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00:17<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP 5.6 CentOS 7 <>
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00:31<David_R>Hi, I am considering linode for my deployment. I need a modified version of CentOS can I upload my own linux OS version?
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00:34<FluffyFoxeh>David_R: yes
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00:36<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: no
00:36<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: yes
00:37<Zimsky>superposition of both yes and no
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00:37*FluffyFoxeh observes it
00:37<FluffyFoxeh>it says "yes"
00:38<David_R>is there a guide for that procedure?
00:38<Zimsky>but what was the significance of the observer effect
00:41<David_R>thank you!
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01:20<montigny34>hey all, could somebody help me send my files from my local server to my remote server?
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01:20<montigny34>for some reason when i run the ssh command it only does it once instead of doing it twice
01:20<Zimsky>google knows
01:20<millisa>it only does what once?
01:21<Zimsky>millisa: it.
01:21<Zimsky>he was very specific
01:21<montigny34>so i havea bash script that selects the username and database associated with it, so far it returns 2 usernames and 2 databases, 1 for each username.
01:21<montigny34>I run a for loop that creates a mysql dump of each database name
01:21<millisa>this feels like a grandpa story.
01:22<montigny34>that creates 2 files
01:22<Zimsky>millisa: well back in my day
01:22<montigny34>i then add my ssh line below the mysql dump
01:22<Zimsky>you got off the lawn.
01:22<montigny34>but it only does it for one .sql file not both?
01:22<grawity>your ssh line is wrong
01:22<montigny34>it's like the ssh line ignores the for loop
01:22<grawity>please pastebin your whole script
01:22<millisa>or your loop
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01:25<grawity>are you ssh'ing to a different server, or looping around to the same one?
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01:25<montigny34>i ssh into my other server to add each file
01:25*Zimsky shells grawity
01:25<montigny34>but after the first ssh the loop stops therefor it only adds one file
01:26<Zimsky>have you considered making pastry?
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01:26<montigny34>there goes my help :(
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01:27<montigny34>millisa any idea why my for loop stops after the first ssh?
01:27<Zimsky>dcraig is somewhere
01:28*Zimsky shells dcraig and encourages pastrymaking
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01:28<Zimsky>don't do that
01:29<montigny34>You cal shell people but I can't slap you around with a fishbot :P
01:29<Zimsky>nailed it
01:29<montigny34>would you have any idea what I'm doing wrong Zimsky?
01:29<Zimsky>probably your bash script
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01:30<montigny34>ooou ssh -n did it!
01:30<millisa>the mysql command has a -e switch for running a query frmom the command line. not sure you need all that extra piping
01:31<montigny34>I'm still learning bash and whatnot so most likely you're right millisa:
01:31*dcraig tickles zimsky around a bit with a large black swallower
01:32<millisa>if your goal is to just to do a full backup of all the user db's in mysql, but kicked off from a remote system, you might want to look at things that already do that rather than reinventing wheels and such
01:32<Zimsky>this script is weird
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01:32<Zimsky>it does questionable things
01:32<Zimsky>and makes me want to eat glass
01:32<millisa>i like the 'holland' mysqldump stuff; it'll do compression, keep X number of old copies, gets your my.cnf
01:32<montigny34>when transferring my .sql files to my remote server, i tried using gzip but when they go to my remote server they aren't zipped files they just have .sql.gz extension?
01:32<Zimsky>dcraig: glass tastes like blood, it's weird
01:33<Zimsky>you'd never have thought it
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01:36<montigny34>is a .gz a zipped file?
01:36<montigny34>because it doesn't look like one
01:36<millisa>usually gz files are gzipped filed
01:36<FluffyFoxeh>wow grawity was salty about the shelling
01:37<montigny34>millisa: so if i did gzip database.sql and sent it to my folder
01:37<montigny34>sent it to my remote server**
01:37<montigny34>should it appear as a zipped file?
01:37<montigny34>or just have the extension .gz
01:37<millisa>if you gzip a file, copy it somewhere, it is still a gzipped file unless you change it
01:38<montigny34>so i wouldn't be able to do much with a .gz file on a windows computer then
01:38<millisa>why not?
01:38<montigny34>i right clicked on the file but it doesn't allow me to decompress it?
01:39<millisa>are you using something that understands gzipped files?
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01:39<montigny34>it's also a blank page (file icon) instead of the folder with a zipper?
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01:42<montigny34>ahh nvm you're right lol
01:42<dcraig>a winrar is you
01:42<arlen>install 7zip on your windows machine and you'll be able to open it
01:42<millisa>current winzip too
01:42<montigny34>okay here's my last question of the night
01:42<millisa>or just zip the file instead of gzipping it
01:42<montigny34>i have 7zip actually
01:43<montigny34>in my pastebin, how would i add a condition to my for loop?
01:44<FluffyFoxeh>WinZip and WinRAR cost money and 7zip doesn't
01:44<montigny34>oh nvm
01:44<FluffyFoxeh>so there's that
01:45<montigny34>if i want to sue rsync for folders and send it to my remote server, if I zip them before using rsync it will upload the whole folder correct?
01:45<montigny34>s it would be easier to use the built rsync compression method?
01:45<Zimsky>don't sue rsync
01:46<montigny34>use ** loool
01:47<montigny34>did zimsky just help me out O.o
01:47<Zimsky>I was showing you how you could help yourself
01:47<FluffyFoxeh>Once or twice I've had an issue with rsync -z where it would stop transferring
01:47<Zimsky>montigny34: I literally searched "rsync compression vs zip"
01:47<Zimsky>montigny34: and that was the first link
01:48<montigny34>FluffyFoxeh: was it due to very large amounts of files?
01:48<FluffyFoxeh>I don't recall, but I don't think so
01:48<FluffyFoxeh>It was a bug
01:49<millisa>'large amount of files'. for some folks that's thousands. for some that's millions.
01:49<millisa>for me. 2. two is too many.
01:49<Zimsky>oh well look at you
01:49<FluffyFoxeh>I routinely transfer tens of thousands
01:49<Zimsky>depends how you define a file
01:50<FluffyFoxeh>one inode
01:50<Zimsky>so one inode on the current disk
01:50<Zimsky>so if I tarball it, it's now just one file
01:50<FluffyFoxeh>as far as rsync is concerned
01:51<Zimsky>rinky dink doo
01:54<montigny34>zip /etc/scripts/$db_name.sql > /etc/scripts/$
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01:54<montigny34>why is this creating empty .zips?
01:54<millisa>You'll be surprised to know, we don't know what 'this' is.
01:55<montigny34>i pasted my line of bash script, "it" references to this "zip /etc/scripts/$db_name.sql > /etc/scripts/$"
01:55<millisa>Do you know about the 'man' command?
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01:55<montigny34>what's 'man'?
01:55<millisa>Try it: 'man zip'
01:56<millisa>you've likely got lots of help for lots of things right at your finger tips, right there on the shell.
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01:58<millisa>and considering your earlier questions, 'man bash' might give you a whole evening of reading
02:00<Zimsky>man theharpoons
02:02<montigny34>the man didn't help me
02:05<montigny34>zip example.sql
02:05<montigny34>returns and error
02:05<Zimsky>the man page for something is, in most cases, the bible of the functionality for that command
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02:07<millisa>did you read the 'use' section, right after the 'description' section?
02:08<montigny34>my .zips keep zipping 0 data
02:08<millisa>yeah, that wasn't the question
02:08<millisa>did you read the use section?
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02:09<montigny34>i did
02:09<montigny34>it zips properly but my .zip contains 0 files?
02:09<millisa>alright, did you read the bit where it talked about the basic command format?
02:10<montigny34>i don't see that section
02:10<millisa>its in the use section.
02:11<millisa>depending on the program you are using to read the man file, it might even be bolded for you
02:11<montigny34>zip options archive inpath inpath
02:11<montigny34>that part?
02:11<millisa>that looks like the basic command format, yep
02:12<millisa>they probably even give an example of it after they talk about it
02:12<millisa>using words like 'foo'
02:12<montigny34>zip example.txt
02:12<millisa>alright, compare that to what you were running
02:12<montigny34>should zip example.txt into
02:12<montigny34>that's what i ran
02:12<montigny34>but the .zip is empty
02:12<Zimsky>why are you zipping anyway
02:12<Zimsky>just targz it
02:12<millisa>you said this: "zip /etc/scripts/$db_name.sql > /etc/scripts/$"
02:12<montigny34>right now a file with one line of text
02:13<montigny34>i changed it afterwards
02:13<Zimsky>I almost never see zip used in prod scenarios
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02:48<arlen>it's encrypted
02:48<dcraig>password was password
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03:10<dcraig>full of whitesnake mp3s
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03:45<rsdehart>>not flac
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04:49<Ahmed>How may i know the location that avaible?
04:50<grawity>they're listed at
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05:00<eric>Hi all. Hoping someone can help point me in the right direction. I restart apache every morning at 7am via crontab with 'service apache2 restart > /dev/null 2>&1' but this morning the restart failed and apache remained stopped. The last entry in the apache log is 'caught SIGTERM, shutting down'. Any ideas on how best to troubleshoot?
05:01<ponas>eric: you could remove > /dev/null 2>&1 to catch the output/errors form the command next time
05:04<eric>ah, i wondered that. so if i take that out of the crontab command will it log the output in the apache log file?
05:05<ponas>it'll mail errors to root@localhost at least
05:06<ponas>perhaps there's more info in your syslog
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05:09<eric>unfortunately nothing useful in the syslog (just confirmation that the restart command was executed).
05:11<grawity>because you told cron to hide everything useful, with the >&null
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05:13<eric>i see. it seemed standard practice to include that in the cron but no doubt i've misunderstood something there.
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05:17<grawity>it's standard practice when you don't *care* about something succeeding or failing, and just want to avoid the email reports
05:20<eric>So by not sending the email reports is that also preventing logging to the apache / system log? Would that logging happen before the email is sent (if I wasn't redirecting the output)?
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05:29<eric>That doesn't seem right. I can understand the output of the command not being sent via email by cron but I wouldn't expect this to prevent apache from writing to the logs. Especially since a SIGTERM entry was logged. Anyway, I'll remove the STDERR redirection at the very least for next time. Thank you grawity and ponas for your help.
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05:31<Limp>Hi. Can somebody answer on one question: linode has some limits for servers per accaunt? For example 1 account 10 servers max, or else. Thanks.
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06:23<Peng>What the heck happened on Freenode
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06:29<Peng>Never mind, partly
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06:32<praetorian>Peng: i told them about you.
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08:53<Ravi>can any one tell me How to install php 'curl extension' on my linode server
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08:54<grawity>depends on which Linux distribution you've selected
08:55<Zimsky>welcome back grawity
08:56<Ravi>Linode 8GB 8 GB 4 Cores 96 GB SSD 4 TB 40 Gbps 1000 Mbps
08:56<Ravi>I am using this plan
08:56<grawity>it has nothing to do with your plan
08:57<Ravi>Then my developers are asking, to place a request for my server host provider to install install php 'curl extension' on my linode server
08:57<grawity>Linode generally doesn't do that unless you're paying for ... "Linode Managed", I think?
08:58<grawity>otherwise the general answer is "use whatever your Linux distro provides"
08:58<grawity>on Debian I think that's the "php-curl" package
08:58<Ravi>Are you sure?
08:59<Ravi>Php curl package is inbuilt ??
09:01<Ravi>Grawity@ i am waiting for ur reply
09:01<grawity>I'm still waiting for yours
09:01<grawity>what Linux distribution is your server running? Debian? CentOS? Ubuntu?
09:02<grawity> says you need the "php-curl" package
09:02<grawity>install it with apt-get
09:02<Ravi>can you give the guidance
09:03<grawity>apt-get install php-curl
09:03<Ravi>any reference link
09:04<grawity> and
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09:22<Ravi>Hello, i tried to install php-curl on my linode ubuntu
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09:22<Ravi>Its showing installed.
09:22<Ravi>How to check it from my self
09:22<Ravi>whether it is installed or not
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09:23<grawity>upload a webpage with <?php phpinfo(); ?>, open it in the browser, and see if it lists curl or not
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09:32<Ravi>My developer had asked me like this ; Hello sir, Please contact your host support to enable php 'curl extension' on your server
09:32<Ravi>I got installed the package
09:33<Ravi>I have enable it or else, it will be enable by default??
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09:34<Ravi>can any one aswer me plz
09:35<Ravi>My developer had asked me like this ; Hello sir, Please contact your host support to enable php 'curl extension' on your server
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09:36<Ravi>I have installed the package in my server and have to enable it or else by default. it will get enable??
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09:37<ponas>it is usually enabled by default when installed, but you may need to restart FPM or your webserver depending on how your stack looks
09:38<Ravi>oh, can i restart the server??
09:38<ponas>you don't need to reboot the whole server, only whatever daemon you have running PHP
09:40<ponas>i.e. 'service php7.0-fpm restart' if using php7 via fpm
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10:29<Ravi>The upload problem is 'Permission denied'. Permission for all folders inside this directory (storage/uploads) must be 777. Please set the permission to 777
10:29<tonyyarusso>Ugh. Bad person who wrote that error message.
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10:29<Ravi>My developer is facing the above problem, give me guidance
10:30<tonyyarusso>Ravi: How are you trying to upload, as what user, and what is the owner/group and permissions on the directory?
10:31<Ravi>by using file zilla
10:31<MajObviousman>Ravi: it's telling you exactly what you need to change
10:31<MajObviousman>just follow the directions
10:32<tonyyarusso>No, please don't...777 is a bad idea. Use group permissions or ACLs.
10:32<Ravi>See, my developer sent an email as follow
10:32<Ravi>The upload problem is 'Permission denied'. Permission for all folders inside this directory (storage/uploads) must be 777. Please set the permission to 777
10:32<Ravi>I am not that much of technical person
10:33<MajObviousman>we gathered
10:33<MajObviousman>you are using a service which demands technical compotency
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10:33<MajObviousman>your best bet is to hire someone to fix it
10:33<Ravi>He is saying that, the problem is with the server service provider only
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10:34<MajObviousman>first question, is the site even hosted on a Linode?
10:34<MajObviousman>what brought you here?
10:34<Ravi>yes its hosted on linode
10:34<tonyyarusso>Do either you or your developer have a basic understanding of Linux file permissions?
10:35<Ravi>I will tell you clearly, Previously we use to get service from HG(hostgator) server and now we changed our server to linode
10:35<Ravi>ok Tony
10:35<Ravi>tell me
10:36<MajObviousman>say please
10:36<Ravi>After changing the server, Some of function are not working in my website
10:37<MajObviousman>are you paying for either of those?
10:37<ponas>Ravi: you could consider giving your developer access to the server so he can fix these issues himself
10:37<Ravi>So, i have contacted the website service provider and they said that , there is a problem with hosting
10:37<Ravi>i am ready to give the access
10:38<Ravi>But, they don't know about the process, guide me. What to tell them
10:38*tonyyarusso notes that he's already up to...four questions that have been asked and not answered - stack is full
10:38<MajObviousman>I sense a language barrier
10:39<MajObviousman>and a culture divide here
10:39<MajObviousman>Ravi: we don't work for free
10:39<MajObviousman>note that neither ponas, tonyyarusso, nor myself are employees of Linode
10:39<Ravi>See, my third party website service providers are saying that
10:40<ponas>Ravi: when you switched from hostgator to linode you basically gave yourself the responsibility for the hosting
10:40<Ravi>I am not asking you to work on it
10:40<MajObviousman>you are asking us to deploy technical knowledge to solve your problem. That's asking us to work on it
10:40<Ravi>Yes, i hired a person for migration. He didn't do the migration well
10:40<ponas>hire a different person
10:41<Ravi>hmm, can you conform that 77 7 permission is there or not in linode
10:41<MajObviousman>it is possible to set a directory to 777 permissions in Linux. Most every Linode VPS is a Linux system.
10:42<MajObviousman>it is inadvisable to set a directory to 777 permissions, hence why you should hire a knowledgeable person to advise you on what you should actually change
10:42<ponas>fwiw, 777 permission can be given with: chmod 777 path-to-storage-slash-uploads-folder
10:42<Ravi>How to set 777 permissons
10:43<ponas>MajObviousman: you seem to be stating the obvious, man :-)
10:43<tonyyarusso>Ravi: You may find this helpful:
10:43<Ravi>ok, i will hire a good person who can do the migration properly
10:44<MajObviousman>ponas: thank you for the endorsement. My boss will be quite pleased to hear of yet another satisified customer
10:44<tonyyarusso>Although that really only covers the concept, not getting into what may or may not be advisable.
10:45<Ravi>Thanks for all your support
10:45<MajObviousman>expect an invoice in a few days. NET30 please
10:45<ponas>A good advice is to do the right thing, and avoid doing the wrong thing
10:46<MajObviousman>ponas: the Obviousman ranks are recruiting. We could use good people like you
10:46<ponas>this changed my life:
10:47<ponas>should have taken that advice before I sold 25 BTC at $10
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11:40<bobby>hi :)
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11:41<Megaf>hey bobby
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11:42<bobby>could somebody help me figure out why my tar command inside my bash script won't work but when i run it outside the bash script via terminal it works perfectly fine?
11:43<Peng>Maybe. What happens?
11:43<Peng>What are the commands? What should happen?
11:43<MajObviousman>bobby: are you running the bash script via crontab or similar?
11:43<bobby>right now just sh
11:44<bobby>tar -zcvf $username.tar.gz /etc/backups/$username
11:44<bobby>This works fine when i replace $username with the name of a directory using terminal, inside my bash script I declare that variable as it does a bunch of other things prior to running tar command. But it doesn't tar anything when used in my bash script?
11:44<MajObviousman>stick an echo in front and verify that $username is what you expect it to be
11:44<Peng>Maybe it does tar everything, but it's located in a weird directory?
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11:45<bobby>what command would i run to look through all my folders for the .tar.gz file in case it did get written somewhere unexpected?
11:46<MajObviousman>find /path/to/directory -name "$username.tar.gz"
11:46<Peng>find -name whatever.tar.gz
11:46<Peng>find / -name whatever.tar.gz would look everywhere (that your user can access)
11:48<bobby>it is inside /etc/nmonti.tar.gz
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11:51<bobby>oh crap i just noticed my mistake aha
11:52<bobby>i did $username.tar.gz instead of /etc/backups/$username.tar.gz
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11:56<bobby>is it possible to tell tar to only run on unique usernames?
11:57<bobby>so if I return using mysql username1, username2, username3,username3 it would only tar username3 once instead of twice?
11:59<relidy>bobby: You might be looking for something like this:
12:00<MajObviousman>bobby: you could run it through a filter
12:00<MajObviousman>if each name is on its own line, then pipe it through | sort | uniq
12:01<MajObviousman>you could also append each username it to a temporary and grep the file for a filename before untarring. If the grep comes back with a hit, don't untar it
12:01<MajObviousman>just delete the temporary file when your script is done
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12:04<bobby>right now i am doing a backup of every usernames /var/www/username directory to backup their files and each database associated with their username
12:04<bobby>in my select query it returns for example usernam1 - database, username1 - database
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12:17<montigny34>hey guys ! Can I bug you for a quick question?
12:17<montigny34>mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'user'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect
12:18<montigny34>this happens when i do mysqldump -uUSER -pPass blah blah
12:18<montigny34>but it creates the dump sucessfully?
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12:20<relidy>montigny34: You sure it actually dumped the database and didn't just create an empty file?
12:21<montigny34>sorry that's what it is doing
12:21<montigny34>creating an empty file
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12:21<montigny34>i found out that if i do mysqldump -u user -p
12:21<FluffyFoxeh>are you using the correct username and password, and does that user have the necessary permissions?
12:21<montigny34>it asks for my password and runs sccucessfully
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12:22<montigny34>i've tried it with root and it doesn't change anything, permissions aren't the issue and yes the creds are correct
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12:22<FluffyFoxeh>the shell probably did something to your password argument
12:22<FluffyFoxeh>if that's the case
12:22<montigny34>it's an issue with providing my password on the mysqldump command
12:22<montigny34>if I have $$ in my password do i need to escape them?
12:23<abrin> I've got a sales/config question -- if I need more physical drive space, like in the TB, what options are available?
12:23<itsasadstory>buy a larger Linode
12:23<itsasadstory>there is a block storage product but it's in beta
12:23<montigny34>abrin: linode offers free storage at the moment
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12:23<montigny34>abrin: up to 1TB
12:23<relidy>abrin: Block storage is in beta. That'll probably handle it as well.
12:24<itsasadstory>lol wot
12:24<montigny34>abrin: pricing should be 10$ every 100GB once it's in production
12:24<FluffyFoxeh>montigny34: yes, dollar signs need to be escaped on the shell. or put it in single quotes
12:24<abrin>I must be blind, is there info on block storage on the website?
12:24<itsasadstory>yeah i would not rely on that beta that is only in newark for anything in production
12:25<montigny34>wonderful that was it, thank you everybody :)
12:25<abrin>I've lived in NJ, Newark isn't that bad
12:25<abrin>thanks for the link
12:26<FluffyFoxeh>i think his point was that it's NJ-only currently, so you couldn't use other datacentres
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12:27<relidy>Drat, the irc logs are apparently down. montigny34: the password problem you're having is the same issue as what dwfreed mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Bash is expanding the $$ to the PID
12:27<montigny34>if [ ! -d /etc/backups/$usernamei/$username ]; then echo 'test' else tar -czf /etc/backups/$username.tar.gz /etc/backups/$username fi
12:27<montigny34>would this be something that would only tar once?
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12:35<FluffyFoxeh>it will tar if /etc/backups/$usernamei/$username exists and is a directory
12:37<montigny34>mmm this will not work then
12:38<montigny34>is a username has multiple databases i need it to run a mysqldump on each one and add it to /etc/backups/$username folder
12:38<montigny34>then once all their databases have been dumped i want the tar to run
12:38<montigny34>so the way i have it now is that it will tar after the first database is backed up
12:38<montigny34>and then it wont tar again
12:41<FluffyFoxeh>why have you written it to do that?
12:41<montigny34>the way i just mentionned using the if statement?
12:42<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, if you want it to run every time then why did you make it run only once
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>(What I'm unclear on is the purpose of that conditional)
12:43<montigny34>because i don't want tar to run more than once
12:43<montigny34>okay let me re explain
12:43<montigny34>in my mysql query it returns every username and their associated databases
12:43<montigny34>right now i only have 1 user with 2 databases
12:44<montigny34>so the select returns user1 - database and user1 - other database
12:44<montigny34>i run a mysqldump on each database
12:44<FluffyFoxeh>you could make it conditional on the existence of /etc/backups/$username.tar.gz
12:44<FluffyFoxeh>since that's the tar file you're creating
12:44<montigny34>i still need to run it at the end though
12:44<montigny34>i think my script isn't written properly for what I'm trying to achieve though...
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12:58<montigny34>FluffyFoxeh: how would i say for each $username do this
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12:58<montigny34>and then for each $database do this
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12:58<FluffyFoxeh>two for loops?
12:59<montigny34>my script doesnt do what i want
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12:59<montigny34>i need one for loop to create a mysqldump of each user's databases
12:59<montigny34>and add it into a folder $username/$dabase.sql
13:00<montigny34>so each user has their .sql files in their folder
13:00<montigny34>then i need another for loop that runs for each username therefor it won't be duplicated
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13:04<montigny34>any idea?
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13:13<fantomas>Hi all
13:13<fantomas>Guys, can I install Windows on Linode? :)
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13:14<itsasadstory>it is possible but not supported
13:14<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions:
13:14<fantomas>oh, thank you itsasadstory
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13:15<montigny34>okay so my last issue is how to run tar for each $username once all the databases have been backed up
13:15<montigny34>how would i do this?
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13:34<learner>hey guys how do i add rdns for ipv6 in linode dns manager
13:35<learner>google just refused an email i sent citing this:
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13:36<linbot>How do I set the reverse DNS for an IP address?
13:36<learner>relidy: that's ipv4, already done this
13:37<relidy>It's both.
13:37<relidy>If you have AAAA records for your domain, Linode will offer both.
13:38<learner>oh ok, so just gotta add another AAAA record with ipv6?
13:39<relidy>Whatever hostname you're trying to map needs an IPv4 entry (A) and an IPv6 entry (AAAA). Just one each will do it.
13:40<relidy>Linode just needs to be able to do a DNS lookup for the hostname you enter and get back IP addresses that match what's assigned to your Linode.
13:40<learner>relidy: this is for the mail server, it's separate from the web server
13:40<learner>so i'm thinking yeah i need a specific AAAA for the mail server
13:41<itsasadstory>you need an A and AAAA record for the mail server address, and then reverse dns for both
13:41<learner>yep got it thanks
13:42<learner>gotta wait 15 mins for it to take effect now
13:42<itsasadstory>it's actually at the quarter of every hour, not a set 15 mins
13:43<itsasadstory>meaning if you entered it at like, 1:42 it *should* take effect at 1:45 or so iirc
13:43<itsasadstory>> inb4 dwfreed corrects me on that
13:50<learner>itsasadstory: well i guess you stand corrected, i did the lookup thingie and it only returned ipv4
13:54<Peng>itsasadstory: You're right, though reloading isn't instant, and there's some degree of caching involved.
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14:04<learner>ok that's weird
14:04<learner>even now still it doesn't work
14:05<learner>do i have to make a support ticket?
14:06<MajObviousman>hand knit your support ticket, with cross-stitching for the letters
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14:12<David_R>Hi, can I add to a linode instance more resources? I need more storage for a linode 8GB to support 1000 GB Storate
14:13<itsasadstory>you would need to resize the plan. there's a block storage product in the works, but it's in beta
14:14<David_R>thanks, that would be a separate solution
14:16<learner>David_R: sometimes it's cheaper to resize the entire vps than to add just one type of resource, you have to consider that too
14:16<Peng>learner: The rDNS manager works for me.
14:17<learner>Peng: I added the AAAA record long ago, it still doesn't work for me
14:17<learner>Peng: can i show you the record in private
14:17<Peng>learner: Okay, if you want.
14:17<Peng>Maybe it fully caches things?
14:18<itsasadstory>yeah, if Linode did offer the ability to just bump up disk space on your plan, they would have to do it at a pretty ridiculous price point in order to avoid losing money on it
14:18<itsasadstory>they did offer it a long time ago
14:21<learner>You have to consider the cost of manually adding hdd too. A big part of it will be the cost of chaos, when they create pre-planned sizes, it's much easier to manage them. because a big part of cost management is repeatability of the design
14:21<Peng>learner: At least 2 of the Dallas DNS resolvers have cached negative responses for your AAAA record, which will expire in about 84,000 seconds.
14:22<learner>Peng: so gotta wait a for 1.5 hours?
14:22<MajObviousman>more like 24 hours
14:22<learner>oh yeah i missed a 0
14:22<learner>that sucks
14:22<Peng>Well, that's an interesting question.
14:23<Peng>If the DNS resolver follows default settings, it will actually only be cached for 1 hour.
14:23<Peng>It sends the correct TTL to clients, but internally uses a shorter one.
14:23<Peng>If it's configured with default settings.
14:23<learner>well let's cross fingers and hope that's the case
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15:02<Alyass>If I buy a server on linode and deploy my application on tomcate on the server.
15:02<Alyass>shall that aaplication also available on internet for other users
15:02<Cromulent>if you want it to be yes
15:03<Alyass>and there is no extra cost for it?
15:03<itsasadstory> being on the internet? i think you're going to have a bad time.
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15:04<Alyass>what do you mean `'Bad Time'
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15:06<itsasadstory>Linode provides virtual Linux machines - they are not preconfigured with any applications other than what the Linux distribution provides, and you build everything on top of that.
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15:27<fantomas>Folks, I've update DNS 30 minutes ago but still don't see my changes
15:27<fantomas>dig cname
15:27<fantomas>Any ideas how does it take now?
15:27<itsasadstory>you cannot create cnames for root domains
15:27<fantomas>s/how/how long/
15:28<MajObviousman>a few DNS service providers support a fake record called an ANAME, but that's a non-standard addition to the DNS spec
15:29<Peng>MajObviousman: It's standards-compliant on the wire
15:29<fantomas>What do you mean - root domains?
15:29<fantomas>I just added a cname
15:29<itsasadstory> is a subdomain, is a root domain
15:29<Peng>fantomas: CNAME records cannot legally exist alongside the NS and SOA records required at the zone apex.
15:30<fantomas>itsasadstory: I used Linode DNS manager, so I guess it should be added exactly as you said
15:31<fantomas>I mean, when I used that form before it created subdomain cnames
15:31<MajObviousman>and since the DNS manager operates according to spec, it will ignore your fake record and keep going on
15:32<warewolf>fantomas: yes, subdomain cnames. Those are allowed.
15:33<fantomas>ok, so how to create subdomain then? I've been creating these cname records for years in this DNS manager and never got any problems
15:33<MajObviousman>exactly as you have been doing
15:33<MajObviousman>but your example at 1927 UTC indicated you were asking for a CNAME record for, which is the domain itself
15:34<MajObviousman>by definition, there can be no CNAME record for the domain itself, only entries within the domain (e.g. subdomains)
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15:34<fantomas>oh damn
15:34<MajObviousman>which is why I mentioned the fake ANAME record
15:34<fantomas>I see now.
15:34<MajObviousman>you can do it yourself if you need
15:34<fantomas>So I added it correctly, but my query is incorrect
15:35<fantomas>And of course I should get anything or otherwise I'd read others domains secret cnames
15:35<fantomas>Thanks guys "_
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15:35<MajObviousman>np, thanks for being receptive
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16:26<tonyyarusso>Huh. Has anyone checked to see whether the Linode office just got obliterated by a meteor? I have a support ticket that's now 150 minutes old without any response yet. It totally doesn't matter - it's a low-priority request - but I don't think I've ever seen them take more than about 20 minutes before, and it's usually under 5...
16:27<itsasadstory>tonyyarusso: depending on the amount of tickets they're receiving at the moment, it's entirely possible it can take longer than that - they'll get to it as soon as they can, though.
16:27<itsasadstory>i live a couple blocks away from the office and can confirm i haven't seen any meteors :)
16:28<tonyyarusso>itsasadstory: Oh, I'm currently working a ticket in my own job that was submitted three weeks ago, so I can't really complain here - I'm just surprised / maybe concerned about them :)
16:37<arlen>my linode tickets usually take about 4 hours for an answer
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16:50<itsasadstory>hi, feel free to ask your question
16:50<sl>looks like you sell virtual machines
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16:50<sl>is it vmware
16:51<sl>so if i have a cd in my hand or ISO I can install my own OS on a vm?
16:51<itsasadstory>^ don't use that
16:51<itsasadstory>use that
16:52<itsasadstory>oh good it redirects nvm
16:52<sl>do I get a public IP?
16:52<Peng>sl: Yes.
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16:52<sl>so I can run a web server, sendmail, etc??
16:52<itsasadstory>anything that runs on Linux, basically
16:53<sl>what i mean is that it wont be blocked?
16:53<sl>all ports opened?
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16:54<sl>then how do you control users who spam?
16:54<itsasadstory>when an abuse complaint is received, they open a ticket with the customer. if the customer is not responsive, they suspend network access for the machine
16:54<relidy>!to sl tos
16:55<sl>not me, i'm not spamming. I dont want to be housed with spammers
16:55<itsasadstory>that + a bunch of other fraud detection stuff that goes into keeping out spam.
16:55<sl>how do you do it for $5 a month?
16:57<itsasadstory>do you mean - how does Linode, as a business, afford to provide their cheapest plan at $5 per month?
16:58<itsasadstory>i don't know the specifics of it, but $5 and under plans are hugely popular in the virtual hosting industry right now / in the last couple of years
16:58<synfinatic>they make it up in volume
16:58<itsasadstory>pretty much every major provider has one
16:58<sl>I guess many sites just sit there idle
16:58<sl>so, I sick in a cd/ISO, install OS, install http/samba/smtp/mail/ssh, and the world can connect to it?
16:59<itsasadstory>well, you have to configure everything, but yeah pretty much
16:59<sl>I shall consider linode.
17:00<sl>thanks you, have to go.
17:00<sl>havn't seen irc for years. I remember using it in 1995
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17:01<MajObviousman>it's still September, 1993
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17:02<MajObviousman>"Today is September, 8752 1993, the september that never ends "
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17:05<robert_>okay, so I'm trying to figure out why I'm not getting any SA's listed in my configuration
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17:08<ranjeet>please let me know how I can migrate my node fron one dc to another
17:08<itsasadstory>ranjeet: open a ticket requesting it
17:08<itsasadstory>if you really want to expedite the process, confirm for them that you understand that your IP address will change
17:09<relidy>robert_: SA?
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17:09<robert_>relidy: sorry, I'm fighting with strongswan/swanctl
17:13<FluffyFoxeh>swan of braun
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19:25<newcust>anybody home?
19:26<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
19:26<newcust>is this a support ...thing. or are we users?
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19:27<arlen>mostly users
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19:27<arlen>it's community support
19:27<newcust>ok fine. so it looks like linode servers virtual machines that I would bring my own ISO/CD and install myself
19:27<newcust>what about firewall?
19:28<arlen>that'd be up to you
19:28<arlen>these are unmanaged
19:28<newcust>so there's no firewall, I would install my own iptables/.
19:29<newcust>I'm afraid of doing my own security
19:30<newcust>so they offer one service?
19:30<arlen>they offer unmanaged servers
19:31<newcust>meaning blank disk space for me to do whateverIwant?
19:31<newcust>do I get a public IP?
19:31<arlen>IPv6 and IPv4
19:31<newcust>so i get a public static that I can run my own webserver
19:32<newcust>does that mean i get two IPs?
19:32<newcust>one v4 and 1 v6
19:32<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
19:33<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
19:33<newcust>hey I can do that too!!
19:34<newcust>that didnt work
19:36<newcust>if i start with the $5 one with 20GB of disk space....then I decide to pay them $10 and get 30GB what happens?
19:36<newcust>do I reinstall my OS from start
19:37<SleePy>Anyone else in the fremont dc having random networking issues with pings and ssl/ssh connections?
19:37<linbot>Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images.
19:37<arlen>SleePy: mtr?
19:38<linbot>Instructions on canceling a Linode account are available here:
19:38<linbot>newcust: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
19:38<SleePy>arlen: Yep, same thing I sent in to support:
19:40<SleePy>I've been getting cron failure emails all day with git jobs failing to connect up to github as well. Seems i'm having some bad networking luck. Other ips seem fine and other nodes are able to connect out. It left my node, so its a routing issue beyond my control
19:41<arlen>someone in the linode channel on freenode was having issues with github earlier
19:41<arlen>!to newcust contact
19:41<newcust>whats freenode
19:41<arlen>an irc network like this one
19:42<newcust>from what I undernet?
19:42<SleePy>arlen: Oh, I see that. Looks like they are making it a bit further than I am though
19:44<SleePy>I've rebooted my node and no luck either. I'm starting to wonder if moving to a different host or changing my ipv4 address would resolve it. May force me to go a different path at least. I suspect myself its some bgp routing issue. But why its only causing this 1 ip to fail and https randomly not sure
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19:48<newcust> !help bgp
19:49<arlen>newcust: please pm linbot so the channel doesn't get spammed with your testing
19:49<arlen>newcust: /msg linbot
19:49<newcust>I haven't IRC in a hundred years
19:50<arlen>nothing's changed
19:51<newcust>am I alone now?
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19:52<newcust>I guess I'm alone with linbot now
19:52<millisa>with 340 or so other people
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19:53<SleePy>Didn't realize IRC was that old of a protocol.
19:53<newcust>I used it in 1995 when i was still in screwl
19:54<newcust>along with smtp email, www
19:55<SleePy>smtp is still how we send email
19:55<newcust>they had "web" back in 1980s
19:56<FluffyFoxeh>SleePy: I had a university professor that told the class "we used to have lots of ports, but we blocked them. we only use 80 now"
19:56<FluffyFoxeh>aside from the fact that HTTP also goes over 443
19:56<FluffyFoxeh>that is bs
19:56<nate>technically https goes over 443
19:56<Peng>and DNS...
19:56<nate>try to put http over 443 and you're gonna give a browser a panic attack
19:56<SleePy>Well he is mostly right. Just about everything wants to use 443 nowadays as nobody was blocking secured traffic
19:57<newcust>you can put anything over 443, you can put ssh if you want to
19:57<SleePy>Now fancy routers are doing inspection on the traffic to determine if its safe or not
19:57<FluffyFoxeh>newcust: I do in fact, at work where they do actually block all the other ports
19:57<newcust>I'm reporting you...
19:58<FluffyFoxeh>to the cyber police?
19:58<newcust>I'll get a big fat reward
19:58<newcust>the cyber police, the fashion police...
19:58<nate>newcust: like I said, give browsers a panic attack. Didn't say ssh clients a panic attack
19:59*Zimsky gives nate a panic attack
19:59*Zimsky gives nate a cheesecake
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19:59<newcust>use ssh over 443 and route your entire machie over a tunnel
19:59<FluffyFoxeh>that is what I do
19:59<FluffyFoxeh>well firefox and thunderbird anyway
19:59<nate>why would that panic attack me? I have no cheese allergies, though I might be disappointed if there are no cherries on it
19:59<newcust>rediculously easy.
20:00<Zimsky>nate: they're unrelated
20:00<Zimsky>nate: I'm scaring you and simultaneously gifting you cake
20:00<Zimsky>because everyone deserves cheesecake
20:00<Peng>have you tried IPv6
20:00<FluffyFoxeh>newcust: I had to do some iptables wizardry because I also happen to host HTTPS on 443 on the server I was using as a proxy
20:00<newcust>my company is testing decryption though,
20:00<Zimsky>yes I have
20:00<Zimsky>it's most excellent
20:00<nate>You woefully overestimate yourself in likely being able to scare me :P
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20:00<Zimsky>nate: you'll be afraid at how I manage to function every day
20:00<FluffyFoxeh>testing decryption? of SSH? do they like to waste money? :p
20:01<newcust>decryption of https. I have no idea why. security I guess?
20:01<nate>newcust: Or just wasting money
20:01<Zimsky>that's just TLS
20:02<nate>you don't really randomly "decrypt" https unless you have the keys or found a vulnerability (ie; downgrade attacks) that apply
20:02<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, TLS is what they use
20:02<Zimsky>your company sounds moronic though
20:02<newcust>some of the managemen is really dilbertesq
20:02<FluffyFoxeh>and you can't feasibly decrypt it. it is possible to install a cert on everyone's computers and MITM it though
20:02<SleePy>More malware is using https, so companies are looking at https decryption to look into data. Its all possible because its their computers on their network. Your personal device won't like it if they tried to mitm your https traffic
20:02<nate>Now that is something companies often try and do
20:02<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: you can easy decrypt it
20:02<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: not if you aren't the intended recipient :p
20:03<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: if you have the key
20:03<FluffyFoxeh>well, yes, that'd be the MITM+CA store method
20:03<Zimsky>it's a sight harder if you don't have the key
20:03<SleePy>Yea, its a waste of your money to do that. Unless your the government. Then you just waste it away!
20:04<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky your such a grammar yahtzee
20:04<SleePy>Thanks, I didn't bring a dictionary
20:04<newcust> company is contracting with the govt....
20:04<Zimsky>I keep a pocket dictionary in my bag
20:04<Zimsky>has actually been quite handy from time to time
20:05<Zimsky>newcust: which government
20:05<FluffyFoxeh>the world government
20:05<arlen>the new world order
20:06<newcust>sorry, I was assuming everyone is in the USA
20:06<arlen>data center
20:06<Zimsky>or washington, district of columbia
20:06<FluffyFoxeh>the government of linode
20:06<newcust>wrong both. Dist. of Corruption.
20:07<millisa>ah. domain controllers.
20:07*FluffyFoxeh takes care not to cut himself on that edge
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20:07<newcust>well...before I get fired....
20:08<Zimsky>oddly chatty about the work for a government contractor employee
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20:09<newcust>well i didnt give you any secrets
20:09<newcust>nothgin you cant already google
20:09<FluffyFoxeh>he works for google!
20:09<newcust>yes I work for google. the gov. of the internet
20:10<newcust>I can siolve the square root of an orange
20:10<Peng>and soon, THE WORLD, once Eric Schmidt runs for President.
20:11<synfinatic>Eric Schmidt vs Zuckerberg... FIGHT!
20:11<FluffyFoxeh>pls no
20:11<FluffyFoxeh>I'd take trump over the tech elite
20:11<Zimsky>zuckerberg would perish
20:11<Zimsky>he's a weed
20:11<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: fuck that
20:14<newcust>anybody try to run a desktop over a linode vm?
20:14<newcust>how? vnc?
20:14<FluffyFoxeh>it works, you can run X and use VNC. you can even use glish
20:15<FluffyFoxeh>(linode's graphical console. basically vnc)
20:15<newcust>vnc =/= secure
20:16<newcust>could always ssh -YC
20:16<FluffyFoxeh>okay well if you have a better alternative it'd probably work. it's linux
20:16<Zimsky>encap in TLS
20:16<FluffyFoxeh>also VNC can be encrypted
20:16<FluffyFoxeh>you can even do it over an SSH tunnel :p
20:16<newcust>is it painfully slow?
20:18<FluffyFoxeh>it's usable, you can almost watch youtube videos. don't expect to play half life with stellar framerates though
20:18<Zimsky>on your connection
20:18<synfinatic>and your pain threshold
20:19<newcust>oh, that's not bad at all. that sounds very good to me.
20:20<FluffyFoxeh>What are you thinking of doing with a desktop on a VPS? I'm curious
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20:20<newcust>no, I doubt I'll be running a desktop. just asking.
20:20<newcust>why do you call it a VPS?
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20:20<FluffyFoxeh>Virtual Private Server. It's what Linode sells
20:20<Zimsky>we don't
20:20<Zimsky>we call them linodes
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20:21<millisa>of course there's this url
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20:22<FluffyFoxeh>where did you find that millisa ?
20:22<millisa>Are you a cop?
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20:22<millisa>Oh, then, I googled 'linode vps'
20:22<millisa>it was one of the pay for ad links.
20:22<FluffyFoxeh>that explains why I don't see it
20:22<Zimsky>millisa: it's not https
20:23<millisa>and if you take the path off . . it is a very pretty page.
20:23<Zimsky>it's not https
20:23<newcust>if you can install from your own ISO, then why is it a VPS?
20:23<FluffyFoxeh>these things are not mutually exclusive
20:23<FluffyFoxeh>you can install whatever you want on it
20:24<FluffyFoxeh>but it's still a virtual machine on shared hardware
20:24<newcust>is it KVM host?
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20:26<newcust>¡oh boy! ¿why?
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20:27<synfinatic> 👏
20:28<FluffyFoxeh>that looks like a rain cloud but it's apparently it's clapping hands
20:29<newcust>hahaha! ¡jajaja! You guys convinced me. I'm joining linode
20:29<Zimsky>yes yes yes?
20:29<Zimsky>now we can start a jonestown 2
20:29<newcust>24 hour cust service! And it doesn't cost them a dime!
20:30<newcust> ¡how clever!
20:31<rsdehart>well, the community can't do anything that requires access to your account, but we can certainly answer generic questions
20:31<synfinatic>i'm mostly here for the free booze
20:32<newcust>I like the review from "Anish Varghese"
20:32<newcust>s/he even posts two screenshots
20:34<synfinatic>speaking of booze, it's after 5 here. l8r
20:34<newcust>he almost got me until I saw the screenshots
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20:56<newcust>king kong
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21:06<newcust>where's everyone from
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21:08<newcust>nap time?
21:10<Zimsky>yes, shhh
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22:02<Zimsky>inb4 oftc pulls a freenode
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22:12<bobby>hi all :)
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22:14<Zimsky>hi arlen
22:14<arlen>hi Zimsky
22:14<Zimsky>how's it going, arlen
22:15<bobby>is it possible to have a vsftpd folder like so /var/www/user1, user1 being that user's home directory and then have,, as sub directories and make each subdirectorie accessible by different users?
22:15<Zimsky>why is everyone using vsftpd now
22:15<arlen>pretty great, how's things for you Zimsky?
22:15<FluffyFoxeh>'cause it's awesome
22:15<bobby>for example user1 would have access to all folders inside /var/www/user1
22:15<arlen>bobby: are you starting a webhosting business too?
22:15<FluffyFoxeh>here I archived all the old releases
22:15<Zimsky>arlen: bought a new block of cheese, so pretty awesome
22:15<arlen>Zimsky: jealous
22:15<bobby>and then have individual users able to access, and so user2, user3 and user4?
22:16<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: needs more pastries
22:16<bobby>is that possible?
22:16<Zimsky>bobby sounds very similar to someone I know
22:16<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky do you do anything here other than shitpost
22:16<arlen>anything is possible, only you are the limiting factor of achieving the ultimate
22:16<bobby>no, I'm working on a project for school
22:17<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: do you do anything other than attend furry conventions
22:17<bobby>having difficulties having a super admin user and then chroot individual users to subdirectories
22:17<Zimsky>which school?
22:17<bobby>St. Clair College
22:17<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: yo that was only once and it was over two years ago
22:17<bobby>Internet applications and web development :) second year
22:18<FluffyFoxeh>and i was a silly teenager
22:19<bobby>what I'm trying to achive is possible?
22:19<BDIkaros>Tell them FTP sucks.
22:19<bobby>achieve "
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22:19<FluffyFoxeh>bobby: subdirectories of /var/www/user1 that are accessible by different users?
22:19<FluffyFoxeh>sure, you could have different owners for those subdirectories
22:20<bobby>yes, i believe making them their home directories?
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22:20<FluffyFoxeh>I don't see why not
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22:21<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know the details because it's been a while since I configured something like that
22:21<bobby>would the subfolders be owned by user1 or would it be user2 : sftp and so on?
22:21<Zimsky>avelardi is evading bans
22:22<Zimsky>what has sftp got to do with ftp
22:22<FluffyFoxeh>if a directory is owned by user1 then user2 can't access it unless they have group permissions or "other" permissions allow it
22:23<bobby>what if i make /var/www/user1/ the home directory of user2?
22:23<Zimsky>what are you trying to achieve
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22:23<bobby>Zimsky: <FluffyFoxeh> bobby: subdirectories of /var/www/user1 that are accessible by different users?
22:24<FluffyFoxeh>at a higher level though
22:24<FluffyFoxeh>what are you trying to do
22:24<FluffyFoxeh>bigger picture
22:24<bobby>have user1 login and see all directories and upload files and whatnot
22:24<Zimsky>that's extremely vague
22:24<bobby>and then have user2 login and only be able to interact with an individual subdirectory
22:24<Zimsky>"and whatnot"
22:25<Zimsky>what's the whatnot
22:25<bobby>modify, delete...file transfor protocol things
22:25<FluffyFoxeh>you could make the subdirectories uid=user1 and gid=user[234]
22:25<FluffyFoxeh>or use ACLs
22:25<bobby>is it not possible by just setting their home directories the subdirectory?
22:26<FluffyFoxeh>no, the home directory has nothing to do with permissions
22:26<bobby>and making them the owner of that directory?
22:26<FluffyFoxeh>however vsftpd might restrict users to their home directory
22:26<FluffyFoxeh>but that's a different concept
22:27<FluffyFoxeh>leaving FTP aside, you first want to get the actual filesystem permissions set up the way you want
22:28<bobby>each user is in a chroot jail
22:30<bobby>would that be an issue?
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22:31<FluffyFoxeh>the chroot jail is irrelevant to the fs permissions
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22:33<bobby>okay that's good to know
22:33<bobby>vsftpd might be causing an issue though?
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22:36<FluffyFoxeh>that'd depend on what the issue is
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22:49<bobby>what would uid=user1 do?
22:49<bobby>they haven't touched that in class yet...
22:50<bobby>user id?
22:51<Eliz>why are you .. using vsftpd
22:52<bobby>they're teaching us it in school
22:54<Eliz>bobby: how much are you paying for this class lol
22:54<Eliz>because, uh, yeah
22:55<bobby>ummm I think this is besides the point?
22:57<Eliz>bobby: Well, I would argue that it's irrelevant information in almost all use cases these days
22:57<Eliz>and as such .. might not be worth your money
22:57<Eliz>but that's just me
22:58<FluffyFoxeh>bobby: I meant the user part of "chown user:group"
22:58<FluffyFoxeh>more technical terminology
22:58<bobby>so chown would possibly fix?
22:59<FluffyFoxeh>Eliz: well it sounds like they might be using it as a way to teach general unix stuff, if so it's not a bad exercise
22:59<FluffyFoxeh>bobby: chown is probably something you'll want to use here, yes
23:00<bobby>chown sets the owner and group correct?
23:00<Eliz>whereas chmod is CHangeMOde
23:00<FluffyFoxeh>or just the owner if you omit the group
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23:06<bobby>so if user1 iw owned by root and the group is sftp
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23:06<bobby> being a subdirectory of user1 is chowned sftp
23:06<bobby>would that be a possible solution
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23:08<bobby>i tried chown user2 : user2
23:08<bobby>but that didn't help
23:08<FluffyFoxeh>you should probably read about how permissions works so you're not just taking blind shots in the dark
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23:49<bobby>permissions being chmod?
23:50<MrPPS>chmod changes permissions, yes
23:50<bobby>the folder has 775 permissions
23:50<bobby>so i don't think the permissions would be an issue?
23:50<MrPPS>do you understand what that means though?
23:50<bobby>the parent directory has the same permissions
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