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00:36<jstitt>howdy
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00:40<MrPPS>sup jstitt
00:42<jstitt>The us
00:42<Zimsky>tell Theus I said hi
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00:57<bobby>okay, so i can't figure out what my issue is with vsftpd
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00:59<jstitt>what kind of issue bobby
00:59<jstitt>cPanel?
00:59<arlen>easy fix, don't use vsftpd
00:59<arlen>just use sftp
00:59<bobby>i have /var/www/user1 that's their home directory. Inside user1 I have domain.com and domain2.com
01:00<Zimsky>bobby / montigny34, ask the mailing list for vsftpd or find their irc chan
01:00<Zimsky>I'm sure they have a freenode chan
01:00<bobby>when this user logs in via filezilla he can enter either subdirectory and add/remove/edit files
01:00<bobby>i want to also give access to just domain.com to user2 and domain2.com to user3
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01:01<Zimsky>so is it a web host thing or a school project
01:01<bobby>for some reason i get Error: Network error: Software caused connection abort Error: Could not connect to server when trying to connect as user2
01:01<Zimsky>if it's a school project, ask your teacher(s)
01:01<bobby>i made user2's home directory /var/www/user1/domain.com
01:01<Zimsky>if it's a company thing, maybe hire a chap to do it
01:01<bobby>folder has 755 permissions
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01:02<bobby>chown user2:sftp
01:02<bobby>sftp is the group i created for vsftpd
01:02<bobby>if i change user2's home directory to /var/www/user1 it allows me to login
01:02<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP 5.6 CentOS 7 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14809&p=74309#p74309>
01:03<bobby>so there's an issue with making a subdirectory of another users home directory the home of user2
01:03<grawity>chances are, vsftpd just specifically refuses to work with your kind of layout
01:03<Zimsky>just use sftp
01:03<grawity>it is *by design* very picky about stuff
01:04<jstitt>bobby check /var/log/secure or /var/log/auth.log
01:04<arlen>ask in ##vsftpd on freenode
01:04<bobby>Aug 18 00:59:13 startable sshd[27456]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/var/www/user1/domain.com" [postauth]
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01:05<jstitt>chroot for ssh there you go
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01:05<bobby>pardon?
01:07<jstitt>more than likely you need to set the chroot destination to be 775 or 771
01:08<bobby>no change
01:08<jstitt>including the parents
01:08<jstitt>or rather, the entry point
01:09<bobby>they do have 775
01:10<jstitt>then it's the owners
01:11<Zimsky>more than likely, this setup will actually cause more trouble in the long run if you are trying to nest things like that in conjunction with a limited understanding of filesystem permissions and ownership
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01:13<bobby>everything seems right
01:14<jstitt>All components of the pathname must be root-owned directories that are not writable by any other user or group. After the chroot, sshd(8) changes the working directory to the user's home directory.
01:14<jstitt>in short, you are more than likely trying to do something you shouldn't
01:15<bobby>okay so vsftpd isn't the program to use to achieve this?
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01:23<Zimsky>"school project"
01:23<Zimsky>ha
01:24<millisa>I enjoyed the pasted log entry that showed the same 'startable' name he's used
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01:25<millisa>http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
01:26<Zimsky>for me it was a combination of the questions, the hostname (despite being ipv6, it was still teksavvy), and 'bobby' is a frequent placeholder/made-up name, especially when considering the other two things
01:26<Zimsky>then when he rejoined on the same ipv4 address, it confirmed it
01:26<Zimsky>ヽ( 。ヮ゚)ノ
01:27<jstitt>Heh.
01:28<jstitt>I work for cPanel. I get all manner of ineptitude :D
01:28<Zimsky>jstitt: can you pls 2 install wordpress domain
01:28<millisa>he probably would benefit from cpanel rather than trying to roll his own
01:28<Toba_>can he use cpanel to install cpanel onto his linode?
01:28<Zimsky>yes
01:28<Zimsky>definitely
01:28<Toba_>should have suggested that.
01:29<jstitt>Woops I mean opportunities to educate ;)
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01:33<Zimsky>I'm all for educating someone on using something, but if they don't take the initiative to read easily-found and suggested material that explains how to do things, then it's futile
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01:34<Zimsky>by "easily found", I mean like when the man command was explained, yet questions were still asked (that were likely answered in the manpage)
01:34<millisa>I really was trying to help him help himself.
01:35<Zimsky>I gave up early - whether or not that was sound is subject to debate
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01:39<jstitt>The other day I got a ticket from a customer who was outraged that Linux didn't support international characters...
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01:40<Zimsky>jstitt: how so
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01:41<zifnab>jstitt: but, what do you mean cpanel can't cook toast
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01:42<Zimsky>you totally could cook toast though
01:42<jstitt>"linux doesn't support international characters" meant he didn't change the localization for WHM to be Hebrew :p
01:42<Zimsky>zifnab: install cpanel over and over and put the bread on the processor die
01:43<Zimsky>jstitt: oy vey.
01:43<zifnab>speaking of bread, how the fuck do i make toast in a toaster oven
01:43<millisa>well, or use centos on arm on this https://www.embeddedarm.com/blog/netbsd-toaster-powered-by-the-ts-7200-arm9-sbc/
01:43<zifnab>this is hard
01:44<Zimsky>soften it
01:44<jstitt>zifnab: did you try turning it off and back on
01:46<Zimsky>zifnab: also, https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-food/vfood6260
01:46<Zimsky>there had to be a court ruling that determined whether or not a jaffa cake is technically a biscuit or a cake
01:46<jstitt>Well that is obvious. It's a biscuit.
01:46<Toba_>mmm, vat food.
01:46<Zimsky>jstitt: but it isn't
01:47<Zimsky>it's technically a cake
01:47<Toba_>But is it a sandwich?
01:47<zifnab>Zimsky: thats...hilarious in a weird weay
01:47<jstitt>Madness!
01:47<jstitt>If it isn't a biscuit then why do I eat it with tea.
01:47<jstitt>Next you'll be saying that tea without milk is a normal thing.
01:47<Zimsky>you eat tea?
01:47<jstitt>I eat biscuits with tea, yes.
01:48<millisa>"Jaffa cakes are presented as a snack, eaten with the fingers, whereas a cake may be more often expected to be eaten with a fork.". That just sounds like they aren't enjoying cake enough.
01:49<jstitt>Precisely. I can't live in a world where Jaffa cakes are *actual* cakes. Next you'll be banning pork pies from football matches.
01:49<Toba_>I'm going to go get a banana bread, which is a very cakey bread, that I have baked in a small bundt
01:49<Toba_>and eat it with my fingers
01:49<Zimsky>OH NO
01:49<Toba_>Put that in your taxonomy and SMOKE IT.
01:49<Zimsky>zifnab: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11076776
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01:50<Zimsky>zifnab: should I submit a FOI request?
01:50<Zimsky>I want to read the specifics of the ruling
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01:50<millisa>i wonder how they feel about moonpies.
01:51<Toba_>Damn. It is too crumbly to eat with my fingers
01:51<jstitt>Well that one is obvious. They should clearly be eaten on the moon with space forks.
01:51<Toba_>Cold hard reality is asserting the cake nature of this bread
01:52<Toba_>It is not a cookie. Alas!
01:52<jstitt>Because it's a biscuit.
01:52<Toba_>Damn.
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01:56<zifnab>Zimsky: you really should
01:56<zifnab>Zimsky: does FOI work in UK, and don't you have to be a UK citizen to do so?
01:57<Zimsky>it's a different legal system, but it's a thing
01:57<Zimsky>and I'm unsure
01:58<Toba_>man watching this nazi fuck cry is great
01:58<Toba_>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQUrWlraj_4
02:00<Zimsky>I'm curious about what led him to interact with the world the way he does
02:05<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: wait was the vsftpd guy the same one from last night with the "I have two databases" or whatever
02:06<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: it's montigny something
02:06<FluffyFoxeh>hahaha
02:06<Zimsky>I don't think that other person was him though
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03:18<montigny34>is the mysql DATEDIFF usaeble inside a bash script?
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03:55<montigny34>okay so i believe my backup script is finally completed :)
03:55<montigny34>https://pastebin.com/QQB0YV4Y
03:56<montigny34>There's one issue...it runs the nested while loops twice...
03:56<montigny34>i have 3 nested while loops...
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03:58*dcraig tickles montigny34 around a bit with a large chimaera
03:58<dcraig>large NESTED chimaera, that is...
03:59<montigny34>is nesting the while loops the issue?
03:59<montigny34>like is it the incorrect thing to do
04:00<dcraig>no idea, I've never backed up anything before
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04:00<montigny34>i believe since my first while loop returns 2 records that's the reason the two other loops are being ran twice
04:00<Zimsky>that would be a bit weird.
04:00<montigny34>not sure why though?
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04:01<montigny34>oh wait...
04:01<montigny34>no I know why...
04:02*dcraig replaces Zimsky with a shell script
04:02<montigny34>okay okay i believe I need to add another for loop...
04:03<dcraig>are you forloopicating?
04:03<montigny34>whats happening is I'm grabbing everybody with backup plan that equals 0 and if the date difference in days is greater than 0, which is 2 out of the 3 it runs my other arguments
04:04<Zimsky>elky's connection really sucks
04:04<Zimsky>recons for days
04:06<montigny34>for each user that has backup plan 0 do this?
04:06<montigny34>i confused myseld
04:13<dcraig>what's the opposite of a backup?
04:13<montigny34>ugh
04:13<montigny34>do any of you know what the issue is?
04:13<elky>Zimsky: i'm connecting over tor, so idk what's up
04:13<montigny34>how to fix the issue**
04:13<dcraig>elky answered elky's own question :D
04:14<elky>dcraig: tor's usually not this bad
04:14<Zimsky>...lol
04:14<dcraig>what are you hiding?!?!?!?!?!!?
04:14<Zimsky>tor is renowned for its routing stability
04:15<elky>dcraig: chocolate cookies
04:15<Zimsky>so not romanian child labourers?
04:16<elky>if nobody can find me, nobody can steal them
04:16<Zimsky>stealing is illegal though
04:16<Zimsky>you can't do that
04:16<elky>lots of things are illegal, doesn't seem to stop people
04:17<Zimsky>but it's the law, you can't do that
04:17<Peng>elky: I mean, they're criminally delicious cookies
04:18<Zimsky>bakeries are criminal fronts
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07:31<sunil>hi
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07:38<sunil>hi
07:40<DrJ>!ask
07:41<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
07:43<sunil>how many websites we can host in 1gb server
07:46<HoopyCat>sunil: as many as you can
07:47<sunil>how much traffic this can handel
07:47<sunil>i m not technically sound will i able to configure
07:48<HoopyCat>sunil: per https://www.linode.com/pricing, 1000 Mb/s and 1 TB/mo of traffic
07:49<HoopyCat>sunil: can you set up your application and web server on a linux server via the command line? if so, you should be good
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07:51<HoopyCat>i'll take that as a no
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08:24<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Crypto Currency mining Pools <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15097&p=74310#p74310>
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09:05<voker57>so where do you actually submit appreciated feedback for new manager?
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09:09<hawk>voker57: I'd guess on github
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10:11<poky>Hi, currently my swap is at 99% (256MB of 256MB). Increasing drastically since yesterday. I've got some malware issue, cleaned them today. Is it safe to clear swap?
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10:12<grawity>just swapoff, then swapon again
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10:12<grawity>and make sure you really cleaned it off
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10:14<poky>Not 100% sure. I had some malicious files that were created (i dont know how). I searched the entire disk for similar files and deleeted them
10:14<poky>Is there any better way to look for them?
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10:15<MajObviousman>it's better to create a new host and swap IPs. You can't ever know that you got it all
10:15<MajObviousman>and looking for what may or may not be there is hazardous to your remaining hair
10:15<poky>Sounds like a long process!
10:16<MajObviousman>it's an opportunity to rebuild your server the devopsy way
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10:16<ponas>poky: clamscan is good/decent
10:16<MajObviousman>such that the next time you get hacked, rebuilding is a lot quicker
10:16<ponas>has helped me track down some PHP shells in the past
10:16<MajObviousman>grep -R base64decode does too
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10:16<poky>hmmm
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10:16<ponas>could make a cronjob out of it, though it's kinda IO heavy
10:16<MajObviousman>it is, yes
10:16<poky>Let me install clamav
10:17<MajObviousman>but it has the side benefit of keeping your site files in RAM
10:17<ponas>true
10:17<poky>Guys, I dont know much what you guys talking about LOL... Love to learn though
10:17<MajObviousman>I maintained huge monoliths a few years back, and the only way to restart either php-fpm or nginx quickly was to pre-warm all the files first
10:17<MajObviousman>otherwise it took about 90s for nginx and 3-4min for php-fpm
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10:18<MajObviousman>I wish I was joking
10:18<ponas>ugh
10:18<MajObviousman>thousands of sites on a single system
10:18<poky>something similar MajObviousman
10:18<MajObviousman>if you have a similar setup, then it's likely not cost effective to just grep
10:19<poky>ponas: Guide me with clamscan...
10:19<ponas>sounds worse than the non-web 2003-era python2 monolith I'm maintaining. it has cool stuff like a homegrown ORM and dynamic module factories
10:20<ponas>poky: https://askubuntu.com/questions/250290/how-do-i-scan-for-viruses-with-clamav
10:20<poky>ponas: I just ran clamscan, it just scanned the current directory. I want it to scan the current and all sub-directories except tar.gz files. What could be the cmd line look like?
10:20<ponas>great google search: <name of technology> examples
10:20<poky>alright!
10:20<MajObviousman>ponas: 200...3?
10:20<poky>Thanks...
10:20<ponas>MajObviousman: yes
10:20<MajObviousman>the military needs to get their ass in gear
10:21<ponas>there's also a custom XMLRPC server + command line java client for it
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10:22<MajObviousman>seven years ago, I would be horrified. Now, I'm thinking "Damn that could be profitable."
10:23<MajObviousman>something that locked in is a maintenance gold mine
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10:24<ponas>actually it turns out it's cheaper than buying off the shelf IdM/IAM stuff and integrating that with with the source systems (SAP for HR and some Oracle monolith for student records)
10:25<ponas>our biggest pain is changing passwords in Active Directory. it doesn't accept hashes, only plaintext
10:25<MajObviousman>yow
10:25<MajObviousman>but that's scriptable
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11:32<wfhuk>Hi, anyone of you knows if pricing ar Linode are VAT excluded or included?
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11:34<dwfreed>wfhuk: no VAT, at present; I hear that's changing
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11:35<grawity>I remember Linode once stated "no plans to start charging VAT"
11:35<grawity>they might have reconsidered I guess
11:36<wfhuk>So you think they will change or they have already change policy in this regard?
11:36<chmod_777>wfhuk: I'd open a ticket and ask them
11:37<wfhuk>Yes, I suppose it is the best thing to do
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11:59<_rootpanama>hi, somebody can told me if i can intall mongodb on linode server?
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12:00<HoopyCat>_rootpanama: if you can install it on a computer of similar resources running linux, most likely yes
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12:02<_rootpanama>ok thanks
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13:13<flay>Heyo. Is there any kind of notice one should give linode in case of their services undergoing a planned pentest?
13:13<grawity>linode's own services, or linode-hosted services?
13:13<flay>linode hosted services.
13:13<grawity>do the service owners know of the plans
13:13<flay>Yes
13:15<flay>They're the ones requesting the service.
13:17<Toba_>I don't think linode monitors this sort of thing
13:17<Toba_>if I'm paying for backups I doubt there's a free IDS
13:17<flay>I searched around and didn't find a policy in place
13:17<Toba_><-- just a customer, doesn't actually know
13:18<Toba_>yeah then its probably fine
13:18<Toba_>you arent violating the law
13:18<Toba_>you have permission to do what you are doing
13:18<flay>I'll give them a call, but I tend to agree.
13:18<Toba_>i guess if you're in that business you have probably experienced some people get upset when you would have assumed they wouldn't
13:18<Toba_>pays to be careful
13:19<flay>I'm not worried about legal ramification, I'm worried about somebody twitching on the linode side and taking down a service which they (rightfully) think is under attack.
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13:23<@soh>flay: have the linode owners open a ticket with support, let them know they're gonna be pen tested and it should only last so and so amount of time
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13:57<JohnZ>Hello is anyone from Linode support currently active?
13:58<chmod_777>this isn't a support channel, it's a community channel. you can ask a question though
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13:59<poky>Just came to say thanks to grawity (again) and ponas
13:59<JohnZ>Okay thank you. I was wondering how billing works. I will be creating a Linode to host a project for my school, and we want to prepay annually. Is this possible with Linode's hourly platform?
14:00<chmod_777>you can add a credit to the account and the billing system will automatically deduct from it instead of your card
14:00<chmod_777>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#making-a-payment
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14:20<Davii>hey
14:21<MajObviousman>is for horses
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14:24<JohnZ>Thank you
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15:18<gotchufam>had a question about the new api, i'd like to generate a PAT but the following URL is 404: https://cloud.linode.com/profile/integrations/tokens
15:18<gotchufam>i created an api_key from the old interface, can I use this?
15:19<@mcintosh>gotchufam: old API keys won't work with the new API
15:19<@mcintosh>the link you want is https://cloud.linode.com/profile/tokens
15:20<@mcintosh>i see the error in the documentation... will see to it that it is fixed
15:21<gotchufam>thanks!
15:23<@mcintosh>no problem! feel free to send along any feedback regarding the new platform
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15:30<gotchufam>will do
15:32<gotchufam>another broken link. on this page -> https://developers.linode.com/v4/guides/curl/creating-a-linode
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15:32<gotchufam>"testing with curl guide" -> https://developers.linode.com/v4/guides/curl/v4/guides/curl/testing-with-curl
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15:47<@mcintosh>gotchufam: thanks! will get those taken care of as well
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16:19<chmod_777>hi, feel free to ask your question
16:19<arlen>sup
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16:45<GeorgeJetson>Hello, I creatd the subdomain "workathome" of my domain iwantyoutoprosper.com hours ago and an online nslookup service still cannot find it - workathome.iwantyoutoprosper.com
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16:46<relidy>!dns workathome.iwantyoutoprosper.com
16:46<linbot>relidy: 45.79.206.182
16:46<relidy>Seems to be working.
16:48<GeorgeJetson>thanks relidy - for some reason http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php did not find it... odd
16:49<grawity>do you know that DNS replies are cached
16:49<HoopyCat>there's no AAAA record, so it'll only be reachable via IPv4
16:49<HoopyCat>also the negative-caching TTL is 86400 seconds, so it'll be about 24 hours before it'll reliably show up in the DNSes
16:52<MajObviousman>for future reference, crank that down to like 15 minutes, or maybe 1 hour at the most
16:55<Peng>Many(?) resolvers don't cache negative records very long anyway
16:57<Peng>Not that you should RELY on that, of course, but it's often true.
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17:13<gotchufam>is there a delete method in the new API?
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17:17<@mcintosh>gotchufam: to remove/delete something you'd send a DELETE request to an endpoint that supports it
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17:26<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Crypto Currency mining Pools <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15097&p=74311#p74311>
17:28<gotchufam>nice. thanks
17:28<gotchufam>easy enough
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18:16<Zimsky>I gotchufam
18:18<arlen>don't forget GoodMorningBob
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18:21<mikej>hello if my credit file is on payment with a linode account but i do not have access to the account can linode reset it for me or do i have to contact the owner of the account?
18:22<zifnab>!zayo
18:22<linbot>19:07:23 <HoopyCat> zaaaaaaaaaayo, zaaa-aa-aaa-aaaa-yoooooo, latency come and me wan' go home
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19:12<Lee>I do not like green eggs and ham
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19:13<Zimsky>who does?
19:15<sh4ners>instsalled centos 7 on my home server...its not a really good distro to use for media sharing in the house huh?
19:15<Lee>whynot?
19:15<Lee>what media?
19:16<sh4ners>slot of the stuff i used ubuntu you have to complie and what not... im not good at that
19:16<sh4ners>nas, movies, music, time mache, etc etc
19:16<Lee>file server?
19:16<sh4ners>yeah
19:16<Lee>samba, nfs
19:17<sh4ners>yeah that worked but i time machine server is a pain, making a lib for itune sharing is a pain too
19:18<Lee>I just joined a few hours ago. nothing done yet. Why does it say in my account that I used 1% and 1GB?
19:18<Lee>of monthly data transfer
19:18<Lee>( question of my own for everyone)
19:19<sh4ners>not shure
19:19<sh4ners>sure
19:19<sh4ners>let me login and look at mine see what you are seeing
19:20<sh4ners>you taling about the linodes on the main screen?
19:20<Lee>https://manager.linode.com/linodes
19:20<sh4ners>yip
19:21<dwfreed>Lee: rounding up
19:21<sh4ners>mine says the sme i forgot why
19:21<Lee>I see. So if I used 1GB and 1000 bytes, it would show up as 2GB?
19:21<dwfreed>probably
19:23<Lee>being I just join a few hours ago, how does everyone here rate linode? reliability? etc...
19:23<Lee>anybody lost data?
19:23<Lee>anyone's vm die for any reason?
19:24<Lee>drives corrupting?
19:24<dwfreed>shit happens; best have backups if it's important
19:25<Lee>what do you use to backup?
19:25<sh4ners>i dont but you can use linode backup system
19:31<Peng>Which is kind of like having all of your eggs inside two baskets inside one bigger basket.
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19:31<Lee>huh?
19:32<Zimsky>Lee: you take all kinds of risks with any setup. There are no guarantees in life. I've personally never heard of anyone having data loss or arbitrary vm death with linode
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19:33<Zimsky>but there's always the chance some disgruntled employee melts the servers with thermite
19:34<Zimsky>so back ups on a different provider in a different datacenter (and maybe a different country if you're that type) aren't such a bad idea
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19:51<Lee>how do we check the status of the physical machine our node is sitting on?
19:51<Lee>CPU, network, etc...
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19:52<internat>define "check the status"
19:52<internat>you can see in the linode dashboard, if the load is heavy
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19:54<Lee>that looks like stats for the individual vms
19:54<Lee>Physical machine
19:55<Lee>CPU % of the aluminum box with the spinning hard drives and loud fans blowing
19:55<Zimsky>you don't
19:55<internat>the load it refers to is host load
19:55<internat>atleast it was
19:56<Zimsky>because even if you did have all the metrics of the physical box, it would be useless because you can't do anything about it
19:56<internat>oh i lie. it doesnt show the host status anymore
19:57<internat>but even still. same as zimsky said..
19:58<Zimsky>imagine if they did show that - linode would receive ticket after ticket after ticket every day about "THE CPU LOAD IS KINDA HIGH ON THE BOX, IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG?????"
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19:58<Zimsky>"no, there's nothing wrong, that's how a vm host works"
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20:01<@mcintosh>Lee: the drives are SSD actually, not spinning disks
20:02<Zimsky>what if the ssd wants to spin
20:02<internat>then it needs to grow up
20:02<@mcintosh>^^
20:02<Zimsky>to feel what its ancestors felt
20:02<Zimsky>SSDs WANT TO FEEL ALIVE TOO
20:04<staticsafe>lol
20:04<internat>thats cute. now get back to your solid media
20:05<staticsafe>yeah that load indicator for the host node in the Linode Manager never actually made any sense
20:05<staticsafe>because there isn't context for what high or low meant
20:06<Zimsky>I store all my data in DNA
20:06<internat>and how do you back that up?
20:06<Lee>Macintosh?
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20:06<Zimsky>internat: to RNA
20:06<Zimsky>obviously.
20:06<internat>cause attempting to replicate it, would lose 50%
20:07<Zimsky>why?
20:07<Lee><>
20:07<internat>am i wrong? dont you only end up with half the genitic material from each of your parents
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20:08<dwfreed>that's meiosis
20:08<dwfreed>mitosis is 100% replication
20:08<Zimsky>internat: I'm speaking purely in terms of molecular biology
20:08<Peng>Zimsky: Because of the implementation, the load went down when they switched to Xen, and up again when they switched to KVM...
20:08<Zimsky>not human means
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20:32<Lee>new guy here, I noticed that the swap partition choices are small such as up to 512MB
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20:36<internat>sounds about right
20:37<Peng>No one can stop you from making a 20 GB swap file
20:38<internat>but your machine will probably die if you use it
20:39<Peng>Challenge accepted?
20:39<Peng>How big can a block storage volume be again?
20:40<@jleal>1TB iirc
20:41<@jleal>block storage++ :>
20:41<Woet>google gave me 2 PB
20:41<Woet>beat that
20:41<Peng>Now, does Linux support a 1 TB swap device?
20:41<@jleal>Woet: challenge accepted ;)
20:41<Peng>How fast is mkswap...?
20:41<Woet>Peng: about 7 fasts
20:41<@jleal>hah
20:41<Peng>Woet: Huh! FreeBSD is at least 8
20:42<Zimsky>Woet: NSA gave me 6 EB
20:45<Lee>you guys are getting carried away now
20:45<Lee>The choices are up to 512MB
20:45<Lee>oh boy
20:46<Lee>Next question: is there a common sql database server for everyone to use? Or do you run your own?
20:47<@jleal>MariaDB seems pretty hot for a MySQL drop-in replacement, PostgreSQL is always a beautiful thing, but i've got a warm spot in my heart for Percona and its toolbox
20:47<@jleal>its all about what youre looking to get out of youre architecture
20:48<@jleal>https://www.percona.com/ #shamelessplug
20:48<Lee>what i mean is wouldn't it be more efficient to have a single database server instead of running hundreds of instances of database servers
20:49<Peng>Maybe, but then everyone would have to agree on how to run it. And who would run it.
20:49<Lee>so is there a common database server accesable at IP 12.34.56.78 for everyone to connect to?
20:49<Peng>No.
20:50<Lee>is Peng a staff member?
20:50<Cromulent>!ops
20:50<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
20:51<@jleal>he's part of the ever so helpful community, however he is correct about a Linode branded offering for a database solution - not that its out of the realm of possibility, its just that theres not something to that effect in our current offerings
20:52<@jleal>The Linode community is love ^____^
20:52<linbot>Peng is VIP <3
20:52<@jleal>:>
20:53<Lee>what are the working hours of the staff?
20:53<@jleal>We have staff on hand 24/7
20:54<tmberg>!voice
20:55<tmberg>:)
20:58<Lee>Wow jleal. They have you tied up to a chair with a cat 6?
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20:59<@mcintosh>it's cat 5, i'm cheap
20:59<@jleal>hah, dont need to, I'd do this even if I wasn't paid to ;)
21:00<Lee>I'm glad at least one of you is tied up. I'll make sure they force you to sit there and listen to country music
21:01<@mcintosh>you monster...
21:01<@jleal>bahahaha
21:03<FluffyFoxeh>I wouldn't really want my database on the same instance as everyone else's databases
21:03<@jleal>even if you got HA and sharding for free?
21:03<Peng>FluffyFoxeh: Not a fan of shared web hosting circa 2007?
21:03<FluffyFoxeh>Peng: no
21:03<FluffyFoxeh>:p
21:03<FluffyFoxeh>jleal: my databases are small enough that I don't know what that is
21:03<Zimsky>use montigny's hosting service
21:04<Zimsky>"100% secure and protected by SSL"
21:04<Zimsky>and fail2ban.
21:04<@jleal>I suppose thats fair, though you could live in that state while still being afforded its luxuries :)
21:04<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: I shudder at the thought of the haphazard heap of bad scripts we helped him write behind it
21:05<Zimsky>it's not like we gave him the gun
21:06<FluffyFoxeh>no we just told him what not to do with it but I get the sense he didn't understand
21:06<Zimsky>it's more like, he found the gun and we told him "you should probably throw it away somewhere and not use it"
21:06<Zimsky>well no, he didn't really
21:07<Zimsky>multiple mentions of "don't use vsftpd, just use sftp", "don't fuck around with permissions and nested stuff, it won't work"
21:07<Zimsky>then at the end he says "so vsftpd is not the best tool for this job?"
21:07<Zimsky>ಠ_ಠ
21:09<FluffyFoxeh>vsftpd is fine as far as FTP goes (the use of FTP itself may be debateable but it's not patently ridiculous). and the directory structure he proposed could be whipped into functioning correctly.
21:09<FluffyFoxeh>these statements only hold if one knows what they're doing, however
21:10<Zimsky><Zimsky> more than likely, this setup will actually cause more trouble in the long run if you are trying to nest things like that in conjunction with a limited understanding of filesystem permissions and ownership
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21:10<Lee>this is one of the few places who recognise slackware
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21:19<@jleal>Slackware has a really interesting ecosystem, it was one of my first distributions and I still remember it fondly
21:21*_Cyclone_ recalls "cutting his teeth" on Slackware... first Linux distro
21:21*_Cyclone_ at least first production experience
21:24<Lee>slack is not the first distro. its the 3rd.
21:24<Lee>the first 2 are gone.
21:24<Lee>remember SLS?
21:25<Lee>its slowing down along with Patrick Vokerding
21:25<Lee>I think I saw him in person. scarey looking person
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21:45<Lee>huh? no ifconfig in debian 9?
21:46<@jleal>use "ip", ifconfig was deprecated long ago :)
21:46<_Cyclone_>man ip
21:46<Lee>( showing my age )
21:47<dwfreed>'ip address show' 'ip addr show' 'ip a' (all 3 are equivalent)
21:47<dwfreed>I tend to do the middle one
21:47<@jleal>'ip a' for lyfe
21:48<zifnab>moral dillema
21:48<zifnab>i ordered tickets for pax. they were 'lost in transit' due to the post office's failure to forward them
21:48<zifnab>they reshipped with UPS, the new ones should be here monday
21:48<zifnab>the old ones just showed up
21:48<Lee>uh bombed with new stuff
21:48<zifnab>meaning, when i get the new ones i should return the old ones?
21:48<_Cyclone_>my _first_ distro was Yggdrasil Linux
21:48<zifnab>(they're badges, they lack rfid afaik or any way to tell who they belong to)
21:48<dwfreed>zifnab: ask the con what they want you to do
21:48<zifnab>but, i shouldn't just resell them
21:48<zifnab>right
21:48<zifnab>thats wrong
21:49<Lee>what are the local IPs for? I see we get a static public IP.
21:49<dwfreed>yeah, reselling would be wrong
21:49<zifnab>k
21:49<zifnab>thats what i wanted to make sure of :P
21:49<zifnab>i'll wait til monday when the new ones show up, then email them
21:49<dwfreed>Lee: talking between nodes in the same DC without using your transfer
21:49<dwfreed>(you could also use IPv6 for this)
21:50<zifnab>that has always confused me
21:50<zifnab>if i were to set up a monstrosity i'd monitor bandwidth of the interface at the exit of the network
21:50<zifnab>not at the instance level
21:50<zifnab>(pretty much - what i assume happens already for v6)
21:51<dwfreed>zifnab: it's actually easier to account bandwidth at the client edge than the upstream edge
21:51<dwfreed>especially when you need to associate that accounting with a particular user
21:51<Peng>Also what if a ninja breaks into the data center, plugs into a switch, and sends gigs of traffic spoofing zifnab's IP
21:52<Lee>more than 20 years ago we were told to hurry up because they're going to phase out IPv4 so we better get with IPv6.
21:53<Lee>so finally I get my first IPv6. So I get an IPv6 address. Does that mean I can ssh to my vm via IPv6? And how?
21:53<dwfreed>ssh attempts IPv6 first by default
21:53<dwfreed>as do most sanely written UNIX programs
21:53<Lee>so I whipp out my putty...now what?
21:54<dwfreed>I think putty will also try v6 first
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21:54<dwfreed>assuming the name you use has AAAA records
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21:54<dwfreed>you can force it to v6 in one of the settings pages
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21:57<Zimsky>ideally, the program will also have flags to force v4 or v6
21:57<Peng>It's sad that that's a necessary feature
21:57<dwfreed>(the convention being -4 and -6, respectively)
21:57<dwfreed>Peng: indeed
21:57*Peng used "ssh -4" the other day due to a local IPv6 outage
21:58<Zimsky>had cases of dodgy ipv6 setups and the program defaults to ipv6 first and provides no way to force v4
21:58<Lee>so I > ip a, and I got a list of IPs. I copy where it says inet6 254:3434:3434:3434:34 and paste it to putty...nothing happens. no connection
21:58<Zimsky>had to socat that
21:58<Peng>Luckily nothing ever goes wrong with IPv6 and "apt-get update"
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21:58<Peng>Lee: Do you have IPv6 connectivity at home?
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21:58<Zimsky>peng, is that sarcasm
21:58<Peng>Lee: Did you copy and paste the correct IP?
21:59<dwfreed>(you don't want the one that starts with fe80)
21:59<Peng>Lee: Is IPv6 working on the server? Is it working on the client?
21:59<Lee>I have no idea if my home connection is IPv6 or not
21:59<Zimsky>does it start with a 2?
21:59<Peng>heh
22:00<Peng>Lee: You should find out
22:00<dwfreed>http://test-ipv6.com/
22:00<Lee>actually, I think my phone has IPv6
22:00<Peng>Yeah, they often do, due to the IPv4 shortage.
22:01<dwfreed>most wireless providers are running native v6 and NATed v4
22:01<dwfreed>T-Mobile, in particular, runs 464XLAT on devices capable of it
22:02<dwfreed>(which is an interesting protocol; it's not a tunnel, but a kind of NAT from v4 to v6, then back to v4)
22:03<Lee>so should I try ssh over ipv6 on my phone?
22:03<dwfreed>you could
22:05<Lee>ok looks like I have no idea how to do that either...
22:05<zifnab>Android use juicessh
22:05<zifnab>iOS use shelly
22:05<zifnab>I finally have ipv6 at home. I should probably firewall it though, everything's just open to the internet...
22:06<zifnab>Somehow my build server got in a list of things to ddos
22:06<zifnab>(lots of v6 ssh attempts)
22:06<zifnab>I assume Jenkins publishes v6 addresses if they're available
22:10<Lee>failed to ssh over ipv6 with juicessh
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22:12<Peng>What did you try to SSH to
22:12<Peng>What was the error message
22:13<Peng>Does the server work with other clients? Does the client work with other servers?
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22:18<Lee>yes I can ping my vm over ipv6 on my phone
22:18<Lee>that is: yes!!!!
22:20<Lee>OK still cant juicessh to an IPV6 address
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22:41<Lee>holy! You guys have a phone app!
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22:42<Lee>oh the phone app was abandoned
22:43<FluffyFoxeh>it wasn't official whatever it was
22:44<Lee>what do you use to ssh over ipv6 over a phone?
22:46<zifnab>depends on the phone
22:46<zifnab>i said that already - juicessh on android, shelly on ios
22:46<Lee>i tried juicessh didnt work
22:46<Lee>and yes i did google it
22:46<zifnab>then you've done something wrong, or your phone doesn't actually have ipv6 (is it on wifi?)
22:47<Zimsky>"I tried it and it didn't work" - every support ticket ever
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22:47<Lee>no i did your suggested test-ipv6.com
22:47<FluffyFoxeh>I tried Zimsky and it didn't work
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22:47<Zimsky>not for you
22:47<Lee>phone was able to ping the ipv6 address
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22:48<zifnab>you could also just `lsof -i` as root on your server and it'd tell you
22:48<Zimsky>$ host test-ipv6.com
22:48<Zimsky>test-ipv6.com has address 150.101.217.194
22:48<Zimsky>test-ipv6.com has address 130.194.20.194
22:48<Zimsky>and no ipv6 addresses
22:48<zifnab>Zimsky: thats on purpose
22:48<Zimsky>you're on purpose
22:48<Zimsky>keep up the good work buddy!
22:48<zifnab>it calls out to an ipv6 endpoint with javascript to test shit
22:48<Lee>I tried your suggested test-ipv6.com on my phone's web browser and it passed the test
22:49<zifnab>i need to enable an ipv6 firewall again
22:49<Lee>I used pingtools on my phone and it was able to ping the vm's ipv6 address
22:49<FluffyFoxeh>perhaps try lsof like Zimsky said
22:49<FluffyFoxeh>on the server, to see if sshd is listening on v6
22:49<Zimsky>yeah
22:49<Zimsky>I definitely said that
22:49<FluffyFoxeh>oh shit
22:49<Zimsky>no shit
22:49<FluffyFoxeh>zifnab said it oops
22:50<Zimsky>to the stockade
22:50<FluffyFoxeh>funny, I typed zifnab first and corrected it
22:50<Zimsky>zifnab and I are the same person
22:50<FluffyFoxeh>corrected it incorrectly
22:50<FluffyFoxeh>I knew it
22:50<Zimsky>it's been established on numerous occasions
22:50<Lee>how do you check if sshd is listening?
22:50<FluffyFoxeh>My IRC client even knows it. You're the same colour
22:51<Zimsky>lsof -i -n | grep -i listen
22:52<Zimsky>I'm doing this on bsd though
22:52<Lee>sshd 3563 root 3u IPv4 14083 0t0 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) sshd 3563 root 4u IPv6 14092 0t0 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN)
22:52<FluffyFoxeh>bsd hipster
22:52<FluffyFoxeh>so that looks good
22:53<Lee>so what do I do on juice ssh? normally I type in the ipv4 address
22:53<Lee>there's no mention of ipv6 in juicessh
22:53<FluffyFoxeh>um
22:53<Lee>again, google search finds nothing
22:53<Lee>( of use)
22:53<FluffyFoxeh>if you type in the IPv4 address you will get IPv4
22:53<Lee>right.
22:54<Lee>so where do i put the ipv6?
22:54<FluffyFoxeh>Type in a domain name with an AAAA record that points to the correct address, or type in the IPv6 address in the same field
22:54<Lee>replacing the ipv4 address with the really long ipv6 address gets me nowhere
22:54<FluffyFoxeh>I imagine you put it in the same place you put the IPv4 address
22:54<FluffyFoxeh>What do you mean it gets you nowhere?
22:55<Lee>wont connect in zero seconds flat. that means it didn't even try
22:55<FluffyFoxeh>Is there an error message?
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22:55<Peng>It's easier to use DNS than copying and pasting IP addresses like it's 1967
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22:55<Zimsky>FreeBSD, Fifty Shades of X display.
22:56<Zimsky>peng, 1949*
22:56<FluffyFoxeh>1404*
22:56<Zimsky>ip addresses became obsolete in 1950
22:56<FluffyFoxeh>BC
22:56<Zimsky>British Columbia?
22:57<FluffyFoxeh>yes
22:57<zifnab>ipv6 firewall enabled
22:57*zifnab cheers
22:57*FluffyFoxeh leers
22:57*Zimsky sniggers
22:57<zifnab>i was getting stupid rdp shit to my desktop
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22:57<zifnab>wish i knew why
22:57<Lee>I'm a new user just signed up a few hours ago. I didn't setup andy firewall.....
22:57<zifnab>so, erm, how stable are slaac addresses
22:57<Zimsky>very stable
22:57<Zimsky>if you make them stable
22:57<FluffyFoxeh>I think they're based on the Mac address
22:57<Zimsky>otherwise not stable
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22:58<zifnab>fair point. i should get this monitored at some point and see what happens
22:58<FluffyFoxeh>But I dunno if that's just a common implementation or actually mandated by the standard
22:59<Zimsky>zifnab: what are you trying to achieve
23:00<Zimsky>some SLAAC implementations will use temp addresses to avoid tracking
23:00<Zimsky>since it's literally your interface address encoded into the ipv6 address
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23:09<ztr>Hi, I have a question about Arch Linux...
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23:10<ztr>Is anyone using it on Linode?
23:10<millisa>yep
23:10<millisa>arch 2017.07.01 is one of the current supported distributions
23:10<ztr>Hi Millisa, my question is, is there any need to worry about Arch auto-upgrading some configuration file that borks a web server?
23:11<ztr>I've heard a couple of people use that as a reason why they aren't using Arch, but seems like there's probably a way to prevent upgrades from breaking things...
23:11<millisa>i'm not sure that isn't a concern for every packaged distribution
23:13<ztr>I like the idea of a "rolling release" because then I get newer software and hopefully don't have to start over from scratch to get to the next major version...
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23:15<ztr>Like with CentOS, last year I think I tried version 7 but the new file system gave me problems. I'm starting to use Manjaro at home and thinking I should just switch from CentOS to Arch, but just asking around before I waste a lot of time on a project that I'll end up regretting.
23:16<ztr>@millisa are you using Apache or Nginx?
23:16<millisa>yes.
23:17<millisa>(and for the most part I'm using centos7 systems for both)
23:17<ztr>Excuse the dumb question, but does it auto-upgrade by default or do I manually approve the upgrades? Or do I have to initiate them somehow?
23:17<millisa>for arch? no idea.
23:19<ztr>I guesss I should just try it and see what happens. The only think I'm really concerned about is my nginx config being overwitten at 4am, but that wouldn't be such a major disaster really...
23:19<millisa>backups are your friend.
23:20<millisa>tested restores are your *best* friend.
23:20<ztr>DId you find the transition from CentOS 6 to 7 to be a pain?
23:22<ztr>Thanks for listening. You helped me think through it, hehe.
23:22<millisa>centos6-7 - the biggest pain was learning how to use systemd/firewalld. other than that; not much was that different really
23:22<@mcintosh>ztr: arch upgrades are initiated by running a "pacman" command
23:23<@mcintosh>they are not automatic (unless you configure such a setup)
23:23<millisa>!point mcintosh
23:23<linbot>millisa: Point given to mcintosh. (12)
23:23<@mcintosh>generally config overrides upon package upgrades require user confirmation (for all the package managers I know, at least)
23:25<ztr>OK, that makes sense.
23:27<ztr>I wonder how often people upgrade everything with Pacman. Like monthly, yearly?
23:27<ztr>Like on Manjaro I probably upgrade once or twice a month, but a web server I probably wouldn't bother with it more than twice a year.
23:27<millisa>for most my customers we end up doing a monthly scheduled maintenance on the weekend that comes after MS's patch tuesday (I'm up doing awful MS updates then anyways)
23:28<millisa>it usually works out alright once the customer gets used to it, and they don't squirm much when you find something that needs to be applied immediately/outofband
23:30<ztr>Alright thanks. I'm at Starbucks and think they're getting ready to kick me out soon, hehe.
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23:42<Lee>what about debian? is it roling release? kindof
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