_name > /home/USERNAME/RANDOM_FOLDER/data-dump.sql
13:43<cubie213>I think that is full path
13:43<jcanto>are you root?
13:43<cubie213>I am checking that site now
13:43<cubie213>no I am not
13:43<cubie213>but on wheel
13:44<cubie213>havent had a single issue with using sudo so far
13:44<veecious>what permissions are set on RANDOM_FOLDER?
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13:47<cubie213> ls -ld /home/USERNAME/RANDOM_FOLDER/ is showing drwxr-xr-x 2 root root. Unless I am mistaken, that means USERNAME does not have permission to write
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13:48<veecious>find /home/USERNAME/RANDOM_FOLDER -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
13:50<veecious>drwxr-xr-x is actually 755 so it should be fine
13:51<veecious>workbench should work though just tunnel into it and it will export the files anywhere
13:51<cubie213>operation not permitted
13:51<veecious>sudo
13:51<jcanto>try working on /tmp
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13:51<cubie213>ahh - silly me!
13:53<cubie213>yep - all good with using /tmp
13:53<cubie213>jcanto & veecious many thanks for all the help!
13:53<veecious>np
13:54<jcanto>:D
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15:06<jhony>Hi acept paypal?
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15:07<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
15:07<LoudHoward>!paypal
15:07<linbot>Make a Payment - via PayPal (beta): https://blog.linode.com/2016/07/26/paypal-payments/
15:07<LoudHoward>holy crap what
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15:08<linbot>New news from status: Fiber Maintenance - Newark <https://status.linode.com/incidents/4hqcb5vnhl8s>
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15:39<HoopyCat>sometimes i need fiber maintenance too
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15:45<saitama>hey guys
15:45<millisa>greetings
15:46<saitama>i have a question about the python library
15:46<saitama>is there a way to get network transfer out (used) vs allocated
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15:47<saitama>I can get total transfer (allocated) but not used
15:47<Rodrigo_>how can i send feedback about the new control painel?
15:48<millisa>I thought /linode/instances/:id gave the used transfer this month in the 'total_transfer' output?
15:48<saitama>thats what the document says, but its the total allocated
15:51<millisa>Rodrigo_: https://github.com/linode/manager/issues might be what you are looking for
15:51<millisa>saitama: I'm assuming you are 'f1gjam' on github?
15:52<saitama>yes
15:52<saitama>:)
16:04<LoudHoward>HoopyCat: https://tastydiet.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/0106-fiber-one-bar_vg.jpg ?
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19:02<Guest2165>Hello, how to contribute to Linode docs. I sent article via contribute page and nobody contacted me ? Should I go to GitHub and submit pull request ?
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19:06<itsasadstory>j__: to answer your previous question, you should just wait...how long ago did you contribute it?
19:06<Q3Man>So, I'm not sure if this is a issue that I should be upset about or if I should just not use linodes in the Frankfurt datacenter.. but my speeds from Fremont -> Frankfurt are absolutely terrible... sub 100-KB/sec when downloading containers from repositories in Fremont... no packet loss/mtr issues, just no bandwidth. Is this a known issue that I should just ignore or not use Frankfurt datacenters; or something that needs addressed?
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19:07<j__>about 2 weeks ago
19:08<itsasadstory>Q3Man: well..that's a pretty long distance, but that speed sounds a little bit strange. Your best bet would be to open a support ticket though, on the off chance that there's something unusual going on, support can figure it out with the netops team
19:08<Q3Man>yeah.. I regularly get 10MB/sec and above between all other datacenters
19:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How can Linode protect itself from malicious ex-employees? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14916&p=74277#p74277>
19:09<Q3Man>it's just frankfurt <-> fremont that's super slow
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23:22<messonic>hey
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23:23<messonic>xen upgrades are happening. my question: how long do you reckon it will take?
23:23<Peng>Not very long.
23:23<Peng>It varies... someone gets booted first and someone else gets booted last.
23:23<Peng>10-30 minutes in my experience, maybe?
23:23<messonic>for my system to be up again (I notice it went down like 10-20 min ago). ah ok. So what is t'not very long', I mean like: half an hour? ~ 5 hours?
23:23<messonic>ah ok
23:24<messonic>fantastic, thanks
23:24<messonic>btw to be clear, when I say "upgrade", I don't mean xen-> kvm upgrade, I meant just the security upgrades being applied to xen
23:24<Peng>They probably know the average, but you don't want to make promises that can't always be kept. :P
23:24<messonic>sure, yup
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