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01:21<ravi>Linode is providing ssl or not?
01:22<ravi>hi
01:22<Zimsky>no
01:22<ravi>Can any one tell me, How can we install ssl in lnode server
01:23<Zimsky>assuming a debian-derived os, openssl should be installed by default
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01:34<kyhwana>ravi: that depends on your web/email/whatever server, i'd suggest looking at letsencrypt
01:36<ravi>ok
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02:01<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Secursive Stackscripts <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15091&p=74284#p74284>
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02:53<montigny34>hey guys, can somebody help me figure out what the issue is when i try to create a new vsftpd user?
02:53<montigny34>they cannot connect via sftp
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02:54<montigny34> fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/var/www/tempt.io/domain.com" [postauth]
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02:55<montigny34>I'm about to lose hope lol
02:55<Zimsky>why not just use sshd for sftp
02:55<Zimsky>like already exists
02:56<montigny34>i am connecting via sshd if that's what youre telling me to do?
02:56<montigny34>port 22**
02:56*dcraig vsftpds into Zimsky
02:57<Zimsky>dcraig: 别
02:57<montigny34>i can't figure out what I;'m doing ewrong
02:58<dcraig>the port was wide open
02:58<Zimsky>the airport?
02:59<dcraig>if that's what you call it
02:59<montigny34>it works fine when i create a new user and don't change their home directory
02:59<Zimsky>why don't we call transport layer socket ports that are being run over wifi "airports"
02:59<dcraig>we do...
02:59<Zimsky>The More You Know™
03:00<Zimsky>dcraig: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD6qtc2_AQA/maxresdefault.jpg
03:01<dcraig>nice
03:01<montigny34>nobody?
03:01<dcraig>I will make that my wallpaper
03:01<dcraig>montigny34, maybe the vsftpd user needs to have read/write access to the folder you want them to edit?
03:01<montigny34>they do
03:02<montigny34>it's a stupid mistake i just can't figure out
03:02<Zimsky>google knows all
03:02<montigny34>what i usually do is create a new user and it creates a homedirectory inside /var/www/user1
03:02<montigny34>that user can login via sftp and view contents of that folder
03:03<montigny34>what I'm trying to achive is setting up an admin user for example /var/www/user1 then create sub directories inside that folder
03:04<montigny34>but when i create user2
03:04<montigny34> and change it's home direcotory to /var/www/user1/example1.com
03:04<montigny34>it doesn't allow me to connect via sftp as user2
03:04<montigny34>and gives the error i mentionned above?
03:05<Zimsky>be careful in what you mean by "sftp"
03:05<montigny34>i know it;s something simple like a line i need to add / change in my my vsftpd.conf
03:05<montigny34>but i cannot figure it out
03:06<Zimsky>ask the vsftpd people
03:06<montigny34>??
03:07<Zimsky>¿¿
03:07<arlen>why even use vsftpd?
03:07<Zimsky>^ that's what I said
03:07<Zimsky>arlen, phrase stealer.
03:08<arlen>why even use vsftpd? - Zimsky 2017
03:08<arlen>forgot to cite my source
03:08<Zimsky>why even use a computer
03:08<Zimsky>who gave rasmus lerdorf a computer?
03:08<arlen>Noah
03:08<dcraig>if you ship a USB stick to Linode HQ, they'll copy the files for you
03:09<arlen>sneakernet
03:09<Zimsky>dcraig: really
03:09<Zimsky>dcraig: has this been tried?
03:10<arlen>montigny34: you don't need vsftpd for sftp, it comes with ssh
03:10<dcraig>Zimsky is so excited, I'm not sure how to respond
03:11<Zimsky>dcraig: I'm not excited, I am questioning the validity
03:12<montigny34>if i want to use vsftpd though how do i fix my current issue?
03:12<Zimsky>rtfm
03:13<arlen>^
03:13<arlen>why do you want to use vsftpd?
03:14<arlen>why do you want to make things harder
03:14<dcraig>lol
03:14<grawity>10:04 (montigny34) it doesn't allow me to connect via sftp as user2
03:14<grawity>I haven't heard anything about vsftpd actually being a sftp server
03:14<grawity>just a "very secure ftp daemon"
03:14<dcraig>sftp = secure ftp
03:15<arlen>well apparently user1 connects ok
03:15<Zimsky>no dcraig
03:15<dcraig>ok what's the s stand for?
03:15<grawity>ssh
03:15<Zimsky>ssh
03:15<arlen>social
03:15<Zimsky>smelly
03:15<Zimsky><Zimsky> be careful in what you mean by "sftp"
03:15<Zimsky>sftp != ftps
03:15<arlen>^
03:15<Zimsky>I've said this many times
03:16<dcraig>ok what's the first s in ssh stand for?
03:16<arlen>if there's something to be said, Zimsky has said it
03:16<Zimsky>shit, the cat's on fire
03:16<Zimsky>dcraig: that's what it stands for ^
03:16<grawity>abbreviations aren't like anonymous structs
03:16<Zimsky>you're an anonymous struct
03:17<dcraig>YAAS
03:17<grawity>YOLO AS A SERVICE
03:17<dcraig>:D
03:17<Zimsky>SaaS = SaaS as a Service
03:17<Zimsky>cloudflare = MITMaaS
03:18<Zimsky>that one never gets old in my homeless opinion
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03:20<dcraig>SMAAS
03:20<Zimsky>HA
03:20<Zimsky>dcraig: if you laugh for me, are you an haproxy instance?
03:21<dcraig>jejeje
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03:21<montigny34>user 1 ca nconnect but not user 2 when i change the home directory
03:22<Zimsky>dcraig: https://translate.google.com/#es/en/jajajaja
03:22<dcraig>fire user 2 and have user 1 do both jobs
03:22<Zimsky>dcraig: I always interpret it as "yesyesyesyes"
03:22<Zimsky>dcraig++
03:23<Zimsky>user2 sounds like a no-good slacker
03:28<montigny34>there's something not working when i have a home directory inside another one
03:29<Zimsky>because nesting home directories inside other home directories is a bad idea
03:29<Zimsky>it just confuses everything
03:34<montigny34>i want one superadmin
03:35<montigny34>and then allow them to give access to subdirectories inide their home folder to other users
03:36<arlen>check your logs and paste any errors into google
03:36<montigny34>i did
03:37<Zimsky>reading what google returns is also a good idea
03:37<montigny34>i did but it's all about chroot or permissions
03:37<montigny34>and idk how to fix it
03:37<arlen>ok so take the initiative and search more
03:40<Zimsky>montigny34: you can't expect other people to solve every single minor issue or problem you encounter
03:40<Zimsky>especially if you are trying to implement an exotic system
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04:10<Suraj>Hello
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04:15<Suraj>Hello, I WANT TO PURCHASE A LINODE
04:15<rsdehart>Suraj: Have you tried the website?
04:16<rsdehart>Also, there's no need to shout.
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04:16<Zimsky>RSDEHART, THERE IS ALWAYS A REASON TO SHOUT
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07:20<Curiousness>I understand that CentOS prefers stability over the latest features, but serving PHP 5.4.16 is causing quite a bit of silly PHP errors due to backward incompatibility.Does anyone know of a guide on updating PHP to at least 5.5?
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07:24<rsdehart>you mean to at least something that's at least still getting security fixes? This seems reasonable
07:25<rsdehart>Curiousness: I use https://webtatic.com/packages/php56/
07:26<Cromulent>this looks good https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-php-7-on-centos-7
07:26<rsdehart>fair enough. I didn't want php 7 on this particular box
07:26<Cromulent>ah OK
07:27<Curiousness>These are great - many thanks!
07:27<rsdehart>I was deploying Silverstripe, which doesn't yet play well with 7
07:27<Curiousness>I personally prefer security over latest features but errors as simple as "!empty" producing fatal errors are really annoying
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07:28<rsdehart>Curiousness: if you want security, you should want at least 5.5 anyway
07:29<Curiousness>I was under the impression that the default PHP version was the most stable and secure
07:29<Cromulent>they probably back port security fixes
07:29<rsdehart>er, 5.6
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07:30<rsdehart>eh.
07:30<rsdehart>probably
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07:33<hawk>It's "stable" in the sense of not changing, anyway
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07:54<jasonmce>Lish tells me there is a screen on : #.linodename (date/time) (Dead ???). How do I clear the dead console? It says to use "screen -wipe" but that simply gives me "unknown command 'screen -wipe'
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08:00<hawk>jasonmce: Not sure. The message about "screen -wipe" is from screen itself I imagine, not something written with a restricted environment like Lish in mind.
08:02<jasonmce>@Hawk - interesting. I just got a note from linode saying my physical host has an issue, so not as worried about this right now (out of my hands?) but still curious what that "screen -wipe" notification was. Possibly an error message from screen to itself.
08:04<jasonmce>@hawk - thanks for the suggestion and response. Going to back off and let linode tell me about my wonky linode before continuing.
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08:05<hawk>jasonmce: Well, it's a message that assumes you have access to the normal shell, which you don't have in the Lish environment.
08:06<jasonmce>a-ha! That makes much more sense.
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08:30<bytefire>hey guys, just checking out linode pricing page. is there any cancellation policy? so if i want to cancel two months down the line do i have to pay subsctiption penalty?
08:30<bytefire>subscription**
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08:34<ponas>bytefire: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#canceling-your-account
08:34<hawk>bytefire: you'll be paying for what you've used
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08:35<jasonmce>I bring up and drop linodes all the time, never been penalized (to my knowledge).
08:35<bytefire>awesome
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08:46<HoopyCat>my business plan idea: like columbia house, but for VPSes
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08:50<shubham>Do I get whm panel with linode?
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08:51<jasonmce>@HoopyCat - so 12 VPS for $0.01, but you have to buy 6 more at regular price in a year? :-)
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08:52<shubham>Hello do I get whm panel with linode?
08:54<grawity>no
08:55<shubham>cpanel?
08:56<hawk>no panel
08:57<shubham>then how do I access my VPS?
08:58<hawk>Typically ssh
08:58<shubham>okay
08:58<hawk>You can install whatever you want, including your panel of choice, but it doesn't come with any panels.
08:58<shubham>no other contol panel?
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08:59<shubham>VirtualMin (Webmin)?
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09:01<Cromulent>shubham: no you would have to install it yourself
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09:02<shubham>okay
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09:02<aasp>bom dia
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09:03<shubham>so will it be a linux VPS?
09:03<Cromulent>shubham: yes
09:04<shubham>OpenVZ?
09:04<Cromulent>no KVM
09:04<shubham>May I get OpenVZ?
09:04<Cromulent>no
09:04<shubham>Do you provide managed VPS?
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09:04<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
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09:04<Cromulent>!pro
09:04<linbot>https://www.linode.com/professional-services
09:05<Cromulent>see those
09:05<shubham>okay
09:05<shubham>and do you provide windows VPS?
09:05<Cromulent>no
09:05<Cromulent>!winode
09:05<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
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09:42<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Need help understanding the MYSQL config files and optimization <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15090&p=74285#p74285>
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09:58<Distantorigin_>Syslog and daemon.log getting spammed with millions of dhcpoffers and dhcppacks from the Linode DHCP servers. Any advice on tracking this down?
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09:58<HoopyCat>Distantorigin_: pastebin a chunk of the logs?
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09:59<Distantorigin_>It's just on a test/staging server. Nothing's changed, and only noticed when logsize surpassed 15 GB
09:59<Distantorigin_>One second...
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10:03<hawk>Distantorigin_: Are you spamming them with dhcpdiscover/dhcprequest for that to happen? You may want to have a look at the whole picture with eg tcpdump
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10:05<Distantorigin_>Ah, figured out the problem...
10:05<Distantorigin_>https://askubuntu.com/questions/720412/daemon-log-syslog-files-getting-spamed-with-dhcp-information
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10:13<simworx>Hi, I'm having trouble for create a account. I need to speak with someone that can solve my problem.
10:14<Peng>The community may be able to help if you explain what's going wrong, but you may need to contact Linode officially.
10:14<Peng>!contact
10:14<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
10:15<simworx>Thanks, I created a account and few moments later my account has been excluded for no reason. I did two accounts and this happens again
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11:33<petr_>hello
11:33<petr_>Is the linode API to DNS serveres separated from thier DCs?
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11:33<petr_>*their
11:34<Peng>I'd guess the API would be in trouble if Dallas was hit by a meteor.
11:34<Peng>Zone transfers would be fine, though.
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11:42<petr_>>D
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11:49<petr_>Peng: I am thinking how to ensure a high-availability during a downtime of linode DCs. I am trying find a way how to change DNS records to another provider/IP if linode DC would has a problem with meteors ;)
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11:51<Peng>petr_: Well, if any DC other than Dallas is hit by a meteor, the DNS API would probably be fine...
11:52<Peng>And, of course, even if the API is down, DNS will still work, you just won't be able to change records.
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11:59<petr_>That sounds good. Hope the meteor won't be bigger than Dallas.
12:03<Peng>and as i said above, secondary zones are fine with major outages
12:04<Peng>you won't be able to change the configuration (the list of IPs for zone transfers) but you'll be able to make zone transfers to the (surviving) servers
12:06<Peng>IMO, since the manager/API seems to be based on Dallas, it could be sensible to put all your stuff *elsewhere*; if you need to fail over due to a major outage, it's less likely one of your data centers *and* Dallas would be down at the same time.
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12:12<MajObviousman>petr_: the meteor itself may not be larger than Dallas, but if it is anywhere close to the size ... the whole world will end
12:13<Peng>would that cause Uber to enable surge pricing?
12:14<MajObviousman>depends on how robust Uber's HA infrastructure is
12:15<Cromulent>!distros
12:15<linbot>https://www.linode.com/distributions
12:15<petr_>Peng: "but you'll be able to make zone transfers to the (surviving) servers" how? manually?
12:16<Peng>petr_: Same way as before
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12:18<petr_>how? :D via destroyed dallas api?
12:19<Peng>When Linode is operating as a secondary, you use a list of five hostnames (with ten IPs) for zone transfers and notifies.
12:19<MajObviousman>T-12 minutes
12:19<Peng>They're in different data centers, and don't all have to be operable.
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12:37<petr_>Peng: grr, I guess I don't get it... :( So, will be the API accessible during problems in Dallas or not? Look, I am looking for a automated solution when my linode DC in EU would has a problem or when the Dallas DC/API would has problem. In case of problem with linode DC in EU or with probably with the Dallas DC/API I want to failover the DNS records to the second provider.
12:38<MajObviousman>smooth as butta launch
12:38<MajObviousman>is it bizarre that this has almost become routine?
12:42<petr_>wat?
12:42<Peng>petr_: The API and zone transfers are totally separate
12:43<MajObviousman>petr_: CRS-12 launch
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12:47<relidy>MajObviousman: Sad, but awesome (that it's becoming routine)
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12:49<MajObviousman>I won't say sad. Humans are wired intrinsically for homeostasis
12:49<MajObviousman>we've adapted to the thermonuclear Sword of Damocles, haven't we?
12:49<MajObviousman>when's the last time you though about nuclear-tipped missiles aimed at your city that can launch and detonate within 24 minutes?
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12:50<MajObviousman>about 15 seconds ago, I wager
12:50<relidy>Heh, I was going to say probably more recently than you think, but ...
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13:17<petr_>Peng: for sure, but how can I control zone transfers without the API?
13:18<Peng>with... zone transfers
13:18<Peng>It's a million year old standard DNS protocol
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13:19<dwfreed>at least it feels like it
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14:01<petr_>Peng: :D gosh! It looks like there is a big gap in my IT education. But how can I authorized myself to this service (via this a million year old standard DNS protocol).
14:03<Peng>You set up a secondary zone, and the list of associated DNS IP addresses, in the manager.
14:03<Peng>The manager has to be working -- once -- but not afterwards.
14:04<Peng>well, or you can manage a zone via the API
14:09<MajObviousman>I think you start with reading a book
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15:02<itsasadstory>not an auspicious start there
15:02<itsasadstory>Mich: welcome, feel free to ask your question
15:03<Mich>Sorry about that...I'm in my web browser and didn't see the form field for typing at the bottom
15:03<Mich>I was hoping to learn more about Linode with regard to additional storage for backups - if this exists
15:04<Mich>I run FreeBSD and understand that the backup service is not provided.
15:04<itsasadstory>they have a block storage product that is still in beta
15:04<itsasadstory>until then, the only way to get more storage is to increase the size of the plan
15:04<Mich>Ok that makes sense.
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15:06<FluffyFoxeh>The block storage beta is pretty cool
15:06<Mich>I've never worked with Cloud and/or VPS systems - only dedicated servers...Are there any slowdowns when writing to the base system (e.g. /usr/home)?
15:06<FluffyFoxeh>Only available in Newark I think
15:07<FluffyFoxeh>no slowdowns
15:07<FluffyFoxeh>on linode at least
15:07<itsasadstory>Mich: not really..maybe if you were on a host with crazy IO contention or something, but that would be pretty unusual
15:07<millisa>no other customers are in your filesystem. you're setting it up on an empty partition, just like a physical.
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15:09<millisa>if you *were* going to have i/o contention; it wouldn't be just for /usr/home - it'd be for everything
15:09<Mich>Fantastic - thank you. I can see I have some learning to do. Currently I have two raid1 arrays on dedicated servers with backups going from A->B. It sounds like this will make things much easier.
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15:10<millisa>this is a good place to get started: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
15:10<millisa>you could still do your multi-system replication and have A and B in different datacenters even
15:12<Mich>Very interesting...I will definitely look into this further. Thank you for the information. I didn't realize that Linode started offering KVM and only learned that this was available today.
15:14<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • New cloud.linode.com control panel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15015&p=74288#p74288>
15:16<Mich>One other question (thank btw for your answers) - My current data center configured a test account in the cloud system and I was discouraged with the slow disk performance. How does Linode compare to dedicated/standard hardware?
15:16<millisa>it's pretty fast. sign up and find out, you only pay for the time you have linodes provisioned. they have some form of guarantee, too.
15:17<Mich>I am going to do that today for sure :-). I will be using this for web hosting (business sites) - are there any limitations regarding inbound/outbound email?
15:18<millisa>other than 'dont be a spammer', not really. you can do anything (legal) you want with them mostly.
15:19<millisa>https://www.linode.com/tos if you want to read through it
15:21<Mich>That is perfect - I will definitely take a look at the information you have provided. Thank you very much millisa, itsasadstory, and FluffyFoxeh. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Have a wonderful day!
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15:29<AlexMax>So um
15:30<AlexMax>Is there a reason why my linode might get stuck on initial configuration
15:30<AlexMax>Linode Initial Configuration
15:30<AlexMax>Entered: 10 minutes 18 seconds ago - Waiting...
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15:33<AlexMax>now I'm getting kicked out of the admin repeatedly
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15:50<hubert>#linode
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15:51<hubert>nicd
15:51<hubert>nick
15:51<millisa>you are hurbert
15:51<millisa>maybe hubert?
15:52<synfinatic>not to be confused with hubot
15:52<hubert>sorry :)
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15:55<Sadjad>Hi!
15:55<Sadjad>Which operative systems do you support?
15:55<millisa>linodes are mostly linux
15:55<Peng>!distros
15:55<linbot>https://www.linode.com/distributions
15:55<Sadjad>Thanks for the fast answer! :9
15:55<millisa>enterprising folks have gotten others running, but they aren't technically supported
15:55<Sadjad>Will check out the link
15:55<Peng>!custom
15:55<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/running-a-custom-linux-distro-on-a-linode-vps
15:56<Sadjad>possible to install windows server?
15:56<Sadjad>I know, not the one of the favourite ones
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15:56<millisa>possible, probably not advisable for production.
15:56<millisa>!winode
15:56<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
15:57<Sadjad>Mostly as a Test/UAT/QAT server
15:57<Sadjad>Thanks for the answer! Best regards from Sweden!
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16:02<linbot>New news from kernels: Latest 32 bit (4.9.36-x86-linode104) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1500300074#137> || Latest 64 bit (4.9.36-x86_64-linode85) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1500300000#138> || 4.9.36-x86-linode104 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1499692613#262> || 4.9.36-x86_64-linode85 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1499692568#261>
16:04<Peng>:O
16:04<relidy>Bleh. The mass Dallas DC migration begins.
16:05<millisa>did 2 of mine on friday. was about 80MBs on each
16:06<millisa>the 48gb linode took a couple hours
16:06<Peng>I got migrated last Xen vulnerability.
16:06<Peng>A monh ago? Two
16:06<Peng>?
16:06<relidy>I had three last Friday. Looks like at least 3 more in a few weeks. None of them are particularly large, and all are already KVM, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Just an annoyance.
16:07<Peng>I wonder what IBM did. Raise prices? Fill the data center with sewage? Kick Linode's ass in Overwatch?
16:07<millisa>my 48gb one hadn't taken the birthday ram u pgrade . i felt like an idiot and didn't tell it to do that for its migration to dallas2... so I ended up migrating it twice
16:08<relidy>Heh, two of mine that just moved are short about 3 birthday upgrades. I've been too afraid to touch the stack until my hand was forced on this one.
16:11<pharaun>lol
16:11<relidy>I feel a lot better now since that forced us to evaluate everything. We're in a much better place now.
16:11<pharaun>?
16:12<relidy>Sorry, pharaun, just replying to myself.
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16:27<web_guru>Hi, everyone
16:27*relidy waves
16:27<web_guru>I have trouble in connecting to Linode server via SSH
16:27<synfinatic>we may be able to help with that
16:27<web_guru>I entered correct username and password, but it says "Login incorrect"
16:28<web_guru>I could login to linode manager in browser with that username/pwd
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16:28<synfinatic>did you set "PasswordAuthentication no" in your sshd config?
16:28<synfinatic>oh, just saw your other message
16:29<relidy>SSH and the Linode Manager do not share authentication systems, so unless you've previously set the username/password the same, you shouldn't expect that to work.
16:29<synfinatic>so the linode webui user/pass is different from the ssh user/pass
16:29<Zimsky>is that a statement or a question
16:29<synfinatic>if you just launched your linode, the username is 'root' and the password you entered when you launched it
16:30<web_guru>well, there is no way to recover SSH credentials?
16:31<relidy>web_guru: You can boot the machine into "Rescue Mode" and reset the password. https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild
16:31<synfinatic>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#resetting-the-root-password
16:32<relidy>Oh, right. There's the whole ... ^
16:32<Zimsky>wololo
16:32<web_guru>Thank you, guys
16:32<web_guru>Let me try this solution :D
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16:49<Eliz>Peng: IBM is incompetent
16:50<Eliz>we got our IBM account manager to call themselves imcompetent
16:50<Eliz>I've got a todo list to get that email framed
16:50<synfinatic>#winning
16:50<Peng>At least they don't accidentally unplug the power on an annual basis :P
16:50<Zimsky>except IBM engineers
16:50<Zimsky>they're pretty cool
16:50<Eliz>Zimsky: define "engineer"
16:51<Zimsky>Eliz: person who designs the technical shit
16:51<Zimsky>what else?
16:51<Eliz>because I know a few incompetent people appended with "Engineer" at IBM and they're far from cool
16:51<Eliz>:p
16:51<synfinatic>i once worked at a startup. the founder/cto would do sales calls and basically would tell perspective clients "you're stupid, so you should give us money"
16:51<MajObviousman>you recognize that IBM is a hyyyuuuugggeee company right?
16:51<MajObviousman>you've seen one small part of one small part of IBM
16:51<Zimsky>Eliz: is everyone you come across incompetent?
16:51<Eliz>MajObviousman: yeah, I'm being a smartass
16:51<synfinatic>to be fair, IBM keeps getting smaller :)
16:52<synfinatic>or :( if you're one of the people laid off
16:52<MajObviousman>clearly
16:52<Eliz>and in the case of this channel, we're specifically talking about SoftLayer
16:52<Zimsky>says MajObviousman
16:52<MajObviousman>what'd I say?
16:52<Zimsky>then why did you not say
16:52<Zimsky><MajObviousman> clearly
16:52<Zimsky>bit redundant innit
16:52<Eliz>(Peng was commenting "What did IBM due to Linode, and Linode was a SoftLayer company)
16:52*MajObviousman
16:52<Eliz>customer *
16:53<Zimsky>linode was a softlayer company?
16:53<Eliz>Zimsky: read the correction, smartass
16:53*MajObviousman cradles face in hands
16:53<Eliz>:p
16:53<Zimsky>Eliz: I don't know what you were correcting
16:53<Zimsky>you know what you were correcting
16:53<Zimsky>but that was vague
16:53<Eliz>MajObviousman: shhhh, shhhh, you'll get plenty of that soon again lol
16:53*Zimsky whacks Eliz with dcraig
16:54<MajObviousman>you know, I haven't signed anything yet, so I could still back out
16:54<Eliz>Zimsky: what's literally the only word in that sentence that could've been replaced with "customer"
16:54<Eliz>sorry it takes more than 2 braincells to compute that, heh
16:54<Zimsky>elky: IBM
16:54<MajObviousman>Eliz: weeeellll, no
16:54<itsasadstory>i'm convinced that softlayer's support staff are actually just one bot with a bunch of poorly translated text expanders that they spam at you
16:54<Zimsky>wait not you elky
16:54<Zimsky>Eliz: IBM
16:54<Peng>D:
16:54<Eliz>Zimsky: "What did customer do to Linode, and Linode was a SoftLayer Company"
16:54<Zimsky>C:
16:55<Eliz>Zimsky: that doesn't make sense ;)
16:55<Eliz>itsasadstory: we automatically escalate to managers at this point
16:55<Eliz>itsasadstory: that's what our account manager told us to do at least, LOL
16:55<Zimsky>Eliz: careful not to drown in self-righteousness
16:55<MajObviousman>I can see direct word replacements that would fit, and if I allow Levenshtein distance (e.g. some typos in original sentance left uncorrected), I can come with even more
16:55<Eliz>Zimsky: I think you hold that title pretty well
16:56<Zimsky>Eliz: ikr
16:56<Zimsky>Eliz: s/\b\w+\b/customer/g
16:56<Zimsky>think like middle management
16:56<itsasadstory>like, support at a hosting company is typically dicey at best (Linode is way better than most, imho - though I'm a bit biased there) but even by the lowest standards softlayer fails
16:56<Eliz>itsasadstory: anyway, the reality is tier1 is usually pretty unaware of outages,
16:56<MajObviousman>this feels like an episode of Seinfeld, if all the characters were Linux nerds
16:56<Zimsky>actually that can just be done without boundaries
16:56<Zimsky>s/\w+/customer/g
16:57<Zimsky>MajObviousman: did you just assume my flavour of unix?
16:57<Zimsky>I am a bsd nerd
16:59<MajObviousman>I stopped caring after I read "did you just assume"
16:59<Zimsky>I was mocking the whole "did you assume the gender" thing
17:00<pharaun>>.>
17:00<Zimsky>while I do in fact use bsd more than linux, I don't actually give a shit
17:00<pharaun>plz dont, tyvm
17:00<Zimsky>don't what
17:00<Zimsky>don't give a shit?
17:01<Zimsky>that's what I said
17:01<MajObviousman>when you look back at your scrollback and it is >70% you talking ... maybe that's a clue to talk less
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17:01<MajObviousman>except for certain rare circumstances, like jcanto_ showing up
17:01<Zimsky>MajObviousman: tell that to pong
17:01<MajObviousman>wait, that's not rare at all
17:02<MajObviousman>jcanto_: didn't you fix this?
17:02<MajObviousman>jcanto_: find that peer fucker and choke the life out of him for resetting your connection all the time
17:02<itsasadstory>oh yeah i thought he did
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17:03<Zimsky>MajObviousman: well, I still think you're an okay chap
17:03<Zimsky>predominantly due to your name
17:03<MajObviousman>thanks?
17:03<jcanto_>sorry
17:03<jcanto_>Yes I fixed
17:04<jcanto_>but now I am verifyng an Openvpn session
17:05<jcanto_>I was trying to find how to revoke a user when the certificate was deleted
17:06<petr_>Peng: "The manager has to be working -- once -- but not afterwards." and the manager is what? A linode service for manging my DNS records? Or you meant some general service?
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17:06<Peng>petr_: https://manager.linode.com/
17:07<Peng>petr_: I mean the "Add a zone" button. (You can also use the API, but i wasn't sure of that before i said that.)
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17:10<petr_>Peng: I was writing about the case with the meteor in Dallas :) When the manager is down but the DC in EU is OK. How can I manage the DNS in this case. I would like to change IP to DC from second provider.
17:11<Zimsky>the linode manager is the control panel for all your linode stuff
17:11<Zimsky>not just DNS
17:12<Peng>petr_: As i said earlier, you can use a secondary zone
17:12<Peng>axfr1.linode.com and the rest of the southern United States would not exist, but the other ones would be operating fine
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17:20<Zimsky>petr_ came back though
17:20<petr_> Zimsky: but as far as I understand it, the linode manager is not decentralized for problem cases, or am I wrong?
17:21<Zimsky>how do you define "problem cases"?
17:21<Zimsky>and the linode manager isn't decentralised at all
17:22<Cromulent>petr_: if the manager is down you could always use the API to manage DNS I would imagine? Never done it myself but I guess it might work
17:22<Peng>I have the impression the API and manager are equally centralized.
17:22<Peng>petr_: Zone transfers aren't centralized.
17:23<Cromulent>ah OK
17:28<petr_>Peng, Cromulent: I thought that the API === the manager === Dallas DC.
17:29<Peng>I'm not certain that's true, but i think it is.
17:29<petr_>So, the secondary zone should/could be set up before the disaster?
17:29<Peng>Yes.
17:30<Peng>And it raises the question of where your primary nameservers would be
17:30<Peng>A different option is using a non-Linode DNS provider.
17:30<petr_>it is overkill.
17:32<Peng>Multiple DNS providers*
17:34<petr_>Peng: why? DNS records should be decentralized...
17:34<MajObviousman>ever ask why we drink
17:36<petr_>MajObviousman: why do you drink? :D
17:36*MajObviousman stares
17:37<dzho>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHjaW9sXl7s
17:37<petr_>Peng: btw, do you work for Linode?
17:38<Peng>I'm afraid not. :X
17:39<petr_>Peng: that answer was for which question? :D
17:39<MajObviousman>http://i.imgur.com/ZXBaNgh.jpg
17:42<Peng>I don't work for Linode. :P
17:43<MajObviousman>but you play one on TV?
17:44<petr_>lol but you should, I was surprised by this support :D
17:45<Zimsky>petr_: the nature of the current domain name system makes decentralisation a bit tricky
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17:47<petr_>Zimsky: why?
17:47<Zimsky>read up on how it works
17:47<MajObviousman>all things considered, the DNS system works pretty well
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17:48<Zimsky>except for transport security
17:48<Zimsky>MajObviousman has RAS syndrome
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17:50<petr_>Zimsky: tell me what you meant
17:51<Zimsky>I'm not about to explain the entire domain name system
17:51<Zimsky>but DNS is, by nature, centralised
17:51<petr_>Zimsky: but you pointed to one specific problem...
17:51<Zimsky>subject to definition and frame of reference
17:51<Zimsky>I didn't
17:51<Zimsky>I'm speaking generally
17:52<petr_>about one problem
17:52<Zimsky>and I don't know what that problem is
17:53<petr_>anyway I should read more about DNS
17:54<MajObviousman>Zimsky: http://media.riffsy.com/images/cdfe8e48ac1f689cfbce233a8f316064/tenor.gif ?
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17:55<Zimsky>MajObviousman: are you adding comedy to it or are you also looking for an elaboration
17:55<Zimsky>either way, lol
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17:59<MajObviousman>oh I see it
17:59<Ikaros>Huh, well apparently my IPv6 tunnel went poof.
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18:02<relidy>Yeah, the Dallas server's down
18:03<relidy>Ikaros: Hit me too
18:03<arlen>RIP
18:03<Ikaros>Yup, started getting a route loop
18:03<Ikaros>[::ffff:216.218.224.42] - after my gateway address which manages the /48 for my entire local network.
18:03<Ikaros>Over and over, lol
18:04<Ikaros>Seems HE's Ashburn server, one of their Miami servers, and their Amsterdam server, all down as well
18:07<Zimsky>ha, nice one arlen
18:08<arlen>thanks 👍
18:10<Ikaros>I am so thankful for Unicode sometimes.
18:10<Ikaros>lol
18:11<Zimsky>unicode sucks though
18:13<arlen>😢
18:16<Ikaros>Your face sucks too
18:20<Cromulent>does anyone here use core os and containers to deploy their apps? I just discovered that Linode supports CoreOS and thought I'd do some research into it
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18:37<FluffyFoxeh>I have a LXC container
18:38<FluffyFoxeh>for my email
18:38<FluffyFoxeh>:p
18:48<Cromulent>I've just installed Docker on my development virtual machine because that is what all the cool kids are doing these days apparently :)
18:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Recursive Stackscripts <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15091&p=74284#p74284>
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19:04<belalamin>hello everyone
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19:57<FluffyFoxeh>!s
19:57<linbot>https://status.linode.com/
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20:49<Ikaros>Well there's the problem with HE's Dallas IPv6 tunnel. Routing loop - HE's Dallas tunnel server is tossing back to the core router which is tossing it back to the tunnel server (rinse and repeat). Heh. Wonder if they know about it yet, I can probably assume its been like that the entire time its been down, lol.
20:50<Ikaros>I really need to work on a backup IPv6 tunnel through maybe MCI or something.
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21:41<relidy>Ikaros: Looks like the tunnel server's back up.
21:42<Ikaros>Yeah.
21:42<Ikaros>Still, I should set up a backup tunnel elsewhere like Kansas City or something.
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22:23<dcraig>Ikaros hacked into my tunnel :(
22:23<arlen>uh oh
22:25<Ikaros>Sometimes I wish I had that sort of skill. But it would be more white hat/personal tinkering.
22:26<Ikaros>That "feel good" sort of feeling knowing that you might have potentially helped close a gaping security hole that would have otherwise gone completely unnoticed until it was too late and some malicious actor exploited it.
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23:00<jacobs817>Anyone familiar with Nginx? I'm having difficulties with server blocks
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23:17<Woet>bye
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